Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Bolded part is pure bullshit and doesn't make sense. You didn't make it any easier for participants, you only made it easier for yourself so they don't bother you with "wen payment" stuff every few weeks. Instead of standing up for your signature participants, you incorporated delays into the system. But even if you stood up, he would probably replace you with someone else who would do the same as this forum doesn't lack aspiring managers who would do anything to get the gig.

Nice one but again you're entitled to your opinion so no hard feelings here. Well I have stool up for my participants severally when delay have been made. What else can I do to make things easier, I have threatened to pause the campaign previously and he paid immediately that was said. After the resistance from the participants of me not pausing the campaign, I had no choice but to look for alternative to make things easier which resulted to that.

I have written to lightlord severally on taking ownership of the campaign thread and weekly payment before this whole new episodes but seems he wasn't interested as he was comfortable making the payment in his own time.  I have even requested to recreate thread, reduce members and make the campaign more productive (with all expenses covered by me) yet he didn't responded and my graphic designer already know of this because I gave him the contract but later withdraw it as no response.

I understand you just coming out to voice your opinion but maybe next time ask questions. I introduced new rules like merit requirements etc and period of been active to make the campaign less spamming, which worked a little don't forget I inherited initial majority of the participants from previous manager and the rules of removing people from the campaign isn't on my side. I keep putting my best and don't need anybody validation to know I'm giving in my best, if only all I asked for was granted, well.

Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC

You think you're better than them, the campaign has produced quite some high quality member that I'm pretty sure if the payment was on time they'll still be with us.

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[UserU]

Bolded part is pure bullshit and doesn't make sense. You didn't make it any easier for participants, you only made it easier for yourself so they don't bother you with "wen payment" stuff every few weeks. Instead of standing up for your signature participants, you incorporated delays into the system. But even if you stood up, he would probably replace you with someone else who would do the same as this forum doesn't lack aspiring managers who would do anything to get the gig.

Nice one but again you're entitled to your opinion so no hard feelings here. Well I have stool up for my participants severally when delay have been made. What else can I do to make things easier, I have threatened to pause the campaign previously and he paid immediately that was said. After the resistance from the participants of me not pausing the campaign, I had no choice but to look for alternative to make things easier which resulted to that.

I have written to lightlord severally on taking ownership of the campaign thread and weekly payment before this whole new episodes but seems he wasn't interested as he was comfortable making the payment in his own time.  I have even requested to recreate thread, reduce members and make the campaign more productive (with all expenses covered by me) yet he didn't responded and my graphic guys already know of this because I gave him the contract but later withdraw it as no response.

I understand you just coming out to voice your opinion but maybe next time ask questions. I introduced new rules like merit requirements etc and period of been active to make the campaign less spamming, which worked a little don't forget I inherited initial majority of the participants form previous manager. I keep putting my best and don't need anybody validation to know I'm giving in my best, if only all I asked for was granted, well.

After his recent post, has lightlord made you the escrow?

Since you have been doing this for over a year now, there should be some mutual trust established.

While you're not handling the funds, the delays may put you in a bad light, if you get what I mean.

[LoyceV]

Would you join one of lightlord's campaigns?

No, I wouldn't join it (and even rejected managing the campaign because of the low payments for participants, which means I wouldn't be able to get quality posters). But if the campaign I'm in wouldn't pay for a week, I wouldn't leave either. And I can imagine that week could get longer and longer next time without leaving.

It is also possible that lightlord collects some kind of interest on people's money.

I highly doubt that.

Some would not be accepted in other campaigns, as they themselves admit:

That was (more or less) my point: the participants don't leave despite the late payments, they trust they'll get it eventually, and they have no other options anyway. Kinda sad though.

The 777coin and Bitvest.io campaigns have been accused several times of being full of shitposters. I wouldn't say as much, but it's clear that campaigns that pay 150 per post in the lowest tier are not going to be full of top quality posters.

Those signatures usually mean I don't consider the post worth reading.

I don't know if LoyceV is saying that we should change the feedbacks if people don't have left

That's up to you, I didn't tag him myself.

So, I don't think we can take the fact of whether or not the current participants leave the campaign as a reference for Lightlord's trust.

In that case, assuming they're all just shitposters, getting rid of the campaign altogether would be better for the forum.

I have even requested to recreate thread, reduce members and make the campaign more productive

It's not entirely on you, at a certain pay rate you can only get certain quality.

You think you're better than them, the campaign has produced quite some high quality member that I'm pretty sure if the payment was on time they'll still be with us.

Did the high quality members leave for a campaign with a better pay rate?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

While you're not handling the funds, the delays may put you in a bad light, if you get what I mean.

You know what's funny even when Hhampuz was in charge and handling payment, it got to some point delays starting coming in and we all know Hhampuz of been this fast and on time campaign manager and probably this wasn't favorable to him so he quit. Well I'm incharge now although I'll be deploying a strategy to combat any delay if noticed, I will paused campaign with immediately effect.

This is unethical but just have to do this; DM between me and lightlord.

Please I have been in the dark here, when is the escrow happening and when are we relaunching the campaign? If possible you can give me permission to recreate thread with new and more attractive design and post. Maybe reduced members and make the campaign more attractive. Waiting on your feedback.

You could hold onto some of the funds, say pre-pay 2-3 weeks or so, provide a BTC address, and I'll top it off. Can relaunch both the 777coin and Bitvest campaigns,

Can't share other information, Although I have provided separate address for both campaigns and waiting on funds, immediately that is done I'll relaunch campaign.

Note: This isn't the first time me requesting for this  I have done it multiple times.

Did the high quality members leave for a campaign with a better pay rate?

Most did, I think chipmixer did accept one or two and Bestchange too. Hhampuz is my biggest export, he takes them every now and then. I groom  and make them exportable lol. ^{some humor you know.}

[Rikafip]

After the resistance from the participants of me not pausing the campaign, I had no choice but to look for alternative to make things easier which resulted to that.

Which proves what I said before, that majority of them are  well aware of the fact that they wouldn't be able to join any other campaign so they accept that kind of behavior.

In one of previous posts @yahoo62278 said it is matter of respect, but I would say that it's a matter of self-respect here; majority of people in those campaigns obviously don't have any when it comes to this, if they are willing to be treated like that.

I have written to lightlord severally on taking ownership of the campaign thread and weekly payment before this whole new episodes but seems he wasn't interested as he was comfortable making the payment in his own time.  I have even requested to recreate thread, reduce members and make the campaign more productive (with all expenses covered by me) yet he didn't responded and my graphic designer already know of this because I gave him the contract but later withdraw it as no response.

Based on this, he obviously doesn't give a fuck.

You think you're better than them, the campaign has produced quite some high quality member that I'm pretty sure if the payment was on time they'll still be with us.

While both of those campaigns had some quality members (they probably still do) they didn't produce anything as there is no incentive inside the campaign to write better (as far as I know). No bonuses for best posters, promotion is on first come first serve basis etc. People got out of there (myself included) because they preferred quality writing instead of filling up max quota and making more money in the short term.

[LoyceV]

Most did, I think chipmixer did accept one or two and Bestchange too. Hhampuz is my biggest export, he takes them every now and then. I groom  and make them exportable lol.

During the short time I ran signature campaigns, my best users were always the first ones to get swooped by a campaign with better rates too. It's basically the same as any job/employee IRL

[mindrust]

I can tell you for a fact that majority of the participants of the campaign don't care promoting for weeks

Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC.

Totally not acceptable. However it can also easily be avoided by not joining any of his sig camps. Not like him? Don't join his sig camps.

Exactly. Any self respecting person shouldn't join his campaigns as long as he continues his behavior. If you join his campaigns, it means you deserve the treatment you get. Look there are people that joined yobit campaigns and got treated by the other members horribly. 1xbit participants got even a worse treatment. When you are making a decision, think about the possible outcomes. If the outcomes would affect you in a more negative way, then don't do it. It is that simple.

[Igebotz]

By the way, Lightlord has just paid. Just in time. Just shortly before the 48 hours were up. I remember one time he said the 48 hour thing and we had to wait like for 5 days until we got the payment.

I expected someone whose thread was open against to say "oh sorry my bad I've already proceeded payments and this is the reason I'm paying late," but No! He returned and gave himself another 48 hours, only to pay a few minutes before the time ran out; I'm sure someone had to contact him to remind him of his commitment. So unprofessional for someone who has been in business for a long time

Lightlord has paid everyone with the bonus. That must be sign of relief for signature campaign participants.

They had been owed for 10 weeks and none of them sneezed to save themselves; instead, a random user from another campaign came to their rescue, and they protested even when the campaign was paused because they knew no other campaign would accommodate their shitposting lifestyle and were willing to wait a year without payment.

Also this shows that light lord had no intention of any scam but he don't have time as usual. Anyways i see that there is no change in the trust rating for him. I think he don't deserve a red tag now and it should be neutral since the matter is resolved now.

He was not accused of scamming or engaging in scamming activities; rather, he was accused of being unprofessional in his business, and he must demonstrate otherwise. A well-deserved tag. I'm still keeping an eye on the situation, so I haven't added mine yet.

[Timelord2067]

Did the high quality members leave for a campaign with a better pay rate?

I was in the 777coin campaign and only started looking for another signature campaign when the payments shifted (without explanation) to a fortnightly payment. The tier system was also a little jaring, but, being in such a campaign gave me prior history I could demonstrate when applying for any new campaigns I choose to apply to join.


Perhaps giving an undertaking to place participants of these two campaigns on ignore might hold the owner, lightlord to be more prompt with their obligations.

[UserU]

Today the guy that didn't receive his winnings posted this screenshot, I'm at loss for words...

He doesn't pay the mods at all.

[Poker Player]

Today the guy that didn't receive his winnings posted this screenshot, I'm at loss for words...

He doesn't pay the mods at all.

But let's see, I don't understand it that way, although I recognize that it's a little strange. I quote what I posted in the other thread:

It is not clear to me, first he says: "we aren't paid to be mods here" and in the following comment he says: "...we get paid by the site". I don't know if they are paid in another capacity and not as moderators. In any case it is strange.

[UserU]

But let's see, I don't understand it that way, although I recognize that it's a little strange. I quote what I posted in the other thread:

It is not clear to me, first he says: "we aren't paid to be mods here" and in the following comment he says: "...we get paid by the site". I don't know if they are paid in another capacity and not as moderators. In any case it is strange.

I think what the mod means was that:

we aren't paid to be mods here, we r mods bcuz we want to be here to help players without question of bias or loyalty to the site (just) bcuz we get paid by the site

I.e. If we don't get paid, we won't be seen as defending LL or Bitvest

Not wrong to get paid, but the issue is still way beyond their capabilities since it's Support-related.

Plus, casino chat mods usually work on shifts since the chat's involved. Most casinos I frequent actually pay them for taking the effort to actively monitor the chat.

[dkbit98]

I would never trust this guy with anything again, and best thing for this forum would be if those campaigns managed by Lightlord never get started again, I think this would produce much less spam and worthless posts being written.
Everyone should exclude him from DT members, as I see that he is still in DT2 members list:

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lightlord's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Zodiac1233 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Maidak (Trust: +8 / =0 / -8) (19 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Dabs (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 816 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. SiNeReiNZzz (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (761 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Crypto9er (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. bitcoinmar Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. cabron (Trust: neutral) (25 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~lightlord's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 1548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW Timelord2067 (Trust: +13 / =8 / -0) (DT1 (-5) 762 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-16_Sat_06.06h/30541.html

[LoyceV]

Everyone should exclude him from DT members

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-16_Sat_06.06h/30541.html

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[yahoo62278]

I would never trust this guy with anything again, and best thing for this forum would be if those campaigns managed by Lightlord never get started again, I think this would produce much less spam and worthless posts being written.
Everyone should exclude him from DT members, as I see that he is still in DT2 members list:

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lightlord's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Zodiac1233 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Maidak (Trust: +8 / =0 / -8) (19 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Dabs (Trust: +39 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 816 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. SiNeReiNZzz (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (761 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Crypto9er (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. bitcoinmar Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. cabron (Trust: neutral) (25 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~lightlord's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 1548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW Timelord2067 (Trust: +13 / =8 / -0) (DT1 (-5) 762 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-16_Sat_06.06h/30541.html

Lightlord has nothing to do with the spam, that's 100% on the manager and participants. That's why there is a manager, although everyone has a different idea of what is considered spam. Best thing users can do is report posts and hurt spammers by getting them banned. As far as the trust list goes, I really see nothing wrong there, just because a forum mod doesn't trust his is not a reason to halt a campaign. Long as he pays regularly and on time he's fine. Just goes back to respecting people.

[dkbit98]

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

Because people are not being excluded from DT just because of their abusive feedback, but it's my personal opinion and I see that other members excluded him also.

Lightlord has nothing to do with the spam, that's 100% on the manager and participants. That's why there is a manager, although everyone has a different idea of what is considered spam. Best thing users can do is report posts and hurt spammers by getting them banned. As far as the trust list goes, I really see nothing wrong there, just because a forum mod doesn't trust his is not a reason to halt a campaign. Long as he pays regularly and on time he's fine. Just goes back to respecting people.

He is indirectly connected with spam, because he hired the manager and he made those low payment rates, so much that seeing these avatars and signature you mostly expect to see some low quality posts.
Last time I checked those campaigns are not active anymore but I don't really care what happens with them if they are operated in similar way like before, with or without l-lord.
Note that I have many ignored members even from much higher paying campaigns, so it's not a universal rule.

[Quickseller]

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

Because people are not being excluded from DT just because of their abusive feedback, but it's my personal opinion and I see that other members excluded him also.

Lightlord has nothing to do with the spam, that's 100% on the manager and participants. That's why there is a manager, although everyone has a different idea of what is considered spam. Best thing users can do is report posts and hurt spammers by getting them banned. As far as the trust list goes, I really see nothing wrong there, just because a forum mod doesn't trust his is not a reason to halt a campaign. Long as he pays regularly and on time he's fine. Just goes back to respecting people.

He is indirectly connected with spam, because he hired the manager and he made those low payment rates, so much that seeing these avatars and signature you mostly expect to see some low quality posts.
Last time I checked those campaigns are not active anymore but I don't really care what happens with them if they are operated in similar way like before, with or without l-lord.
Note that I have many ignored members even from much higher paying campaigns, so it's not a universal rule.

Over the short run, it is the campaign managers responsibility to prevent lots of crap posts coming from the campaign. However, if over long periods of time, if a manager allows lots of shit posts, and doesn’t do anything about it, it will reflect negatively on the person who didn’t fire the campaign manager in favor of someone who would address the shit posts.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC.

That makes sense (although I haven't looked at who's in the Bitvest campaign), and I was kind of wondering why members would continue to wear Bitvest's signature after so many weeks of nonpayment.  That seems ludicrous in my opinion; I would jump ship as soon as I realized that delays had become the norm.

Everyone should exclude him from DT members

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

I agree, but it's not surprising that dkbit98 might not realize that inclusions/exclusions are supposed to be used to reflect a member's feedback-giving behavior, not as a measure of how much they can be trusted.  It really is a baffling trust system we have on bitcointalk.

Is lightlord on DT by any chance?  I know I've been here over 6 years, but I forgot how to check who's on DT2.  If he is, in fact, on DT I think an exclusion would be warranted, regardless of what feedback he's left for others.

[2double0]

Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC.

That makes sense (although I haven't looked at who's in the Bitvest campaign), and I was kind of wondering why members would continue to wear Bitvest's signature after so many weeks of nonpayment.  That seems ludicrous in my opinion; I would jump ship as soon as I realized that delays had become the norm.

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The campaign had been here for years I guess, so it's not a big deal for the users to remain as participants for a few more weeks without any payments. Lightlord gained enough trust so to let participants continue their work blindly without thinking about their payments, but like Loyce described, no participant would leave for a week or two non-payments because the manager (Hhampuz before, now Cryptopreneurbrainboss) and the company (Lightlord) both are trustworthy due to consistent payments for years to their participants and there was no 'PAUSE' or 'ENDED' added to the campaign for which participants would panic and stop advertising it, so they continued.

[icopress]

He is indirectly connected with spam, because he hired the manager and he made those low payment rates, so much that seeing these avatars and signature you mostly expect to see some low quality posts.
Last time I checked those campaigns are not active anymore but I don't really care what happens with them if they are operated in similar way like before, with or without l-lord.
Note that I have many ignored members even from much higher paying campaigns, so it's not a universal rule.

Do as Skeptical Chemist did ... he just turned off the display of avatars and captions and has long merited posts based on the quality of the content (as far as I can tell). In addition, no matter what manager is running these campaigns, it is extremely difficult to control spam in the gambling section even with all the desire, (and judging by what I saw, the participants in the campaigns discussed here are the regulars of this section).

Is lightlord on DT by any chance?  I know I've been here over 6 years, but I forgot how to check who's on DT2.  If he is, in fact, on DT I think an exclusion would be warranted, regardless of what feedback he's left for others.

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