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Author Topic: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.  (Read 3003 times)
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July 19, 2021, 02:38:09 PM
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I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.

Precisely because the vaccines have not been completely clinically proven, they have only been approved for use on a conditional basis.
People know about it and do not want to vaccinate, because why risk it if they are not at risk age and most of them pass covid without symptoms at all.
For the government, however, it is far more profitable to spend $250,000 on encouraging rewards than on hospitalization.

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July 19, 2021, 03:14:51 PM
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I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.
Yeah, it's really hard to trust the vaccines right now because they might have any hidden effects soon and it's really dangerous if it has.

But right now it's really hard to live in this world knowing that anytime, COVID-19 will reach you and can cause death so it's really advisable to take vaccines right now even we have trust issues with it.

So the government is spending a lot of time encouraging their people to vaccinate because the economy is really affected if the cases and death because of COVID-19 are increasing.
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July 19, 2021, 03:30:42 PM
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This is a typical example of positive reinforcement. The addition of a desirable or pleasant stimulus after a behavior. The desirable stimulus reinforces the behavior, making it more likely that the behavior will reoccur. You get vaccinated, there's a high chance of getting rewarded, in this case monetary and material reward. Who wouldn't love that. So, If the next fellow sees that his friend is getting a  PLN200, PLN500 or a motor vehicle for getting vaccinated, he goes to get the vaccine as well. Smart right?

The question I have to ask is why Pfizer 🤔

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July 19, 2021, 04:04:40 PM
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Sure. How could it be otherwise if one person has been in power for 20 years in a row? And by the way, I do not think that the authorities care much about the high mortality rate - in fact, the deaths of the elderly only increase the possibilities of the authorities as the number of pensioners is decreasing.

Once I used to admire Putin. But the more I hear about him, I realize that all that I heard earlier was just propaganda. Conservatives admire him, because they believe that he is against immigration and he cares about the native Russian people. But it took me two decades to realize that Putin's main support base consists of immigrants from Central Asia and Azerbaijan. And the final nail in the coffin was his behavior during the Nagorno Karabakh conflict, when he allowed the Azeris to conquer historical Armenian land. But it is sad that so many people are dying of COVID, despite the availability of vaccine. Perhaps it is OK to take the vaccine now, since the efficacy has been proven.
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July 19, 2021, 05:08:15 PM
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The second thing is, it's good that the government has found out a way to reward the citizens but wouldn't it be better if the government could reward a little amount to every citizen rather than every 500th or 2000th citizen to get vaccinated.
Most likely they considered this but consulted experts on the subject that told them it was better this way and it does not surprise me, people respond better to bigger prizes, if you were to give a small prize to a higher amount of people they will simply not think much about it since what they can gain is so small and it is not going to change their lives at all, but if you offer a big prize then people are going to get excited about getting it even if the odds are very low they actually do.
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July 19, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
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I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.
It's been said that the shots have some side effects.

But with those that I've seen, I've seen no bad effects including those that have the two doses. I've got friends too that have been shot and got fully vaccinated.

Well, I wish that they lived on Poland so they get a ticket.  Tongue


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July 19, 2021, 07:59:32 PM
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I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.
It's been said that the shots have some side effects.

But with those that I've seen, I've seen no bad effects including those that have the two doses. I've got friends too that have been shot and got fully vaccinated.

Well, I wish that they lived on Poland so they get a ticket.  Tongue
Side effects doesnt show up directly but lets hope that it wont. Smiley

Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined
are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.
Getting some lottery ticket for in exchange of your health isnt really that much appealing.

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July 19, 2021, 10:32:18 PM
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People massively refuse to get vaccinated for some reason, right? I think it is worth eliminating these reasons. The governments of most countries, WHO officials throughout the entire pandemic constantly lie to people and after that expect trust? This is really weird.
As you rightly noted, the restrictions introduced in the pandemic have caused devastating damage to the economy and people's lives, I think much more than the pandemic itself. And this also does not help citizens trust the authorities and rush to use hastily made vaccines.

There is no "massive" refusal. Even here in India, you won't find more than 5% or 10% of the population who hold that view. For the third world nations, the major issue is with the unavailability of the vaccine and not the refusal from certain sections to get vaccinated. But for the government, this 5%-10% figure is a very big number. Because it hinders the required coverage to attain herd immunity. And I don't think that there was a better option other than imposing the restrictions. Countries such as Brazil and Sweden (which refused to impose restrictions) paid a massive price in terms of loss of lives. 
I don't know, mate, I wish I could say the same about my country. I guess the fact that things are going very bad in India, which people around can see with their own eyes, is enough for people to believe in the dangerousness of this disease and to stand in lines for a vaccinations. In countries with smaller incidence and death rate people still think that coronavirus isn't any more dangerous than a seasonal flu, many believe in conspiracies, and, as a result, more than 50% of the population refuse to take a shot (that's the real number in my country).
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Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.

Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

I don't find a country that is mandating their people to have a vaccine shot. Or if any, maybe the situation is really worst and can't be controlled. That's why we can see lots of offered perks and benefits for those who will undergo a vaccine shot.

If that is mandated then there's no need for perks to encourage people because even they don't want to be vaccinated or not, they have no choice but to follow the law. I'm really confused so I will wait for your response. Smiley
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That lottery really helps their lives to survive in this pandemic because we know that many people lost their job and many of them suffer because of the search for a new job. But people in other places can not do anything if their government can not do the same thing as what Poland's government did. But people should feel their government trying to concern with their health by giving the vaccine to them to prevent the infection. This pandemic really makes us sad because some of us lost our family, relation, and we still do not know when this will be over. But I believe that the pandemic will end sooner or later and we still need to survive no matter how hard it is.
Actually, lottery has always been in demand by many people, but with the current situation where most people are experiencing financial difficulties.
Lottery offers from the government are sure to get people excited, and the Polish government understands that. Therefore, to make the Polish
population willing to be injected with the vaccine, and also on the other hand the Polish government wants to help the population's finances through
the lottery. In this way two goals can be achieved, this is a very smart idea in my opinion. Hopefully, many other countries will follow it. Because
this pandemic has gone on for too long in my opinion, everyone is very tired, I also hope the pandemic can end soon.
It is a smart way to attract people who are willing to be injected with the vaccine and with difficulty searching for the money, which can open their eyes that the lottery can help them survive after vaccination. If all vaccinated people can get the incentive, that will really help them and people will not feel jealous of the winner because they will get the incentive.

Suppose the other countries can see that this can give awareness to their people about the importance of the vaccine while getting the money after the vaccinated. In that case, the number of people who want to get vaccinated will increase. Once the government sees the increases in the number of people who get inject, hopefully, that can prevent the virus transmission among them.

Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.

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Sure. How could it be otherwise if one person has been in power for 20 years in a row? And by the way, I do not think that the authorities care much about the high mortality rate - in fact, the deaths of the elderly only increase the possibilities of the authorities as the number of pensioners is decreasing.

Once I used to admire Putin. But the more I hear about him, I realize that all that I heard earlier was just propaganda. Conservatives admire him, because they believe that he is against immigration and he cares about the native Russian people. But it took me two decades to realize that Putin's main support base consists of immigrants from Central Asia and Azerbaijan. And the final nail in the coffin was his behavior during the Nagorno Karabakh conflict, when he allowed the Azeris to conquer historical Armenian land. But it is sad that so many people are dying of COVID, despite the availability of vaccine. Perhaps it is OK to take the vaccine now, since the efficacy has been proven.

I do not want to go offtopic, but I can confirm that the local population under Putin is dying out at an accelerated pace (even according to official statistics, which are completely false). As for the fight against the pandemic, it has completely failed and this is the government's fault. By the way, initially they generally denied it and constantly discredited any foreign vaccines. It is not surprising that after that the population does not believe in the effectiveness of the domestic vaccine either.

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Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.

Oh Yes! safety protocols should be the priorities beforehand, those who will participate needs to have face shields and Mask to lessen the chance of this

spread while waiting for their turns, the lottery may attract larger amount of people it's best to anticipate and have a better plans.

Good to see that in order to gather those people to participate this Polish government find interesting way to attract their attentions, just need
to make sure that everything are working together to ensure the safety of all those people who will gather around,.

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This is a typical example of positive reinforcement. The addition of a desirable or pleasant stimulus after a behavior. The desirable stimulus reinforces the behavior, making it more likely that the behavior will reoccur. You get vaccinated, there's a high chance of getting rewarded, in this case monetary and material reward. Who wouldn't love that. So, If the next fellow sees that his friend is getting a  PLN200, PLN500 or a motor vehicle for getting vaccinated, he goes to get the vaccine as well. Smart right?

The question I have to ask is why Pfizer 🤔
Probably some executive in Pfizer is a friend of the executive in the lottery in Poland so that's one of the many speculative reason or probably because of the data that Pfizer had on it's effectivity that they were chosen. I think that this positive reinforcement is a good one because it helps with the bolstering the number of people getting vaccinated.
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I do not want to go offtopic, but I can confirm that the local population under Putin is dying out at an accelerated pace (even according to official statistics, which are completely false). As for the fight against the pandemic, it has completely failed and this is the government's fault. By the way, initially they generally denied it and constantly discredited any foreign vaccines. It is not surprising that after that the population does not believe in the effectiveness of the domestic vaccine either.

Somewhere I read that there were around 30 million excess deaths (over births) among the native Russian population, during the three decades after 1992. Overall, there is no decrease in the total population, because almost 30 million foreigners have migrated to Russia during the same period (half of them being ethnic Russians and the other half being Central Asian).



One of the reasons why the Poland government is going ahead with this is because counterfeit copies of the Pfizer vaccine has been seized in that country. Therefore a lot of people are hesitant in taking the vaccine. Details here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-56844149
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Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.
Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.
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Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.
Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.
Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

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Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

Not mandated but the government is eager to let everyone get involve in taking the vaccines from where am I now, though unlike Poland where they are offering this lottery,

Here there's none but the hope that vaccines will be embrace to lessen the chance of more spread of this virus. I agree that it's up to the people whether he'll take the vaccine or not, part of his right for whatsoever reason there are still people who don't believe with this virus.

Social medias and those news that circulating all over the internet are mostly influenced the decision of those who still un-vaccinated.

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Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

Not mandated but the government is eager to let everyone get involve in taking the vaccines from where am I now, though unlike Poland where they are offering this lottery,

Here there's none but the hope that vaccines will be embrace to lessen the chance of more spread of this virus. I agree that it's up to the people whether he'll take the vaccine or not, part of his right for whatsoever reason there are still people who don't believe with this virus.

Social medias and those news that circulating all over the internet are mostly influenced the decision of those who still un-vaccinated.
If they werent serious then they wont really mind on taking actions or showing of some concerns on how they would treat out their citizens and also its also a privileged for those

people who do get a chance on getting a ticket after doing a thing which is really also protecting their lives and thinking or seeing the whole picture then its really a win-win situation for the citizen.

They are really just too paranoid when it comes to side effects as if they are minding that much off that those things will kill them.

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July 20, 2021, 10:44:13 PM
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They say that Vaccination is mandatory but at the same time do everything to push you to vaccinate. It's not right, isn't it discrimination when the taxes are collected from everyone and you only make free lottery for those who vaccinate? It's not really fair. Now some countries push the society to vaccinate by pushing business/companies to do everything to make work impossible for unvaccinated people. What a shame!

- Why the prize pool is only limited to Pfizer vaccine? So if someone got another vaccine like moderna or spotnick he won't be eligible for win ?
As I know it's hard for countries to get the Pfizer vaccine and I don't think they have a surplus of it (idk to be fair) but I also don't know whats wrong with Moderna? I understand that Sputnik V is a Russian vaccine and Poland people don't like Russia but what's wrong with other vaccines for them?


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July 20, 2021, 11:58:16 PM
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Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.
Oh Yes! safety protocols should be the priorities beforehand, those who will participate needs to have face shields and Mask to lessen the chance of this

spread while waiting for their turns, the lottery may attract larger amount of people it's best to anticipate and have a better plans.

Good to see that in order to gather those people to participate this Polish government find interesting way to attract their attentions, just need
to make sure that everything are working together to ensure the safety of all those people who will gather around,.

Health protocols must be strictly enforced and violators should be given sanctions. so those who will queue to get the vaccine can be orderly.
It is also possible for the Polish government to limit the number of people who will be vaccinated, and also vaccine injection can be in several
places to avoid crowds. One more important thing there must be strict supervision from the Polish government for the authenticity of the vaccine
to be given to the population, because in my country there are those who replace injectable vaccines with other fluids, because the price of
vaccines is now quite expensive, so be a good business.

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