[POLL] Do vaccines kill people?

[Quickseller]

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According to the news, it was even in United States alone that over 4100 death were recorded, that means more death would be recorded in the world generally. I even thought the blood clotting adverse effect which was reported not common did not lead to death, thinking it will be impossible for few people not to die among millions of people given the vaccine. Although, not all will be linked to the vaccine.

A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

It will really be interesting to know if the blood clotting caused by the vaccine is the reason for some or most of the infrequent death or not, this now makes me to be afraid of taking any of the vaccine.

It is likely that certain groups of people are more likely to develop serious adverse reactions to the vaccine. There is some data that suggests that people who recently were infected with covid are at higher risk for some adverse reactions. If you currently have covid, the vaccine is not going to do anything for you, so you should probably not get the vaccine.

Overall, the risk of death from the vaccine is orders of magnitude lower than from the risk of death from covid, even among the healthy. There is also the risk you will get seriously sick from covid, while this risk is basically non-existent for the vaccine.

As previously mentioned, if too many people decline to get the vaccine, you will either need to get the vaccine or eventually get covid.   

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[tvbcof]

This study (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005) looked at the rate of blood clots between the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and COVID infections.
That latest data from the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html) also estimates the rate of blood clots with the "high risk" J&J vaccine.
Here are the numbers:

Pfizer/Moderna: 4.1 cases per million people
AstraZeneca: 5 cases per million people
J&J: 7 cases per million people
COVID: 39 cases per million people

Don't want a blood clot? Great! Get the vaccine. It reduces your risk of blood clots by between 80-90%!

Sounds like a real sound couple of 'studies' you got there.  Pffft.

Read a little bit of the first one.  Oxford studied the the Oxford/AstraZenea vaccine in the U.S. and found no blood related issues caused by AstraZeneca because no AstraZeneca was given there.  Anyone see a problem here....a couple of problems actually.  I'll leave it to the reader.

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I mean, that's categorically not what it says, but don't let facts get in the way of your nonsense opinions. Why change the habit of a lifetime.

[BADecker]

More proof, plus realistic estimates of how many died from Covid, so far, in the USA.


VACCINE HOLOCAUST now accelerating: VAERS data show nearly 4,000% increase in vaccine deaths in 2021 (so far) vs. the entire year of 2020

According to government data published at VAERS.hhs.gov, just 82 people died in 2020 after being vaccinated. But so far in 2021, there are 3,317 deaths that have been reported following covid-19 vaccinations.

That’s an increase of nearly 4000%, and we’re barely into the second quarter of 2021 (versus the entire year of 2020).

Less than half of the US population has been vaccinated so far, which means as that number increases, the deaths will increase, too. If this trend continues, we are likely to see somewhere between 12,000, – 15,000 post-vaccine deaths reported to the VAERS system by the end of calendar 2021.

Here’s the VAERS data captured on May 6th, 2021, when searching for “death” following vaccination:



Informed medical observers note that VAERS only captures anywhere from 1% to 10% of actual deaths or symptoms, which means that, reasonably, anywhere from 33,000 to 330,000 Americans have already died after taking covid-19 vaccines.

And the murderous vaccine industry is just getting warmed up.

It’s likely that 50,000 Americans have already been killed by covid vaccines

So far, they’ve only managed to vaccinate the “low-hanging fruit” of oblivious, gullible Americans who are too stupid to realize the government is lying to them. Now, they’re meeting so-called “vaccine hesitancy,” and they’re rolling out financial rewards, free beer and other silly incentives to try to inject another few million Americans who are dumb enough to trade their lives for a free beer. (It’s not free then, is it?)

My well-educated guess is that right now, covid-19 vaccines have likely killed around 50,000 Americans. This puts the covid vaccine on par with the number of Americans killed in the entire Vietnam War. That makes sense because the vaccine industry is waging war on humanity, and by the time they’re done, they hope to exterminate billions.

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[suchmoon]

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You're underestimating it... according to my scientific research 1/3 are dead, so out of ~150 million vaccinated in the US alone, ~50 million must have died by now. On the other hand, apparently they are still able to use the internet so it's not a big deal really.

[BADecker]

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You're underestimating it... according to my scientific research 1/3 are dead, so out of ~150 million vaccinated in the US alone, ~50 million must have died by now. On the other hand, apparently they are still able to use the internet so it's not a big deal really.

Thanks for the encouragement. From https://www.openvaers.com/, "12,261 DEATHS"... with the notation that, "VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1%* of vaccine injuries." In other words, this is a CDC report.

At https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/death-stats, "COVID Vaccine Data - Through April 23, 2021 - Deaths: Total 3544." Adding in the fact that only 1% are reported... you calculate it.


You don't like what the CDC is telling you, do you! You believe them about Covid. Why not the vaccines?

And then you want to pick on poor little me, because you can't wrap your genitals head around the info. You seem to be even more retarded than f1.

[suchmoon]

You don't like what the CDC is telling you, do you! You believe them about Covid. Why not the vaccines?

And then you want to pick on poor little me, because you can't wrap your genitals head around the info. You seem to be even more retarded than f1.

Speaking of CDC:

Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.  Get the latest safety information on the J&J/Janssen vaccine. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

You have conveniently ignored two facts about VAERS: it's an open system where anyone can report anything, and it does not necessarly mean that the vaccine was actually the cause of those adverse events. Add to that the clearly made up 1% figure and you got a full-blown conspiratardery.

Do yourself a favor, try some actual math. Like: out of 150 million vaccinated individuals, assuming a 0.8% annual death rate, how many would have died the next day for reasons unrelated to the vaccine?

[BADecker]

You don't like what the CDC is telling you, do you! You believe them about Covid. Why not the vaccines?

And then you want to pick on poor little me, because you can't wrap your genitals head around the info. You seem to be even more retarded than f1.

Speaking of CDC:

Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.  Get the latest safety information on the J&J/Janssen vaccine. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

You have conveniently ignored two facts about VAERS: it's an open system where anyone can report anything, and it does not necessarly mean that the vaccine was actually the cause of those adverse events. Add to that the clearly made up 1% figure and you got a full-blown conspiratardery.

Do yourself a favor, try some actual math. Like: out of 150 million vaccinated individuals, assuming a 0.8% annual death rate, how many would have died the next day for reasons unrelated to the vaccine?

Precisely. Time for you to look at the CDC and realize that it is made up of loads of doctors who don't necessarily agree with what the CDC officially publishes.

With regard to the type of idea vaccines is, consider the CDC comorbidity report about 94% dying from comorbidities rather than Covid. The whole CDC is simply an open report that jumps this way and that. In the same way that they say that people dying of Covid when they are really dying of comorbidities, in that way the people are dying of the vaccine rather than something else. Or vice versa if you want to go that route.

Your picking and choosing to believe one thing but not another is totally anecdotal... unscientific.

[suchmoon]

Your picking and choosing to believe one thing but not another is totally anecdotal... unscientific.

Incorrect. There is no picking and choosing necessary, all your made-up nonsense is nonsense. But if you want to dispute CDC findings, you should probably start by reviewing "available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records" instead of grabbing one number that you like and making up a story about it.

[OgNasty]

Vaccines don't kill people, people kill people.

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Something wrong here. If a vaccinated person died, how could he vote to let you know?

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Whooosh...

[tvbcof]

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Something wrong here. If a vaccinated person died, how could he vote to let you know?
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Whooosh...

That's a good reflection of modern 'science' in our current devolution into scientism.

No studies are allowed to cast doubt on vaccines because 'vaccine hesitancy' is one of the chief world-wide security issue facing humanity.  So says the WHO.  Because of this no officially stamped studies show any issues with the so-called 'vaccines'.  Ergo, there is no 'evidence' of any problems.

[Natsuu]

i am from africa and in my country since i was born i already had many vaccines:

1 - I had a vaccine against tetanus

2 - I got a flu vaccine

3 - I got a tuberculosis vaccine

4 - I got a measles vaccine

5 - I got a vaccine against iminigitis

here in my country it is mandatory that as soon as the person has just been born, he / she starts to be vaccinated and follows a strict vaccination schedule

and I never heard of cases of death because of these vaccines, the case of covid vaccines may have some exceptions, but they are not cases to create conspiracy theory

Whoops, we got a primary source in here, will somebody be brave enough to contradict his statement and say that vaccines is not necessary and will just kill you ...

[Vatimins]

     Deaths are bound to happen when a vaccine is made in a hurry and is still on the early stages. People responsible may deny it but it is pretty clear that these vaccines were half baked. The good news though, is that this pandemic has been long enough and have made a lot of test subjects for these vaccines which is why the rate of the people who are dying because of the vaccines or are connected to the vaccination shots have reduced. It is a risk but something that desperate people are willing to take specially if you are a frontliner or have people you care about, getting vaccinated is just unavoidable. Good thing there are quite a few choices available for people who want to be vaccinated. I just don't know if such choices are available anywhere in the world.

[BADecker]

i am from africa and in my country since i was born i already had many vaccines:

1 - I had a vaccine against tetanus

2 - I got a flu vaccine

3 - I got a tuberculosis vaccine

4 - I got a measles vaccine

5 - I got a vaccine against iminigitis

here in my country it is mandatory that as soon as the person has just been born, he / she starts to be vaccinated and follows a strict vaccination schedule

and I never heard of cases of death because of these vaccines, the case of covid vaccines may have some exceptions, but they are not cases to create conspiracy theory

Whoops, we got a primary source in here, will somebody be brave enough to contradict his statement and say that vaccines is not necessary and will just kill you ...

Many people have loads of car accidents, and never get hurt... but some people die the first time. If they keep getting in accidents, one of those accidents will get them... sooner or later.

[Natsuu]

i am from africa and in my country since i was born i already had many vaccines:

1 - I had a vaccine against tetanus

2 - I got a flu vaccine

3 - I got a tuberculosis vaccine

4 - I got a measles vaccine

5 - I got a vaccine against iminigitis

here in my country it is mandatory that as soon as the person has just been born, he / she starts to be vaccinated and follows a strict vaccination schedule

and I never heard of cases of death because of these vaccines, the case of covid vaccines may have some exceptions, but they are not cases to create conspiracy theory

Whoops, we got a primary source in here, will somebody be brave enough to contradict his statement and say that vaccines is not necessary and will just kill you ...

Many people have loads of car accidents, and never get hurt... but some people die the first time. If they keep getting in accidents, one of those accidents will get them... sooner or later.

Ohhhhh so its not intentional then, cause its accident, good to know  

[BADecker]

Many people have loads of car accidents, and never get hurt... but some people die the first time. If they keep getting in accidents, one of those accidents will get them... sooner or later.

Ohhhhh so its not intentional then, cause its accident, good to know  

Absolutely. By the way most people drive, it's purely an accident that they don't get into accidents.

So, it's purely an accident that they live for a few months, or a year or two after they get vaccinated.

[romero121]

I haven't got vaccinated, but from the people living in my locality I'm stating the effects they felt after vaccination. There is severe body pain, and within two weeks time she got affected by covid-19. But, doctors mentioned the vaccine had helped them resist and hasn't affected the lungs. With another person he have got a block in heart, and this is mentioned as the side effects of the injection. I'm not sure, whether it is true or not.

One of my brother got vaccinated once after getting cure from covid-19. He also said about the body pain and tired feeling. After the vaccination he continues his work as nurse serving covid-19 patients.

[dongyi17]

First I'm afraid to vaccinate, because of many news around the world have side effects after their inject the vaccine. But many doctors said that's is normal, many vaccinated have some mild side effect then their gone, they said if you have other sickness its better to tell them before you vaccinate.

[Kittygalore]

First I'm afraid to vaccinate, because of many news around the world have side effects after their inject the vaccine. But many doctors said that's is normal, many vaccinated have some mild side effect then their gone, they said if you have other sickness its better to tell them before you vaccinate.

Yeah it is scary at first since the effectivity is not yet perfected but look at us right now, Polio, diptheria, Tetanus, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Rubella, Hib, Measles, and Rotavirus would still be a problem and a lot of people are dying to this if we didn't have vaccines made against it. Don't be scared to get vaccinated, you are probably safe.