Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[Poker Player]

So at this point I'm inclined to revise my rating from negative to a different negative but I'll ponder this for a little while.

I believe that the most likely scenario is that in the coming months there will be no problems with withdrawals or signature campaign payments.

I don't know if it is worth creating a flag if there are no more problems at the moment, but you have much more experience than me in these matters.

Although I also think that what has happened is not from someone deserving of a good reputation. Let's look at a case:

Since 12th August I try to withdraw some DOGE, since 14th August I have a ticket pending asking for the DOGE wallet to be refilled.

It's now exactly 1 week since I am waiting for my withdrawal. My personal feelings start to shift from annoyance to fear of loss. Especially since I am trying to withdraw only a smaller part of my investment in bitvest.

@psycodad: Any updates with your withdrawal or a reply to your email/pm/anything related to your withdrawal issue?

No I haven't been able to withdraw since around my last post, not even dust amounts, it's now pretty exactly 2 weeks on the hour.
It's emontionally very challenging and only the reassuring chat with one of their mods (Badger) kept me from going totally insane yet as the amount owed by bitvest.io is a substantial one to me.

Today I received another smaller part of my investment (the LTC part, in full), though my DOGE wd is still pending since 12th August, even so I have tipped (bribed) one of their mods with 658 DOGE of change to speed things up slightly. What they paid out in these last 18days is <30% of my total investment that I want to withdraw.

They have time until end of month to honor my still pending DOGE withdrawal request, I have made them aware of that via the tipped mod as I still have no means to communicate with the owners/people with the moneys directly.

This has brought major distress into my life and my marriage, but I am ready to let it go biting my tongue with a put on smile and with a simple, short post here confirming that I received everything, if they actually process my DOGE withdrawal within the next 48 hrs.

I am very relieved to report that I have now received all pending withdrawals after 19days.
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As said, no mud-throwing around from me, but I can still safely answer that I'll never deposit to bitvest.io again.

Rereading this, I see again that they react to pressure. When psycodad gives them until the end of the month, I understand that otherwise he would have created a trust flag or something, then they pay him.

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[Rikafip]

I would like to know, especially those of you who left negative feedback to Lightlord and have not changed it, what you think about whether and when to change the feedback to neutral.

I will definitely consider to remove my negative feedback or change to neutral once I see that people are getting payed on time, without constant delays and having to pressure via negative tags and bunch of PMs. I am not convinced of that yet and for now I wouldn't join any of his campaigns, nor apply to any of his future job adds.

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suchmoon said about 10 weeks seeing that the payments were working fine.

I need to clarify - this was about signature campaign payments. I think 10 consecutive on-time payments is not too much to ask after being chronically late for years, and it's be a good indication that there is a serious attempt to fix the issue. I can also see some merit in the argument that if the signature campaign members are willing to put up with this then why should I care, even though they're in a bit of a hostage situation.

The casino stuff is a whole other story. Having to chase the owner to withdraw your funds should be unacceptable under any circumstances. Being unable to withdraw because there is only one person capable of refilling the hot wallet and that person is sick - that's really messed up. This risk is not disclosed on the site, in fact it says that two people (lightlord and zodiac) have control of the the cold wallet funds, which would imply that either one of them could have refilled the wallet. I would call this situation "high risk".

So at this point I'm inclined to revise my rating from negative to a different negative but I'll ponder this for a little while.

is late payment really a good reason for a negative tag? it doesn’t matter if it’s a signature campaign payment or a casino withdrawal.
as far as I could see, he did not give any excuses about casino withdrawal delay, nor any accusations against users or an attempt to avoid payment. I guess users of its casinos should be alerted to the probable possibility of late payment, but not that they will run out of their money. it seems to me that there is an important difference.

Can we negative mark them because of the low payment rate in their signature campaigns? I mean, it is below any minimum, and directly affects the production of spam on the forum.

[suchmoon]

I don't know if it is worth creating a flag if there are no more problems at the moment, but you have much more experience than me in these matters.

I don't think this calls for a flag. He seems to be paying eventually, so there is no outstanding obligation / breach of contract (basis for type 2 or type 3 flag). There probably isn't a high risk of losing money (basis for type 1 flag). There is however (IMO) a high risk of not getting your money in a timely manner and there is misleading information on the website about how they handle their wallets. That's my thought process anyway ATM.

is late payment really a good reason for a negative tag? it doesn’t matter if it’s a signature campaign payment or a casino withdrawal.

as far as I could see, he did not give any excuses about casino withdrawal delay, nor any accusations against users or an attempt to avoid payment. I guess users of its casinos should be alerted to the probable possibility of late payment, but not that they will run out of their money. it seems to me that there is an important difference.

Red trust does not necessarily mean that money has been lost. That would be subject to a type 2/3 flag.

So the question really is whether it's a "high risk" to deal with someone who tends to pay late after much prodding, or someone who doesn't seem to have a contingency plan for their business (while implying that they do).

Can we negative mark them because of the low payment rate in their signature campaigns? I mean, it is below any minimum, and directly affects the production of spam on the forum.

Payment rate is part of the deal. Getting paid late is not. This is not about spam (spam is not a concern for the trust system), it's about money being owed.

[psycodad]

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Rereading this, I see again that they react to pressure. When psycodad gives them until the end of the month, I understand that otherwise he would have created a trust flag or something, then they pay him.

Loyce's bot summoned me, so here I am 

Yes Poker Player is absolutely right, and the flag would have only been the beginning, I made that very clear to one of the mods. There are way more effective ways to hurt them really hard on top of creating flags.

The thing with the loss that didn't occur is that they were simply lucky in my case. I tried to withdraw a sizeable amount of Doge to sell for Bitcoin. At the time I requested the wd, price was at ~600 Sats, when I finally could withdraw it was still about in this range. If it had dropped by say 100 or even 200 Sats within this time I would have made a pretty big loss (USD and BTC-wise). But even with about the same price I could have easily lost on a missed opportunity (whatever, a car, a house that got sold otherwise in the meantime).

When I invested into bitvest I tried everything first with small amounts and did rely on their promise to be able to withdraw any amount within 18 hours backed on lightlord's excellent trust and reputation. But it was part of the agreement that I proposed that if I get my money on my last ultimatum that I won't follow-up on it in anyway, neither flags nor other measures I have had prepared and I uphold that agreement from my side. There is indeed a bit of a dilemma in this, but I decided to keep my word as I still feel very lucky having got my investments back.

Actually I first only planned to divest a small amount from bitvest to secure some of my gains and the reason for that were previous credible reports from people in the bitvest thread that they can't withdraw for days and do not get any answers no matter how they try contact bitvest, which kind of started to unsettle me considering the amounts I had invested there. Once I found I couldn't even divest a small part of my investment I got worried and decided to pull out everything ASAP. Mods told me that this is an ongoing problem since longer but I should just trust that I get my money at some point. So this is obviously has been going on longer than two months.

[TwitchySeal]

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Rereading this, I see again that they react to pressure. When psycodad gives them until the end of the month, I understand that otherwise he would have created a trust flag or something, then they pay him.

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Yes Poker Player is absolutely right, and the flag would have only been the beginning, I made that very clear to one of the mods. There are way more effective ways to hurt them really hard on top of creating flags.

The thing with the loss that didn't occur is that they were simply lucky in my case. I tried to withdraw a sizeable amount of Doge to sell for Bitcoin. At the time I requested the wd, price was at ~600 Sats, when I finally could withdraw it was still about in this range. If it had dropped by say 100 or even 200 Sats within this time I would have made a pretty big loss (USD and BTC-wise). But even with about the same price I could have easily lost on a missed opportunity (whatever, a car, a house that got sold otherwise in the meantime).

When I invested into bitvest I tried everything first with small amounts and did rely on their promise to be able to withdraw any amount within 18 hours backed on lightlord's excellent trust and reputation. But it was part of the agreement that I proposed that if I get my money on my last ultimatum that I won't follow-up on it in anyway, neither flags nor other measures I have had prepared and I uphold that agreement from my side. There is indeed a bit of a dilemma in this, but I decided to keep my word as I still feel very lucky having got my investments back.

Actually I first only planned to divest a small amount from bitvest to secure some of my gains and the reason for that were previous credible reports from people in the bitvest thread that they can't withdraw for days and do not get any answers no matter how they try contact bitvest, which kind of started to unsettle me considering the amounts I had invested there. Once I found I couldn't even divest a small part of my investment I got worried and decided to pull out everything ASAP. Mods told me that this is an ongoing problem since longer but I should just trust that I get my money at some point. So this is obviously has been going on longer than two months.

For years one of the first things I did after any sizable win was throw a chunk into bitvest and lock it for a few weeks.  June was the last time I did that, requested a withdraw for a few dozen LTC and got radio silence for 3 days - heard some grumblings from others when I asked around at the time. It's a shame, but it's just not worth the stress to put your money in a place that's run like this.  I hope they turn things around and gain back everyones trust, I'd def give them another shot but it would require real effort on their part.

[vonutage]

lightlord paid all unpaid bounty rewards including "bonus for delay" as shared on the forum. But this time the bounty manager wrote that he could not get his own payment. So, it seems that the campaign is on pause and seems unlikely that it will continue after payment. If the BM finally gets the payment that should be made to it, then there is no problem in my opinion.

[Poker Player]

But this time the bounty manager wrote that he could not get his own payment.

Source for that? I don't know if you are not expressing yourself well.

I have looked at the campaign threads and Brainboss's latest posts but have seen nothing. He's waiting for funds in escrow, that's for sure, but I haven't seen anything about Lightlord not paying him.

[FatFork]

lightlord paid all unpaid bounty rewards including "bonus for delay" as shared on the forum. But this time the bounty manager wrote that he could not get his own payment. So, it seems that the campaign is on pause and seems unlikely that it will continue after payment. If the BM finally gets the payment that should be made to it, then there is no problem in my opinion.

That's not true. The bounty manager received his payout on the same day as the rest of the bounty participants. You can look up the transactions from the 1Bitvest... address.

As Poker Player explained, Brainboss has paused campaigns until he receives funds in escrow for future payments.

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I am pretty sure he just misinterpreted that CBB is waiting for the escrow funds from Lightlord as "waiting for his payment" for his service of managing the campaign.

[Timelord2067]

That's not true. The bounty manager received his payout on the same day as the rest of the bounty participants. You can look up the transactions from the 1Bitvest... address.

As Poker Player explained, Brainboss has paused campaigns until he receives funds in escrow for future payments.

The correct funding wallet addresses are Bitvest Escrow: bc1q00pyv4twqzj88525e2pfypf4m4d9kmpkgyqpje and 777coin Escrow: bc1qhzhex8f0m0q6mhsslf2ktxwkf0ucaazh4npzxx which can be seen in this post from the 2021-10-17, 21:04:14 by the Campaign Manager

(Neither has any funds in it as of the time this post was composed)

[Poker Player]

(Neither has any funds in it as of the time this post was composed)

A bit weird, isn't it?

It has now been 11 days since Brainboss wrote that post, and Lightlord still has not transferred the funds. I don't know what to think.

Maybe because he's been behind in payments as usual and has had to catch up all at once he's short on cash.

Some people wear his casinos signature anyway, even though they know they won't get paid for this period.

[Timelord2067]

(Neither has any funds in it as of the time this post was composed)

A bit weird, isn't it?

It has now been 11 days since Brainboss wrote that post, and Lightlord still has not transferred the funds. I don't know what to think.

Maybe because he's been behind in payments as usual and has had to catch up all at once he's short on cash.

Some people wear his casinos signature anyway, even though they know they won't get paid for this period.

Not really 1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr still has funds in it: ( BTC 0.05448916 )


The side-by-side thread ★☆★ 777Coin Signature Campaign ★☆★ Earn up to .0007/Post (Newb-Hero Welcome) has now been locked.

[FatFork]

The correct funding wallet addresses are Bitvest Escrow...

(Neither has any funds in it as of the time this post was composed)

I understand that. These are the escrow addresses suggested by the manager. I'm not sure if lightlord has already accepted this suggestion or will choose an escrow from a third party.

I replied to @vonutage who stated incorrectly that "a bounty manager could not get his own payment".

[The Sceptical Chymist]

A bit weird, isn't it?

Not really, considering lightlord's history of royally screwing things up in the campaigns he's responsible for and/or mismanaging his own casino.  It might be weird if those wallets belonged to a different campaign owner, but not lightlord.

It has now been 11 days since Brainboss wrote that post, and Lightlord still has not transferred the funds. I don't know what to think.

You can think what you like, but personally I think this is just another example of lightlord not giving a shit about his campaign participants, which is a serious sign of disrespect and a breach of the agreement campaign owners and their participants have between them, where the latter agree to rent out their sig space and the former agrees to pay them.  The unspoken, unwritten part of this "contract" is that payments should be on-time, just like with real-life employment. 

Some people wear his casinos signature anyway, even though they know they won't get paid for this period.

Well, desperate members who probably believe in the tooth fairy exist in great numbers on this forum, so the fact that some of them are still doing work for which they may not get paid isn't surprising. 

However, I think if one wanted to give lightlord a firm smack in the face in the form of a reality check, they would delete their Bitvest signature immediately and move on to the next available campaign (or not).  Continuing to wear his signature without payment is giving him advertising for free, and that likely just emboldens him to keep up his malicious indifference toward his campaigners.

[Quickseller]

(Neither has any funds in it as of the time this post was composed)

A bit weird, isn't it?

It has now been 11 days since Brainboss wrote that post, and Lightlord still has not transferred the funds. I don't know what to think.

Maybe because he's been behind in payments as usual and has had to catch up all at once he's short on cash.

Some people wear his casinos signature anyway, even though they know they won't get paid for this period.

Not really 1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr still has funds in it:

I think this is an escrow address. It was posted as being the address to watch for payments last year. It is certainly not a new address.

If LL said he would find escrow two weeks ago, he should do so.

[Poker Player]

You can think what you like, but personally I think this is just another example of lightlord not giving a shit about his campaign participants...

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and in general I like to think of people as being nicer than they often end up showing themselves to be.

In general I think pretty much like you, which is why I haven't yet changed the feedback as some were vehemently demanding in this thread.

[Timelord2067]

You've got to wonder why a Hero Member such as Your Point is Invalid would be trying to join the paused 777coin signature campaign:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg58260483#msg58260483

Newbies I can understand, but Hero Members just a few posts after the big "paused" announcement on the same page?

I think this is an escrow address. It was posted as being the address to watch for payments last year. It is certainly not a new address.

If LL said he would find escrow two weeks ago, he should do so.

It was referenced a few days back in the signature thread.

[Poker Player]

You've got to wonder why a Hero Member such as Your Point is Invalid would be trying to join the paused 777coin signature campaign:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg58260483#msg58260483

Newbies I can understand, but Hero Members just a few posts after the big "paused" announcement on the same page?

No merit earned in the last 120 days is your answer (just 10 merits earned since the introduction of the merit system, the rest were airdropped).

He probably has no hope of being accepted in any other campaign. Most of them have merit earned requirements.

[Rikafip]

You've got to wonder why a Hero Member such as Your Point is Invalid would be trying to join the paused 777coin signature campaign:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg58260483#msg58260483

Newbies I can understand, but Hero Members just a few posts after the big "paused" announcement on the same page?

Looking at his post history, that guy just woke up after two years break, saw that 777Coin is marked as "Open" and applied, without thinking much about checking what's written in the posts before his application. At least he is not wearing the sig.