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March 24, 2021, 03:52:16 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
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March 24, 2021, 04:46:16 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

There are many stores in the world that accept Bitcoin, France, Italy, Spain and there are many stores that you can buy with Bitcoin, although Bitcoin is now quite famous as a speculative action, it has a lot of weight for investors worldwide, such as Elon Musk, Paypal, Microestrategy, among others.
 
In countries with rampant inflation it is much better than gold, some gold investors have passed everything to BItcoin, the son of the controversial Peter Schiff has already done so, there are some statements from the president of the FED that it is likely that gold can be substituted for Bitcoin due to its high speculative power, but not as a safe haven due to its high volatility and lack of support.

When observing all these eventualities and taking into account that we are still in a pandemic and even so, Bitcoin has had new ATHs, it is only a matter of time before they begin to implement the payment of goods and services through Bitcoin on a world level, adoption is a fact.

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March 24, 2021, 06:09:52 PM
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It was advertised as a perfect currency to replace fiat, but it turned into a store of value more than anything. Now with institutional investors pumping billions in it, most people think they're here to stay.. making it even clearer thar it's turning into a long-term safe haven rather than a speculative asset.
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March 24, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
All the mentioned question's already answered. I want to mention here that day by day the value of Bitcoin will increase definitely because of getting modern. People are enjoying cashless society. To establish it, we need to think of converting fiat to digital currency or we need to store fiat to digital wallet. Basically, people are not willingly interested to give extra money for it, if you store your finds using crypto, you won't be charged for it. So it is easy for you to store and use. After passing the $60k marks, we may see another ATH by it very shortly.

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March 24, 2021, 06:55:31 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

even though there are products that can be bought with bitcoin, I don't think it means we are wasting this opportunity, just because these products can be bought with bitcoin. still I will think twice. besides the growth of bitcoin, which is increasing day by day, it would not be a thought if the money in your pocket can still buy it.
I will keep bitcoin for the future. although I am interested in a particular product, it is not possible to exchange it for a future asset such as bitcoin.

In other words, I would rather not buy a product that I like, rather than having to get rid of bitcoins just for the sake of things that will be useless. while bitcoin will be increasingly rare and valuable.

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March 24, 2021, 07:40:13 PM
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You can expect BTC's price to literally sky rocket with countries like the US spending record amounts of money.

It's rumored that Joe Biden is releasing a 2-3 TRILLION dollar "infrastructure" plan on top of the 1.9 trillion dollar spending bill already proposed. The USD will crash within everyone's life time, because it will happen soon. This sort of spending for the world's largest economy by GDP is not sustainable, so it isn't unreasonable to think 60k is just the beginning because you have to understand...for every bill printed, you are borrowing the money to pay back at a later time plus inflation.

60k will seem like child's play.
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March 24, 2021, 08:04:16 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?  
It is a speculative asset.

or it is really useful in our daily life?  
It is.

What product can we buy by using bitcoin only
Everything. Online services, goods and even tangible products where the merchant accepts bitcoin payments.

how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
Yes, it's a huge number. I'll give a perfect example, Tesla.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/24/elon-musk-says-people-can-now-buy-a-tesla-with-bitcoin.html

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March 24, 2021, 10:03:37 PM
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Bitcoin being one of few "inflation protected assets" on the market translates to it being a sought after investment in eras where fiat devaluation and high inflation are concerns. This is the traditional view which says gold, silver and precious metals should be valued far higher than current market prices. To project an accurate estimate of future inflation protected assets, one must first explain current market value of gold/silver. Most prefer to avoid attempting to explain current precious metal prices and want to believe market movements are complete random things. Many revert to MMT modern monetary theory, new age ideology, which says american fiat can never truly devalue or hyperinflate as it is backed by the might of the US military, rather than acknowledge there might be an issue with economic policy.

I think its safe to say bitcoin's future will be a struggle between those who believe inflation protected assets are a safe and reliable store of wealth. And those demographics who prefer everyone hoard their wealth in fiat, bank accounts or something else. The outcome of said struggle will determine the future of everything.
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March 24, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
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After Bitcoin reached $60k, in fact, the role will have always another market correction. And like what happens right now, Bitcoin has touched the low resistant barrier, and now it is US$52.578,31. if the bear trend of Bitcoin is still ongoing and continuing, probably it can drop to $50. However, I personally really hope that the drop condition will end soon and Bitcoin will be increasing again and also the price will touch another ATH. But, maybe it needs to be sideway in order to give chances to altcoins to have their altcoins seasons.

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March 24, 2021, 11:36:29 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?  
It is a speculative asset.

or it is really useful in our daily life?  
It is.

What product can we buy by using bitcoin only
Everything. Online services, goods and even tangible products where the merchant accepts bitcoin payments.

how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
Yes, it's a huge number. I'll give a perfect example, Tesla.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/24/elon-musk-says-people-can-now-buy-a-tesla-with-bitcoin.html

and if the OP cant find any merchant nearby accepting bitcoin, why not convert his BTC to his fiat, and use that money instead? am not seeing any prob here when it comes to finding shops or merchants accepting bitcoin. because you can always convert it to your fiat. dont be hard on yourself. remember, it is easy to find fiat rather than accumulate BTC.
and definitely, whats next for 60k? 70k and so on...the adoption today is way different than in the previous years.

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For now there really isn't a lot of real life uses for bitcoin like daily transactions but I think that it will change overtime because bitcoin adoption is steadily growing and with Tesla's announcement that you can buy a car from them using bitcoin, it only helped spur a new movement that is definitely going to influence other car companies or other companies to integrate a bitcoin payment system in their existing payment system.

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March 25, 2021, 06:02:33 AM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

I will be okay if bitcoin is for speculation of making money because as long as we can make money from bitcoin, we should accept it. We can use bitcoin in our daily life, such as buying something in real life. But until that time comes, we should be happy to earn more bitcoin from now on, so when that time comes, we are ready to use bitcoin to buy what we want in real life.

Perhaps, right now, you can only use bitcoin to buy something on the internet, but I believe that we will be able to use bitcoin to buy something in local stores in the future. We already see in some countries that people can buy their daily needs in a local store to happen in many countries in the future. But I do not know how many merchants already accept bitcoin as I don't use bitcoin to buy a product in real life or on the internet. I prefer to buy low and sell high of bitcoin and accumulate more bitcoin before the price jump to the high price.
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March 25, 2021, 10:21:43 AM
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Bitcoin is mainly a currency but mostly treated as an asset. That's why some merchants are accepting Bitcoin now and there's a huge selection of them because there's actually people willing to pay in BTC. Though there are some who use Bitcoin for their daily life, a huge majority of the population still can't make it feasible due to the fact that the fees aren't as cheap as paying with physical fiat (which is free), but Bitcoin is getting there.
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March 25, 2021, 10:46:23 AM
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Did a quick lookup, and according to what I found, there are over 15k merchants that accept Bitcoin as payments, 2k of them are at the US. Now I don't know for sure if I should use this as a reference, but I tried looking up the number of online retailers in the entire world and found there were 7.9m around the globe, and 2.1m in the US, and that's only the online ones (I'm not really sure if the online/offline ones are counted as one). Just from that, the amount that accepts Bitcoin is pretty small, but hey, we're only a decade old and we could only go up from where we are atm. Plus, once the issues of fees and speed are fixed (Only fix I know as of late is the Lightning network) I'm guessing more would adopt it as a mode of payment.

https://www.fundera.com/resources/how-many-businesses-accept-bitcoin
https://www.etailinsights.com/online-retailer-market-size

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March 25, 2021, 10:55:39 AM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?
Who are you asking? You should consider it as whatever you want it to be! If you find it useful then no, it isn't for speculation only. If you're an experienced trader that makes these suitcases loaded with dollar bills, then it's for speculation only. If you want to hold them for the next century, then it's a store of value. Whether you see it as a medium of exchange, a short-term investment or a store of value, it'll be useful to you.

What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...
Well, if you google "what can I buy with bitcoin" you will find some results, that aren't many to be honest. But, in reality they are. What do I mean:  Even if amazon doesn't accept bitcoin, there may be a group of people that sell amazon coupons with bitcoin and thus you can buy amazon stuff with bitcoin.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

Too many questions, obviously a newbie questions.
Bitcoin could be useful in your daily life just like how fiat could be useful in your daily life. Day by day merchants, services, and entertainments are gradually accepting Bitcoin. So, the mass adoption are slowly taking over.
Just look at how Bitcoin has priced today. By just looking at it, you can already tell how huge the number of people, company, and institutions are owning Bitcoin.
And, everybody thinks the way I think because you're in a Bitcoin forum.

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March 25, 2021, 12:46:30 PM
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Well, if Amazon starts to accept crypto then that leads the life way to puchase anything that's available online using crypto Grin , PayPal has been quite positively vocal about crypto and added it to their system, if people can use crypto when paying with PayPal, then also that will make lots of room to purchase online. I think there needs to be an intermediary and we may not be able to find any shop that accepts direct crypto from users without need for converting it to fiat, because the shop owner would also need fiat for his own family to buy groceries etc.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

It will be another success, though regulations and stuffs might be coming on bitcoin again. Or another hindrance would pop up stacking it's price or maybe falling down. What's sure is that even though hard times comes let's be strong and add more bitcoins to our bags. Sleep again and maybe wait for another 3 years again.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

1. Bitcoin isn't for speculation only. Maybe we can't see the full potential of bitcoin now but bitcoin was made to be a currency just like the Us Dollar and every other currency you might think off. It was made to spent and used for day to day transactions. However, due to the volatility of bitcoin, it is very difficult for this to happen.
2. Yes, It is really useful in our daily lives. Maybe the local stores that you have around you don't accept bitcoin but there are major companies that accept bitcoin for their services and products. Here is a link that talks about those companies
https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/who-accepts/

I do think that it is only a matter of time that bitcoin becomes the worldwide currency and is being used and accepted by every merchant.

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March 25, 2021, 04:13:30 PM
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price doesn't change the bitcoin's true purpose, when it was worth $0 and when it will be worth $10million it still the same currency that Satoshi Nakamoto created. for example when it was worth literary nothing someone paid 10000 of it for 2 pizzas which is now known as the first bitcoin purchase in history.
this trend has only grown with the price too. meaning as the price goes higher more people are spending bitcoin. you can even get paid in bitcoin as your salary or part of it.
and of course some people will see this rise and only invest in bitcoin as an asset to make profit but that won't change bitcoin as a currency.

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price doesn't change the bitcoin's true purpose, when it was worth $0 and when it will be worth $10million it still the same currency that Satoshi Nakamoto created. for example when it was worth literary nothing someone paid 10000 of it for 2 pizzas which is now known as the first bitcoin purchase in history.
this trend has only grown with the price too. meaning as the price goes higher more people are spending bitcoin. you can even get paid in bitcoin as your salary or part of it.
and of course some people will see this rise and only invest in bitcoin as an asset to make profit but that won't change bitcoin as a currency.
Bitcoin will always be a currency because it is originally designed for it even if nowadays its more of an asset or a good store of value. Now what's next for bitcoin? I honestly think that $100k is very possible for bitcoin at the end of the year. Or it may even surpass it and end up with a new ATH. So having bitcoin as a global currency in the future is now close to reality since institutional investors keep pumping its price untill all big establishments start to accept bitcoin.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

1. Bitcoin isn't for speculation only. Maybe we can't see the full potential of bitcoin now but bitcoin was made to be a currency just like the Us Dollar and every other currency you might think off. It was made to spent and used for day to day transactions. However, due to the volatility of bitcoin, it is very difficult for this to happen.
2. Yes, It is really useful in our daily lives. Maybe the local stores that you have around you don't accept bitcoin but there are major companies that accept bitcoin for their services and products. Here is a link that talks about those companies
https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/who-accepts/

I do think that it is only a matter of time that bitcoin becomes the worldwide currency and is being used and accepted by every merchant.

From how Bitcoin growth and become popular, only a matter of time and it surely be accepted all over the world, there
are many institutional investors and businesses who catered Bitcoin.

From that view point we can assume that in coming years Bitcoin will serve it's purpose, being used for transacting
beyond borders for much quicker and safer process.

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March 25, 2021, 04:36:38 PM
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BTC is primarily viewed as a speculation asset currently which is why it is primarily useful as an asset to majority of the investors.

Anyone saying that BTC has achieved global adoption because of the rising prices are lying to themselves. The truth is that popular cryptocurrencies like BTC, ETH, LTC etc are being accepted by more and more merchants with time.

However, the number of customers actually utilising BTC and other popular cryptocurrencies as payment methods are low currently. This number will probably increase with time.

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March 25, 2021, 05:41:52 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
To be honest there are many store actually accepting bitcoin as a payment well if you really want to build an store then you can accept bitcoin as a payment too here in my country most of restaurant are accepting bitcoin nowadays because most of people are using bitcoin and now openly good for the government and one of the senator in my country already created an alternative coin where he can say that if this coin are into the market and earn more than it's invested he actually donated it into the poor people. But most of them are into bitcoin industry already.
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and if the OP cant find any merchant nearby accepting bitcoin, why not convert his BTC to his fiat, and use that money instead? am not seeing any prob here when it comes to finding shops or merchants accepting bitcoin. because you can always convert it to your fiat. dont be hard on yourself. remember, it is easy to find fiat rather than accumulate BTC.
and definitely, whats next for 60k? 70k and so on...the adoption today is way different than in the previous years.
Yes, converting that to cash to purchase things that he wants.

But his question lies about the direct usage of bitcoin and that's what most of us do when we're going to have it use whenever that advise isn't applicable to us.

That's the choice that he can do but I don't think that answer will satisfy him.

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Sure there are ways to use your BTC as a currency in different shops. There are some cafes even in my town that gives the opportunity to buy there tea/coffee/some treats and snacks in crypto. One of ways to spend BTC is to register on SpectroCoin: https://spectrocoin.com/en/signup and after several simple manipulations to buy there Amazon Gift Card by BTC that will enable you to buy goods on Amason using it. Another question is in readiness of people to spend their profitable cryptocoins on purchases.



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March 26, 2021, 05:08:37 AM
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Bitcoin could be useful in your daily life just like how fiat could be useful in your daily life. Day by day merchants, services, and entertainments are gradually accepting Bitcoin. So, the mass adoption are slowly taking over.
Just look at how Bitcoin has priced today. By just looking at it, you can already tell how huge the number of people, company, and institutions are owning Bitcoin.
And, everybody thinks the way I think because you're in a Bitcoin forum.
I do not think that we need to wait that long neither. There are places where people could actually end up with a decent card that is tied to an exchange or another place like that, which would allow you to use that debit card to spend anywhere you go. That is a thing today, even on merchants that do not accept bitcoin payments, your card will allow you to keep bitcoin on your account, and wherever you go you will be able to spend it from your debit card, you will be losing bitcoins while the merchant will be getting fiat, that is a great innovation that's getting more famous.

There is noting that we should be worried about on mass adoption, as long as this method gets more and more famous, that would be more than enough for me, I would be able to spend my crypto anywhere we go, that is why there is nothing about merchants accepting bitcoin that would change things if this debit card thing gets more famous.

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Sure there are ways to use your BTC as a currency in different shops. There are some cafes even in my town that gives the opportunity to buy there tea/coffee/some treats and snacks in crypto. One of ways to spend BTC is to register on SpectroCoin: https://spectrocoin.com/en/signup and after several simple manipulations to buy there Amazon Gift Card by BTC that will enable you to buy goods on Amason using it. Another question is in readiness of people to spend their profitable cryptocoins on purchases.
I envy your country or wherever you are because that means that there is a progress happening there, in my country there is close to no businesses that are doing this kind of stuff because A.) They do not want to integrate it because they are scared of what they don't know or B.) They do not know about it all, with B being the most frustrating of the two because businesses in A can be persuaded. Maybe what is next for bitcoin after reaching the 60k mark is it will try to break the 70k and 80k as usual.

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I think that BTC already has some use cases in our world today because most companies are already expanding their services for crypto also. Just like Tesla, when they announced that you can buy a tesla using BTC. It already has that use case scenario that might be not that great for others right now, but I feel that we still aren't discovering its full potential. Some others are saying that BTC will disrupt the bank but I think that isn't right. Instead of disrupting, I feel like BTC will actually help banks. The question I have in mind now is a little related to the title of your thread, what's next? I was thinking of publicly traded companies that are related to crypto. Will they also increase their value because of their connection to Crypto?
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I think that Bitcoin at the moment has a lot of potential, some are betting on the disproportionate fall, but I think that when it passes $ 60k it will rise greatly, some say it can reach $90k. And others are more optimistic as in this article:

Bitcoin can reach $400K in 2021 as 'risk-off reserve asset' — Bloomberg



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While McGlone did not provide exact details of the factors behind Bloomberg's view, the idea of Bitcoin reducing, rather than increasing portfolio risk is the talking point of the year among corporates. New reports of treasury allocations to BTC appear frequently, with appetite unfazed by price action.

Source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-can-reach-400k-in-2021-as-risk-off-reserve-asset-bloomberg

As it is merely speculative, this scenario may occur, although I think the analysis is very optimistic.

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I think as long as the price can continue to move at least it will still be useful but indeed, about how many merchants accept bitcoin it still depends on the policy of the government of each country. I'm sure if the government can fully legalize bitcoin then of course there will be plenty of merchants accepting bitcoin. Regarding usefulness or not it depends but what is clear, even though the price has gone down, there are still many who make transactions in it and this proves that bitcoin is still useful because if not, maybe bitcoin has become zero.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
The price movement is not over yet, and I believe that it still has a long way to go.The question is what happens after we have mined the last Bitcoin? But there wouldn’t be a need to talk about that since it is going to be a long time before we will see that happen.

So, to answer your main question which is what happens after this 60k dollars? Well, nothing much, we are still going to continue making use of Bitcoin the same way that we have been making use of it, for transactions and for a store of value, nothing really more than that. But, hitting 60k dollars does not put a limit to where the price can reach in the future, we still have a long way to go.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
Bitcoin is one of the most popular and potential coin in this time. Till now this coin is not accepted by all the government in the world. Some accept it and some don't show any interest. Hope in the future every government will accept it. We can buy some products where Bitcoin payment is accepted. This type of store or shop not much number. But day by day this number is increasing.
Bitcoin is the most potential coin and make huge hype in the present time. So its price will cross $60k, $70k or more than that.

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lol, your question coincided almost perfectly with tesla news that they are accepting Bitcoin for their cars.
This is huge and will make other retailers accept bitcoin as well, i think this answers your question.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
There's so many product in which you can use bitcoin in order to buy them just like for example Tesla cars, you can buy those by using bitcoin and it is already said by Elon Musk that they will accepting bitcoin as a payment another thing is that some online shops or even coffee shops, they are accepting bitcoin as a mode of payment in order to have some unique mode of payment. But to be honest as of now few stores are the ones who are accepting bitcoin but I believe that as time passes by the people will eventually accept and use bitcoin for their daily lives.



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As it is merely speculative, this scenario may occur, although I think the analysis is very optimistic.

Thats sounds really optimistic but the scenario might or might not occur. To be honest I dont expect to see bitcoins at 400k this year. By some tiny chance, we might pass the 100k mark ( obviously passing the 60k mark first ) but after that I'd expect there will be blood and it could be ugly especially for those who purchase bitcoins around that number

There's so many product in which you can use bitcoin in order to buy them just like for example Tesla cars, you can buy those by using bitcoin and it is already said by Elon Musk that they will accepting bitcoin as a payment another thing is that some online shops or even coffee shops

Only if you already have bitcoin. Otherwise it will be pointless to purchase bitcoins with your cash then purchase the goods while you can use your cash directly to purchase the goods

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The only thing happened after btc crossing 60k was that it falls back to 52k. With so much high price, network fee is also very high and it's not possible to buy any stuff for daily living using btc. I don't think current bull run will do any good for bitcoin in terms of payment system.

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You should check this if you want to know on which big merchant accepts btc on their stores or company Merchant who accept bitcoins


You can see there that the company adopted it is no joke so we can see more big thing since the potential of bitcoin grows up for more. And if you are doubting after bitcoin reach $60k and dump you can monitor how the flow going.

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The only thing happened after btc crossing 60k was that it falls back to 52k. With so much high price, network fee is also very high and it's not possible to buy any stuff for daily living using btc. I don't think current bull run will do any good for bitcoin in terms of payment system.
Bitcoin for daily living has not been a thing for a while now, I know that many people think that way but the reality is that we are not there anymore, which is why I think it is quite obvious that we should not be considering anything like that neither, we should be basically hoping for something that would be a good asset.

You do not buy and sell anything with gold neither, but people do buy gold and store it because it has value and we assume it will forever have value as well, this is why I think it is quite obvious bitcoin will have value as well even if we do not end up using it. That is not the only case neither, we are also talking about bitcoin having other altcoins, so if you are involved, you could use something other than bitcoin to move money around and it will be still cheap, there is no cheaper offer in the world, you could send from one nation to another nation with cents, that's awesome.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

I can assure you that it is really useful in our daily life based on my experience because compared to before I have now a little bit amount of money though I don't have any job yet. The thing is even without a job you could still earn money via trading Bitcoin, investing, and more. However, as much as possible having a job is still better. Regarding what we could buy using Bitcoin, everything whether it is online stuff or services as long as the merchant accepting Bitcoin. However, you could still buy whatever you want with bitcoin but you must convert it into fiat though. I would say Bitcoin adaptation is now getting bigger hence there must be a pretty decent number of merchants who already accepting Bitcoin as payment take Telsa for example.



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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

I believe that at the moment BTC is an asset with the ability to earn money, as well as with manipulative properties. Regarding the purchase of goods for BTC, despite everything, there are problems. For example, the transaction speed, although faster than in banks, is not sufficient to instantly pay for the goods. I'm talking about the BTC network right now. High commissions also make it impossible to buy simple goods for BTC, since the commission will cost many times more than the product itself. All this hinders the development of BTC in terms of accepting it as a means for settlements. When it comes to manipulation, BTC is good for this, and also good for transferring large amounts, but this is a privilege only for the rich. For us, BTC remains as an asset on which you can make money by buying it cheaper and selling it at a higher price.
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The current exchange rate, and the $ 60k mark, is just a number.
The first and main problem is that bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general are a purely speculative asset with "cool" volatility. This means that it is difficult to establish a more or less stable price in a cryptocurrency. Now bitcoin is conventionally $ 60, tomorrow - 70k, in a month - 30k dollars. How to form a price in a crypt and not incur losses? This is the beginning of problems. Further - a quarter later, the local financial service prohibits the circulation of the crypt, how will you balance the enterprise where some of the resources are purchased in different periods? And if at the current moment the rate has dropped by 2-5 times? And if you grew up?

If we talk about what will happen after 60k dollars? Nothing unusual ! Because crypto is a speculative asset, some growth is possible, for example, up to $ 100k, and then the 2018 scenario will repeat - the market will fall. Then again 2-3 years of the bottom and a mini rate rise, until the next pump of the market.

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Following the S2F model the Bitcoin price is on the right track and on its way to reach 100k within a reasonable amount of time. PayPal announcement today gave a huge boost to the market. I cannot wait to see more announcement like these as I am sure they are actually in the making!
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More crypto adoption and integration of course, something that is bigger and more widespread than the current one we have most likely, especially if bitcoin is to reach let's say 100k within this year. Since that seems very achievable now that we have witnessed what bitcoin can do in the past few months. Paypal announcement also gave a huge boost to the market so it is very likely that these aforementioned predictions are to be realized this year.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

I don't think people use bitcoin for speculation only. Bitcoins can be very useful as form of payment around the world. Trading above 60,000 USD is just another step in the growth of bitcoin. Analyst are predicting a bitcoin price above 100,000 USD by next year. Also, I wouldn't look at bitcoin with a fixed value of x Usd. If you can get a tesla for a Bitcoin, you will eventually get two after the next few halvings.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

I don't think people use bitcoin for speculation only. Bitcoins can be very useful as form of payment around the world. Trading above 60,000 USD is just another step in the growth of bitcoin. Analyst are predicting a bitcoin price above 100,000 USD by next year. Also, I wouldn't look at bitcoin with a fixed value of x Usd. If you can get a tesla for a Bitcoin, you will eventually get two after the next few halvings.

I think that most people use Bitcoin for speculation only, it's how traders earn! When it comes to using, people (like I for example) are turning to other alts, where transactions are faster, and more important transactions are cheaper!
Therefore this topic belongs more to the speculation section... what after $60k, we will start thinking about $70k and $80k... that will come one day, and now we can speculate about when?! And I guess we will see many optimistic comments, but at the same time there will be many pessimistic ones... as always I would say!

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March 31, 2021, 11:57:47 AM
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Are you really updated about cryptocurrencies? Of course it is useful on us, we can used it as a way of payment for online transactions like buying or selling something through social medias. And if you are not updated, there are lot of fastfood chains where they accepts crypto for their foods and there are also atm machines accepts cryptos. Btc hits its ath, but we hope that it will hit more than 100k usd this year.
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March 31, 2021, 12:30:34 PM
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Are you really updated about cryptocurrencies? Of course it is useful on us, we can used it as a way of payment for online transactions like buying or selling something through social medias. And if you are not updated, there are lot of fastfood chains where they accepts crypto for their foods and there are also atm machines accepts cryptos. Btc hits its ath, but we hope that it will hit more than 100k usd this year.

But there was no massive adoption yet, and the reason why bitcoin has pumped and make a new ATH was not that, it was the institutional investors risking their money in crypto and people followed and got FOMO.

Restaurants or any businesses are not all ready to accept bitcoin yet, just imagine what would happen to their business if they can't manage bitcoin's volatility, and the fees are high. It's not time yet, well, eventually with the help of a 3rd party software, we will be able to minimize the fees and prevent its volatility, but for now its' not fully adopted yet, one example is the LN.

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March 31, 2021, 01:37:11 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
I think you should conduct further research first before asking such questions. Obviously, bitcoin is not yet legal for most of the countries and there are very few merchant that accepts it as a mode of payment. Even after bitcoin surpasses the $60k present goal, I think most of the crypto investors would just expect it and want it to current high. Also, not everyone is aware of bitcoin's existence, maybe the number of those who've heard about it have grown since it made a huge noise during the pandemic but still, not everyone is knowledgeable about it. Bitcoin has a lot of use, not only for us people but also for the whole crypto world since it is the most powerful and most famous.
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March 31, 2021, 05:41:36 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
I think you should conduct further research first before asking such questions. Obviously, bitcoin is not yet legal for most of the countries and there are very few merchant that accepts it as a mode of payment. Even after bitcoin surpasses the $60k present goal, I think most of the crypto investors would just expect it and want it to current high. Also, not everyone is aware of bitcoin's existence, maybe the number of those who've heard about it have grown since it made a huge noise during the pandemic but still, not everyone is knowledgeable about it. Bitcoin has a lot of use, not only for us people but also for the whole crypto world since it is the most powerful and most famous.
Due to the high volatility, Bitcoin is best used as an investment asset in order to make a good profit, because it is not very profitable to use it as a means of payment in the current period. Although after a time when Bitcoin can increase its capitalization by 10-15 times, then its price will stabilize and only then Bitcoin will be used by almost everyone as a means of payment and even as a reliable storage. But on the way to that goal, regulatory issues must be addressed in each country. Although today there are already quite a few countries that have adopted cryptocurrencies and recognized them as a digital asset.

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April 01, 2021, 04:32:22 PM
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I don't get it, whenever bitcoin reaches to 60k, there is a boat loads of people selling their bitcoin. What's the point of selling it when it is 60k? I am not asking why they are selling because we know why people sell, it could be many different reasons why people sell from trading to technical analysis to just needing money.

However I am asking why people end up selling at 60k, why specifically there? Why not at 65k? Why not at 55k? Why just suddenly a ton of people show up and sell at 60k? What's so different about 60k than any other price? I do not get it and I believe we should be higher. We have gone above 60k before and we will do that again, no matter how many times the price falls, we keep attacking and we keep winning and that will continue for a long time, until people realize that price of 60k will be broken with them or without them and they will join and we will break it a lot easier.

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April 01, 2021, 11:54:43 PM
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I don't get it, whenever bitcoin reaches to 60k, there is a boat loads of people selling their bitcoin. What's the point of selling it when it is 60k? I am not asking why they are selling because we know why people sell, it could be many different reasons why people sell from trading to technical analysis to just needing money.
I think that the psychological factor can play a big role in this, because people like beautiful numbers like as many as tens, and the onset of such a moment can play the role of a certain trigger for the decision to sell an asset Wink Moreover, previous experience teaches such investors to be cautious and that after the occurrence of this event, a correction may occur. In the same way, it will be possible to talk about 65,000 and so on, and I think and hope that this is possible in the near future. Not everyone has the patience to wait any longer and is tempted to lock in a profit.
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April 02, 2021, 07:46:17 AM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

Everyone says it's going to be 100k, and if everyone does that, it means it won't be. The big fish will get rich and pay out at the same time, ending the bank. That will be the "happy ending"

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April 02, 2021, 11:14:10 AM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

Everyone says it's going to be 100k, and if everyone does that, it means it won't be. The big fish will get rich and pay out at the same time, ending the bank. That will be the "happy ending"

Not just the whales that will become richer from crypto, but all people who involve in the crypto will also become rich. But that is only for people who can use the time to make a profit from crypto. But most people are hard to take profit, especially if they already see their coin can increase higher because some of them want to make more profit. But I am sure that the bitcoin price will go to be $100k, whether it will happen this month, this year or next year. We can just wait and prepare for that by making more and more bitcoin.

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April 02, 2021, 02:51:38 PM
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Not just the whales that will become richer from crypto, but all people who involve in the crypto will also become rich. But that is only for people who can use the time to make a profit from crypto. But most people are hard to take profit, especially if they already see their coin can increase higher because some of them want to make more profit. But I am sure that the bitcoin price will go to be $100k, whether it will happen this month, this year or next year. We can just wait and prepare for that by making more and more bitcoin.
I would like to print this message and put it as a poster everywhere in the world. You have said something right in every sentence of that message. Yes it is going to profit all of us and yes we are all going to be profiting from it and yes there are people who are eager to make way too much money and miss their chances and yes there are too many people who end up with nothing because they are too scared. I can't explain how much we should be caring about the current situation.

I think bitcoin will be 100k very soon but let's assume it is not I can say that it will be 100k+ eventually, maybe in a year maybe next year so I agree that we will get there anyway, don't know when and how but I know it will definitely happen. This is why I agree with your message and every part of it for sure without a doubt. I think people should see this message everywhere.
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April 02, 2021, 03:14:51 PM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
bitcoin is so volatile reason its so unpredictable. but if you have enough knowledge how the things work it will become a very useful in your life mate. And also for the second question. "how many merchant accepting bitcoin?" Well for your information.. There's a lot to be honest, since it became very usefu and so easy to use as well when it comes paying bills and etc..wherein even some popular store around the world are using it.. Actually doing simple search you can find some interesting topic about how useful bitcoin nowadays.
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April 02, 2021, 11:29:48 PM
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I am not worried about spending it, I am interested in holding bitcoin for as long as I can because now is when we will see the future of bitcoin.
If this is only when bitcoin is being the center of attention of the world.

Any of us could think for a moment about how bitcoin managed to overcome the uncertainty of the Covid19 pandemic. Because a year ago the price of bitcoin fell demonstrating its vulnerability which is the same as us because we are all bitcoin.

Now the price of bitcoin will exceed 60K and will continue to break more records because it is consolidating around the world.

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April 05, 2021, 09:55:24 AM
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The price levels after 60K is still unreachable and bitcoin need to save some more potential before breaking this resistance area. Maybe after the correction to 52K-48K key level and starting another wave of bull run we can see the price passing 60K and by passing this level the next stop station can be 68K-70K or even more. Since you are talking about bitcoin, nothing is really predictable and people are only talking about the possible theories, nothing more.

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April 05, 2021, 04:58:44 PM
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It has been a long wait. The ATH of 62K was achieved on 14th March. Almost 4 weeks have passed and we have been so far unable to breach that resistance of $60K once more. Actually it is surprising because of two factors. First of all, the altcoins have been going up like crazy. BNB is up by 38% during the last 7 days. XRP has gone up by 55% and TRX has increased by 113%. So why BTC is lagging behind? And secondly, a lot of Americans have already received their stimulus checks. I was expecting a major spike from the recipients purchasing BTC. But it hasn't happened as of yet.
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April 06, 2021, 05:38:51 AM
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There are many traders who do not have the patience to hold on for a long time so they sell bitcoin for a small profit from their capital. At this point this week bitcoin looks set to fall above 6,000 or be less flat also I don’t think it has any power and instead of this position bitcoin can actually be like bitcoin prizes will hover around the 6,000 level which is very unlikely to go below it. Although there is a high risk to trade in the money market it is possible to earn extra here if you can trade in the right way.
It is not healthy to hodl for a long time especially if you are only invested in bitcoin, you need to make more money and create more streams of income overtime. If bitcoin were to reach 60k I think that there is going to be nothing new because this kind of question has been asked when bitcoin was still around 50k or 20k, maybe what's next is that more big fishes will take notice and more FUDs is going to be spread.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
I can't answer all of your questions, but many merchants accept Bitcoin payments...
the latest news that was very shocking was when Tesla officially said it accepted payment with Bitcoin. In the future we will see more merchants that accept Bitcoin payments, just prepare yourself.



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April 06, 2021, 08:47:21 AM
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You can buy Tesla cars using bitcoin. You can buy products at AT&T, Burger King, KFC, Twitch and many more using bitcoins and lastly you can use bitcoin to store your savings in a much more efficient way with possible good return in the future.
Here's a link where you can find some companies who accepts BTC.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
Bitcoin is an asset not just for speculation.
You can use bitcoin to purchase goods and services although in some countries.
We can use bitcoin to buy so many things example cars, electronics, burgers, and much more.
In all the statements above. Bitcoin is the future and it has come to stay for good.

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Bitcoin is slowly being adapted globally, atleast it's in progress. There arent that many companies, institutions, corporations, or even small businesses that accept bitcoin. The truth is we're still dependent on Fiat money, because it is much more accessible. This doesnt mean that bitcoin is just for speculation though, it has proven many uses, it has value and can be purchased for certain goods and services (establishments that accept bitcoin as payment) for now it's advisable to HODL until bitcoin becomes the norm in tramsactions and payments.

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There are already lots of merchants and products that can be bought by Bitcoin into those countries that adopt Bitcoin as one of their mode of payment which make it a point for Bitcoin to become more useful aside from investment and trading purposes. After Bitcoin surpasses $60,000 price mark and drops down again a few dollars, people do expect to see Bitcoin to push through another price mark exceeding its current recorded ATH for many are expecting that it can still soar high to the extent that it will become more pricey or expensive that will benefit holder, investors and traders as well. It is not questionable for what will be the next thing about Bitcoin for we are all just waiting and seizing the moment we have right now and just waiting for what will the future can offer with regards to Bitcoin adoption and usage.

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Many cryptocurrency users today expect a repeat of the situation that happened in 2017, but this definitely will not happen. I believe that these people will be very disappointed because they will have to invest in Bitcoin at current prices, and they will not wait for prices below $ 45K. Right now there is an accumulation and, accordingly, the price will go up.

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There are already lots of merchants and products that can be bought by Bitcoin into those countries that adopt Bitcoin as one of their mode of payment which make it a point for Bitcoin to become more useful aside from investment and trading purposes. After Bitcoin surpasses $60,000 price mark and drops down again a few dollars, people do expect to see Bitcoin to push through another price mark exceeding its current recorded ATH for many are expecting that it can still soar high to the extent that it will become more pricey or expensive that will benefit holder, investors and traders as well. It is not questionable for what will be the next thing about Bitcoin for we are all just waiting and seizing the moment we have right now and just waiting for what will the future can offer with regards to Bitcoin adoption and usage.
adopt is playing an important role in the current rise in the price of bitcoin and any correction at this time would be considered normal. Many people are still very confident that bitcoin is able to record a higher ATH record than before because its support look quite strong. We still have a lot of good moment right now and using them is a way to reap some profit. I also considered putting a few cent in altcoin a while ago. I think I have something good there.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
I can't answer all of your questions, but many merchants accept Bitcoin payments...
the latest news that was very shocking was when Tesla officially said it accepted payment with Bitcoin. In the future we will see more merchants that accept Bitcoin payments, just prepare yourself.

This is just marketing and it does not pay off (bitcoin for tesla ?Cheesy:D) bitcoin > all . Bitcoin is just a clever marketing gaming for Elon. A trick. But it doesn't change the fact that people need it.

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Bitcoin is an asset not just for speculation.
You can use bitcoin to purchase goods and services although in some countries.
We can use bitcoin to buy so many things example cars, electronics, burgers, and much more.
In all the statements above. Bitcoin is the future and it has come to stay for good.
Unfortunately people do not see that part of crypto that much, we are talking about something that would benefit the whole world and elevate all the wealth gap between the rich and the poor but unfortunately they do not see it. The reality of the current world we live is the fact that there is unlimited amount of money printed constantly, it never ends and it keeps getting printed which means that we are going to end up with something that will keep fiat money constantly going up and up and up in numbers.

And at the end of the day if we start using bitcoin that means that we are going to end up with something limited and that's why rich people won't be getting richer, it is limited and they would have to pay more and more and more for it and that's why wealth gap will never be getting bigger if we all started to use bitcoin. However many people do not realize this.

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I will start by saying which Country are you from because this will determine if you have a chance to trade directly with your coin or the people accepting it in your Country. Since late last year November there have been many threads on this forum about companies, private investors who are now into Bitcoin and those that now accept bitcoin as a means of payment

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Even you can't tell that Bitcoin is slowly making changes and acceptance into different countries that's good news let's day one of those projects are the acceptance of the stores with the use of bitcoin payment, you can now withdraw to the nearest ATM supported the bitcoin, and now you can buy a Tesla by just using your bitcoin. Imagine for the next year's there's a plenty project with the bitcoin.
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Even you can't tell that Bitcoin is slowly making changes and acceptance into different countries that's good news let's day one of those projects are the acceptance of the stores with the use of bitcoin payment, you can now withdraw to the nearest ATM supported the bitcoin, and now you can buy a Tesla by just using your bitcoin. Imagine for the next year's there's a plenty project with the bitcoin.
That type of improvements are great, we are finally seeing the bitcoin price not being the main topic of discussion and that is a very important thing. We really needed bitcoin to be at a stage where we are doing fine even if the price is not going up. These days we are getting great news, paypal now have withdrawal, tesla is taking bitcoin, basically all around great things are happening for us.

I know that it is not that much of a deal right now, but it is definitely something that could grow and become bigger. This is why I think it is quite obvious we should not be focusing on just one thing but focusing on many things. So far people only focused on the price and if it goes up that is great and if it is not going up that is bad, I believe that is not the case and that is why I am not going to be that much interested in just one thing and ignore all other parts.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
If your question is in terms of pricing. The next point I see bitcoin reach is $72k which I think is something we can easily get if we break the 60k mark. But yes if your question was in terms of utility. I think things are just getting worse with every dollar pump in Bitcoin. It's because we are inflating the price of bitcoin to such a level where the payment of it's fees and it's usage would certainly become very difficult. Now that Tesla has bought bitcoins, do you think their idea is to make some payments to their vendors in the future using bitcoin? Not at all. What they seek is a pure-play investment into the fastest-growing asset. So I think we are just creating a huge investment option for us.
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Even you can't tell that Bitcoin is slowly making changes and acceptance into different countries that's good news let's day one of those projects are the acceptance of the stores with the use of bitcoin payment, you can now withdraw to the nearest ATM supported the bitcoin, and now you can buy a Tesla by just using your bitcoin. Imagine for the next year's there's a plenty project with the bitcoin.
That type of improvements are great, we are finally seeing the bitcoin price not being the main topic of discussion and that is a very important thing. We really needed bitcoin to be at a stage where we are doing fine even if the price is not going up. These days we are getting great news, paypal now have withdrawal, tesla is taking bitcoin, basically all around great things are happening for us.

I know that it is not that much of a deal right now, but it is definitely something that could grow and become bigger. This is why I think it is quite obvious we should not be focusing on just one thing but focusing on many things. So far people only focused on the price and if it goes up that is great and if it is not going up that is bad, I believe that is not the case and that is why I am not going to be that much interested in just one thing and ignore all other parts.
It's always nice to see more businesses accepting bitcoin, but how many of us here are really going to buy a Tesla? I think almost nobody, because the costs are really high and many third world countries don't even dream about electric cars yet. What we need is the adoption from common businesses such as the market where you go to buy food daily or the gas station where you fuel your car.
These businesses' adoption would make the difference in our daily life and there isn't any signal this kind of adoption is going to happen. On the other hand, at least we can already use a third party debit card service to convert btc to fiat nowadays.

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I think it's fair to say, that Bitcoin was mostly for speculation until recently. Now it's finally being viewed more like a currency. Not only you can buy Tesla, but I know that it is possible to purchase some video games with BTC, as Microsoft included it as a possible payment choice. In addition, some restaurants and hotels are accepting BTC. As far as I know, you can purchase food at Burger King and KFC with Bitcoin in some countries. Also, people can make donations to Wikipedia with crypto. And I'm sure there are many other examples that I haven't mentioned here. So in today's world Bitcoin is becoming so much more than just an asset.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

How did you say that bitcoin is for speculation only? Didn't you see that bitcoin can be use as payment method. In our country, we can use it to pay online our goods and bills, hassle free. Also the value of bitcoin always depends on the number of demand in the market and not because of the speculation.

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I'm sure there are many other examples that I haven't mentioned here. So in today's world Bitcoin is becoming so much more than just an asset.
So, it means all these are happening as bitcoin tested $60k? But, in my view bitcoin still got all the potential to continue its journey toward some mammoth amount in coming months; I mean $60k is no way a stop in any means. Only very few merchants just started accepting bitcoin and I believe this will become as a trend among all kind of merchants and then we can expect at least 40% of big market giants will be accepting bitcoins for sure in near future.

These businesses' adoption would make the difference in our daily life and there isn't any signal this kind of adoption is going to happen.
No, there are plenty of signals are there on which we can assume that bitcoin is slowly getting into mainstream adoption so that we can lead a life just with bitcoin payments.

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These businesses' adoption would make the difference in our daily life and there isn't any signal this kind of adoption is going to happen.
No, there are plenty of signals are there on which we can assume that bitcoin is slowly getting into mainstream adoption so that we can lead a life just with bitcoin payments.
Plenty of signals like what, for an example? I see none besides few businesses from restrict sectors for most people adopting bitcoin.
Once I start seeing food stores where I go shopping accepting bitcoin I will believe in such signals.

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I think it's fair to say, that Bitcoin was mostly for speculation until recently. Now it's finally being viewed more like a currency. Not only you can buy Tesla, but I know that it is possible to purchase some video games with BTC, as Microsoft included it as a possible payment choice. In addition, some restaurants and hotels are accepting BTC. As far as I know, you can purchase food at Burger King and KFC with Bitcoin in some countries. Also, people can make donations to Wikipedia with crypto. And I'm sure there are many other examples that I haven't mentioned here. So in today's world Bitcoin is becoming so much more than just an asset.
There will be more and more big adoptions in other cryptos that will allow all of what we want to use crypto, for example, there have been many institutions taking this by making it easier for the use of crypto to influence not just assets.
If all happens in the near future then I think this asset will be the most important, especially in terms of food we can buy more easily practically and this will be a more advanced reference where the development of bitcoin will be increasingly popular in its future.

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These businesses' adoption would make the difference in our daily life and there isn't any signal this kind of adoption is going to happen.
No, there are plenty of signals are there on which we can assume that bitcoin is slowly getting into mainstream adoption so that we can lead a life just with bitcoin payments.
Plenty of signals like what, for an example? I see none besides few businesses from restrict sectors for most people adopting bitcoin.
Once I start seeing food stores where I go shopping accepting bitcoin I will believe in such signals.
The reason of the pump is probably the institutional investors, not the real adoption that we are looking yet, but eventually we will reach at that level beacuse it's always the insitution that will start and they'll add it in their respective businesses. Let's wait for that time, but make sure you position yourself already this early.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

There are many stores in the world that accept Bitcoin, France, Italy, Spain and there are many stores that you can buy with Bitcoin, although Bitcoin is now quite famous as a speculative action, it has a lot of weight for investors worldwide, such as Elon Musk, Paypal, Microestrategy, among others.
 
In countries with rampant inflation it is much better than gold, some gold investors have passed everything to BItcoin, the son of the controversial Peter Schiff has already done so, there are some statements from the president of the FED that it is likely that gold can be substituted for Bitcoin due to its high speculative power, but not as a safe haven due to its high volatility and lack of support.

When observing all these eventualities and taking into account that we are still in a pandemic and even so, Bitcoin has had new ATHs, it is only a matter of time before they begin to implement the payment of goods and services through Bitcoin on a world level, adoption is a fact.

Having places to spend it is only half the issue with it being a mainstream currency. The other half is people willing to spend it as a currency and not treat it like a store of value, which is all the posts are concerned with anymore.  Bitcoin is never going to be a currency if it's treated like a store of value.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
There are lots of things that you’re going to be able to do with your bitcoins and most of them are usually peer to peer that you would be able to do those, you will hardly find a platform where they are accepting Bitcoin online, because it’s hard to use bitcoin for these big companies, it’s not like when they are making use of options such debit and credit cards, where payments can be verified the second you make them, but as for Bitcoin they are going to have wait to verify or confirm the transactions, which most times they have to do it manually, so it wouldn’t make much sense for them making use of it since it’s going to be a waste of time which wouldn’t be good for big business with lots of customers, the methods that can be verified instantly. But you can use bitcoin when it comes to peer to peer, I do that most times.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

There are many stores in the world that accept Bitcoin, France, Italy, Spain and there are many stores that you can buy with Bitcoin, although Bitcoin is now quite famous as a speculative action, it has a lot of weight for investors worldwide, such as Elon Musk, Paypal, Microestrategy, among others.
 
In countries with rampant inflation it is much better than gold, some gold investors have passed everything to BItcoin, the son of the controversial Peter Schiff has already done so, there are some statements from the president of the FED that it is likely that gold can be substituted for Bitcoin due to its high speculative power, but not as a safe haven due to its high volatility and lack of support.

When observing all these eventualities and taking into account that we are still in a pandemic and even so, Bitcoin has had new ATHs, it is only a matter of time before they begin to implement the payment of goods and services through Bitcoin on a world level, adoption is a fact.

Having places to spend it is only half the issue with it being a mainstream currency. The other half is people willing to spend it as a currency and not treat it like a store of value, which is all the posts are concerned with anymore.  Bitcoin is never going to be a currency if it's treated like a store of value.


You are right, in fact, the sense that people can have about Bitcoin is very broad, currently many see it as very useful due to the Covid-19 pandemic, it has been shown that in this Fundamental it has worked as a great solution to send and withdraw money, however as a reserve of Value is as Mark Cuban puts it:

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Mark Cuban, the billionaire Dallas Mavericks owner, is also a big fan of Bitcoin as a store of value. He has, however, criticized BTC as a currency, claiming Ether is closer to a currency than Bitcoin. The Shark Tank star owns BTC, SushiSwap, Aave, and Ether.

Others also see it in different ways:



Source: https://zycrypto.com/this-17-billion-hedge-fund-is-holding-bitcoin-with-coinbase/

Seen from that point of view, it is sometimes difficult to explain to people how they can see bitcoin ...

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Btc is slightly above 60k at the moment, there are still many people who have not yet invested, those still planning to come in, same way there are many institutional investors who are preparing to join, that means btc can surpass this current price and keeps increasing, already many analysts have made their different price prediction, the next mark is for btc to go 70k and above.
We did really have some significant movement or increase as of today but it seems that it do able to play out between 60k price mark and playing between 59 or 58k which it seems

that it might take a while before we do break this rooftop or resistance but who knows that we might able to see that not for too long.We do need some bullish news to make the price

way up or even more higher.For sure people will be targeting out 70k after that 60k mark which is just normal for us to have those views or goal.

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There are so many stores out there who accepts bitcoin as payments. So many that even restaurants, pizza huts, coffee shops and even Elon's Tesla accepting bitcoin. Probably, in few more years many institutions would adopt and would be joining this massive bull market.
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In fact, at the threshold of 60k, we have elastic down two times ago...I think it's very difficult to break this threshold to create a new ATH, we need to add a new momentum and binder to be able to break the bulls take profit.  Many financial experts have predicted the absolute threshold of bitcoin this year is $ 130k.  It is entirely possible "if" there is more force from the institutional investors.  It was the massive push by institutional investors that helped bitcoin break the limits!  continue to hope!t

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April 11, 2021, 04:39:58 AM
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In fact, at the threshold of 60k, we have elastic down two times ago...I think it's very difficult to break this threshold to create a new ATH, we need to add a new momentum and binder to be able to break the bulls take profit.  Many financial experts have predicted the absolute threshold of bitcoin this year is $ 130k.  It is entirely possible "if" there is more force from the institutional investors.  It was the massive push by institutional investors that helped bitcoin break the limits!  continue to hope!t

Financial "experts" have been predicting over $100k every year since for years now, they've never been right before so there's no real reason to give any weight to these predictions. Bitcoin is as likely to go back to $50k than it is to go to $70k, let alone go to $130k.

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April 11, 2021, 04:40:29 AM
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I think it will now aim for its new goal which is a $100k mark, nothing is impossible with bitcoin.

It is not only used for speculation but it can be also used for paying something. Are you aware about Visa completing its first transaction using bitcoin? That's an example that bitcoin can be used as a payment tool and still there are more big companies which are trying to adopt it.

Maybe 5 years from now, more companies will implement this kind of adoption and development in their system.

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April 11, 2021, 12:57:18 PM
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I think it will now aim for its new goal which is a $100k mark, nothing is impossible with bitcoin.

It is not only used for speculation but it can be also used for paying something. Are you aware about Visa completing its first transaction using bitcoin? That's an example that bitcoin can be used as a payment tool and still there are more big companies which are trying to adopt it.

Maybe 5 years from now, more companies will implement this kind of adoption and development in their system.

There's no problem with adoption as it's happening, but as to price reaction, isn't it too early to call for $100k, of it we reach $100k, will bitcoin able to depend that price and make it stable? What if it will just dump due to a big correction?

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April 12, 2021, 02:13:05 AM
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I think it will now aim for its new goal which is a $100k mark, nothing is impossible with bitcoin.

It is not only used for speculation but it can be also used for paying something. Are you aware about Visa completing its first transaction using bitcoin? That's an example that bitcoin can be used as a payment tool and still there are more big companies which are trying to adopt it.

Maybe 5 years from now, more companies will implement this kind of adoption and development in their system.

There's no problem with adoption as it's happening, but as to price reaction, isn't it too early to call for $100k, of it we reach $100k, will bitcoin able to depend that price and make it stable? What if it will just dump due to a big correction?
especially when technically bitcoin has no defense on its left, and is making new peaks. I think a big correction could happen at any time. therefore we must be careful when trading. to hit $ 100k, it might happen, but it still takes me a while

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April 12, 2021, 06:43:49 AM
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I think it will now aim for its new goal which is a $100k mark, nothing is impossible with bitcoin.

It is not only used for speculation but it can be also used for paying something. Are you aware about Visa completing its first transaction using bitcoin? That's an example that bitcoin can be used as a payment tool and still there are more big companies which are trying to adopt it.

Maybe 5 years from now, more companies will implement this kind of adoption and development in their system.

There's no problem with adoption as it's happening, but as to price reaction, isn't it too early to call for $100k, of it we reach $100k, will bitcoin able to depend that price and make it stable? What if it will just dump due to a big correction?
especially when technically bitcoin has no defense on its left, and is making new peaks. I think a big correction could happen at any time. therefore we must be careful when trading. to hit $ 100k, it might happen, but it still takes me a while
Certainly I agree with you there. Bitcoin is looking at hitting that $100k sometimes within the year or before the year ends but as usual, we most expect corrections every ones a while as this is a certainty in the market hence that will happen. Just on Saturday 10 April, Bitcoin hit $61k+ and it might have been some thing some of us would have thought will take a longer time than the time it took, so very hopeful that Bitcoin will do the $100k number.
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April 12, 2021, 10:21:56 AM
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
The scenario continues to happen , growing to 60k and dropping to 50k .. So answering what's next is so far not  predictable .
But i believe that the increase is still on process and will surely has another growth to come in the future.
There are so many stores out there who accepts bitcoin as payments. So many that even restaurants, pizza huts, coffee shops and even Elon's Tesla accepting bitcoin. Probably, in few more years many institutions would adopt and would be joining this massive bull market.
Those are not the issue now because that has been around for long time.

what we are aiming now is Big companies to continues accept bitcoin and other altcoins also.


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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
I won’t really say that it is being helpful in our daily lives, because most of us here don’t make use of bitcoin for our daily needs, mostly what we are making use of is the fiat and nothing more than that. And if we decide to make use of bitcoin in making a purchase it is going to be something that we do once in a while and not on a steady basis. But as for merchants accepting Bitcoin, you can find lots of them online if you search for them.

For example there is Overstock, although I think they mostly deal on Homesgoods, especially furniture. Then there is purse.io that people uses for making different purchase. There might be less of them, but they are available.

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April 13, 2021, 06:20:44 PM
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Bitcoin price is moving towards 70,000$.
Now Bitcoin ATH price is 63,500. And soon we see the bitcoin price is above 70,000$. The price of Bitcoin is increasing day by day due to its popularity and its usage. So, buy some Bitcoin before it leave the earth.

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April 13, 2021, 09:44:01 PM
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Man, was I surprised this afternoon to see my old sale order filled at $61500. I don't even remember when I placed it LOL, and when I received the notification and looked at the charts it was already above 63k Smiley

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April 13, 2021, 10:14:06 PM
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It looks like 70k is the next thing after we pass 60 Wink
Bitcoin is once again proving the doubters that we are in a bull market and the run is far from over.

Man, was I surprised this afternoon to see my old sale order filled at $61500. I don't even remember when I placed it LOL, and when I received the notification and looked at the charts it was already above 63k Smiley

That's what you get for not paying attention. Leaving orders and forgetting about them is like leaving your car for the night with keys inside. What could go wrong? Cheesy

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April 13, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
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Man, was I surprised this afternoon to see my old sale order filled at $61500. I don't even remember when I placed it LOL, and when I received the notification and looked at the charts it was already above 63k Smiley

My surprise was even greater when I saw that on Binance it reached $ 63k and then $ 62.9k, so it came and went, what I did was execute the stop loss, and from that moment I did not get off the chart, possibly there is a good bullish strength thanks to Microestrategy:

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MSTR’s rally came just as Bitcoin surged above $63,000 for the first time, setting a new all-time high. Although MicroStrategy’s underlying business has nothing to do with Bitcoin or cryptocurrency, the company has become a corporate flagbearer of BTC ever since CEO Michael Saylor decided to convert a large portion of the company’s balance sheet into the digital asset.

The company now holds 91,579 BTC, worth roughly $5.8 billion at the time of publication.

Source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/microstrategy-stock-explodes-alongside-bitcoin-rally

Very good results thanks to the bullish rally, I imagine Elon Musk's earnings were thousands of dollars ...

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April 14, 2021, 08:33:15 AM
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Financial "experts" have been predicting over $100k every year since for years now, they've never been right before so there's no real reason to give any weight to these predictions. Bitcoin is as likely to go back to $50k than it is to go to $70k, let alone go to $130k.
Well atleast their prediction isn't really far off considering many these so called financial experts have predicted bitcoin to go as far as $100K from when the price of bitcoin was below $10K and we're already more than halfway to go here. It's not like their prediction should be very accurate right? there's always some miss

I won’t really say that it is being helpful in our daily lives, because most of us here don’t make use of bitcoin for our daily needs, mostly what we are making use of is the fiat and nothing more than that. And if we decide to make use of bitcoin in making a purchase it is going to be something that we do once in a while and not on a steady basis. But as for merchants accepting Bitcoin, you can find lots of them online if you search for them.

For example there is Overstock, although I think they mostly deal on Homesgoods, especially furniture. Then there is purse.io that people uses for making different purchase. There might be less of them, but they are available.
I think there's these niche like VPS, domain, dedicated server that usually offers discount for using cryptocurrency though I know that bitcoin's fee is kind of too high for making a purchase and all but for transaction above $1K bitcoin could be very useful not to mention it avoids us of having problem dealing with banks or any corporation that have payment services.

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April 14, 2021, 09:31:24 AM
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Financial "experts" have been predicting over $100k every year since for years now, they've never been right before so there's no real reason to give any weight to these predictions. Bitcoin is as likely to go back to $50k than it is to go to $70k, let alone go to $130k.
Well atleast their prediction isn't really far off considering many these so called financial experts have predicted bitcoin to go as far as $100K from when the price of bitcoin was below $10K and we're already more than halfway to go here. It's not like their prediction should be very accurate right? there's always some miss
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I agree. Bitcoin price, after crashing from $19k, was staying below $10k for more than a year, then it went up above $10k in the end of June 2019, reached $13k for a second in July, and started crashing from there(only with one outlier in the mid February 2020, when it reached $10k+, again, just for a moment), and it descended to as low as $5,173 in March 2020. Knowing all that, it wasn't that easy to predict that BTC would go from $10k not towards $5k again, but towards $100k. I personally couldn't predict that, and I respect those who could.

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April 14, 2021, 05:21:06 PM
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It looks like 70k is the next thing after we pass 60 Wink
Bitcoin is once again proving the doubters that we are in a bull market and the run is far from over.

Man, was I surprised this afternoon to see my old sale order filled at $61500. I don't even remember when I placed it LOL, and when I received the notification and looked at the charts it was already above 63k Smiley

That's what you get for not paying attention. Leaving orders and forgetting about them is like leaving your car for the night with keys inside. What could go wrong? Cheesy



What I got was like, using your terms, leaving a wheel nut from my car with key shell attached to it Smiley  I like placing these small triggers, when they go off then it's time to take a closer look.

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April 15, 2021, 09:38:55 AM
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I think it will now aim for its new goal which is a $100k mark, nothing is impossible with bitcoin.

It is not only used for speculation but it can be also used for paying something. Are you aware about Visa completing its first transaction using bitcoin? That's an example that bitcoin can be used as a payment tool and still there are more big companies which are trying to adopt it.

Maybe 5 years from now, more companies will implement this kind of adoption and development in their system.
It isn't impossible specially that many investors are coming and businesses are adopting faster than ever before. Having a Trillion market cap is unrealistic before but look at where BTC now.
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I think after the world economy get stabilize. The bitcoin performs out standing. Because peoples understand the value of Bitcoin. Because when every business fails in 2020 due to COVID-19. But traders are still earning money through Bitcoin. And now Bitcoin is above 60,000$. And it is not the end, the price is still growing massively day by day.

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April 15, 2021, 07:44:22 PM
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I think after the world economy get stabilize. The bitcoin performs out standing. Because peoples understand the value of Bitcoin. Because when every business fails in 2020 due to COVID-19. But traders are still earning money through Bitcoin. And now Bitcoin is above 60,000$. And it is not the end, the price is still growing massively day by day.
The value appreciation of bitcoin is continuously happening but how many people are making use of bitcoin in real life like spending bitcoin for everyday life? I guess only very few people with respect to their country's adoption level of bitcoin. When bitcoin is getting into mainstream adoption, the value of bitcoin will be definitely go another 10x appreciation.

But, most people are not taking care of making bitcoin into mainstream adoption but they are simply speculating about reaching million dollar levels.
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I think after the world economy get stabilize. The bitcoin performs out standing. Because peoples understand the value of Bitcoin. Because when every business fails in 2020 due to COVID-19. But traders are still earning money through Bitcoin. And now Bitcoin is above 60,000$. And it is not the end, the price is still growing massively day by day.
Yes a lot of people are now looking at bitcoin, everyone wants to make sure that they own some bitcoins so that they wouldn’t be missing out from the opportunity that it brings. Now that the price of the coin have reached sixty thousand dollars and above a lot of people will now want to start buying it especially those that didn’t invest all this whole and are thinking that it is coming to an end, which it isn’t, they are definitely going to be shocked and blame themselves for not buying when it was at a lower rate , very bad for them.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?
It depends on what the current course is
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April 16, 2021, 02:13:22 PM
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Well, if you're using bitcoin as a currency you ought to be ecstatic that it's hit $60k, because you can buy a hell of a lot more with it than you could at this same time last year (assuming you're holding the same amount, of course). 

And where can you spend it?  Plenty of places, though you can't pay for things like rent, mortgage, taxes, and some other common expenses.  But if you're looking for anything computer-related, Newegg accepts bitcoin.  Overstock.com also takes it, and they sell pretty much anything you need.  If you want to buy precious metals, there's APMEX, JM Bullion, and Provident Metals.  So it's not like there's no where to spend bitcoin if you have it (and want to spend it, which I find crazy).

It looks like 70k is the next thing after we pass 60 Wink
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April 16, 2021, 03:11:04 PM
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We recently got yet another ATH, and to be honest I dont know what to think.
Before this i was convinced that BTC will drop and altcoins will go up. Now it is so weird, we have BTC going sideways and some alts going up.

It could be that BTC will bounce off 70k becasue it is historical logarithmic ressistance or it can go thru it and then surely we know what is the next ressistance, the 100k!

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious.  What product can we buy by using bitcoin
The world's richest Elon Musk whose company Tesla recently invested $1.5B in bitcoin alone and has since never stop talking about bitcoin, you can actually use your bitcoin to purchase Tesla cars. And a whole lot of retail shops accepting bitcoin. There are some site that allows you to fund with bitcoin while pay for their services, it's cheaper and stress-free.
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
To be honest there are many store actually accepting bitcoin as a payment well if you really want to build an store then you can accept bitcoin as a payment too here in my country most of restaurant are accepting bitcoin nowadays because most of people are using bitcoin and now openly good for the government and one of the senator in my country already created an alternative coin where he can say that if this coin are into the market and earn more than it's invested he actually donated it into the poor people. But most of them are into bitcoin industry already.
People allow to use cashless bill to pay in some store, though mostly use centralized currency, you may not know how many of them having invested with decentralized currency and make them an asset and gain profit . Bitcoin is being popular again when it started to bull gain in the market. Many get interested, we do not know if even the government aware and using it to even for there own gain. Crypto is making noise and being known anywhere everywhere, and that makes the price hike.

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We recently got yet another ATH, and to be honest I dont know what to think.
Before this i was convinced that BTC will drop and altcoins will go up. Now it is so weird, we have BTC going sideways and some alts going up.

It could be that BTC will bounce off 70k becasue it is historical logarithmic ressistance or it can go thru it and then surely we know what is the next ressistance, the 100k!
I would put my chips on bitcoin reaching the 70k mark next and then it will stagnate there for awhile and then it will continue its run into 100k and 120k and so on. We can dream all we want what happens to bitcoin next but all we can do is hope for the best and be prepared no matter what happens.
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Do not let us waste the movement of bitcoin which tends to increase slowly but surely, there may also be parties who expect bitcoin to fall a little to make a purchase and in my opinion that is not possible.
So I think they should take advantage of the bitcoin movement and buy without expecting the bitcoin price to fall to buy it, and buy whenever you can because bitcoin price will continue to slowly increase.
So in my opinion, buy bitcoin without expecting bitcoin to fall to buy it because it is impossible because the price of bitcoin will continue to rise until it reaches its highest price, and increase your profits which will continue to increase.

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April 20, 2021, 09:47:48 PM
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Financial "experts" have been predicting over $100k every year since for years now, they've never been right before so there's no real reason to give any weight to these predictions. Bitcoin is as likely to go back to $50k than it is to go to $70k, let alone go to $130k.
Well atleast their prediction isn't really far off considering many these so called financial experts have predicted bitcoin to go as far as $100K from when the price of bitcoin was below $10K and we're already more than halfway to go here. It's not like their prediction should be very accurate right? there's always some miss
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I agree. Bitcoin price, after crashing from $19k, was staying below $10k for more than a year, then it went up above $10k in the end of June 2019, reached $13k for a second in July, and started crashing from there(only with one outlier in the mid February 2020, when it reached $10k+, again, just for a moment), and it descended to as low as $5,173 in March 2020. Knowing all that, it wasn't that easy to predict that BTC would go from $10k not towards $5k again, but towards $100k. I personally couldn't predict that, and I respect those who could.

The point is there's no accountability for the predictions. You never keep track of all the times someone is wrong predicting $50k, you only remember the 1 out 100 times they were right.  Nobody issuing price predictions has a track record worthy of paying attention to their track records is my point.

Btw, totally called going back to $50k after it hit $60k.  Maybe I am the expert.  Wink

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That's a wrong perception, trading is only profitable if you are good and not all traders are profitable, bitcoin is helpful as an investment and a payment system but it should not be viewed as an easy profit generating machine as your fate in crypto depends on how you handle yourself.
I absolutely agree with you that due to the huge volatility of cryptocurrencies, calculated in tens or even hundreds of percent, there are two possible possibilities: just as it is really easy to make money, it is also very easy to lose your investment. Therefore, it is necessary to constantly remind new people about this, who come to the market and after losing a lot, then become disillusioned with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies for the rest of their lives. Therefore, only the constant search for new knowledge and new information can help to avoid many of the losses that are typical for beginners. By the way, I think that the current drawdown of the bitcoin price in the region of 50,000 is a very significant milestone and if the price goes below this mark, we can see a correction of the exchange price by tens of thousands of dollars.
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for those who are not familiar with Bitcoin, maybe they don't realize that Bitcoin is helpful enough to support daily life, such as short-term traders who are able to target to get a profit.  In some countries, Bitcoin is so popular that many shops accept Bitcoin payments.  Even in a pandemic era like now most governments recommend choosing to transact digitally, gradually if Bitcoin is widely used for positive activities there will be alternatives that allow transactions using Bitcoin in some countries that have not fully accepted Bitcoin.
It's going up to that point.

As you point out about the pandemic, it's really recommended to go with digital transactions and bitcoin is the one that will be on that option per se.

There's more for bitcoin to cross such high prices and we'll never know how high it would be and the vast adoption keeps coming.

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April 30, 2021, 12:12:33 PM
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Therefore, there are a lot of thoughts on the subject, but only one thought revolves in my head all the time. Various funds bought bitcoin at levels above 50,000, I don't think they would, and spent a lot of money knowing that a correction was coming soon. Therefore, it is possible that the bullish race will continue and possibly for a long time. In addition, I cannot imagine a scenario in which we find ourselves in a deep correction that will allow everyone to buy Bitcoin at low prices, and believe me, this will be the case. After the current bull run, only the lazy person does not dream of a drop in the price of bitcoin in order to invest in it. So I think we are seeing the lowest Bitcoin prices right now.

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for those who are not familiar with Bitcoin, maybe they don't realize that Bitcoin is helpful enough to support daily life, such as short-term traders who are able to target to get a profit.  In some countries, Bitcoin is so popular that many shops accept Bitcoin payments.  Even in a pandemic era like now most governments recommend choosing to transact digitally, gradually if Bitcoin is widely used for positive activities there will be alternatives that allow transactions using Bitcoin in some countries that have not fully accepted Bitcoin.
It's going up to that point.

As you point out about the pandemic, it's really recommended to go with digital transactions and bitcoin is the one that will be on that option per se.

There's more for bitcoin to cross such high prices and we'll never know how high it would be and the vast adoption keeps coming.
Yes, no one will know until how widespread adoption will be, maybe only the whales will. and what is certain is that currently more and more large companies are adopting it, and giving massive influence to all circles. and after that we will see whether this condition will increase again or in fact in 2019 it will happen again

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Phew, that's the question we all want to know the answer to! If we only knew it, we also knew what to do next. Smiley I don't know what will happen after 60k, but I believe to know that it is going higher in the long run.

The big whales didn't have enough yet! Smiley

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until now there has been no legalization of bitcoin for transaction tools in general. besides the government has not supported it yet, bitcoin fees are too large, I don't think they are suitable for small scale transactions. I hope there are other supporting coins that are more flexible with this condition, and the government will legalize it soon
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Is bitcoin for speculation only?
Yes we can just speculate it but there is lots of strategy and idea concern.
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it is really useful in our daily life?
It is a online currency that is using it on daily life .So that i can easily say that its really useful .
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just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...  
You can buy anything by bitcoin .There are lots of e-commerce site is accepting bitcoin so that you can easily buy your goods from online shop .
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how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
I am not sure the number its really huge .I think most of the popular Merchant are starting to accept btc .

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Phew, that's the question we all want to know the answer to! If we only knew it, we also knew what to do next. Smiley I don't know what will happen after 60k, but I believe to know that it is going higher in the long run.

The big whales didn't have enough yet! Smiley

Big whales always wants more money, after $60K who knows what's next to come, what's better is to decide by yourself, if you do believe that there are more to come, buy and hold till it reached your target.

Though if you are more on scalping and you work with day trades, it's also possible to chase the market movements and try to earned out from it.

Take your side with diligence of doing your research, believe and rely with your own guts!

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Phew, that's the question we all want to know the answer to! If we only knew it, we also knew what to do next. Smiley I don't know what will happen after 60k, but I believe to know that it is going higher in the long run.

The big whales didn't have enough yet! Smiley

Big whales always wants more money, after $60K who knows what's next to come, what's better is to decide by yourself, if you do believe that there are more to come, buy and hold till it reached your target.

Though if you are more on scalping and you work with day trades, it's also possible to chase the market movements and try to earned out from it.

Take your side with diligence of doing your research, believe and rely with your own guts!
Although the whales and the institutional will want to make more money but I think we shouldn't forget that the whales are not the major play of this current market and it also hard to know what will happen in the market when Bitcoin reach the $60K price range but I believe a slight market correction will happen at some point when the market reach or pass $60K to strengthen the bullish trend.

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May 03, 2021, 11:20:22 PM
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Phew, that's the question we all want to know the answer to! If we only knew it, we also knew what to do next. Smiley I don't know what will happen after 60k, but I believe to know that it is going higher in the long run.
The big whales didn't have enough yet! Smiley
Big whales always wants more money, after $60K who knows what's next to come, what's better is to decide by yourself, if you do believe that there are more to come, buy and hold till it reached your target.
Though if you are more on scalping and you work with day trades, it's also possible to chase the market movements and try to earned out from it.
Take your side with diligence of doing your research, believe and rely with your own guts!
Although the whales and the institutional will want to make more money but I think we shouldn't forget that the whales are not the major play of this current market and it also hard to know what will happen in the market when Bitcoin reach the $60K price range but I believe a slight market correction will happen at some point when the market reach or pass $60K to strengthen the bullish trend.
Perhaps whales and institutional are not the basis of the market, but they can push the market in some direction at the right time, and investors usually take the news that another major player has entered the market with great enthusiasm, although this no longer has such a strong impact. I suspect that if bitcoin does not gain a foothold in the area of $ 60,000 in the next month, then in the coming summer months we will expect a sideways trend in the area of $ 50-55,000 or even a correction below $ 50,000.
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Actually there are some companies that already accept bitcoin. I think if Bitcoin is spread evenly then bitcoin price can be more stable so merchants can use it conveniently. For now the market condition is still unpredictable and volatile this condition give more benefits for investors.

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Phew, that's the question we all want to know the answer to! If we only knew it, we also knew what to do next. Smiley I don't know what will happen after 60k, but I believe to know that it is going higher in the long run.
The big whales didn't have enough yet! Smiley
Big whales always wants more money, after $60K who knows what's next to come, what's better is to decide by yourself, if you do believe that there are more to come, buy and hold till it reached your target.
Though if you are more on scalping and you work with day trades, it's also possible to chase the market movements and try to earned out from it.
Take your side with diligence of doing your research, believe and rely with your own guts!
Although the whales and the institutional will want to make more money but I think we shouldn't forget that the whales are not the major play of this current market and it also hard to know what will happen in the market when Bitcoin reach the $60K price range but I believe a slight market correction will happen at some point when the market reach or pass $60K to strengthen the bullish trend.
Perhaps whales and institutional are not the basis of the market, but they can push the market in some direction at the right time, and investors usually take the news that another major player has entered the market with great enthusiasm, although this no longer has such a strong impact. I suspect that if bitcoin does not gain a foothold in the area of $ 60,000 in the next month, then in the coming summer months we will expect a sideways trend in the area of $ 50-55,000 or even a correction below $ 50,000.
nowadays many people expect bitcoin to be corrected, and they can buy it. and in fact until recently bitcoin sideways formed a new defense. Keep in mind, if after this there is a correction, then I think there will be a deep correction, so we need to prepare to buy some support
@AndySt, if Bitcoin was to replicate the previous market momentum there should some market since the last week of April till now due to the mining difficulty adjustment but market resistance to dump shows that there's alot of demand in the market than supply.
@fauzan, if deep price correction will happen, I don't expect it to be long before the market will make a quick come back but with what I am seeing if the correction will indeed happen, it will be a flash not deep.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

Is Bitcoin for speculation only?

Answer: Yes Bitcoin was started in speculation only were some of the business minded people adopted it and control the value of it in my own
             perception only.

Is it really useful in our daily life?

Answer: If I'm gonna compared it into my life before at the present time now, yes it was very useful to me since 2015 up to now I am not
             employed but a a jobless individuals but still earnings Bitcoin or cryptocurrency as my own personal source of income for a couple of
             years now.

What product can we buy by using bitcoin only?

Answer: There are a lot of merchants all over the world now accepting Bitcoin as their mode of payment in different countries as well.

how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?

Answer: No idea dude, but in my estimate count I think it almost a thousands merchants now, not so sure but it could be more or less.


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In my opinion, the trend is very difficult to navigate at this time.  Looks like the market is correcting and rallying to analysis.  Institutional investors are waiting for orders to be passed from Biden's new tax law, which will lie in the middle of the inner Senate.  They will know how to take advantage of the opportunity and how to target it.  ETH is submitting an ETF, and it's getting bitcoin's attention as well.  In my prediction, next week we will break 65k and follow by ATh at 70k $.

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nowadays many people expect bitcoin to be corrected, and they can buy it. and in fact until recently bitcoin sideways formed a new defense. Keep in mind, if after this there is a correction, then I think there will be a deep correction, so we need to prepare to buy some support

If you define "correction" how the stock market traditionally defines a correction, then bitcoin just had a correction. It dropped from 65k to 52k just a couple weeks ago and has been recovering since then. But if you read the sentiment when this happens, people are eagerly embracing the opportunity, they're wondering why bitcoin is down and wondering how much lower it's gonna go.

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In my opinion, the trend is very difficult to navigate at this time.  Looks like the market is correcting and rallying to analysis.  Institutional investors are waiting for orders to be passed from Biden's new tax law, which will lie in the middle of the inner Senate.  They will know how to take advantage of the opportunity and how to target it.  ETH is submitting an ETF, and it's getting bitcoin's attention as well.  In my prediction, next week we will break 65k and follow by ATh at 70k $.

The trend is crazy in the past months, there are swings, but Bitcoin is breaking records this year, that's a fact! Not just Bitcoin, many coins are making crazy progress... but what's next!?

Maybe it all started like in 2017, but now as time passes, I am starting to realize that many things are a lot different... like the fact that Bitcoin is now in many institutions, huge companies... This is a different level, and I think that we can see some drop, but nothing big, in short term any kind of swing is possible... but as more companies, institutions, more are people getting in, the price can only go up! Of course, in the long run!

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
Yes it is useful for our daily life because it is money,
The product depends on the seller of course it is hard right now to find a local seller on my country.
There are so many merchant and companies that accept Bitcoin nowadays.
And for the title I would say it depends on the current market flow,
It could continue to grow, Be steady at that price or fall down after reaching it.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
Yes it is useful for our daily life because it is money,
The product depends on the seller of course it is hard right now to find a local seller on my country.
There are so many merchant and companies that accept Bitcoin nowadays.
And for the title I would say it depends on the current market flow,
It could continue to grow, Be steady at that price or fall down after reaching it.

In my opinion, only people who do not have knowledge of Bitcoin say Bitcoin is useless for human life. Because there are so many merchants that
accept Bitcoin payments, even a company the size of Tesla now accepts Bitcoin payments if we want to buy a Tesla car. But most importantly whether
our country allows using Bitcoin as a means of payment or not. Because not all countries accept Bitcoin as a whole, there are some countries that
only accept Bitcoin as a digital asset. What happens after passing the price of $ 60k again, of course Bitcoin will go even higher to the next target.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

 We are still waiting for the next , because the Highest price reached was 64,000 means still in 60k level.Hope that in this second quarter at least we can break the 70,000 level and then the 80-k , 90k and in the end year finally the 100k dream value.
I think the target depends on your activity. If you are a long-term holder then you must be expecting at least 20X more from the 2018 ATH of BTC. From that perspective, BTC will only be 3X by then.  Also, institutional investors choose BTC as a long-term investment that means they are not going to sell for now. So it's hard to predict but 75k should be the next heavy resistance level for BTC if it again breaks the 60k mark.
Well OP is asking about whats next from bitcoin and not from our investment.

I think you get Him wrong mate.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?

Bitcoin is not a theory or guessing or speculation only.
On our area, there are no merchant/stores that accepts bitcoin or any other altcoins but I still find cryptocurrency as a useful thing in my daily life. Instead of using bitcoin to buy things, we can convert it to fiat then cash out through banks or money transfer. Bitcoin is useful in so many other ways.
Hopefully bitcoin continue to rise before the end of the year and breaks its last ATH.

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Bitcoin is not yet legally adopted by the government but in our country we are free to use it. There are some stores that already accepting bitcoin as payment but the problem is the higher transaction fee. In my place, I can also use bitcoin easily but need to convert it into a fiat money to cash out and use to buy. even so, bitcoin is still very important to us because it is very useful in many ways. Bitcoin is not just for prediction and speculation because it has a higher value based on demand, supply and where it can be used especially now with a pandemic.  After $60K, if the demand keep on increasing there is a huge possibility that bitcoins value will continue to surge high.

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Is bitcoin for speculation only?   or it is really useful in our daily life?  just curious..  What product can we buy by using bitcoin only...   how many Merchant accepting bitcoin?   is it a huge number?   what do you think?
Bitcoin is having full freedom to use them in life, store wealth, turn it into speculation. It can be used to pay for purchases online for places that accept (Tesla already accepts payments in bitcoin), can be free to withdraw bitcoins for cash at bitcoin ATMs in the US or anywhere support it.
Bitcoin will continue to run, similar to how Doge did. I believe bitcoin will head towards $ 100k once the bears are hibernated.

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bitcoin started adopted in global merchants, if OP check in google you will find which merchants already accept bitcoin as their payment. if not only speculation , but we invest in technology that bring breakthrough in digital payment. look at tesla, this company known as technology insight and now they accept bitcoin for every tesla buying. i am confidence its good move for adoption.

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$70k, $80k, but I'm looking forward to seeing Bitcoin reach $100k someday.
We are expecting a huge market rally as seeing big and known companies are joining crypto, I believe that was our basis to think that Bitcoin will even reach farther than of today, however, the market seems to be unpredictable, and the dumps could also be possible to take place sometimes.
But what I have now is just the hopes, the hopes that the price will drop a little bit so I have the chance to buy more Bitcoins.  



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May 14, 2021, 03:58:45 PM
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Phew, that's the question we all want to know the answer to! If we only knew it, we also knew what to do next. Smiley I don't know what will happen after 60k, but I believe to know that it is going higher in the long run.

The big whales didn't have enough yet! Smiley

Big whales always wants more money, after $60K who knows what's next to come, what's better is to decide by yourself, if you do believe that there are more to come, buy and hold till it reached your target.

Though if you are more on scalping and you work with day trades, it's also possible to chase the market movements and try to earned out from it.

Take your side with diligence of doing your research, believe and rely with your own guts!

I believe that for the majority of those who do day trading their winnings and losses cancel out quite even in particular over a longer period of time. What it actually means is you need to catch the peaks frequently (which nobody does) and buy coins back on the way down hoping to then catch the peak again or close to that. That is so demanding and stressful if you have to watch movements on daily basis for every hour and every minute.

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bitcoin started adopted in global merchants, if OP check in google you will find which merchants already accept bitcoin as their payment. if not only speculation , but we invest in technology that bring breakthrough in digital payment. look at tesla, this company known as technology insight and now they accept bitcoin for every tesla buying. i am confidence its good move for adoption.
Bad news for you in that case, as Tesla recently made an announcement of not accepting bitcoins anymore because it consumes fossil fuels for mining, that is the reasoning they have given.

You can read about it here

A lot of services now accept Bitcoins as a payment option so I am not much concerned with the Tesla announcement. I recently purchased NordVPN for example and they accepted bitcoins and even a few other coins as well like Litecoin. The growth of Bitcoins is going to come from mass acceptance and I am sad that tesla made that announcement but I am sure more services will accept Bitcoins soon.

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May 14, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
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bitcoin started adopted in global merchants, if OP check in google you will find which merchants already accept bitcoin as their payment. if not only speculation , but we invest in technology that bring breakthrough in digital payment. look at tesla, this company known as technology insight and now they accept bitcoin for every tesla buying. i am confidence its good move for adoption.
Bad news for you in that case, as Tesla recently made an announcement of not accepting bitcoins anymore because it consumes fossil fuels for mining, that is the reasoning they have given.

You can read about it here

A lot of services now accept Bitcoins as a payment option so I am not much concerned with the Tesla announcement. I recently purchased NordVPN for example and they accepted bitcoins and even a few other coins as well like Litecoin. The growth of Bitcoins is going to come from mass acceptance and I am sad that tesla made that announcement but I am sure more services will accept Bitcoins soon.

Bad news happens a lot of time on Bitcoin Market, so this kind of announcement isn't new.  Besides Tesla's announcement is somehow dumb since power energy doesn't rely on coal or fossil fuels alone.  If that is one of their reason, they should stop transacting with banks since banking sector consumes a lot of energy too.
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May 14, 2021, 09:59:02 PM
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bitcoin started adopted in global merchants, if OP check in google you will find which merchants already accept bitcoin as their payment. if not only speculation , but we invest in technology that bring breakthrough in digital payment. look at tesla, this company known as technology insight and now they accept bitcoin for every tesla buying. i am confidence its good move for adoption.
Bad news for you in that case, as Tesla recently made an announcement of not accepting bitcoins anymore because it consumes fossil fuels for mining, that is the reasoning they have given.

You can read about it here

A lot of services now accept Bitcoins as a payment option so I am not much concerned with the Tesla announcement. I recently purchased NordVPN for example and they accepted bitcoins and even a few other coins as well like Litecoin. The growth of Bitcoins is going to come from mass acceptance and I am sad that tesla made that announcement but I am sure more services will accept Bitcoins soon.

Bad news happens a lot of time on Bitcoin Market, so this kind of announcement isn't new.  Besides Tesla's announcement is somehow dumb since power energy doesn't rely on coal or fossil fuels alone.  If that is one of their reason, they should stop transacting with banks since banking sector consumes a lot of energy too.

Don't buy their excuss towards eliminating bitcoin unto them they made it on purpose, Musk want to manipulate the narket but he failed this time he didn't create much deeper impact since bitcoin still at 50,000$ above, I believe after this power excuss for sure he will be back hyping bitcoin again.

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May 14, 2021, 10:04:27 PM
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Bad news happens a lot of time on Bitcoin Market, so this kind of announcement isn't new.  Besides Tesla's announcement is somehow dumb since power energy doesn't rely on coal or fossil fuels alone.  If that is one of their reason, they should stop transacting with banks since banking sector consumes a lot of energy too.
I didnt know that Tesla decided to stop accepting bitcoin, the last time I heard is they sell 10% of their bitcoin. Im late with the latest news due to my work. This might be one of the reason why bitcoin experience a correction. Anyway Tesla is a big company and their decision has an impact but the price doest rely on that, many adoption happened and there's more to look forward.

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bitcoin started adopted in global merchants, if OP check in google you will find which merchants already accept bitcoin as their payment. if not only speculation , but we invest in technology that bring breakthrough in digital payment. look at tesla, this company known as technology insight and now they accept bitcoin for every tesla buying. i am confidence its good move for adoption.
Bad news for you in that case, as Tesla recently made an announcement of not accepting bitcoins anymore because it consumes fossil fuels for mining, that is the reasoning they have given.

You can read about it here

A lot of services now accept Bitcoins as a payment option so I am not much concerned with the Tesla announcement. I recently purchased NordVPN for example and they accepted bitcoins and even a few other coins as well like Litecoin. The growth of Bitcoins is going to come from mass acceptance and I am sad that tesla made that announcement but I am sure more services will accept Bitcoins soon.

Bad news happens a lot of time on Bitcoin Market, so this kind of announcement isn't new.  Besides Tesla's announcement is somehow dumb since power energy doesn't rely on coal or fossil fuels alone.  If that is one of their reason, they should stop transacting with banks since banking sector consumes a lot of energy too.

Don't buy their excuss towards eliminating bitcoin unto them they made it on purpose, Musk want to manipulate the narket but he failed this time he didn't create much deeper impact since bitcoin still at 50,000$ above, I believe after this power excuss for sure he will be back hyping bitcoin again.

That tweet about Bitcoin being bad to the environment was a bad decision made by Elon Musk. It mad him look dumb. As if he didn't know before that Bitcoins are creating through a process called mining and that mining uses electricity intensive hardware Cheesy Well, he is only Elon Musk so why would he understand a thing or two about energy expenditure and mining hardware?

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