Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable?

[Findingnemo]

I can bet you that even after all this is finally resolved and people get their money, if he launches another shitcoin project and start looking for admins/whatever, bunch of people would apply anyway. It's just how it is here, a lot of members willing to take a risk for a couple of satoshis, like bounty hunters do all the time.

He favors quantity over quality. The unlimited quota for Bitvest is an example...

Its 60 if I am not wrong not unlimited anyway the pay per post is relatively cheapest among all the campaigns here so people who doesn't get any slot in other campaign prefer this and nothing else.

My only question to Lightlord is why he isn't replying anything regarding the situation?

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[icopress]

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

Unfortunately, I have fallen quite ill, and have been fighting for my life for the last 2 months. I had an adverse reaction to the second vaccine, and wasn't able to eat much, and struggling a lot. My weight dropped nearly 15 pounds in one month. Pretty much a skeleton, but I seem to be getting better over time. I am better than I was a month ago, and I should be able to return things back to semi-normal on things. I will process the campaign payments out, and try to address the late withdrawals, to get that back to more normal times.

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much. Lightlord has been on the forum for years and kept his balance, besides, if my memory serves me, he was also the main sponsor of one of the covid charity pools (here on the forum). I do not defend him as I am not familiar with him to judge him but I tend to think that his good deeds outweigh his incompetence. In this regard, here's what I suggest:

• Stop looking into his pocket, because it's his own business how much dust to pay to the participants of the sig campaign.
• If the situation with payments is corrected, then, after 10 weeks, change all generalized neg feedback to neutral.
• The feedback below is well deserved, so I expect that after 10 weeks, only this neg feedback will remain.

tranthidung

2021-10-20

Reference

I worked for lightlord as a moderator (Telegram, Discord). I trusted him and did not ask for payment each week. He paid me once after 4 weeks. Next 6 weeks. $725 (from 10 July to 13 Aug), no payment. He replied, promised to pay me, then stop replying to my DMs, even he logged in account. After the drama of his campaigns, I respected him for what we had, did not open scam accusation, I sent him a PM again, but he does not respect me, no reply (still actively on the forum). No reply is unacceptable!

[FatFork]

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

Where did the second quote about his illness come from? How should the community know about his medical situation if there is no mention of it?
Shouldn't his business associate Zodiac1233 have done something in a situation like this?

[icopress]

Where did the second quote about his illness come from? How should the community know about his medical situation if there is no mention of it?
Shouldn't his business associate Zodiac1233 have done something in a situation like this?

I was too lazy to flip through 10 pages of this thread again, so I searched for his answers on this case through the archive.

It is not entirely clear to me why he deleted his message, but the fact remains - I quoted what was previously published, (I also don’t know how close the relationship between Lightlord and Zodiac1233 is and why Zodiac1233 didn’t mention it). 

[suchmoon]

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

Are you ignoring users saying that delays occurred more than once and lasted more than a couple of months?

his good deeds outweigh his incompetence

If that's the case, his positive feedback will outweigh the negatives.

I would suggest that at least the users who had been directly affected by lightlord's negligence - or whatever you want to call it - wouldn't revise their ratings and leave them as warnings to reduce the chance of needing another 10-page thread two years from now, but that's not really up to me.

What is up to me is my own rating and since I'm not directly affected by this I would have been open to revising it after a number of on-time sig campaign payouts, but it seems that the problem is larger than that so I'm gonna have to see how this develops. The lack of communication doesn't inspire confidence.

The feedback below is well deserved, so I expect that after 10 weeks, only this neg feedback will remain.

This should be a type 2 or 3 flag.

[LoyceV]

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

Unfortunately, I have fallen quite ill, and have been fighting for my life for the last 2 months. I had an adverse reaction to the second vaccine, and wasn't able to eat much, and struggling a lot. My weight dropped nearly 15 pounds in one month. Pretty much a skeleton, but I seem to be getting better over time. I am better than I was a month ago, and I should be able to return things back to semi-normal on things. I will process the campaign payments out, and try to address the late withdrawals, to get that back to more normal times.

Thanks for this quote, I'll use it to add neutral feedback to lightlord's account. I think he deserves time to recover, and I don't think adding more red tags helps anyone at this point.

It is not entirely clear to me why he deleted his message

Maybe he changed his mind because it's quite personal.

Are you ignoring users saying that delays occurred more than once and lasted more than a couple of months?

I'm not ignoring it, but it also didn't stop the users from joining. It looks like the current reason for late payments is different, and if an escrow takes over, it could be the last time payments were late.

I wish lightlord well. If I get ill, I wouldn't like my reputation to be destroyed because of unfinished business either.

Prio 1: staying alive All the rest comes later.

[worldofcoins]

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

Unfortunately, I have fallen quite ill, and have been fighting for my life for the last 2 months. I had an adverse reaction to the second vaccine, and wasn't able to eat much, and struggling a lot. My weight dropped nearly 15 pounds in one month. Pretty much a skeleton, but I seem to be getting better over time. I am better than I was a month ago, and I should be able to return things back to semi-normal on things. I will process the campaign payments out, and try to address the late withdrawals, to get that back to more normal times.

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much. Lightlord has been on the forum for years and kept his balance, besides, if my memory serves me, he was also the main sponsor of one of the covid charity pools (here on the forum). I do not defend him as I am not familiar with him to judge him but I tend to think that his good deeds outweigh his incompetence. In this regard, here's what I suggest:

icopress, I have a positive view just like you do on the matter and seeing the lightlord running the campaign for years and not having any trouble with the payments.

I also think the issue lightlord is presenting to be valid, I made a thread regarding Vaccine that use artificial mRNA, that's dangerous to humans
Link to my thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350767.0

There had been many Deaths after taking the vaccine especially the one created by Company Pfizer.
There are doctors that can't speak the truth on the matter but I've shared the video of a doctor who explains what this Vaccine really does and people shouldn't take it and is also suggesting other doctors to speak about it and not be afraid.

[Quickseller]

ok, this is really serious. new problems are emerging and what's worse, he ^lightlord ignores it all. at this point, I have more confidence in tranthidung words.
although I have tried to be moderate here and believe that this is a temporary problem, lightlord seems to settle the arrears here only after the pressure from the community.
I really don't see a reason why he doesn't answer and leave a clear statement about what is happening and what its users can expect in the future. ignoring it only makes things worse.

tranthidung

2021-10-20

Reference

I worked for lightlord as a moderator (Telegram, Discord). I trusted him and did not ask for payment each week. He paid me once after 4 weeks. Next 6 weeks. $725 (from 10 July to 13 Aug), no payment. He replied, promised to pay me, then stop replying to my DMs, even he logged in account. After the drama of his campaigns, I respected him for what we had, did not open scam accusation, I sent him a PM again, but he does not respect me, no reply (still actively on the forum). No reply is unacceptable!

tranthidung describes Lightlord as being disrespectful, and it is not good to disrespect people who are working for you- doing so will ultimately lead to those people no longer wanting to work for you, even if you pay well, and on time (Lightlord does neither).

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Assuming he has made everyone who he owes money to whole, I don't think he should have any negative trust. He has promised to escrow funds so this type of thing will not happen again. While yes, this has been an ongoing issue, it has not been a secret this has been a problem, and people have chosen to continue doing business with him.

[suchmoon]

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Right, if someone is failing to pay, the right response is to just leave and not even warn anyone about what happened

Looks like you skipped your meds again.

[FatFork]

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Just wondering, have you even read the feedback left by the transthidung?

Assuming he has made everyone who he owes money to whole, I don't think he should have any negative trust.

Well, I guess that answers my question. 

[Quickseller]

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Right, if someone is failing to pay, the right response is to just leave and not even warn anyone about what happened

You are misrepresenting what I said. I am saying that if he is owed money, he shouldn’t continue to allow additional debt to accumulate, and that if he has a problem with the payment schedule, he should stop working for lightlord.

Obviously my recommendation was based on the assumption that he had been paid what he is owed.

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Just wondering, have you even read the feedback left by the transthidung?

Assuming he has made everyone who he owes money to whole, I don't think he should have any negative trust.

Well, I guess that answers my question. 

LL paid all the signature debt he had. I don’t think it is unreasonable to believe that LL also paid tranthidung, and anyone else he owed money to. If that is not the case, then negative trust is obviously appropriate.

[suchmoon]

You are misrepresenting what I said. I am saying that if he is owed money, he shouldn’t continue to allow additional debt to accumulate, and that if he has a problem with the payment schedule, he should stop working for lightlord.

Maybe he did stop when it became a problem. Or he could have a contractual obligation. Or any number of other reasons why this (along with the suggestion to not use the trust system for the exact purpose of the trust system) is an absurd advice or at best irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Obviously my recommendation was based on the assumption that he had been paid what he is owed.

If he was paid then the above makes zero sense even in your cuckoo universe where the victim is at fault for accumulating the debt they're owed.

[tranthidung]

@tranthidung since he is more than 2 months late with the payment, as as you said no reply is unacceptable, maybe its time  for more drastic measures as some said that he only sorts stuff out after being pressured, and couple of negative tags doesn't seem like its doing the trick.

@Rikafip and all,

It is what happened.

• Things were smooth, as said. I trusted lightlord, worked for him and he processed my first payment for 4 weeks, in one batch, quick. It's perfect.
• Then, I kept working, and still did not ask for payment and I even let it passes to 6 weeks, before I asked for payment again. This time, he replied to me, will process payment ASAP. No problem.
• A few days later, something is strange with him, inactively, disappeared. No reply to me on all channel (Discord, forum, not sure I contacted him via Telegram or not) and in his project as well.
• I still waited, sent a few PM, he still replied to me a few times and then totally disappeared. Then I waited again, after a few weeks (perhaps), I sent a PM in which I said, it is my last PM, if no reply, no payment, I will open a scam accusation.
• The fact is he was still actively but more sparsely (one or two times per week rather than daily as previously) from which I guessed he has some issues - can be health, can be personal ones - that are reasons I kept waiting. Then, I saw a message from his dev, not him - on Discord, that he is ill
• Next, I waited again. Because I thought he deserves good time to recover ^{like LoyceV and icopress said}. No more PM, no accusation, no feedback
• Next, ~ 1 month later, the drama of campaigns and this accusation opened. I still waited, even when the payment for 2 campaigns were processed
• I sent him my PM on 17 Oct (see in the quote) - 4 days after payments in 2 campaigns, and still wish he the best. I only want him to reply, that's it. Payment, I can wait. I am not hurry with payment.
• I saw he logged in account in 2 days, and no reply. It is why I left the neg feedback because no reply is unacceptable and I think he is already recovered.

Hi lightlord,

I hope you are fine with your health condition.

With all things we have had, I don't want to bring this issue on the forum. I saw the drama but I did not join. At least, it is my respect for you, for all things we have.

When you have time, please process my payment. Thanks.

That's the story.

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Where did you get that information? Discord? I left his Discord channel, weeks ago, so if it was announced recently, I can not see it.

I did not see that information, I only saw a very short announcement from his dev, on Discord, many weeks ago. lightlord get health condition, something like that.

If I see this information, I never left that feedback.

Payment.

• I received it hours ago.
• Also, lightlord sent me a PM with details of his health issue ^{he should let me know about it in PM, previously}.
• He gave me a bonus as well that is up to 10% of my initial payment

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• The feedback below is well deserved, so I expect that after 10 weeks, only this neg feedback will remain.

Feedback, I will remove it.

I will think on what I can write, of course with a neutral feedback, not neg one. I agree with people who said neg feedback is far too much. Initially, I did not do this but it is too long and because of lack of information & communication, I took that action.

I am sorry, if it hurts you, light lord. I wish you the best.

By the way, it is best to deal with weekly payment. From my story, you can see anything can happen. It might not be a scam, but if you really need money from your work, it will hurt you. It's fair and best for 2 sides with weekly contract.

Best regards to all,

Tran Dzung[/list]

[Poker Player]

It looks like the current reason for late payments is different, and if an escrow takes over, it could be the last time payments were late.

It could or could not. Last time, in 2018, when there was a problem with late payments as well, and it was not the first time, the funds were held in escrow by the campaign manager. But if he doesn't fill the escrow on time, we have the same problem.

I am open to change my feedback, but it's not going to be a week from now.

I will keep editing the OP, btw. In this case to reflect that tranthidung has changed the feedback to neutral.

As this post looks like it is going to be a long one, I think it is better that people seeing it for the first time have an accurate summary on the first page.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much.

• Stop looking into his pocket, because it's his own business how much dust to pay to the participants of the sig campaign.

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?  I'm sorry, but if that statement was written by a member with less of a reputation, it would be criticized and dissected and analyzed under a microscope.

Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much.

I respectfully disagree, because the truth is that 1) This isn't the first time this has happened with him, and 2) He's obviously set up a gambling site and an accompanying signature campaign that doesn't have a fail-safe mechanism in place that would allow operations to continue should he get sick or otherwise become unable to do everything himself.  Even if he's made improvements, I still don't trust that a debacle like this won't happen again.

• Stop looking into his pocket, because it's his own business how much dust to pay to the participants of the sig campaign.

It might be dust to you, but if you're really thinking of a signature campaign as something where it's OK to delay payments for weeks because "fuck it, it's only dust" then you're not taking into account all the advertising the participants are doing for lightlord, which they've agreed to do for payment.  It also might not be a trivial amount for a participant depending on what country they live in.

[tranthidung]

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?

It could or could not

Nobody knows. Most or all of us don't know lightlord in real life so we can not verify this story. I don't argue that whether it is true or not.

My points are

• When cases are resolved, I think it should be neutral feedback.
• I don't see reasons to wait weeks or months to change feedback from negative to neutral, it does not make sense.
• Additionally, assumes this story is true, the faster the negative feedback is removed, the better for his mental health that in turn helps him to recover better and faster.
• If anything bad happens, it would be another story, in the future, not now

[Poker Player]

• I don't see reasons to wait weeks or months to change feedback from negative to neutral, it does not make sense.

I do see a lot of sense in waiting. If he has traditionally been in no hurry to pay the money he owes, why should I be in a hurry to change the feedback?

That's the reason.

We're not talking about now, when he was supposedly sick, we're talking about this going back many years.

Also, many of you are taking it for granted that he was sick. I am simply saying that I have no way of checking it and that, as The Pharmacist says:

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?  I'm sorry, but if that statement was written by a member with less of a reputation, it would be criticized and dissected and analyzed under a microscope.

[tranthidung]

We're not talking about now, when he was supposedly sick, we're talking about this going back many years.

Neutral feedback to mark what happened is enough, in my opinion.

Also, many of you are taking it for granted that he was sick. I am simply saying that I have no way of checking it and that, as The Pharmacist says

No, I do neither believe or disbelieve it. In my previous feedback - that was removed, I said lack of communication is unacceptable. Even if the user logged in multiple times. It seems the log-in activity has a purpose for something - business or personal purpose, we don't know. Anyway, if the condition is not too bad, a short reply would be enough.

Anyway, I changed it to neutral and I think it is enough. Previously, I made it negatively, because I think it catches more attention from lightlord. If he missed my PM, he can miss my neutral feedback - of course, miss or ignore, I don't know.

[Rikafip]

No, I do neither believe or disbelieve it. In my previous feedback - that was removed, I said lack of communication is unacceptable. Even if the user logged in multiple times. It seems the log-in activity has a purpose for something - business or personal purpose, we don't know. Anyway, if the condition is not too bad, a short reply would be enough.

First of all, I am glad that you got what  you've been owned and that matter is settled now (albeit after community pressure and negative feedbacks) but I am curious about one thing now; if he starts another project, would you work for him again?

Even if he's made improvements, I still don't trust that a debacle like this won't happen again.

That's the gist of it, I personally wouldn't apply to any of his job offerings as I don't wanna put myself in the situation to basically beg to be paid for the work done. Few years ago I worked as a telegram admin, and I agreed with owner of the group to be paid on the weekly basis. Soon this week became a few, and I had to send him several PMs each time, reminding to get paid. It was incredibly frustrating experience because I knew guy was loaded and had millions, but he just didn't respect me enough to pay on time.

[LoyceV]

It looks like the current reason for late payments is different, and if an escrow takes over, it could be the last time payments were late.

It could or could not. Last time, in 2018, when there was a problem with late payments as well, and it was not the first time, the funds were held in escrow by the campaign manager. But if he doesn't fill the escrow on time, we have the same problem.

If the escrow gets ill, it's the same problem again. You can't prevent everything. Paying an escrow a fixed amount once every 2 months is less work than making weekly payments to many addresses.

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?

I'd say it's plausible, and it makes more sense than lightlord being out of money or just not caring anymore about the 2 (no doubt profitable) sites he owns.

I'm sorry, but if that statement was written by a member with less of a reputation, it would be criticized and dissected and analyzed under a microscope.

I like to think that established community members deserve a bit more credit than random users. If I'd be ill, I'd also appreciate it if people don't start doubting me and just believe real life sometimes messes up your online plans.

That's the gist of it, I personally wouldn't apply to any of his job offerings as I don't wanna put myself in the situation to basically beg to be paid for the work done.

Having to ask for your payment sucks big time indeed. After recovering, it might be good for lightlord to consider those small weekly payments mean a lot to some of the campaign participants on his payroll.