[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[goinmerry]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

You can read on the post by Kemarit, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5361289.msg58277454#msg58277454
Based on the post, the fight could potentially happen before the end of the year, the target date is December 11, 2021 but there's no confirmation yet.

And good news also because it looks like it will be a double header of both champions defending their respective title.

IIRC, that date was for Casimero vs Inoue and not with Butler. Casimero has told that before when there's no order yet from the WBO about this match.
He said that date exactly when people asked him when he and Inoue match will happen. But if they're with the same management and Casimero has said the same date before but now with a different opponent, I think that there's really a match on that date before and Casimero anticipated that it's going to be with Inoue but just replaced and switched by the WBO. Let's move forward to that date if that's going to happen.

According to the article here last October 8th and 22nd, the clash between Casimero and Butler will happen on December 12. It's a replacement fight for the supposed schedule fight of Casimero and Inoue.

https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/22/casimero-arrives-in-us-for-title-defense-vs-butler/
https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/08/december-11-set-for-casimero-butler-in-dubai-or-liverpool/

The date is already set and the only thing that is not sure at this moment is the venue, either in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates or Liverpool in the United Kingdom.

[LUCKMCFLY]

This is going to be a very easy fight for Casimero. Butler is just a food served on a plate for Casimero. I predict this will be a walk in the park for him. But he should still be in his perfect form when facing Butler to avoid possible upset.

Hopefully it will be an easy fight for Casimero, just like you said so that he can rest his body on to the next fight with either Donaire or Inoue. But boxer with Casimero's experience knows that there's no walk in the park fight.

This fight will be like his warm up fight for a possible bigger match right after. There might still be a Casimero vs. Donaire or even Casimero vs. Naoya Inoue after this battle. So he should be prepared and come strong in this conditioning match.

Again, it really up to Casimero to still prepare hard and not underestimate Butler. He is the mandatory so for sure he is also very durable fighter as he made it to the number 1 contender category.

At this point I already catalog this fight as favorable for Casimero, I would never say that Butler is weak or that he is below him, the mere fact of thinking that the statistics are reviewed by Butler, as an athlete and high performance athlete wants to change those numbers, in addition to that in boxing the reputation of each boxer is everything and it is what makes it possible to give more excitement for everyone.
Regarding Donaire, I think he has a tough time against Gaballo, it is not sure who can win now, depending on how things are going, both Casimero and Gaballo in both fights can turn out to be favorites, but these are just numbers, in the ring anything can pass, despite everything in this fight I lean towards Casimero, but it is a risk to take, Butler can surprise.

[blockman]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

You can read on the post by Kemarit, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5361289.msg58277454#msg58277454
Based on the post, the fight could potentially happen before the end of the year, the target date is December 11, 2021 but there's no confirmation yet.

And good news also because it looks like it will be a double header of both champions defending their respective title.

IIRC, that date was for Casimero vs Inoue and not with Butler. Casimero has told that before when there's no order yet from the WBO about this match.
He said that date exactly when people asked him when he and Inoue match will happen. But if they're with the same management and Casimero has said the same date before but now with a different opponent, I think that there's really a match on that date before and Casimero anticipated that it's going to be with Inoue but just replaced and switched by the WBO. Let's move forward to that date if that's going to happen.

According to the article here last October 8th and 22nd, the clash between Casimero and Butler will happen on December 12. It's a replacement fight for the supposed schedule fight of Casimero and Inoue.

https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/22/casimero-arrives-in-us-for-title-defense-vs-butler/
https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/08/december-11-set-for-casimero-butler-in-dubai-or-liverpool/

The date is already set and the only thing that is not sure at this moment is the venue, either in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates or Liverpool in the United Kingdom.

Thanks, mate. That's a good source so that's what happened upon the address and confirmation of Casimero before with the date that he's said which should be with Inoue.
It's been now changed for the match of Butler. About the venue, I think that they should choose the country that don't have that much restriction.

[Silberman]

This will also prove that if in case Casimero is the real deal. So yes, he should fight whoever is challenging him for the belt. Like Pacquiao, he was not choosy with his opponents, even if those previous opponents were really of big advantage over him. So what Casimero needs to do is beat all those boxers who are good in his division. If he will emerge winner in every match, then, we will know  his true power inside the ring.

Casimero doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does. This Butler fight is mandatory for him to fight and if he chooses not to fight then WBO will strip him of the belt but Casimero has no such plan, in fact, he is already in the US preparing for this fight. The reason why he is calling out some names in his division is that if those names fight him, that could be a lucrative fight for him money-wise.

Casimero is not getting younger, though he has the belt the amount of money he receives as a purse is just a penny compared to what has Manny Pacquiao received during this time of his career.

I do not think it is necessary for Casimero to call out his opponents, right now I am seeing a very strong tendency for the public to want to see unification fights, having 4 champions one for each of the important boxing organizations is ridiculous, people want to see who is the best and that means fights among those champions, so sooner or later Casimero vs Inoue will happen, it is just that instead of seeing it right away we are going to need to wait a little bit for that to happen.

Not a guarantee but if he do able to retain those wins specially if its mandated then there would be always a possibility.We are all anticipating for this fight since last year as I remember.

Mandatory fights had been always come next in line which means that theres nothing we can do but for now lets wait up and see if things will
really be in order.

All that Casimero needs is to win up those fights that had been thrown into him and might reach up on Inoue on last part.

And as you state this is the problem with this tactic, promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money, but we must remember that in boxing everything can change with a single punch and we have seen instances in the past in which all of those plans were ruined because a challenger was able to beat one of the champions and all the hype was gone.

[chaser15]

promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,

Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

[mirakal]

With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.

[Kemarit]

promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,

Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

But I think they already have a date for this fight, maybe they are just settling for what venue is will be good to generate more money, US, Middle East or UK.

I don't think that sports right now are still affected by the pandemic, we are slowly going back pre-pandemic, with a lot of people getting vaccinated, and you just have to wear face mask and you are good to go and watch the live boxing event.

[molsewid]

Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

Due to the current situation there's no other option to do to promote the upcoming fight but to hype the game, which this is just stands for the marketing strategy of the WBO to cover the amount that the organization may spend to arrange the fight. And yeah I think there's a point that the promoters delay fights in order to hype the upcoming battle and there's nothing wrong about delaying the fight as long as it will be push through right, setting up a game is not easy and they need the reasonable amount of profit and hype the game to compensate those players.

[stadus]

With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.

If we saw the Sultan vs Caraballo fight, you can tell that they have the crowd needed already, so most likely this fight will have the crowd that is enough on their expectation. Don't worry it will be a successful fight where the boxers and the promoters will make money, but not the money that every boxer desired as the pot is very small and Casimero has no choice but to take it since it's a mandatory fight.

[Yamifoud]

With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.

If we saw the Sultan vs Caraballo fight, you can tell that they have the crowd needed already, so most likely this fight will have the crowd that is enough on their expectation. Don't worry it will be a successful fight where the boxers and the promoters will make money, but not the money that every boxer desired as the pot is very small and Casimero has no choice but to take it since it's a mandatory fight.

Is there any information that tells how much both make in this fight?

I mean, we can definitely measure where the revenue is coming if there's a full report, if there's none, then we won't be able to know if there's enough crowd that makes the fight earn good money because it's just pure speculation based on what we see, and of course we can't the audience.

[Silberman]

promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,

Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

Without a doubt it is a standard strategy that promoters use all the time, I am just pointing out that this strategy like almost any strategy that we can come up in any market has some flaws, a fighter no matter how good they are even if the odds of winning are clearly on their favor can always have a bad night while the opponent can give the fight of their lives and as such they lose, and then all the hype that was generated around the fighter dissipates and even worse it becomes disappointment as people realize he was not close to what the hype implied.

[freedomgo]

promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,

Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

Without a doubt it is a standard strategy that promoters use all the time, I am just pointing out that this strategy like almost any strategy that we can come up in any market has some flaws, a fighter no matter how good they are even if the odds of winning are clearly on their favor can always have a bad night while the opponent can give the fight of their lives and as such they lose, and then all the hype that was generated around the fighter dissipates and even worse it becomes disappointment as people realize he was not close to what the hype implied.

That's why betting on the underdog is profitable if you see the value of a fighter that could potentially beat the favorites. Oddsmakers just follow what the public thinks, and if a fighter is hyped enough then most probably the odds are overvalued which makes betting on the underdog more profitable.

[harizen]

With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.

But if I'm not mistaken, the United States is not an option for the venue. In some shared articles here on the thread, it's between Dubai or the United Kingdom. I don't know the status of the pandemic situation in Dubai and the UK but as we know. If only it will be on 100% the United States, there should be no problem about hyping the fight as no doubt they have better audiences even for a certain fight that is not popular.

[carlfebz2]

promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,

Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

Without a doubt it is a standard strategy that promoters use all the time, I am just pointing out that this strategy like almost any strategy that we can come up in any market has some flaws, a fighter no matter how good they are even if the odds of winning are clearly on their favor can always have a bad night while the opponent can give the fight of their lives and as such they lose, and then all the hype that was generated around the fighter dissipates and even worse it becomes disappointment as people realize he was not close to what the hype implied.

That's why betting on the underdog is profitable if you see the value of a fighter that could potentially beat the favorites. Oddsmakers just follow what the public thinks, and if a fighter is hyped enough then most probably the odds are overvalued which makes betting on the underdog more profitable.

Bookies do make out a business and its just understandable that they would be checking out communities interest and bets which they would consider out on how to set out those odds.It is obviously that theyre

trying out to make money as much as they can but there are instances on where underdogs could beat up the favorites and thats surely an expenses or minus on the revenue itself but they arent
that dumb on sticking on methods which they likely to benefit.

[chaser15]

Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

Due to the current situation there's no other option to do to promote the upcoming fight but to hype the game, which this is just stands for the marketing strategy of the WBO to cover the amount that the organization may spend to arrange the fight. And yeah I think there's a point that the promoters delay fights in order to hype the upcoming battle and there's nothing wrong about delaying the fight as long as it will be push through right, setting up a game is not easy and they need the reasonable amount of profit and hype the game to compensate those players.

That's what I'm pointing out and maybe the reason why still there's no formal official date. They want to build hype first before making a final decision.

Another thing, if venues from Dubai for example, are asking for more money, that's already an issue. Dubai is one of the countries that live in a luxury state. Those venues there are expensive and promoters will have a problem if the fight won't generate good revenue.

[agustina2]

This is going to be a very easy fight for Casimero. Butler is just a food served on a plate for Casimero. I predict this will be a walk in the park for him. But he should still be in his perfect form when facing Butler to avoid possible upset.

Hopefully it will be an easy fight for Casimero, just like you said so that he can rest his body on to the next fight with either Donaire or Inoue. But boxer with Casimero's experience knows that there's no walk in the park fight.

This fight will be like his warm up fight for a possible bigger match right after. There might still be a Casimero vs. Donaire or even Casimero vs. Naoya Inoue after this battle. So he should be prepared and come strong in this conditioning match.

Again, it really up to Casimero to still prepare hard and not underestimate Butler. He is the mandatory so for sure he is also very durable fighter as he made it to the number 1 contender category.

At this point I already catalog this fight as favorable for Casimero, I would never say that Butler is weak or that he is below him, the mere fact of thinking that the statistics are reviewed by Butler, as an athlete and high performance athlete wants to change those numbers, in addition to that in boxing the reputation of each boxer is everything and it is what makes it possible to give more excitement for everyone.

We shouldn't think Butler is weak. It's a mandatory fight that was given to Casimero which means they are in the same league.

Favorites or not, they are both equal to me but Casimero is more hyped here because mostly, users here are based on PH like me.

[rhomelmabini]

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

Well, it's kind of tactic for them to generate a revenue and hype on social media or other thing they can think of is a good thing. With the pandemic still a thing it wouldn't be easy as it seems for boxing arrangements these days. Exactly, it isn't only the fighters they should think of for this kind of fight, there are other staffs to think for.

[sunsilk]

We shouldn't think Butler is weak. It's a mandatory fight that was given to Casimero which means they are in the same league.

Favorites or not, they are both equal to me but Casimero is more hyped here because mostly, users here are based on PH like me.

The boxers aren't underestimating their opponents, and if they do, it's part of their stance when they're being approached by the media and they have to look stronger at all times because it boosts their morale if they're talking about belittling their opponents.

But for sure that they do respect each of their opponent's capacity and capability when it's inside the ring. While we fans, we shouldn't really underestimate even if we're die-hard fans to boxers like Casimero or anyone that we're looking up.

[Vaculin]

Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.

Well, it's kind of tactic for them to generate a revenue and hype on social media or other thing they can think of is a good thing. With the pandemic still a thing it wouldn't be easy as it seems for boxing arrangements these days. Exactly, it isn't only the fighters they should think of for this kind of fight, there are other staffs to think for.

But they have to find a way to make a profit on this fight as this fight will happen since it's a mandatory fight. Both fighters are just waiting for the schedule of the fight to be announced by the promoter so they will start their training. Don't make that promotional thing the main concern here, it should be the readiness of the boxer as without them, no fight will happen.

[yazher]

But they have to find a way to make a profit on this fight as this fight will happen since it's a mandatory fight. Both fighters are just waiting for the schedule of the fight to be announced by the promoter so they will start their training. Don't make that promotional thing the main concern here, it should be the readiness of the boxer as without them, no fight will happen.

Casimero should find a way to knock out his opponent to show everyone that he reached the peak of the battle in their division and all he needs to fight is Inoue because we cannot deny that he is also getting old and he might lose some of his skills and stamina and they delayed the fight next year. I mean, what's really the problem of how they weren't able to do anything to make this fight come true? I hope they won't consider money as the priority if they really wanted to be the unified champion in their division, they should fight whoever is strong.