[Table] Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos

[Cointxz]

@Pmalek, Bitsler and Livecasino was already closed last October 1 and September 30 based on their announcement before. I can confirm that both website is not operating anymore. It’s sad to see that they are closed now since I wager a lot on these casino in the past.

You are doing a great job updating this list until now. Kudos!

[notblox1]

I don't have that information, and honestly I don't think we would find many crypto casinos with automatic withdrawals. First, we would have to agree what we consider automatic. To me, that means that I click on withdraw, and my withdrawal gets checked and processed by an automatic system within seconds in the background and sent without the need for an actual human to intervene. If that automatic withdrawal takes 10 min. (or more) and has to be approved by someone, that's not automatic even if it's quick. Someone else might say it's automatic, though.

I have never experienced an instant withdrawal so far. I have seen quick withdrawals, but not instant and automated ones.

You have a point.
Maybe there are not real automatic withdrawals, but some casinos I used in the past processed everything really quickly, so I considered them automatic.
For other casinos I had to wait for hours to get withdrawal approved manually, and than I have to wait for blockchain confirmation.
I think it is safer to grade casino withdrawals to Fast, Medium, and Slow, but this is again only average grading.

[hd49728]

You have a point.
Maybe there are not real automatic withdrawals, but some casinos I used in the past processed everything really quickly, so I considered them automatic.
For other casinos I had to wait for hours to get withdrawal approved manually, and than I have to wait for blockchain confirmation.
I think it is safer to grade casino withdrawals to Fast, Medium, and Slow, but this is again only average grading.

Manual processing is only for very small business and it needs human to check, approve withdrawal request and proceed it. It takes time, and human needs to rest, sleep so there will be possibly unavailability some times. It's unsure that a company will have different people who serve different shifts so that user withdrawal requests will be checked, approved, and proceeded quickly enough.

It's big disadvantage of manual processing, and big business won't use this method. With automatic processing, there will be problems sometimes but it will mostly be more convenient, time saving than manual processing.

Many times, platforms with one man for everything, manual processing turn to scam. Recently we have Scoras.io casino with the representative account disappeared in about 1 week.

[Pmalek]

@Pmalek, Bitsler and Livecasino was already closed last October 1 and September 30 based on their announcement before. I can confirm that both website is not operating anymore. It’s sad to see that they are closed now since I wager a lot on these casino in the past.

Thanks for the remainder. I have removed both from the table. These were relatively big and well-known names on the crypto gambling scene. I have personally not played much on either of the two casinos but I know people who have. Livecasino shutting down is particularly surprising if you ask me. A partner and sister casino of Sportsbet.io. I never expected it.

Maybe there are not real automatic withdrawals, but some casinos I used in the past processed everything really quickly, so I considered them automatic.
For other casinos I had to wait for hours to get withdrawal approved manually, and than I have to wait for blockchain confirmation.
I think it is safer to grade casino withdrawals to Fast, Medium, and Slow, but this is again only average grading.

I will leave the table as it is. Adding new columns would mess up the formatting. It's already quite messy on smaller displays.

[notblox1]

Manual processing is only for very small business and it needs human to check, approve withdrawal request and proceed it.

I dont agree with your statement about this.
If I have to wait for many hours for my withdrawal coins to arrive, than this is manual processing for me.

I will leave the table as it is. Adding new columns would mess up the formatting. It's already quite messy on smaller displays.

I didnt really want to add more information in your table, but I wanted to create my own version for withdrawal speed comparison chart, so I am collecting all possible information I can get
Thank you anyway.

[Pmalek]

I didnt really want to add more information in your table, but I wanted to create my own version for withdrawal speed comparison chart, so I am collecting all possible information I can get

That's going to be an interesting read. Feel free to share it when it's done and posted.
Are you planning to test the withdrawal speeds on each casino personally? If so, will your evaluation only depend on one withdrawal? Personal experience coupled with feedback from other players would be the best approach even though it's very difficult and time-consuming. You will have plenty of choices to make.

[Agbe]

Are you planning to test the withdrawal speeds on each casino personally? If so, will your evaluation only depend on one withdrawal? Personal experience coupled with feedback from other players would be the best approach even though it's very difficult and time-consuming. You will have plenty of choices to make.

It can't be from one casino withdrawal and it should be at least 80% to 90% of casinos that are active in the forum and subsequently add up the rest though that will be a big work for him to do and he will spend a reasonable amount to test around the casinos. As you said others input can also help because arrival of withdrawal determine the coins, the region and network. That should be a determination to accomplish.

[Mahdirakib]

I didnt really want to add more information in your table, but I wanted to create my own version for withdrawal speed comparison chart, so I am collecting all possible information I can get

It will make the list messy if OP adds more information in that. However, it will be very helpful for the gamblers if you make a list with this information. You can expect to get help from the fellow forum members (including me) to get this information about different casinos. I know you already have the experience of withdrawal processing time of different casinos since you are an active gambler too.

[notblox1]

Are you planning to test the withdrawal speeds on each casino personally? If so, will your evaluation only depend on one withdrawal? Personal experience coupled with feedback from other players would be the best approach even though it's very difficult and time-consuming. You will have plenty of choices to make.

I am planning to perform testing on five or six casinos I actively use and have some coin balance there.
There will be some limitations and I am still thinking if I should use only bitcoin or adding usdt token in testing.

You can expect to get help from the fellow forum members (including me) to get this information about different casinos. I know you already have the experience of withdrawal processing time of different casinos since you are an active gambler too.

Thank you sir.
When I open new topic about this topic I will tag you and few more members who are interested in providing help and feedback.

[panjul07]

You can expect to get help from the fellow forum members (including me) to get this information about different casinos. I know you already have the experience of withdrawal processing time of different casinos since you are an active gambler too.

Thank you sir.
When I open new topic about this topic I will tag you and few more members who are interested in providing help and feedback.

I'll be there to share my experience as well regarding withdrawal in some casinos where I used to play, I believe the other forum members who are actively gambling will also do the same so you can get some information as reference for your topic.
Some people do like to test new casinos as well (including me) so don't hesitate to ask for opinions or even request to try out a casino.
As long as the casino looks trustworthy without any red flags or serious complaints, there will surely be some people who won't hesitate to give it a try.

[Pmalek]

There will be some limitations and I am still thinking if I should use only bitcoin or adding usdt token in testing.

When it comes to Bitcoin, you have to take into consideration the slow block time when it comes to transaction confirmations compared to altcoins that have much faster block times. The fairest test for bitcoin withdrawals is to check how soon the node of the destination wallet discovers the transaction and adds it as an unconfirmed incoming transaction. Transaction confirmations, as you know, can take x minutes even if you overpay massively and the next block can still be a long time away.

[notblox1]

When it comes to Bitcoin, you have to take into consideration the slow block time when it comes to transaction confirmations compared to altcoins that have much faster block times. The fairest test for bitcoin withdrawals is to check how soon the node of the destination wallet discovers the transaction and adds it as an unconfirmed incoming transaction. Transaction confirmations, as you know, can take x minutes even if you overpay massively and the next block can still be a long time away.

For bitcoin withdrawals I wanted to open all my accounts in different casinos and go to final step of withdrawal.
Than I would just paste the same address in all accounts and withdraw them with only second difference I need to click buttons.
Or I could just get help from someone in my home to click with me in the same time, to speed up more.

[Pmalek]

For bitcoin withdrawals I wanted to open all my accounts in different casinos and go to final step of withdrawal.
Than I would just paste the same address in all accounts and withdraw them with only second difference I need to click buttons.
Or I could just get help from someone in my home to click with me in the same time, to speed up more.

The withdrawal process isn't the same for all casinos. You don't have to do them all at once. It might even be difficult to keep track of what is what.
Some casinos require email confirmation before accepting the withdrawal request of the player. Some have 2FA, others don't. Some accept a withdrawal the moment you click the "withdraw" button without a second screen or pop-up for confirmation, others ask you to double-check your transaction details and confirm they are correct with a second click.

[Haunebu]

I have never experienced an instant withdrawal so far. I have seen quick withdrawals, but not instant and automated ones.

There are only a handful of crypto gambling sites out there that truly process instant(Seconds) withdrawals though only now and then. Sites like Megapari, Frogbet etc processed small to big withdrawals within seconds for me now and then for example.

For bitcoin withdrawals I wanted to open all my accounts in different casinos and go to final step of withdrawal.
Than I would just paste the same address in all accounts and withdraw them with only second difference I need to click buttons.
Or I could just get help from someone in my home to click with me in the same time, to speed up more.

Totally respect what you are trying to do here. Categorising withdrawal speeds of crypto gambling sites has always been a tricky endeavour due to their volatile behaviour.

[Pmalek]

Did some more research and I feel that Bets.io should be removed from this table since there is a big scam accusation against them that they have failed to address properly for a long while now thanks to which they received neutral feedback from Yahoo etc.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5579228.0

Their representative hasn't been active in the forum since July and Trustpilot stated that they breached their guidelines thanks to fake reviews. Apart from this, they also have multiple unresolved scam accusations on other sites.

I have looked into this case and wondered whether to keep Bets.io in the table or not. I have decided not to remove them for now. I am saying "for now" because I can still change my mind in the future.

Bets.io not responding to Casino Guru complaints is a bad look for them and a bad way to treat accusations. At the same time, they have had 25 complaints on AskGamblers and each one has been resolved. They seem to prefer that mediator platform for some reason and not paying attention to CG.

icopress ran their signature campaign and they stopped paying. The manager had to pay the participants out of his own pockets but they later compensated him for the money he spent. icopress hasn't tagged the casino for this and therefore it doesn't make sense for me to use that as an argument against them when making my decision. If he has no problems with them for failing to make timely payments, why should I?!

The player who created the scam accusation you linked to (johnstemple237) was asked by icopress to present his case to AskGambers multiple times and he was avoiding to do that. He later said they rejected his case but he never posted any proof that he applied or proof that it was rejected. My gut feeling tells me that there is more to this story than the accuser is presenting to the public. I don't believe in his innocence or at least his complete innocence. It's possible that I am wrong, of course.

[Haunebu]

I have looked into this case and wondered whether to keep Bets.io in the table or not. I have decided not to remove them for now. I am saying "for now" because I can still change my mind in the future.

Bets.io not responding to Casino Guru complaints is a bad look for them and a bad way to treat accusations. At the same time, they have had 25 complaints on AskGamblers and each one has been resolved. They seem to prefer that mediator platform for some reason and not paying attention to CG.

icopress ran their signature campaign and they stopped paying. The manager had to pay the participants out of his own pockets but they later compensated him for the money he spent. icopress hasn't tagged the casino for this and therefore it doesn't make sense for me to use that as an argument against them when making my decision. If he has no problems with them for failing to make timely payments, why should I?!

The player who created the scam accusation you linked to (johnstemple237) was asked by icopress to present his case to AskGambers multiple times and he was avoiding to do that. He later said they rejected his case but he never posted any proof that he applied or proof that it was rejected. My gut feeling tells me that there is more to this story than the accuser is presenting to the public. I don't believe in his innocence or at least his complete innocence. It's possible that I am wrong, of course.

Understood! Your reasoning makes sense. Thing is I tend to check the average reviews across reviews across multiple platforms for any site and Bets.io has major issues within this forum, reddit, Trustpilot and Casino.Guru which is why I made that suggestion.

AskGamblers did review them well, but that's just 1 site and I never rely only on one site. John might not be totally innocent indeed, but neither is this site since there are other accusations to consider. Anyway, that's just my reasoning.

[Pmalek]

Understood! Your reasoning makes sense. Thing is I tend to check the average reviews across reviews across multiple platforms for any site and Bets.io has major issues within this forum, reddit, Trustpilot and Casino.Guru which is why I made that suggestion.

AskGamblers did review them well, but that's just 1 site and I never rely only on one site. John might not be totally innocent indeed, but neither is this site since there are other accusations to consider. Anyway, that's just my reasoning.

I don't take Trustpilot seriously. Both positive and negative reviews can be manipulated or paid for. I don't know why they don't participate in mediation cases on Casino Guru but get active when a complaint is raised on AskGamblers. It's a mystery only they can solve. Perhaps they simply don't care if their reputation goes down the drain or they don't have the manpower to handle everything. icopress might know more about why they decided to mess up the signature campaign in the way they did. I welcome him to say a few words if he wants to.

[Catenaccio]

I don't take Trustpilot seriously. Both positive and negative reviews can be manipulated or paid for. I don't know why they don't participate in mediation cases on Casino Guru but get active when a complaint is raised on AskGamblers. It's a mystery only they can solve. Perhaps they simply don't care if their reputation goes down the drain or they don't have the manpower to handle everything. icopress might know more about why they decided to mess up the signature campaign in the way they did. I welcome him to say a few words if he wants to.

I don't trust centralized review platforms too much but I read many complaints that TrustPilot has changed and become too biased with their reviews. Complaints say like reviews on TrustPilot can be easily bought and manipulated, and even I don't do my research about it, I value such complaints. It supports my own thinking that trusting centralized review platforms is a thing to avoid.

Writing this post, searching a bit and I found this article from TrustPilot. It's hard to believe that reviews there are neutral and not biased with spent money.
https://help.trustpilot.com/s/article/Do-businesses-pay-to-use-Trustpilot?language=en_US

[notblox1]

I don't take Trustpilot seriously. Both positive and negative reviews can be manipulated or paid for.

I agree with this, but I am still reading what people wrote on website trustpilot pages.
Some services I used gave me link to post honest feedback on their trustpilot page, but I never did it because I dissnt want to create another account just for that purpose.

The withdrawal process isn't the same for all casinos. You don't have to do them all at once. It might even be difficult to keep track of what is what.
Some casinos require email confirmation before accepting the withdrawal request of the player. Some have 2FA, others don't. Some accept a withdrawal the moment you click the "withdraw" button without a second screen or pop-up for confirmation, others ask you to double-check your transaction details and confirm they are correct with a second click.

All good points, and I have to think more about those variables.
I dont want to stray away from your topic even if they are somehow related, so I created new topic and we can move disccussion there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5597588