You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.

[goinmerry]

Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .

Mate, you are misinformed. Medical experts won't just create a vaccine that will just minimize the effect of those who contradicts it. Aside from boosting the immune system, it will also reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

That's my thinking before but after some good talks and conversations with our friends in the health and medical field, I've now been more informed and that's the reason why I undergo a vaccine and also encourage people (not forcing them) to have it with or without perks from and benefits like a lottery or something else.

[Fredomago]

And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.

It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.

It gives cnfidence but with the new variant it's still better to continue following the safety protocols. I see your point though and with this vaccines it helps improving your immune system to protect you much better than those who haven't got the shots.

Poland government is doing their best to help their people not to make things more complicated, while giving them also a chance to win
good amount of money from the vaccine's maker.

[snipie]

Have you ever heard about Marek's disease (chicken)? And the history of vaccination against it? Vaccination has led to the emergence of stronger strains and now, without vaccination, birds are guaranteed to die (before vaccination, nothing like this happened). Please look for information about this and tell me your opinion (I will not give you links as I read about it in my native language).
As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths (which were mentioned above) even close.

By the way, as a supporter of world vaccination, you must have heard that many countries do not accept each other's vaccines? For example, in mine, all vaccines are prohibited except for our local ones (which are shit).

I will start with the fact that countries not accepting each other vaccination. This is partially true and politically motivated. France (mainly) hates Russia and China so they were blocking the introduction of these vaccine in Europe. I will not deny that Russia didn't show the whole study to proof the efficiency of its vaccine but this was not the case for Chinese ones. They even attacked directly European countries that imported Russian/Chinese vaccines. Chinese one was accepted by WHO BTW..
To answer the first statement with an example as you did but applicable for human, how much vaccine we have until now for infectious diseases? It depends from countries for sure but many have dozen obligatory vaccines. Did you hear about smallpox? Polio?...etc
The virus mutate naturally so it is normal to find it mutating in vaccinated people and will continue to mutate until we stop its wide spread. If we can blame something for vaccination is the fact that contributed to the huge rise of World population and the shift of classic death from infectious diseases to cardiovascular ones. BTW KTChampions, I am not talking like that as an ordinary person but as someone who has enough experience in this field

[dunfida]

And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.

It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.

Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .

Do you have any proof with this?

People had already taken the vaccine would turn out to be asymptomatic? Yeah, we are aiming for immunity and cure but i dont really believe on this stuff.This is why

i do really ask out for some source basing on what you do have said.Vaccine is for sure but it turns out that people are too paranoid when it comes to side effects.

[KTChampions]

Have you ever heard about Marek's disease (chicken)? And the history of vaccination against it? Vaccination has led to the emergence of stronger strains and now, without vaccination, birds are guaranteed to die (before vaccination, nothing like this happened). Please look for information about this and tell me your opinion (I will not give you links as I read about it in my native language).
As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths (which were mentioned above) even close.

By the way, as a supporter of world vaccination, you must have heard that many countries do not accept each other's vaccines? For example, in mine, all vaccines are prohibited except for our local ones (which are shit).

I will start with the fact that countries not accepting each other vaccination. This is partially true and politically motivated. France (mainly) hates Russia and China so they were blocking the introduction of these vaccine in Europe. I will not deny that Russia didn't show the whole study to proof the efficiency of its vaccine but this was not the case for Chinese ones. They even attacked directly European countries that imported Russian/Chinese vaccines. Chinese one was accepted by WHO BTW..
To answer the first statement with an example as you did but applicable for human, how much vaccine we have until now for infectious diseases? It depends from countries for sure but many have dozen obligatory vaccines. Did you hear about smallpox? Polio?...etc
The virus mutate naturally so it is normal to find it mutating in vaccinated people and will continue to mutate until we stop its wide spread. If we can blame something for vaccination is the fact that contributed to the huge rise of World population and the shift of classic death from infectious diseases to cardiovascular ones. BTW KTChampions, I am not talking like that as an ordinary person but as someone who has enough experience in this field

Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.

[STT]

What Poland is trying to do is entirely sensible, part of why a vaccine works is it stops the spread and mutation and repeated threatened effects that occur from constant circulation.   People who refuse and keep storing via a relay the virus in the community unfortunately increase the time there is a threat overall.     Approaching Winter there is a normal threat of flu to old people and also increasing threat from the cold and people staying indoors more so; a program to increase the take up of a vaccine is entirely sensible & fiscally justifiable in giving prizes vs the cost to society and economy overall from less activity and likely lower tax revenue ie. its a valid investment.

As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths

The latest strain spreads more easily, maybe twice as easily which is bad but the actual survival rate is the same so far as I know which is some small comfort.
India and every country has advantages to its particular make up and India has one of the lowest average ages to their population world wide so I agree. Its very unlikely the majority will really suffer as badly as say Japan could do with their average age being massively high, it could devastate that country.   Obviously deaths will occur but India should be able on average to last with health less damaged, the best thing they can do is separate out and have the young take the majority of risk in terms of transmission obviously there is a shortage of vaccine so there is no ideal fix.

[harizen]

Those who aren't in favor of the vaccine (not here in the forum but people around me) are saying negative views about it on which in the first place, it should be out of their league since are they aren't even health experts or working in the health industry field? What I mean is, how can they conclude that vaccine is just an all-around sh*t?. And this encouragement offered by the government is even considered as sh*t also.

There is no 100% protection against the virus, even the vaccine. However, at least it gives up some boost to our immune system alongside our own ways of healthy living. Better than f*uc*ing nothing. People from other countries are even lucky to have a good supply. If you don't want that, tell your government to just donate it to those poor countries.

For those people who don't want to get vaccinated, it's better if they will just do some less talk since, after all, they are not forced to undergo vaccine.

The Poland government is doing its best to educate people while at the same time, offering something good in return. That was a great and good initiative towards their people.

[blockman]

And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.

It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.

Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .

I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?

[snipie]

Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.

Mount Everest is the tallest so theoretically harder and more dangerous to climb, in fact K2 which is shorter, is worst to climb and more deadly.
Vaccine isn't invented to kill the virus, it just contains a part of it to allow our bodies to recognise it faster once it enters so our immune system will be prepared and effective. It is like knowing your enemy in advance in a battle so you can prepare yourself and build a better strategy. Weak/strong vaccines? It all depends from the virus itself, how fast it mutates and whether it is human only or can infect animals too. Eradicating a human only transmitted disease is possible but requires a lot of vaccination efforts and years, many years of patience.
Back to my first example about mountains, I just want to point that without studies and experiments, we will keep thinking what should look obvious, but in fact it is not.

Edit: I don't want to continue discussing this here since I feel we get off topic, personally I rarely talk about vaccination, everyone is free to do whatever they want, they just have to assume the consequences of their actions towards themselves, their families, their friends, colleagues, pregnant and fragile people that was on contact with them directly or indirectly.

[OgNasty]

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

[rodskee]

I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?

I think you are the one who misunderstood the vaccine mate , Even if you are not prone from severe hospitalization and not to be affected bad by the virus yet the Virus you can carry are the same on what virus carried by non vaccinated.

Means vaccinated or not we can carry a Virus that can badly effect those non vaccinated.

So this runs that never be confident if we have already a vaccine because the spread will not stop unless all the people become immune by having a vaccine.

[Sithara007]

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Biometrics needs to be given, right? Pfizer vaccine is essentially a mRNA vaccine, so taking multiple shots should not result in any serious complication. Most of the recipients suffer from mid fever and body-pain, which will be gone in a couple of days. Here in India, an ID document needs to be submitted before the vaccination. Most of us opt for the Aadhar card, which contains biometrics such as fingerprint and retina scan. So it is very difficult to get a jab using fake identification. Don't know how the things are in Poland. But I don't think that it will be easy to get a jab with fake ID.

[jaberwock]

I understand that "anti-vaxx" became a thing lately in the world, people were denying vaccination for the most common stuff, hell even measles became a thing again because of these people.

However humanity is not ready for anti vaxx people to start debating if we should be getting covid vaccination or not, the other smaller stuff we can handle few not vaccinated but this is huge, we are talking about 4+ million people dead because of it, the alternative is there, we know what happens when you are not vaccinated, the results are clear, we lived a whole year without them and the result was 4+ million deaths, anyone who doesn't get vaccinated is basically saying "I am going to survive, screw everyone else" which is not even guaranteed, you may die, but even in case that you do not, that still means that you are fine with one year 4+ million death scenario, because that is what we got from covids first year which was without any vaccination. There is ZERO alternatives to vaccination, it is just death all around you.

[KTChampions]

Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.

Mount Everest is the tallest so theoretically harder and more dangerous to climb, in fact K2 which is shorter, is worst to climb and more deadly.
Vaccine isn't invented to kill the virus, it just contains a part of it to allow our bodies to recognise it faster once it enters so our immune system will be prepared and effective. It is like knowing your enemy in advance in a battle so you can prepare yourself and build a better strategy. Weak/strong vaccines? It all depends from the virus itself, how fast it mutates and whether it is human only or can infect animals too. Eradicating a human only transmitted disease is possible but requires a lot of vaccination efforts and years, many years of patience.
Back to my first example about mountains, I just want to point that without studies and experiments, we will keep thinking what should look obvious, but in fact it is not.

Edit: I don't want to continue discussing this here since I feel we get off topic, personally I rarely talk about vaccination, everyone is free to do whatever they want, they just have to assume the consequences of their actions towards themselves, their families, their friends, colleagues, pregnant and fragile people that was on contact with them directly or indirectly.

Ok, back to the lottery (by the way, I don't see any news in this thread about how it actually goes)  
Everything else can be talked about later, since in fact now no one knows what is happening and what kind of behavior will be best for everyone. I hope we will all be safe and sound and then we can discuss this pandemic as a past disaster.

[michellee]

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Biometrics needs to be given, right? Pfizer vaccine is essentially a mRNA vaccine, so taking multiple shots should not result in any serious complication. Most of the recipients suffer from mid fever and body-pain, which will be gone in a couple of days. Here in India, an ID document needs to be submitted before the vaccination. Most of us opt for the Aadhar card, which contains biometrics such as fingerprint and retina scan. So it is very difficult to get a jab using fake identification. Don't know how the things are in Poland. But I don't think that it will be easy to get a jab with fake ID.

The government will identify their citizen's ID and make sure that the vaccine can be given to the right person. The government will have a database of its people. Those who register their ID with the government will get a call from the government to get vaccinated. In the place or hospital, people need to reregister before they get vaccinated. I think the government will use the same method to define who is the winner of the lottery to give to the right person. But I do not think that people will want to try to get vaccinated repeatedly because that can give them a side effect on their bodies.

[snipie]

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

[Fredomago]

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

I like the idea since it's reality that there is gambling addicted people who will see this as an opportunities to have a much wider chance winning the lottery, sad to say that people out of greed for money can harmed themselves and very much willing to gamble with this kind of opportunities.

We don't know though if how Poland government handle this in terms of verification, to make sure that only one time / 2 completed shots per person are allow, nothing more for the sake of securities.

[blockman]

I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?

I think you are the one who misunderstood the vaccine mate , Even if you are not prone from severe hospitalization and not to be affected bad by the virus yet the Virus you can carry are the same on what virus carried by non vaccinated.

Means vaccinated or not we can carry a Virus that can badly effect those non vaccinated.

So this runs that never be confident if we have already a vaccine because the spread will not stop unless all the people become immune by having a vaccine.

With the first sentence, you've said, there's already a conflict. As you said, it's going to help you avoid severe hospitalization if you ever catch the virus again. And it's about your protection when you get vaccinated, who cares about the nonvaccinated ones? if they do not get their own doses, they're the ones that are putting their lives on the line so it's their problem not the problem of those who are already vaccinated. And in the last sentence you've said, it's about immunity and it is why everyone has to be vaccinated which what you have said is really conflicting and contradicting.

[bryant.coleman]

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.

[michellee]

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.

They can not impersonate their family members with their ID because the government will prevent it by re-registering before people get vaccinated. It can break the law and maybe they will get in jail for some time or pay the fine because of doing that. I am lucky not to get any bad effects after being vaccinated. I get Pfizer too, but I feel only sleepy for two days and after that, I do not get any effect. But the effect will be different from the other people because I have friends and other family members who get different effects although they get Pfizer.