[POLL] Do vaccines kill people?

[BADecker]

Do vaccines kill people?


The CDC through VAERS says that the vaccines kill people. But they only list the ones who died within a weak or two after being vaccinate. The 250 million who will died from the vaccine over the next 5 years in the US... well, it's going to be a little more difficult to determine if the vaccines killed them, or if virus shedding did it. It will really be difficult if 90% of the virus/vaccine researchers are in that 250-million group.

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[suchmoon]

The 250 million who will died from the vaccine over the next 5 years in the US...

I'd offer you a bet but 5 years from now you will probably claim that there are 250 million zombies in the US.

Your detachment from reality is utterly amazing.

[BADecker]

The 250 million who will died from the vaccine over the next 5 years in the US...

I'd offer you a bet but 5 years from now you will probably claim that there are 250 million zombies in the US.

Your detachment from reality is utterly amazing.

Oh, I'm just copying what Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, said (sort of) at the Natural News websitesite. Come back in 5 years and let's see. You were vaccinated, weren't you? Well, I guess you don't have to come back.

Check the website for the many links.


BOMBSHELL: Connecticut govt. secretly tells health care workers covid vaccines are DEADLY, but withholds the same information from the public

Today we bring you a shocking true story about covid-19 vaccines, the government of Connecticut, and an open admission that vaccines contain dangerous, even deadly substances (spike proteins) that are documented and known to cause vascular damage to human beings.

It’s all admitted right in the open, in these Connecticut government documents shown below, which admit these vaccines can be fatal. The original documents used in this research may be found at the following links: (all PDF docs)

Pre-vaccination screening form – V20 – Connecticut government website

Covid-19 vaccine ingredients list and spike protein propaganda – Connecticut government website

Since Connecticut may remove these documents in order to hide the truth, we are also mirroring these documents at NaturalNews.com servers:

Pre-vaccination screening form – V20 – Natural News mirror
Covid-19 vaccine ingredients list and spike protein propaganda – Natural News mirror

Connecticut admits covid vaccines contain spike proteins, then claims they are harmless even while the Salk Institute confirms they can be deadly

In these documents, you will find astonishing admissions from the Connecticut government. For starters, review the graphic below which shows the Connecticut government falsely claiming the vaccine spike protein is “a harmless protein,” even while the Salk Institute’s own published research reveals, “the protein damages cells.”

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Check the website for the many links.

BOMBSHELL: Connecticut govt. secretly tells health care workers covid vaccines are DEADLY, but withholds the same information from the public[/b]

Today we bring you a shocking true story about covid-19 vaccines, the government of Connecticut, and an open admission that vaccines contain dangerous, even deadly substances (spike proteins) that are documented and known to cause vascular damage to human beings.

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Technically not true.  At least per the theory of operation.

Theses gene therapies supply instructions via one method or another to induce your bodies own cells to produce spike proteins.  Bigger 'bang for the buck' that way.  That's certainly not a 'better' thing!

In theory the mRNA ones (Pfizer, Moderna) cause the creation of a maximum amount of spike protein depending on the individual's rate of pickup, then the process ceases.

The DNA vaccines (AstraZeneca, J&J, Sputnik-V) have the cell machinery make the mRNA also so there is yet another mechanism for things to run away.  Most of the 'self-amplifying RNA' mechods (e.g., Imperial Collage London's) didn't get injected...for this first round...

It's pretty clear that 'spike protein' is bad poo-poo.  Now that we know that at least some of what we consider 'covid' is lab created specifically for this scamdemic, it is extra interesting that it's been all about 'spike protein, ACE-2, spike protein, ACE-2, spike protein, ACE-2' from day 1 of this scamdemic.  It's especially interesting that spike protein is in a class of molecules which are particularly important to placental mammals.

[BADecker]

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By and large, no one’s going to mind that s-proteins are not friendly to vascular cells however COVID19 left no option but vaccination which accustoms the immune system to withstand infection.  The bottom line here is  that the amount of those s-proteins inside the vaccinated body is way more reduced  compared with infected one. So vascular diseases will affect mostly those who are infected with COVID19.

But you really need to think about this a little. Let's say there were about 400,000 US Covid deaths in 2020. I could look up the number, but it's around there.

Then - search and you can easily find it - the CDC said that 94% of the Covid deaths were with comorbidities. This means a lot of stuff. It means that somebody might have almost been dead from cancer, and they tested him for Covid, found that he had a little of it, and blamed the Covid rather than the cancer. But there might have been anything that caused him to die at the time he did... even a medical medication mistake (chemo).

The point is, the 94% were going to die anyway, and so its just a judgmental thing that says that they died of Covid. And the CDC asked/told doctors to announce that it was Covid as much as they could. That's old news.

The point is that with the 94% dying of other things, or dying of we-know-not-what for sure, there's only 6% that we know that died of Covid. That's only 24,000 deaths from Covid in 2020.

Now here's the trick. Many of the Covid deaths were by ventilator. Doctors didn't use their heads and simply feed people oxygen. Rather, they used ventilators to force oxygen into the lungs that had already become delicate organs from the Covid problem, thereby killing them way ahead of what Covid would have done. Somebody might have the stats for this somewhere, but a whole bunch of the 24,000 were killed by the medical.

What this means is that way less people died from Covid that the 24,000. The big 400,000 is just some stuff that sits there because the CDC isn't straight out in the open clear with anybody. But way more people died from the flu every year than that. When you put your thinking cap on, you see that Covid ain't nuthin'.

And when you add to the whole idea that the medical shut down or deceived about HCQ and Ivermectin and Budesonide - all of which cure Covid symptoms in a few days - and instead foisted a stupid non-vaccine on us, calling it a vaccine so that they can't be sued if it harms anybody, you finally start to realize that the whole medical system is a bunch of corrupt liars, with a handful of honest, ignorant, unthinking doctors in the group.

There essentially isn't any Covid except in words. That's it. In fact, there is so much more that can be added to this, that if people had their heads screwed on, they would rise up and destroy the whole medical operation.

[suchmoon]

The point is, the 94% were going to die anyway

False. There is a large number of excess deaths (more people dying in 2020 and 2021 than is normal). And it's close to the reported number of COVID-19 deaths. And I'm sure you've been already told about this many times but you still haven't come up with a sufficiently wacky conspiracy theory to "explain" it. Disappointing.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count

[o_e_l_e_o]

Nah, in BADecker's world if you have high blood pressure or hypothyroidism or asthma or gout or a thousand other things and you die two weeks after catching COVID, then it was actually your comorbidity which killed you, even though you would have lived another 40 years with your comorbidity, and therefore you "were going to die anyway" and so your death doesn't matter.

[BADecker]

Nah, in BADecker's world if you have high blood pressure or hypothyroidism or asthma or gout or a thousand other things and you die two weeks after catching COVID, then it was actually your comorbidity which killed you, even though you would have lived another 40 years with your comorbidity, and therefore you "were going to die anyway" and so your death doesn't matter.

Nah, in o_e_l_e_o's world, all these little problems people have are suddenly comorbidities. Bit by a mosquito? Just another o_e_l_e_o comorbidity. Lost some hair shampooing? Simply another o_e_l_e_o comorbidity.

I suppose it's always possible for o_e_l_e_o to wake up and find out what a comorbidity really is. The question is, When? Probably, same as the rest of the doctors playing the Covid game.

Talked to a friend, yesterday, whose wife is a professional nurse. She says that doctors where she works are rapidly going down hill regarding quality. o_e_l_e_o is simply more proof.

[Gyfts]

Nah, in BADecker's world if you have high blood pressure or hypothyroidism or asthma or gout or a thousand other things and you die two weeks after catching COVID, then it was actually your comorbidity which killed you, even though you would have lived another 40 years with your comorbidity, and therefore you "were going to die anyway" and so your death doesn't matter.

There's a point to be made there when you look at the data though. If there's a death of an 80 year old that dies of an upper respiratory disease who also happens to have cancer, obesity, hypertension, and all the rest, should that death be tabulated the same way as someone who is 35, healthy, and dies of the same disease?  There was this recent study that looked at comorbidities - https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity. It's true that Americans are disgustingly unhealthy so everybody probably has an underlying condition that shouldn't be blamed for the death in all cases, but it also highlights the point that generally Covid is not dangerous to people that are healthy.

[BADecker]

Nah, in BADecker's world if you have high blood pressure or hypothyroidism or asthma or gout or a thousand other things and you die two weeks after catching COVID, then it was actually your comorbidity which killed you, even though you would have lived another 40 years with your comorbidity, and therefore you "were going to die anyway" and so your death doesn't matter.

There's a point to be made there when you look at the data though. If there's a death of an 80 year old that dies of an upper respiratory disease who also happens to have cancer, obesity, hypertension, and all the rest, should that death be tabulated the same way as someone who is 35, healthy, and dies of the same disease?  There was this recent study that looked at comorbidities - https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity. It's true that Americans are disgustingly unhealthy so everybody probably has an underlying condition that shouldn't be blamed for the death in all cases, but it also highlights the point that generally Covid is not dangerous to people that are healthy.

Yikes! The USA is a dangerous place to live. And that's without BLM and Antifa threats.

Belize and Panama are a couple of good countries to live in. And both of them don't require a lot to get permanent residence. In addition, many of the South American countries are easy-ish... to get residency or citizenship in. And ask tvbcof how easy the Philippines is. And Elwar can tell you how much fun Thailand is if you don't try seasteading only 13 miles off their shores.

[suchmoon]

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity. It's true that Americans are disgustingly unhealthy so everybody probably has an underlying condition that shouldn't be blamed for the death in all cases, but it also highlights the point that generally Covid is not dangerous to people that are healthy.

So if no one is healthy then it's dangerous to everybody?

The point is that those 94% would have lived if not for COVID-19. Some may have lived longer, some not so long, but that can be said about any cause of death. IIRC 85%+ of cancer deaths have comorbidities. Does that mean cancer is not dangerous to healthy people?

[Gyfts]

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity. It's true that Americans are disgustingly unhealthy so everybody probably has an underlying condition that shouldn't be blamed for the death in all cases, but it also highlights the point that generally Covid is not dangerous to people that are healthy.

So if no one is healthy then it's dangerous to everybody?

The point is that those 94% would have lived if not for COVID-19. Some may have lived longer, some not so long, but that can be said about any cause of death. IIRC 85%+ of cancer deaths have comorbidities. Does that mean cancer is not dangerous to healthy people?

That's true that people would live longer if it wasn't for Covid. But, we have the data and we know what age demographic Covid is dangerous to, so it helps us understand what factors would make you more vulnerable. There has to be a reason why older folks die at a higher rate than younger folks. What causes this? Significant comorbidities. Weakened immune system? Both?

This isn't so applicable to the NA/EU region, but take India for example. The vaccine rollout should *probably* be given based on age and common comorbidities. Age is technically easier to verify, so that's probably why many places did a rolling vaccine release starting from the oldest and moving its way down, but there's also been plenty of countries that would give out its vaccine to younger folks granted they had some sort of preexisting condition that was significant. If you can isolate the most common comorbidities, it gets easier to target the vaccine. Plus, you figure some of the anti-vaxers would be more inclined to get the vaccine knowing that their heart disease and diabetes increases their chance of death (wishful thinking, I know).

The link I posted above about 94 percent having comorbidities isn't the only consideration because you can't isolate comorbidities and age so it is misleading if used as a standalone figure. I haven't looked too much into this, but if someone has the data for older people without preexisting conditions, I'd be interested in what their survival rate looks like to those in the same age group with preexisting conditions. Same goes for younger people, but the data seems a bit hard to find. I haven't bothered to research intensively though so it may be out there.

[BADecker]

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity. It's true that Americans are disgustingly unhealthy so everybody probably has an underlying condition that shouldn't be blamed for the death in all cases, but it also highlights the point that generally Covid is not dangerous to people that are healthy.

So if no one is healthy then it's dangerous to everybody?

The point is that those 94% would have lived if not for COVID-19. Some may have lived longer, some not so long, but that can be said about any cause of death. IIRC 85%+ of cancer deaths have comorbidities. Does that mean cancer is not dangerous to healthy people?

But we don't know that. They would have lived a whole lot easier without the cancer, etc. They would have lived even with major Covid without the stupidity of the doctors. The straw that broke the camel's back wasn't even Covid among most of them. Many of them would be alive today with HCQ + zinc, and 40-50 thousand units of vitamin D, daily.

Of all the comorbidities, the doctors and the CDC protocols are the biggest comorbidity. Oh sure. Your average doctor doesn't mean to be that way. He's simply been duped by a bunch of hogwash from the CDC leaders and Big Pharma.

You have it way backwards. That wouldn't be so bad, but yo0u seem to like it that way.

[Gyfts]

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity. It's true that Americans are disgustingly unhealthy so everybody probably has an underlying condition that shouldn't be blamed for the death in all cases, but it also highlights the point that generally Covid is not dangerous to people that are healthy.

So if no one is healthy then it's dangerous to everybody?

The point is that those 94% would have lived if not for COVID-19. Some may have lived longer, some not so long, but that can be said about any cause of death. IIRC 85%+ of cancer deaths have comorbidities. Does that mean cancer is not dangerous to healthy people?

But we don't know that. They would have lived a whole lot easier without the cancer, etc. They would have lived even with major Covid without the stupidity of the doctors. The straw that broke the camel's back wasn't even Covid among most of them. Many of them would be alive today with HCQ + zinc, and 40-50 thousand units of vitamin D, daily.

Of all the comorbidities, the doctors and the CDC protocols are the biggest comorbidity. Oh sure. Your average doctor doesn't mean to be that way. He's simply been duped by a bunch of hogwash from the CDC leaders and Big Pharma.

You have it way backwards. That wouldn't be so bad, but yo0u seem to like it that way.

Hydroxychloroquine never worked.

Aside from Trump suggesting that shoving a light bulb up your ass would cure Covid, I never got why he latched on to hydroxychloroquine.

[BADecker]

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity. It's true that Americans are disgustingly unhealthy so everybody probably has an underlying condition that shouldn't be blamed for the death in all cases, but it also highlights the point that generally Covid is not dangerous to people that are healthy.

So if no one is healthy then it's dangerous to everybody?

The point is that those 94% would have lived if not for COVID-19. Some may have lived longer, some not so long, but that can be said about any cause of death. IIRC 85%+ of cancer deaths have comorbidities. Does that mean cancer is not dangerous to healthy people?

But we don't know that. They would have lived a whole lot easier without the cancer, etc. They would have lived even with major Covid without the stupidity of the doctors. The straw that broke the camel's back wasn't even Covid among most of them. Many of them would be alive today with HCQ + zinc, and 40-50 thousand units of vitamin D, daily.

Of all the comorbidities, the doctors and the CDC protocols are the biggest comorbidity. Oh sure. Your average doctor doesn't mean to be that way. He's simply been duped by a bunch of hogwash from the CDC leaders and Big Pharma.

You have it way backwards. That wouldn't be so bad, but yo0u seem to like it that way.

Hydroxychloroquine never worked.

Aside from Trump suggesting that shoving a light bulb up your ass would cure Covid, I never got why he latched on to hydroxychloroquine.

Those who use HCQ in Africa for malaria, and find that they barely have any Covid at all... they'll simply laugh at you. But even if HCQ, or Ivermectin, or vitamin D, and loads of other therapies - like Budesonide - didn't work, they are way better for you than the vaccines.

Check out the many links at the website, and the emphases, as well.


Horrifying Bombshell! Connecticut Warns Moderna VAX Contains Deadly Poison

According to a Cayman Chemicals safety data sheet on SM-102, published in April of 2021, the substance is "For research us only, not for human or veterinary use."

The safety data sheet also lists cancer, infertility, kidney, liver and central nervous system damage as possible health hazards.

The vaccine ingredient is said to be "Fatal in contact with skin," and "Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects."

A February article by American Chemical Society scientist Rumiana Tenchov provided further insight into the SM-102 lipid.

SM-102 is comprised of "heptadecan-9-yl 8-((2-hydroxyethyl)(6-oxo-6 (undecyloxy)hexyl)amino)octanoate."

In the article, the information scientist says, "lipid nanoparticles have an unwanted side-effect; they have the potential to induce an allergic reaction, particularly for those who suffer with severe allergies."

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[o_e_l_e_o]

Nah, in o_e_l_e_o's world, all these little problems people have are suddenly comorbidities. Bit by a mosquito? Just another o_e_l_e_o comorbidity. Lost some hair shampooing? Simply another o_e_l_e_o comorbidity.

Well done. You've managed to construct your stupidest strawman yet.

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity.

Sure, some of these 94% people have advanced cancer and only had a life expectancy of a couple of months anyway, even though COVID expedited their deaths. But "comorbidity" also includes comorbidities that are completely manageable and people live their entire lives with before dying of something unrelated. If someone dies of sepsis, no one in their right mind says "Well, she was obese, so she would have died anyway". If someone dies of a heart attack, no one in their right mind says "Well, he had asthma, so he would have died anyway". But for some reason, this is fine with COVID, as if having any kind of comorbidity whatsoever means your life isn't worth living.

Many of them would be alive today with HCQ + zinc, and 40-50 thousand units of vitamin D, daily.

Cool opinion, bro. A single shred of evidence to back this up? No? Didn't think so.

[BADecker]

Nah, in o_e_l_e_o's world, all these little problems people have are suddenly comorbidities. Bit by a mosquito? Just another o_e_l_e_o comorbidity. Lost some hair shampooing? Simply another o_e_l_e_o comorbidity.

Well done. You've managed to construct your stupidest strawman yet.

94 percent of Covid deaths have a comorbidity.

Sure, some of these 94% people have advanced cancer and only had a life expectancy of a couple of months anyway, even though COVID expedited their deaths. But "comorbidity" also includes comorbidities that are completely manageable and people live their entire lives with before dying of something unrelated. If someone dies of sepsis, no one in their right mind says "Well, she was obese, so she would have died anyway". If someone dies of a heart attack, no one in their right mind says "Well, he had asthma, so he would have died anyway". But for some reason, this is fine with COVID, as if having any kind of comorbidity whatsoever means your life isn't worth living.

Many of them would be alive today with HCQ + zinc, and 40-50 thousand units of vitamin D, daily.

Cool opinion, bro. A single shred of evidence to back this up? No? Didn't think so.

Well, you don't really present evidence in an Internet forum. The best you do is present links to the evidence.

In your discussions with tvbcof alone, you have seen all kinds of evidence. But if you really WANT evidence, you can find loads of it here - https://thehighwire.com/ - and here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/.

Was wondering if you get sand in your eyes, nose, and mouth when you stick head in hole.

[o_e_l_e_o]

No no no, you misunderstand. I said evidence, not the insane ramblings of far right conspiracy nuts on their vlogs. You know, randomized control trials, meta-analyses, systematic reviews, that kind of thing.

[BADecker]

If you don't look, you'll never find the difference between the ramblings and the evidence, or the proof, that Del Bigtree offers. But you have to be serious about it. You won't find anything worthwhile if you go in with the idea that there isn't any evidence or proof.



EDIT: I'll even be specific. Get on The Highwire email list, and every Monday, Del's people will send you the links to the actual studies that contradict what much of medical is saying. Many of these studies come from the CDC and the NIH.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Del's people will send you the links to the actual studies that contradict what much of medical is saying. Many of these studies come from the CDC and the NIH.

Cool, you must have the links to these studies then. Post them here.