[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Caleb Plant

[Kasabus]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

[Jating]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

If he beat Caleb Plant then he has clean this division already. But he also said that this is his weight classes. So we really don't know for sure if he is still willing to move up to LHW, although he had done it before and beat Kovalev. There are 2 champions that are waiting for him, Bivol and Beterviev, but those two are non-American and not that popular so if the money might not be there. But it will be a good fight for sure for Canelo for either one of those champions.

[Kittygalore]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

You're really mad of Canelo mate, might take a backseat and chill for awhile because you might get the wrong and end up with nothing but disappointment. Look at the skills of the two and compare them, you can't wish someone to lose if you know that they're somehow better than their opponents right? Give credit where credits due.

[Hypnosis00]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

You're really mad of Canelo mate, might take a backseat and chill for awhile because you might get the wrong and end up with nothing but disappointment. Look at the skills of the two and compare them, you can't wish someone to lose if you know that they're somehow better than their opponents right? Give credit where credits due.

There's no evidence that the cheating happened, it's just speculation and some fans see that way as they are biased, so they'll not appreciate a specific fighter. Canelo maybe has not faced an opponent like GGG after their fight, but let's give him the credit for winning most of his fights easily because he has been training hard to improve and develop his skills.

The loss to Mayweather was a wake-up call for him, if they'll meet again, I'm sure Canelo will teach that runner a lesson.

[coin-investor]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

[goinmerry]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd).

That's a big accusation. I don't know on what part Canelo cheated but their fight was intense.

Maybe you are reading speculations and controversies much rather than the technical side. I like to have their rematch too to finally closed the door. Better to place a bet on Caleb Plant if you don't like Canelo. The odds are attractive and worth risking a bet. Who knows upset will happened.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

GGG is an old man now. The fans were robbed of the opportunity to see the trilogy. If they fought again I wouldn't expect it to be competitive. GGG has not been very active in recent years and Canelo has moved to higher weight classes.

[Kemarit]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd).

That's a big accusation. I don't know on what part Canelo cheated but their fight was intense.

Maybe you are reading speculations and controversies much rather than the technical side. I like to have their rematch too to finally closed the door. Better to place a bet on Caleb Plant if you don't like Canelo. The odds are attractive and worth risking a bet. Who knows upset will happened.

Maybe he was referring to their first fight wherein it was a draw and majority thinks that GGG did enough to win the fight. And then in the second fight, it was really close and it can go either way. But Canelo was the winner and then GGG wanted a trilogy, actually it was very close to happen until Canelo bolted out Oscar Dela Hoya Golden Boy promotions.

[Dave1]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

GGG is an old man now. The fans were robbed of the opportunity to see the trilogy. If they fought again I wouldn't expect it to be competitive. GGG has not been very active in recent years and Canelo has moved to higher weight classes.

And in GGG last fight, we has not that sensational anymore, so maybe Alvarez has taken something out of GGG in the second fight because he was not the same fighter anymore. And he is about 40 years old already, we have seen Pacquiao fighting at 42 and it didn't look good.

So I agree that it won't be as competitive as before since father time is also catching up with GGG and we all know that no one can beat it, no matter how great you are specially in boxing.

[Sithara007]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd).

That's a big accusation. I don't know on what part Canelo cheated but their fight was intense.

Maybe you are reading speculations and controversies much rather than the technical side. I like to have their rematch too to finally closed the door. Better to place a bet on Caleb Plant if you don't like Canelo. The odds are attractive and worth risking a bet. Who knows upset will happened.

My statements are not based on any news article. I am a big fan of GGG and I watched both matches live. I was also following the scorecard provided by CBS Sports and other third parties. At the end of the fight, GGG was ahead on everyone's scorecard. Compubox had GGG winning 10 out of the 12 rounds. But to our surprise, the judges scored the fight in a different way. Dave Moretti had GGG at 115 and Canelo at 113. Don Trella had it 114-114. And the surprise package was Adalaide Byrd, who scored the fight 118–110 for Canelo. I believe that Byrd was not watching the same fight everyone else was watching. Even if it was a close fight (which I am not going to agree), how can anyone have a score of 118-110?

[Jawhead999]

My statements are not based on any news article. I am a big fan of GGG and I watched both matches live. I was also following the scorecard provided by CBS Sports and other third parties. At the end of the fight, GGG was ahead on everyone's scorecard. Compubox had GGG winning 10 out of the 12 rounds. But to our surprise, the judges scored the fight in a different way. Dave Moretti had GGG at 115 and Canelo at 113. Don Trella had it 114-114. And the surprise package was Adalaide Byrd, who scored the fight 118–110 for Canelo. I believe that Byrd was not watching the same fight everyone else was watching. Even if it was a close fight (which I am not going to agree), how can anyone have a score of 118-110?

It's not robbed nor cheated score, but it's more depends how the judge gave the score based on his view/point. I was shocked too about the 118-110 score which is Canelo really dominating the fights for 10 rounds, because when I watch the match it's really close fight (it's up to you do determine whether close or not). But Canelo still deserve the win, his straight punch is more accurate to GGG face and has a lot power compared GGG gave more punches to Canelo but not so accurate.

More over, if Adalaide Byrd is not fair and not professional as a judge of course she will get fired, but the fact isn't.

There's still a chance Caleb Plant could win on this match, but it's just a little opportunity I guess.

[finist4x]

After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

[LogitechMouse]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

Seems like you are holding a bit of grudge against Alvarez mate . No worries since its your opinion.
I don't think though that a 3rd match between them will happen again but it would be good if we see them fight again for the third time.

Well after the Saunders fight, it seems that it is the main plan of Alvarez. To unify all the belts and now he is one win away before achieving that. I just watched some of the highlights of Plant and he is a sneaky counter puncher and good in defending himself too thru head movement - the same as what Alvarez was doing in his past fights. TBH, its really hard to predict who can win but it seems like Alvarez again is the favorite to win on this match.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

We saw how Ugas maximized his arm span and length when he fought Pacquiao. Jabs, jabs and more jabs.
This might happen to this fight too. Not necessarily jabs but Plant will maximize his length and reach advantage for sure. On the other hand, I know that Alvarez can adjust to it and he also defeated fighters who are taller and have a longer reach than him. Still, its hard to predict who will win because both of them are strong.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

No, I don't think it will have a significant impact on the fight. Caleb Plant might have a advantage with his reach, but the question is how can he effectively use it against Alvarez who also have a superb head movement. Kovalev at LHW has also that same advantage but Canelo nullified it with superior timing. Saunders also did that in the beginning, but the uppercut put a dent on his eye because of Canelo's power.

[Pamadar]

After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

No, I don't think it will have a significant impact on the fight. Caleb Plant might have a advantage with his reach, but the question is how can he effectively use it against Alvarez who also have a superb head movement. Kovalev at LHW has also that same advantage but Canelo nullified it with superior timing. Saunders also did that in the beginning, but the uppercut put a dent on his eye because of Canelo's power.

Alvarez still in his prime he's only 31 years old, and that reach advantage won't have that much impact.

 unlike with how Pacquiao and Ugas where the age gap really plays the big role, as even Pacquiao still have
Those heavy punches but his speed is no longer the same. I just remembered how Ugas use the reached advantage
over Pacquiao and he really done it well to win the fight.

[Kasabus]

Not a big fan of Caleb Plant, but I want him to win this match. Canelo cheated GGG of victories not once, but twice (with some help from subhuman judge Adelaide Byrd). Anyway, in this case Plant is from the United States, and I expect the judges to be more neutral. For him, this is the biggest fight so far in his career. BTW, I guess this is the first time we are having a four-belt unification fight, after a long duration (for any weight category). Currently Josh Taylor (Light welterweight) is the only boxer who have managed to unify all the four belts. BTW, there are rumors that Alvarez may move to light heavyweight after this fight.

I guess a lot of us would also disagree that Canelo cheated GGG, that was a close fight and I think Canelo deserves that win. We want to see the 3rd match, but it seems like it's not gonna happen but what Canelo has been showing, he showed dominance in boxing and if GGG and Canelo will fight for the 3rd time, I guess Canelo has the edge as he is the younger fighter and a more active one.

I saw the two fights and I'm not a fan of both fighters but I agree with the decision of the judges on both fights the first and the second match, it's a close fight and the fight could go either way, it's on the appreciation of the judges but yeah I agree on you that there should be a third match to settle once and for all and there's a possibility of a fourth match if GGG wins but Canelo is on another level now.

It was a split decision, so it was really close, as a fan, we could be biased because we are seeing a close fight, but the judges, know better as that is their job, so we have to respect the outcome of the fight. Besides, Canelo is not undefeated, he lose against Mayweather via Unanimous decision and that's his only lose in his career, and yet he still become one of the best fighters in our generation now.

[aioc]

After the defeat of Billy Joe Saunders in the fight with Canelo, bookmakers no longer believe
that the Mexican star can be stopped by at least someone in the middle division.

Plant is 12 centimeters taller than his opponent, and his arm span is 9 centimeters larger.
I wonder if the parameters can affect the chances of winning?

No, I don't think it will have a significant impact on the fight. Caleb Plant might have a advantage with his reach, but the question is how can he effectively use it against Alvarez who also have a superb head movement. Kovalev at LHW has also that same advantage but Canelo nullified it with superior timing. Saunders also did that in the beginning, but the uppercut put a dent on his eye because of Canelo's power.

It will have a significant impact if Plant knows how to use this advantage remember Mayweather beat him by exploring his advantage, Floyd is good defensively and perfects offensively, if he can polish his defense he has a good chance, style makes a fight as they say Plant should be ready to employ different styles and be ready go toe to toe like what GGG did, Canelo is good predator he is good at trapping his opponent.

[bisdak40]

It will have a significant impact if Plant knows how to use this advantage remember Mayweather beat him by exploring his advantage, Floyd is good defensively and perfects offensively, if he can polish his defense he has a good chance, style makes a fight as they say Plant should be ready to employ different styles and be ready go toe to toe like what GGG did, Canelo is good predator he is good at trapping his opponent.

Yeah, I agree that Caleb Plant should make use of his advantages but unfortunately, that advantage of him is not like that of Mayweather. The latter has lateral speed and footwork thus Canelo was having a hard time hitting Mayweather.

Unless Plant has that advantage, there is a chance that he can upset Canelo but going toe to toe might be a dangerous plan for him as Canelo is well known to have a granite chin and Plant might be the one to go down if this scenario happens in the ring.

[South Park]

~snip

They still have time to practice some kind of unique skills to surprise each other because as we saw yesterday, an unexpected strategy is the most effective one. No matter how good your opponent if you come with a nice and smooth strategy that will leave him clueless to counter, he won't gonna beat you, or you might end up winning with TKO because upsets will make your opponent lose control of the fight.

Not really in my opinion, this isn't an eSports, what they need to do is outsmart each other because this match and I suppose every boxing match is a mind game that can make someone win if they are successful outsmarting them, of course the punches and endurance are a part of it too but dumb punches don't win matches.

Skills and knowledge about how your opponents fought, this has big impacts in every fight.

Whoever fighter inside the ring they are all after the lapses coming from their opponents, once they've seen a good opening they will grab it immediately knowing that it won't be always there for them, both fighters have that capabilities to win only fans and analyst gives their own opinions about the fighter but if chance gives them some good insight, they will take it down to win the fight.

In the words of the legendary Mike Tyson ‘Everybody has a plan until they are punched in the mouth’ this is why predicting the outcome of a fight is always difficult as a single punch can be more than enough to change the whole fight, and what better example than the Ruiz vs Joshua fight in which Ruiz connected Joshua with a punch behind his ear and since that moment Joshua was unable to recover and this created one of the biggest upsets during this decade.

[harizen]

Unless Plant has that advantage, there is a chance that he can upset Canelo but going toe to toe might be a dangerous plan for him as Canelo is well known to have a granite chin and Plant might be the one to go down if this scenario happens in the ring.

Agree. Every possible way to defeat Canelo needs risky actions - fight the guy within his comfort zone and try to find a hole to pinned him down. It's no secret that fighting Canelo in close combat is like saying "no choice" although Caleb surely knows that and already plans on how to at least takes advantage against Canelo.

Caleb knows the distance between him and Canelo so surely he's been in the situation already that he undergoes a brainstorming on how to defeat the dominant Canelo and try to upset the fight.