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I know that he is an old, well-known member of the forum, and that, for example, in the past there have already been problems of this kind, in which The Pharmacist left him negative trust, later changing it to neutral when he paid.

Two things are happening today:

1) Excessively long delays in signature campaign payments, and
2) Delays in allowing withdrawals from casinos. You can see several cases of even weeks in the official thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1221154.4160)
3) Not paying his moderators or at least to do so on time, as promised, and again fail to communicate with them. (Edited to add this point on 10/21/2021 due to feedback left by trandhidung (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5364918.msg58223907#msg58223907), later changed to neutral (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5364918.msg58238232#msg58238232).)

When I started with the campaign, there was already a delay of about 5 weeks in paying us, then it went up to 6, then 7. Someone who had been with the campaign for a long time explained that in principle the payments were supposed to be weekly, but it usually took 2 weeks to pay, then 3, then 4.

It has to be said that when he pays with a backdated payment he gives a small bonus. The longer the delay the bigger the bonus.

In the end I left the campaign because I found a better one and I am still waiting to be paid for two weeks from 10-11 weeks ago.

In the middle of this, the campaign manager announced that the payments would be bimonthly. Something that I thought was not going to solve anything, because a person who pays you at 6-7 or 8 weeks when he has to pay you weekly, if he has to pay you every two months nothing guarantees that he is not going to do it every 3 or 4 months.

Now also, Lightlord has not logged in to the forum since September 26th. He might have had some personal problem or something but he should have left someone in charge. In a licensed regulated fiat casino, that would not happen.

Anyway, it seems that the man is like that and takes a long time to pay although he always pays in the end but I understand that his behavior is at least morally questionable.

I don't know what you think.

This is unethical activity. The rules, in my opinion, should always be the rules. I realize the lightlord campaign is one of the oldest on the forum, but if you recruited someone for a weekly work, why pay him after 2-3 weeks? That's a contract violation; since you have a campaign manager, why not delegate payment duty to him? I'm not sure, but I believe that's why Hhambuz abandoned the campaign. It's past time for his sig participants to speak up. I see he launched a token while also running two gambling sites, guy you can't do it all by yourself. Now I see why his campaign is one of the worst around; it's always open since no one wants to stay.

Chronology and actual situation for now possible: @CryptopreneurBrainboss, knows better, what happened to: @Lightlord, all this time, I think at least @Lightlord told @CBs, where, and how he is now, the reason is simple for now @CBs, trusted for @Lightlord campaign.

Payment issues, 1-4 weeks, in lump sum payout, maybe I don't know much about that and also the campaigns: BITVEST and 777Coin, I've never been a participant, My response, the factor that causes payments up to two months at a time, is because weekly payments are too low in BTC for participants, can't be sent, high fees, higher shipping costs than income, maybe.

In my opinion, you should ask @CBs directly, the real situation, of course my talk doesn't touch on the neutral left by: @The Pharmacist, that's another story, he knows better to turn negative to neutral.

CB will pause the campaign after this current round, in case that the previous rounds were not processed/paid yet which is likely.
It is the best thing to do for now.

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If I recall correctly, I also have two unpaid rounds when I left the campaign.
Edit: It was Round 137 and Round 138.

You have done well to write about his lapses and why this keeps on happening. Someone should try to alert us about what's happening, although I don't know is present situation maybe his sick or not but it will be okay if anyone knows his telegram or Instagram handle so that we can know his present status not judging blinding without obvious information about what could have gone wrong.

My take: if the people involved don't create a scam accusation or leave negative feedback, I'd say users who aren't directly involved shouldn't bother about this either.

I participated in the Bitvest campaign for a few months, and I can say that this was one of my main objections. Uncertainty. I never knew when and if I would get paid for the work. In my opinion, that's not a good approach, no matter how big or small the campaign, how long it runs or who runs it.

As in RL, when someone is hired to do a specific job and signs a contract, the moment the job is done, the money is no longer yours, but theirs, and you are obliged to compensate them for their work.

@LoyceV, I think everyone has a right to their opinion in a public forum, especially if asked by the OP.

I agree with this, if the people in the campaign don't care why should we?
If the campaign thread was willed with dozens of people screaming where is my money, then I can see a discussion being needed.
There are a few of them, but from a quick look it appeared most people were if not O.K. with it, at least not stressed out and screaming about it.

As for the casino payouts being delayed, that is a different discussion and Lightlord should be addressing those issues.

-Dave

Yes, I've got to admit I found it unacceptable that the 777coin signature campaign went from weekly to fortnightly then started dragging on from their without any official explanation, or even response to repeated inquiries from more senior participants.  I too found a new signature campaign and moved on - and I have sympathies to those who are still awaiting payment.

My advice to anyone looking to join ANY SigCamp:  Choose more carefully which campaign you join - especially if it is well documented that the Campaign doesn't pay in a timely manor.

He’s done it many times before, I remember a few years back it was a 12-13 week delay. It was actually me who PM’d The Pharmacist to get involved & try to help. I wasn’t a DT Member back then so I was really frustrated at not being paid so I reached out to The Pharmacist.

lightlord only paid once he received negative trust from The Pharmacist.

Inexcusable to be honest, some people in poorer countries rely on signature campaign pay to help them live.

I posted about this in 2018 & it seems like nothing has improved.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545750.msg48445302#msg48445302

I would suggest people remove their 777Coin avatars & sigs, don’t give him free advertising.
I assume he’s pulling the same thing with his Bitvest posters too.

We cannot expect many to take this step and to risk losing their position in the campaign, especially if, as you mentioned, it represents a significant source of income for some of them. Due to their unique Tier-based system, many participants had to work for months, and some even for years, to earn their positions on the list.

I believe the campaign manager should take responsibility for this and make a decision.

Are there sufficient funds in the escrow address to pay participants?
I’m on the road, only have mobile use so difficult to check.

Edit - And who is the campaign manager?

Edit 2 - Seems it’s all on lightlord, the campaign manager doesn’t process the payments.


I’m happy to give lightlord neg trust if he doesn’t pay in the next 2-3 weeks.

Just to clarify that although I am no longer part of the campaign, I am somehow involved because I have been owed two weeks for more than two months. We are quite a few people in this situation, we left the sig campaign when the rates went down about two months ago, but he still owes us money. As for those who are still in those campaigns (there are two, 777 and Bitvest), there are some complaints, but I guess they don't make much noise first because they know that although it takes time, they end up paying, and I suppose for fear that complaining too much might end up working against them. .


You and LoiceV know more about how reputation and Trust works on this forum than I do but to me they seem like two facts that at least seem morally questionable of the reputation of the same person.

Regarding this fact, there was the case of a member who had invested a considerable amount in Bitvest's Banrkoll. When he went to withdraw it, it took him three weeks or more and he said he had had problems with his wife about it. In another case, someone won a good amount and because the withdrawal took a long time to process he ended up gambling and losing it all.

I think I'll leave neutral feedback reflecting this for the time being.


As you have seen, Brainboss is the campaign manager and I think the opinion of the vast majority of us is that he is an excellent campaign manager. Besides the fact that he, effectively, does not have access to the funds. It is Lightlord who makes the payments.

@Poker Player

Let’s give lightlord a week or two & if he doesn’t pay up I will paint him red. What do you think?
Please remind me if I forget.

You could start a flag if you are financially affected by him (he owes you pay).

Same old, same old.  I would never join a campaign that he's in charge of, unless he hired a very reputable manager, of which there are only a handful on the forum.  Last time he had Lutpin run his campaigns, you know what happened--a similar thing to what you described in the OP.

Campaign managers that don't respect their participants annoy me to no end, and that includes late payments.  They have a job and the participants have a job, even though there's no contract, and I think the relationship ought to function like a RL employer-employee one, where it would be unacceptable to hand out a paycheck late.  That's especially important at a time like this, when bitcoin is being very volatile.  A delay in payment of even 12  hours could mean that the participant loses a lot of purchasing power.  Bitcoin is money, right?

Props to Foxpup and DarkStar_, by the way.  

No offense, but that's the absolute opposite tactic you should take.  The participants should stand in a united front and demand payment immediately.  That way there would be no chance of retaliation, unless he decided to fire all of you at the same time.  I understand that's the reason why most campaign participants don't complain.  Hopefully that's the reason and not that they're all satisfied to be treated like suckers.

I don't think that a signature campaign payout is enough for someone who lives in a poor country, I am from one of that and I can attest that it's not enough money even if I go for the maximum amount post per week. Signature campaign is just a side hustle and shouldn't be treated as a job. As for @lightlord, I think that there's going to be some level of tolerance before things go sideways and I think that @lightlord owes us explanation for the long absence and the prolonged delays in payment. Personally, I don't mind the delays as long as they pay but I understand that we're not all the same so it's best if there's action to be done.

I have left neutral feedback for the moment, but reflecting these facts. Yes, let's give it a couple of weeks.


Hey The Pharmacist, I agree with you, but I think that here when you say "campaign manager" you should say "campaign owner", because the campaign manager is Brainboss and his behavior has been excellent. Another thing is Lightlord's.

Brainboss is running the campaign well though. even posted just recently to pause the campaign if lightlord does login yet. it was said that he is sick as said in this thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5364608.msg58135487#msg58135487). sick is too general but it explains the long absence but maybe just a few minutes of his day to respond here.

no participants have come here to complain though. but this i guess is because lightlord had run the campaign for a time.

After that Hhampuz managed the campaign for a while but I'm not exactly sure why Hhampuz quit the job. And CB came in. You possibly know recently he has announced about ElonCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5344245.0). I am in their discord and telegram group. In discord, DEV said that lightlord is sick and will be back. This is a news from September 16.
It's sad to see how bitvest and 777coin campaign is being run.

Hello guys. First of all, I would like to thank you because you opened this topic while you weren't a participant of the campaign. I can see that CryptopreneurBrainboss has been doing everything he can and he has been managing the campaign really good for a long time. And I think that the decision to pause the campaign is quite appropriate. I hope that lightlord gets well soon if he is having any health problem now. But the most salient point here is this actually: Even if lightlord makes the payments today, the same things will happen one more time in case lightlord disappears again. As far as I know, a gambler who hasn't withdrawn his money from Bitvest for a long time opened a topic about it on the forum. Obviously, the problem is not only about the signature campaign. I think that the current working of Bitvest is harming its credibility. For example, if something bad happens to Steve, we are all sure that none of these problems will happen on Sportsbet.io.

Yeah, I meant no criticism toward CBB; I didn't even know he was managing the campaign when I wrote my post, as I didn't read the entire thread beforehand.  I was thinking back to the Lutpin situation, when he and lightlord were both being derelict in their duties.  In this case lightlord should be giving CCB enough funds well in advance to pay the participants, and I'm not sure what the problem is this time, but I've left lightlord a negative.

You'd have to be extremely sick to not be able to send bitcoin to a campaign manager, like deathbed sick.  Unable to use your fingers sick.  And I seriously doubt that's the case with lightlord, given that he has a history of not giving a shit whether his campaign participants get paid. 

Yes, I agree. I am not sure where this "sick" news came from and how credible it is, but it is hard to believe. You must be really sick to not be able to send bitcoins from one address to another, or to send PMs to the manager of your campaigns to let him know what is happening. My apologies to the lightlord if he is in a fucking coma or something, but based on my previous experience, I doubt that is the case.

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As of now, Brainboss has updated the bounty threads, and campaigns are now "on hold." Kudos for that, by the way.

I didn't realize it's been this long! At 150 to 2200 sat/post and up to 60 posts per week, that's up to $700 per person.

Since Lightlord pays a bonus for late payments it doesn't seem like he doesn't have the money. It looks like he doesn't have the time, in which case he should just hire a trusted escrow to make payments on time.

I wondered why Hhampuz stopped managing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg53651810#msg53651810) both Bitvest and 777coin signature campaigns sometime back, and yet he's a very good manager especially when it comes to casino related campaigns, well, I can now clearly see why.



But their pay per post ratio isn't even that good compared to so many active campaigns that pay out weekly right now. If I were in their position, it doesn't make sense having to wait for weeks, yet there are better campaigns. I would leave in a blink.

I had to dig to find this post, but I thought it was worth quoting here so that everyone knows that lightlord acknowledged that he needs to monitor his campaigns/campaign managers more closely so that the campaigns run smoothly:

This was when Lutpin was managing two of lightlord's campaigns, and even though lightlord tries to shift the blame to Lutpin for the late payments, he obviously knows he's the boss and is ultimately responsible for participants getting paid.

If I were a participant or manager of the campaign then I would leave the campaign if payment was not held on time. On-time means what was promised, it would week or months. So the behavior of Lightlord isn't acceptable at all. I am not sure if this thread would help to get participant's rewards, otherwise, you might ask the manager about real-time updates. If all tries failed then you might create an allegation about not distributing campaign rewards. We aren't involved with that campaign and we can't decide anything suddenly.

Based on the spreadsheet, the total amount overdue for the last 10 rounds is: 0.2359419 (Bitvest) + 0.1070795 (777Coin), or about $19,000 based on Bitcoin's current value (not including bonuses). Quite a bit, I must say.

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I'm not entirely sure because I wasn't around at the time. The last time I checked (a few months ago) I believe Brainboss gets about $50 a week as a manager, which is a bit below Hhampuz's standard after all.  ;)


True, but many of these members would not even be accepted into better paid campaigns due to their post quality. In fact, If you look closely, there are some members out there who post exclusively in local boards without earning a single merit in months.

I happen to stumble upon the thread and found Brainboss did send lightlord messages and talks about it.
Also, Brainboss isn't paid for 10 or more weeks himself so Blaming the manager isn't a good thing if anyone does that he clearly mentioned lightlord handles payments and he's there just to manage the spreadsheets and post counts.

I think lightlord will pay but delays are somewhat annoying to the users I can see.

Our relationship with Lightlord is like employee and employer. In its simple form, the attitude of employer who constantly makes late payments will lower the morale and motivation of his employee. I've been in this campaign for a year and he only paid out once, exactly when I needed it. With this attitude, is not acceptable he owes us a big sorry.

Are you still owed money? If so, you would have standing to open a scam accusation against Lightlord that should result in negative trust given that he is apparently 10 weeks behind in payments. Any negative trust he receives should be removed once he catches up on payments.

Given the "bonus" being given for late payments, I would encourage those owed money to remain patient. Although at one point I would suggest that participants leave the campaign until/unless payments are caught up.

that's right, we shouldn't rush into condemnation. User @lightlord is offline for about two weeks and we don't know what is the reason for that. I don't think there is any idea of deception here, especially after many years of this campaign (As I know these are the most enduring signature campaigns)
Also, I don't want to justify the current situation, this is not the first drama of its kind when it comes to his campaigns, so it is now clear that this is negligent and unprofessional management.

Reading through the replies since my post of yesterday, I was going to give lightlord negative/distrust today, but I'll err on the side of caution and give them the benefit of the doubt as LFC_Bitcoin has done and wait until the 31st of October to proceed with that course of action, unless lightlord makes a statement prior to that date.


Neither of whom have participated in this thread - what is their connection?

I would actually prefer payments to be sent in a lump sum but that is not the case. Every few weeks they send separate payments for each week that was due. When I first started in the campaign I was earning like 5k sats or less per week and would spend a lot in fees to consolidate those dust amounts. The mempool was more congested back then so at 1 sat/byte fee sometimes it would never confirm and had to make the fee higher.

I just want to request some time to be given before any action be taken. Hopefully lightlord is recovery from whatever he's facing and he'll respond to my PM. He has never been this absence which means something very serious has to be the cause. This campaign has been active for more than a year and half under my management and up till last 10 rounds payment hasn't be owed, delays do occur but payment has always been made, not many projects can boost of that.

Many members wouldn't stand a chance in other campaign if this campaign was to be forcedly closed due to the negative feedback it'll receive assuming its intact isn't to scam which I strongly believe so, as much as other present participants of both campaigns. Infact as I announced a decision to pause campaign, I received plead by members both publicly and via private message not to end campaign believing lightlord would pay but I had no choice but to paused the campaign.

Lets give him some more time, and if there's no welcoming development then I'll have to stop campaign and the tags can start coming in. For now the story is he's sick so please lets give him that benefit of doubt for couple of weeks.

I disagree with that, since this is the second time his campaign participants have had serious issues with payment.  It's just not acceptable behavior, and I thought I was being generous last time by changing my negative to a neutral.  This time I think he's earned a neg, regardless of what reasons or excuses he has for not paying out and not communicating.  Enough is enough with this guy.

That's an open secret, where have you been?

How much more time are you willing to give him?  I think you ought to come up with a hard deadline before entreating the campaigners to be patient, because this could go on and on indefinitely.  I understand you don't want to end the campaign, but there comes a time in situations like this where you have to cut bait and move on. 

I don't understand your argument about members not being able to get into other campaigns.  If that's true, that would be because they're shitposters, not because they were involved with your campaign.  Nobody's going to neg you or your participants because they were associated with lightlord, if that's what you're thinking.

He told you that?

Not that per se, speaking of the merit aspect. These days that's a major criteria for getting into the newly launched campaign and most of my participants don't have much of those and that's not because they're shit posters per se. Also we have some very old members that don't care so much about the merit system like the new and hungry members hunting for merits so they can rank up, get picked for new slots on campaign etc.

This users are just enjoying their stay here and you can't say they're after the monetary value as they aren't getting paid as much as their counterparts in other campaign, they're just comfortable. Also for the member rank, not many campaign offer such opportunity, which is why they won't stand a chance.

I understand you have a history with lightlord but maybe a week or two just for additional confirmation. It'll be unfair for we to just jump into conclusion of he scamming us after been this consistent for years. I'm not trying to defend his actions here please, infact I condemn them, just airing my opinion.

If he pays his debt, there is no reason why he should have a negative.

The threat of a negative rating is a primary reason why many honor their debts, and the potential for a negative to be removed is a reason why someone will pay a delinquent debt. If negative ratings remain after someone has honored their commitments, why would someone repay a delinquent debt, but more importantly, why would someone complain about a delinquent debt if doing so will mean the debtor will receive a prominent negative rating?

I agree that the behavior is unacceptable, but is not something that warrants a permit negative. He is compensating those who he is late paying with a bonus.

Actually I haven't been able to contact him since obviously he hasn't been online for sometime now but the information on one of this other projects discord group from supposedly one of his administration is that, he's sick.

https://i.imgur.com/okj6Qzh.jpg

Which is why I said for now, the story is that he's sick. Just like the participants I'm also been owned for 10 weeks and I won't hesitate to let out my frustrations if the issue isn't resolved in 2weeks time maximum.

I don't know, QS, why do credit rating agencies keep people's FICA scores at 600 for years when they don't pay their credit card bills?  Why are men being fired from their jobs for mere accusations of sexual misconduct?  Why do people earn reputations as being unreliable, or liars, or scammers?  Why do we tag anyone on this forum for scamming?  Those are all questions as good as the ones you're asking, yet those things happen.

In addition, regardless of whether red trust flips that moral switch in lightlord's head, triggering him to withhold payment from everyone he owes, that trust should stand as a future warning to anyone thinking of joining one of his campaigns.  Obviously the neutral trust he got the last time didn't do the trick, or nobody cared.

@CryptopreneurBrainboss  - how much is currently owed at participants?  And, how much would be owed to participants between now the the 31^st of October this year?  I'm just trying to get a feel for how much is owed to everyone involved in the two campaigns you manage.  (I'm not after a line-by-line break down, just an overall figure).

@Timelord2067, All the information are on the spreadsheet available to the public, at the button you can see total Bitcoin to be payout to participants in every round (weekly), you can check it out if you wish to see the total for all previous rounds for both campaigns.. The campaign has been paused by me meaning no promotion are required from the participants and anyone doing that is doing some free advertising. Also since the reward system is pay per post, I can't give you the estimate you're asking for but again, you can get an idea by looking at previous rounds from spreadsheet.

I only ask because I don't know how many weeks behind the various recipients are owed their back pay - I did see ten weeks in one post, is this correct?  Also, another post made mention of a "bonus" being paid as a "late fee" - is this paid across the board?

Lenders will treat potential borrowers differently if a potential borrower is currently delinquent on a loan, compared to a borrower who was previously delinquent, but is now current/paying as agreed. 

IMO being fired for a mere accusation is inappropriate, but a substantiated accusation of sexual misconduct is obviously more serious than not paying your bills on time.

Tags are given out as a deterrence to scamming. A flag for a contract violation should be opposed (and support should be withdrawn) if the damaged party has been made whole. The statement that is made when supporting a contract violation reads, in part:

Hey. I didn't expect this thread to have had so many responses in such a short time.

First to The Pharmacist: Brainboss does not have access to funds. You can see that at present it is different from the case you comment on Lutpin. It is Lightlord who makes the payments.


Here I agree more with The Pharmacist. I have left Lightlord neutral feedback for the moment, but I think everyone who deals with him on money matters should be aware of how he behaves.

I am still owed money by Lightlord, Quickseller, I said so on the first page.

The fact that I do you a service and you, who have promised to pay me next week take 4,5, 10 weeks to pay me or more, seems to me at least morally questionable and at least makes me doubt whether I should leave him negative feedback as The Parmacist has done.

Since he's supposedly sick, I'm going to do what I said, wait a couple of weeks and see how it goes.

Where exactly is your doubt here? It looks like he already had red trust a couple of years ago and it was revised to neutral... Second chances are great and all, but this one's blown bigly and seems like proven "high risk" behavior.

It's not so much doubt as insecurity, and more so now that I'm in D2, I don't want to rush. I opened this thread to see what people thought but since I can change the feedback to negative at any time, it looks like I will end up doing it.

I know you have previously also stated about the long delays in payment from the campaign and i think that at current 10 weeks payment have been due to the participants which is long delay.Along with you some other's also claimed not to be paid on regular intervals and just received the previous funds when the next week comes.

There are some other participants also who are facing the similar situations awaiting for the payments for the weeks.


Just today there was a scam accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5364608.0) against Bitvest by one of the newbie opened up in gambling discussion section.I have not played on casino but it seems from the discussion that hot wallets are empty most of the time which delays the withdrawal of players and same issues there also.


The  lightlord (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30541) made the last post with round 133-136 payments but the spreadsheet has been updated with round 146 payments also by the manager which makes 10 weeks delay in payments which is big.

But @OP you are lucky to be selected in second highest paying signature campaign on the forum because these issues might remain the same and participants waiting for some more weeks payment.

This was the calculation I did a few posts back. CryptopreneurBrainboss can confirm whether this is correct.

Thank you for informing me of this thread, as I was unaware that it had been opened. I don't want to repeat here what was said there, but summarizing a lot, proper businesses that move a lot of money, think about that according to Stalker22 are owed over $20K just in advertising, they don't get paralyzed because there is a single person who gets sick.

Can anyone imagine not getting their payroll because their boss got sick? And I'm talking about someone who works in a company where money flows, like money flows in 777 and Bitvest casinos. A proper business has to have foreseen how to keep the business running if the owner gets sick.

Who runs multiple websites and never checks on them or goes months without checking on them? If you are that type of person, why wouldn't you have a second in command to communicate what may or may not be going on? At the very least Lightlord should have someone who has multiple ways to get a hold of him to top up wallets for both the websites and the campaigns.

I've seen multiple people say give him more time, and others who have made good points as to how other members would be treated. I think the community needs to stand up for itsself here and say enough is enough. If this was 1 time, I would say look the other way since he has been running the sites for years now. Obviously this is not 1 time and shouldn't be acceptable.

Thanks for providing this information - although I'm prepared to accept the "benefit of the doubt" arguement for the last two or three weeks being described as "sick leave", I can't help but wonder why @lightlord said nothing in the intervening seven or eight weeks prior to that??

Or, in the preceding twelve or more months since the payments to participants slipped from weekly to semi weekly then every once in a while.

While it's true that with great power comes great responsibility (Spidey senses are tingling), let me give you a small piece of advice: Sometimes you have to be bold, and this is one of those cases IMO where the use of your DT2 powers is justified--and I've already given my reasoning on that in my previous posts, so I won't repeat the same arguments again.

That's a very interesting turn of phrase, one I may steal from you for use away from this forum.  

Yeah, I'm not holding CCB accountable for any of this.  It's all on lightlord.  Doesn't he send the funds to CCB to pay out the participants, though?  That's the way other campaigns work.  Maybe I didn't read deeply enough into this thread, but I thought I read all the pertinent facts.

Well i joined 777 Signature campaign 2 months ago, it was written that the payments are bi-monthly so i joined this campaign and i also planned to do some thing which those amount, but 2 months passed and not recieved single payment till now.
This thing should not happen because i only joined because i read that i will get paid in 2 weeks, even if i get paid now that will not compensate the thing that when i needed the money I did not got that, i planned something with those funds and due to this i am not able to do that.

No, actually
After the management of the campaign was transferred to CCB, it was LL that was sending payments now since, while before it was Hhampuz that both manages the campaign while also processing the payments.
Not sure why though

By the way, these are the addresses that lightlord makes 777 and Bitvest signature campaign payments through;
1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr and 1777CoinbQutKJdCsMryj5CcEWGwx2sWRw .

There is no transaction that has been made through these addresses also. Maybe this can make us keep our hopes up about that lightlord is really in no condition to get access. But still, I think that people on forum should show a firm attitude against lightlord as this situation doesn't happen for the first time.

We have an idiom in Turkey:


Don't say you have signature campaign reward until lightlord send it  ;) :D As far as I understand, there is a statement that he is sick and eloncoin's discord channel admin made this statement. I tried to join this channel, but the invite link has expired. Can someone who is already on this channel contact this admin to get new information. He'd have to be on his deathbed or something like that to stay away that long.

Makes you wonder if in the future if this campaign continues lightlord would be willing to use a 2 of 3 multisig wallet with CryptopreneurBrainboss and a trusted 3rd person.

When sending payments lightlord & CryptopreneurBrainboss both have to sign off on it. But if lightlord goes dark again CryptopreneurBrainboss can contact the 3rd person, send out whatever BTC is sill sitting in the wallet and halt the campaign.

And for good measure make sure that on average there is at least a few weeks of BTC in the wallets. So if a very long delay like this happens again people many not get the full amount they are owed they at least get some.

It is far from an ideal situation, but it might work.

-Dave

When I did a little research, the account named @Zodiac1233 is another founder of bitvest. He's also lightlord's childhood friend (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=21720) . I tried to send mail but it could not be delivered. For now, I think we can reach the most accurate and clear information from the zodiac.

This is a good find. Most of his posts last year (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21720;sa=showPosts) clearly show that he's part of the Bitvest team. Maybe a developer.

What is disappointing is that he has also been offline since August 06, 2021

I don't know if there are any issues coming up on Bitvest and 777coin, but I would certainly stop using those sites as a precaution.

Seems like you were well aware of what you were getting yourself into when you signed up to take part in the campaign.  I would advise you to avoid participating in services if you don't like how the service is run.  Joining and then complaining seems counterintuitive.  Not to mention now you're literally shitting on the campaign and probably expecting to stay in it and keep getting paid.  People here get pretty emotional when the mouth they're feeding bites them.  I would advise you to exercise your freedom of choice if you do not like the campaign you are in.

What are you talking about Og? As he stated in the first post, Poker Player is no longer participating in the Bitvest campaign, but still has an outstanding claim.


Besides, you may have overlooked the fact that lightlord owes both campaigns participants for more than 10 weeks now. This has grown into a substantial amount:

What's even more interesting is their last post (in August 2020) reads in part:


and then there's this:


Six days later, it's business as usual:


Coincidentally, Zodiac1233 was Last Active:    2021-08-06, 12:43:39 (GMT +10 OR 02:43:39 GMT +0) - four hours prior to lightlord posting the above.

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As far back as 25 Nov 2013 01:32:36 UTC with just 89 posts (and having registered on Date Registered:    June 11, 2011, 03:43:58 AM GMT) Zodiac1233 was active in the 777coin campaign and had on their profile that they are from Canada - Archive [1a (https://archive.ph/kNBBn#selection-525.9-529.6)], [1b]

I haven't delved into the spread sheet to see when Zodiac1233 joined that campaign - anyone?

Also, can anyone confirm who other "owners" / "admin of the two sites are? 

I have concerns that these two were registered on the forum seventeen days apart:  (and are "childhood friends")

Joining after a few days could be recommended by Lightlord to their childhood friend in any case it's both went inactive but there's a huge gap between them being inactive.
I am not sure if they're owned by the same person why would lightlord say it's his friend in the first place, Someone who tries to hide their account's connection mostly tries to avoid direct contact but there's a feedback sharing "Childhood friend" that seems legit to me.

First of all:

https://i.postimg.cc/mD2C2Hnn/lightlord.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Hopefully this will be resolved soon.


I have been reading about the Trust system recently and have started my custom trust list. You are one of the ones I have added. I have also changed the tag from neutral to negative.


Really, OG? Stalker22 has already told you, but I will expand on it. For someone who has been on the forum for so long, who is legendary and donator, I would expect more than a response that indicates you haven't read anything I've said. Even if you have read what I said, you haven't read it thoroughly because you haven't understood anything.

Finally someone brought this up.

I was part of the 777 coin campaign circa 2020 and the delay started during the COVID pandemic.

Started off 1 week late, which then progressed further to 2, 3 and so forth.

The thing is, he's not shedding light (pun intended) on what's happening.

Also his free BTC thread has been abandoned while some members continue to post, in hopes of getting free reloads or just to fulfil their quota. Should be removed since its dead.

@lightlord (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30541), was active today, did he know of this situation or had someone inform him of this matter.

I think someone should PM one more time for @lightlord, responding to this issue.

I hope he can make the campaign participants relieved this time, what will his next response be?

After i came across that thread in gambling discussion i pop up to your thread and thought of sharing with all of us here that there are many others also facing some similar issues.There are huge amounts owned to the third party and participants of the campaign who are eagerly waiting for the amounts to be credited to the account.As i am aware there were always minor delays in payment and they paid it with bonus but later on they keep on increasing the waiting period like bi- monthly and now 10 weeks are pending.The situations are becoming worse for the members now as many have claimed after you opening up the thread.

Yes i also saw that he was active today but his last post are still dating back to Sep 1st regarding the Eloncoin and after that he has not posted anything.But he must give concern to the matter here as members are not asking for loan or free money but for the weeks they have worked.So the matter should be resolved.

Is there any progress @CryptopreneurBrainboss? We saw him logged into his account today, maybe he replied to you?

My prediction @lightlord will give an explanation about his condition and then made fully payment the signature payments he owes. After that happen, he will paid the signature participants on time based his explanation (weekly or biweekly). Probably 2-3 years in the future he will repeat his mistake and we will see similar problem again ;D

Based on his reputation and his both casinos in this forum, the chance is slim if the want to scam.

From recollection, both signature campaigns (although paid in Bitcoin) are also calculated per post in Bitcoin too (in much the same way that coin mixing service was until very recently). Am I remembering this correctly?

With the price if Bitcoin rapidly rising over the last ten weeks. Lightlord etc might not be able to source enough Bitcoin with their funds at hand.

He hasn't but I'm quite sure he has seen my message, and from the look of things he has also seem this thread because the red tagged are quite visible now.

I don't know if he'll pay or not which is why I was of the opinion of giving him more time to login in first before decision were taken on tagging him. The tags doesn't make it any easier as he can decide not to pay now since even though he pays the tags would likely not be removed. Participants are been owned here for 10weeks and I was looking for a means of making it easier for them to get paid first before actions are taken.

Maybe a neutral would had been best to warned then after a specific time when we have confirmed he doesn't want to pay then flags and red tagged would be initiated but guess we have to see how it plays out now. Well the community knows best so we'll go with them and hopefully it plays out to our favour.

Did you wipe it (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-02_Sat_06.08h/2836461.html) by accident?

Report the thread, so a Mod can lock it.

Lets say he pays what he owes and he wants to continue the campaign, he should use an escrow to hold the fund for the campaign at least for few rounds as what he did last year when Hhampuz hold the address 1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr so the same mistake will not repeat again in the future.

No, that was my dog (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.msg58085186#msg58085186).

Can't you see my current list?

I have now started to make another one, and although I have reread your thread, I think it will take me a while to understand 100% how it works. I will probably go to your thread to ask dummie questions (or my dog will go).

When you create a default trust list (as opposed to a trust feedback post) it will look something like this:

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-09_Sat_06.10h/21720.html

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Currently, your own trust list looks like this:

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-09_Sat_06.10h/2836461.html (note you can go back through the weeks and review your changes in previous week's).

Are you really worried that he may run away because of a few negative tags on his profile? No, I don't think so. This isn't the first time this has happened and trust feedback can very easily be changed to neutral. By the way, what timeframe did you specify? I thought you said the last payment was over ten weeks ago? Not to add insult to injury, but you shouldn't have allowed this amount of debt to accumulate. Not with lightlord's reliability in question.

Anyway, am I the only one who sees a bit of silver lining in putting these campaigns "on hold"? I have a feeling the moderators will finally get some well-deserved rest.  ;D

@Timelord2067 and @LoyceV

Loyce.club needs to be updated, then. That data is 12 days old. Look at the date of the link.

10 weeks in arrear? That's insane!

So. If it's 3 days old and I started another one yesterday, it won't appear. Let's keep these discussion for your trust thread.

The trust pages are updated once per week (only a narcissist would want an hourly, or even a daily update) the two examples I have quoted have information - if you know what to look for. In the case of your own trust list, you can review who you have previously trusted/distrusted, while in the other example I show that lightlord (the subject of this thread) is DT trusted by Zodiac1233.

If Zodiac1233 is an alt, then it's trust abuse... QED

Zodiac1233 is not in DT or in anyone's trust list.

Narcissist?

I will tell you what is narcissistic.

Narcissistic is to keep insisting that you know my trust settings better based on loyce.club instead of what I base them on, which is my trust settings.

Narcissistic is accusing me of being a narcissist for supposedly wanting an hourly or daily update of loyce.club when I don't give a damn when it updates because I see custom trust list instantly in my trust settings.

And narcissistic is to keep insisting on this topic in this thread that goes about Lightlord's reputation, when I have already asked that if something is to be commented on this, it should be commented on in LoyceV's thread.

I understand that threads usually drift a bit off topic, but if I see just one more comment about this in this thread I'm going to report it for off-topic.

Does this seem narcissistic enough to you?

Going back to the topic:


I understand that Brainboss is more concerned because he is also owed money from managing two campaigns during all this time. It must be a respectable amount and more for someone living in Nigeria.

I believe, Brainboss, that there is no need to be afraid. Lightlord should pay because if not instead of getting 4 negative feedbacks saying he pays late, he will get more than a dozen feedbacks saying he is a scammer. There are people who have some negative feedbacks and keep working on the forum, like for example Best Change, and you know it.

I in my case changed the feedback from neutral to negative because after rereading about the trust system, I didn't see the point of my feedback being neutral. I didn't put it neutral from the beginning because Lightlord has been on the forum for a long time, he is a donator, etc.

I was the part of one the campaign (777coin) for years but recently i left the campaign few months before. I had the experience of getting the late payments but they were always paid and with bonus too. I never thought all this awkward situation will develop one day.

I hope Light Lord pay to his loyal signature fellows who trusted him and worked for 10 weeks without pay.  I hope he will not break the trust of so many people.

I was also a part of the campaign and BrainBoss managed it perfectly.
The only drawback is that lightlord paying late and some participants had problem due to them needing the money in their Life but it was never a problem for me.

I would also suggest that it's not the Fault of BrainBoss that things turned out this way and It's wouldn't be wise to tag him for something that's mentioned on thread regarding payments.

You need to take a chill pill, Pal. 

No one has accused you of anything.

So lightlord came online and has not given answer to anyone and not even replied to the campaign manager, dont know he even read all this or not. It would be better if he left some message on what is the issue so that all the participants could have get a bit relaxed. For now it is still a mystery when we gonna get paid. :(

This is the case that means she is looking for a reason not to pay campaign participants. This should not be a good reason for not paying, this is have nothing to do with the participant because participants are not tagging him or not taking any action. The tag has been given by DT members, just put a warning, so before joining users will be aware of his activities. There would happen any problem so Lightlord should explain the situation and payout. The red tag is removable, if he can show a reasonable reason, then obviously DT members would reconsider the red tag.

I have remembered a few days back regarding at scam allegation, I have sent PM to Lightlord about the allegation because it was looked legit to me.  But I hadn't got any response from him even he was online, nor did anyone from his support team respond to the allegation. This isn't the right way to handle a campaign or allegation at all.

@CryptopreneurBrainboss, the community would ask as well to you why have you run a campaign for TEN weeks since Lightlord not paying? You can't ignore your responsibility as well. Hope you are trying your best to resolve the allegation about the participant's payments.

If you checked his posts, he has been actually managing his side project and hiring some new positions, roughly 15 weeks ago.

Well...

Well...

Well...

you were faster than me  ;D

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I think this issue of late payments is something that the manager and the casino owner need to come to terms with, something like always leave in advance the payment of 4 or 8 weeks with the manager, if the casino owner knows that the campaign is for the long term, he should think about leave in advance the money of 4 or 8 weeks to the manager, this will avoid delays in payment.

I will put in escrow in the campaign, so payment is every week and on time without delay going forward

Yeah, ok. We are good now.


Hello Lightlord. Glad you are better, if you were sick as stated on the forum. I have nothing personal against you.

In my case, that I was one of those who left you negative feedback, being that it is not the first time this happened, for me to change it would have to spend a long, long time seeing that payments are made weekly without any problem.

Well, at least we know you're alive and well.  ;)

Yes, that would be good. Or, if you trust your bounty manager, you could also transfer the funds to him a few weeks in advance, and let him handle the payouts each week. That way, he can easily put campaigns on hold if you disappear again. You don't need to go through all this drama every few months over and over.

What's the point of escrowing the funds( elsewhere) when you have a long-term relationship with a trusted and reputable manager, CB? Managers, like any other campaign on the forum, should be the ones to pay. Your response, on the other hand, comes as a huge relief to your sig team. Let's see how this story unfolds over the next 48 hours.

lightlord always seems willing to pay once he gets red trust & people call him out. It shouldn’t come to that tbh but at least he’s seemingly going to pay. Hope this is the kick up the ass lightlord needed but we have been here before.

This isn't the community asking, this is you asking so I'll answer but it's quite obvious if you follow the campaign thread, after several delays in the past although all previous payout has been made after the delay, I decided to make things easier for the participants so they don't see it as a delay but like part of the system. Usually they get paid every 6-7 weeks for a weekly campaign so why not make it a bi-monthly campaign so they program themselves of recieving the payment every two months then also it'll help lightlord out for whatever reason that makes him pay every 7weeks.

Majority where okay with this most especially as the campaign has paid them for years, after the 8week, payout spreadsheet got handle over to lightlord and we all were waiting for payment but it didn't get processed then the 9th week which then got to my attention he wasn't active on the forum to process the transaction. I couldn't just end the campaign then as every week that has begun has to be accounted for (thats my rule of management). I announce of pausing the campaign at the 10week if previous payment hasn't been made and still many came begging not to pause the campaign.

I can tell you for a fact that majority of the participants of the campaign don't care promoting for weeks as they are assured lightlord always pays and again this is the most consistent campaign currently on the forum and still paying in Bitcoin. Well things are looking good now and hopefully we find a way to works out things better for the participants because they deserve better for sticking to this projects for years even though it's not the best paying campaign out there.

In my opinion you should definitely escrow 2 to 4 weeks of payments with your campaign manager (brainboss) in advance so that this kind of mishap doesn't happen again.

This is a good thought considering your busy schedule (I assume).
A 2/3 multi signature wallet will do the job for you. You can be one cosigner and the others can be anyone from the forum.

In a multi signature wallet, he can send as much as he wants. After all, all this funds will be used to pay the participants.

So it's seems that he comes up with this thread and does not want to further deteriorate his image as red trust warning was given once again with the payment issue.But in the end participants will get much awaited payment which matters the most.I think this discussion has brought up to this early otherwise it could have delayed even more.



That sounds feasible option as it could have the manager and members trust that further weeks payment is safe and they will get them without any major delays and they don't regularly complaint about it.

Do you have any plans to escrow the funds just like what Hhampuz did before?. I know you are not Hhampuz but in that way participants won't worry anymore of these many weeks not getting paid yet. If I am one of the participants in any of lightlord's sig campaign then I would recommended you to escrow the funds as I am sure you'll do a great job. I know you also managed other campaigns.

I would also recommend the campaign's BM CryptopreneurBrainboss to escrow the funds.

Well this has been an issue for a while, people have known this is an issue and have continued doing business with him anyway. When he is late paying, he compensates those that he owes by paying extra. I am not sure what else you could ask of him.

In any event, it seems that lightlord has resolved the issue as he has agreed to keep payments in escrow.

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It seems that LL has a history of being slow to pay, potentially going back to 2013. He sent a positive trust rating to Nolo indicating he sent a bonus for Nolo having to wait.

When you are running a business and doing business with other businesses, one fact of life is that you will not always be paid on time.

But at the end of the day @quickseller, lightlord said nothing for ten weeks.

As has been said early in this thread, unless you really are on your death bed, then you should be making some sort of statement of intent to pay or not as the case may be.

It is not so clear to me that this avoids future problems. The last time there were problems, 3 or 4 years ago, the funds were in escrow and the payments were made by the campaign manager. Imagine that when the escrow is at 0 Lightlor disappears for several weeks. I think something like that happened.


I remind you that the feedbacks we have left are not for not paying. They are for late payment. When a person takes longer than promised to pay you, you never know if he will finally pay you until he does.


Yes, it is one of the things that reflects suchmoon's feedback: "fails to communicate". This is not the first time this has happened, as Quickseller says it goes back to at least 2013, so I am not going to change the feedback any time soon, nor do I think any of the others will. When an adult has a certain way of proceeding, it takes a lot to change it.

Exactly. Even if you're a late payer, at least providing updates or some reasonable explanation would soften the impact. If I were a CM, I'd be hesitant to continue a signature campaign if there are no payments after 2 weeks and nothing to inform the participants whatsoever.

Also most of us would expect BrainBoss to be entrusted with the funds given that he's managed multiple campaigns over the years and (supposedly) gained lightlord's trust.

Not sure what drugs Quicksy is on today, but being consistently late for long periods of time is contrary to sane expectations in a business deal. Having an eight year history of that kind of behavior is not a good thing.

Gotta say though I'm happy to see that some red trust ratings cured lightlord of whatever his illness was.

SSRIs are working quite fine. Thanks for the concern.

Trading partners are well aware of his tendency to change at late. He pays extra when he pays late. Late payments are common when dealing with businesses.

LL pays late but he also compensates for the late payments. If a late payment is a concern, you can look at his neutral trust.

LMAO.


You say trading partners as if the only people who do business with Lightlord are those who have known him all their lives.

When he takes a month to pay people who request a big withdrawal from his casinos does he also give extra money? I ask because I haven't heard anything about that. In the signature campaigns he does. I don't know if it will do much good to the one who ends up losing all his money before the withdrawal becomes effective, if Lightlord gives him some bonus satoshis.

Call me crazy if you want, because I don't know you, but seeing your red trust feedbacks, I think that defending Lightlord is a way of saying that in this forum feedbacks are given unfairly, and therefore your feedbacks were also unfair.

As Spock would say: "only quickseller would go into bat for lightlord at a time like this..."

The person who posted immediately prior to quickseller is just Trolling that person and isn't genuinely interested in helping with your plight.

I'll keep my negative trust feedback of lightlord for the time being - same as everyone else.

Regards,

people, maybe we should slow down a bit.
Yes, he was late with the payment and this is not the first time, but he has been running that campaign for years and why can’t we accept that he had some personal problems in real life? I don't know what the reason is, I don't even want to ask for his explanation for the delay. I guess he has a right to his privacy.
he also did not return and immediately started making excuses and asking for forgiveness. I believe he had a real reason to be absent and that there was no intention of deception here at any time.
running campaign 7+ years and during that time 2 or 3 delays, wherein the end everything paid off, it deserves to be well thought out before a final negative judgment is reached.

something else is the way to run a campaign and not use escrow so far, and here we can give a judgment, that he was not very professional for that.

I believe you missed the most important part of the conversation: both campaigns (777 and Bivest) pay members bi-monthly (8 weeks) and it took them another 2 weeks to wait for L.L to make his late payment as usual, making it a total of 10 weeks without payment.

This is the part I don't understand either



There is a difference between not having money to pay and having the mindset to always pay your employees whenever they bled out blood with a small bonus to shut them off, No clients would want to be paid late for business or work rendered; . He owns the two longest sig campaigns on the forum, which means he makes a lot of money from it, which is why both campaigns are still running.... LL must show respect.

Here you only talk about the sig campaigns. I will remind you of the other point we are talking about:

Good point but there is a significant detail here. IIRC Darkstar_ has been late once or twice, and I'm sure other reputable campaigns have had issues. You never see complaints about it because they communicate and don't make people wait for weeks in the dark.

It also has to be noted that no one is jumping to create a type 1 (high risk of losing money) or type 2/3 (contract violation) flags because lightlord does eventually pay after some prodding. However being consistently late to pay what you owe - from what I'm reading it happened more than 2-3 times - should not be considered normal business.

Having said that, I'd be happy to revise my trust rating after 10 campaign payments made on time. I don't really have a way to verify casino withdrawals though, so this is a whole different issue.

I'm still not in support of the negative feedback and already said it was too quick for this particular situation. I guess either his past behavior is hurting him now or people misunderstand what actual happened. The campaign was changed to bimonthly and I don't alert him of the payment until it was due. This decision was taken by me after delays were observed in the past and payment always came in the 6-7 week.

I informed him of payment been due in the 8week but he wasn't online to process the transaction as a result of the illness issues which immediate he came back he did respond to the thread and it wasn't like it was the red trust that got him speaking.

I should have made myself clear; I was referring to the standard signature campaign that pays out weekly, not 777coin and Bitvest.

Yes, of course. It can't be verified in the same way that signature campaign payments can be verified, but if there are still complaints about casino withdrawals, could we verify what the last accusation said?


I don't know 777coin and Bitvest hot wallets are identified. Signature campaign payments in Bitvest are made from an address containing the word Bitvest.


Well, and I said that this is not going to solve anything because if a person who has to pay you weekly, pays you after 6-7 weeks, if you tell him to pay you every two months, he can easily take 4 or 5 months to pay you.


Yes, well, I can believe that this time he has been sick, but it is not the first time it has happened, he was already negatively trusted in the past for the same thing, and that time he was not supposedly sick. It happened more or less the same as this time, and that time escrow was used, which is what is supposed to solve the problem from now on.

On the other hand, not logging in to the forum does not mean that you do not read it. I am often logged out and I read it, so we can't be sure that he didn't see what was being said about him without being logged in.

Well... I'm not sure where this person got their information from that I'm about to quote, (but they're on DT2, so it shows up in the trust feedback as "trusted")


if it is to be believed without a reference, lightlord *owns* bitvest.io, so yes, ran hail or shine the buck stops with lightlord to get participants paid on time.  

Weekly.  As advertised - even now, it says weekly.

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Second to last blue background "Payments sent on Mondays to Wednesday, Posts are counted Sunday to Sunday." - not every once in a while...

EVERY WEEK.

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They might pay members infrequently, however, they advertise to this day that they pay WEEKLY.

I just wanted to point out something completely different. many of us have a regular life outside of online activity, in this case, as far as I followed there were three delays with payment for 7+ years. I tend to believe that there were serious reasons for that.
my father has been sick for the last year, especially the last two months. I missed many things in the meantime and many jobs I didn’t finish or I was late. now that it's all over, I'm trying to fix what I can. something can happen to us that completely affects our regular routine and planned tasks. and it is often particularly difficult to explain the whole situation.

this may be partly the fault of the manager, as @suchmoon says, there were some problems with other campaigns as well, so the manager provided timely information or even stopped the campaign until the owner announces or pays the arrears. some even paid out of their own pockets.
perhaps in case, the manager stopped the campaign after the first week without payments, everything would look different if it was a smaller amount. and perhaps this would cause the campaign owner to activate earlier. yet these are only conjectures



Yes, I am talking about signature campaigns problems. I have seen the most attacks on lightlord because of it. I have never used these two casinos so I cannot say that I am competent to comment on their business.

You have not followed it very well or you have not understood it well. Let me explain: there have been at least hundreds of payment delays. I was part of that campaign for more than a year and I was paid on time only once out of six or so. As Timelord2067 rightly points out, it is a campaign that still advertises weekly payments. So let's not repeat the falsehood that it has only been three times. There have been hundreds of times over the years and only three times the delay was such that people started to complain a lot and there was a ruckus in the forum.


Well you are only seeing part of the reality. These are all comments from the last page in the official bitvest.io thread:


(This is actually a laugh because there has been a lot of talk about it in the thread, the only thing that has been covered up by people talking about the signature campaign in that thread.)





In this thread I was asking if Lightlord's behavior is acceptable, pointing out two facts. In the signature campaigns there have been many, many delays, not three. And in the casino there are many people complaining, so if you don't know the problem, and you don't want to investigate what is going on, at least don't try to justify Lightlord.

I agree with the majority here. This is lightlord's own fault for being in this situation. Someone has commented before that we need to give him some slack since he runs the two longest-running campaigns on the forum and may have also run into some personal issues that caused the delay in payments. I don't think that's the issue here.

Anyone who has ever participated in one of LL's campaigns knows that he has a history of failing to meet his obligations on time. The payments were supposed to be weekly, but he always paid them two or three weeks late. Then conditions changed to two-week payments, so the payment delays increased to 6-7 weeks. Finally, Brainboss introduced the concept of two-month payments in the hope that it would prevent recurring complaints from campaign participants, which led to this situation. Taking that decision was obviously meant to accommodate LL's irresponsible behavior, and I don't see how it was supposed to "make things easier for the participants".

If we look at it from a different perspective: Lightlord has accepted the this behaviour isn't acceptable by changing some rules on the campaigns. So we got the answer to the main question of the thread with this message :)

If you run a business there is NO WAY you are not checking on that business semi regularly. If you are responsible for a persons money, you should be available to talk or answer questions about the money or have a representative available to take care of issues for you.

We all appreciate Lightlord for running these campaigns for a long time. He is asking a service from users and should respect those users enough to commit to on time payments. Ask yourselves, if this was a regular job, would you work all week for your employer to say i'll pay you in 6 months? Or if you go to a live casino and win at Blackjack, would you appreciate the dealer calling the floor and them telling you come back next month for your money?

It's a respect issue for me. A small delay of 24 hours or something I suppose is acceptable, but 10 weeks for signature campaign payments is ridiculous. Anything longer then 24 hours on casino withdrawal is ridiculous.

Unless the guy has broken fingers, went blind, or is on a ventilator in the hospital with covid there really is no reason he cannot be more responsible.

C'mon man respect issue? That must be a joke.

I remember you were a campaign manager for NoobBit (yobit) well knowing it was a scam and had many allegations against them in past but you agreed to promote them or say manage their participants.

I'm quite surprised that how easily DT members let you off the hook, I wonder for how long you've seen sucking them, Specially muchmoon & suchgay.

And here I see you talk about respect, which made my day with a burst of laughter.

I know you're a troll and obviously not a very intelligent individual, but maybe do some research before you open your mouth unless you are just looking to stir up trouble. Which will only get you this 1 response.

Yobit was managed by me as a lesser of 2 evils. I asked the community, ahead of taking the job, how they would feel. Yobit was gonna run the campaign regardless. At least with me managing the spam level was significantly reduced. I removed over 500 spammers from the campaign in a few months and saved the forum thousands of reports from the morons who would have made those posts. Also, yobit was not promoting their exchange when I was managing, they were promoting their forum.

I know you are not gonna do any research before trying to make yourself look good, but I thought what i wrote was worth mentioning.

I definitely agree the communication, or the lack thereof is very unprofessional. He has also been barely posting, or not positing for those 10 weeks. I don't know what his setup is for his cold storage wallet, it may very well be that his private keys are stored offsite and needs to travel far to access his private keys. I think the fact that he posted that he will pay participants "within 48 hours" suggests that he does not have immediate access to his private keys (or at least he is trying to project this to be the case). I also don't know his personal situation over the past 10 weeks, and there were reports that he may have been sick.

Regardless of his private key situation, he should have been in better communication with those he owed money to.

You can look at his trust history and see that one of LL's first sent trust ratings mention that he payed his trading partner late.
That I do not know. I would assume that once someone requests a withdrawal, their account balance is immidiately deducted, preventing them from gambling with that balance. I am not sure if it is possible to cancel withdrawals in any of his casinos. It is however common for gamblers to withdraw when they are done gambling for the day, and to deposit again the next day (or a few days later) to gamble more.

So, what? One case does not make a general rule. There will be people who know what Lightlord looks like and don't care. But people who don't know him don't know how he behaves. For example people who join his signature campaigns for the first time or people who play in his casinos.


Your assumption is incorrect, and shows that you did not read the previous page of the thread, and it was not the first time it was mentioned.

By the way, Lightlord has just paid. Just in time. Just shortly before the 48 hours were up. I remember one time he said the 48 hour thing and we had to wait like for 5 days until we got the payment.

I would expect an early adopter to know to avoid dust inputs. Paying for 10 weeks in one transaction would have reduced the fees participants have to pay to consolidate the dust they've received. Such a missed opportunity when paying late anyway.
Take this address (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qt8p2furknhngg2pmjet0wrw0sfkx4s3caxyl9q) for example: 6 inputs, total amount received: 0.00017901 BTC.

I called it :D

Lightlord has paid everyone with the bonus. That must be sign of relief for signature campaign participants.

Also this shows that light lord had no intention of any scam but he don't have time as usual. Anyways i see that there is no change in the trust rating for him. I think he don't deserve red tag now and it should be neutral since the matter is resolved now.

The matter is resolved for now, but that doesn't mean it won't happen again. If you read carefully, most of those ratings still apply. It remains to be seen whether lightlord will change his business practices on this forum. As suchmoon wrote in his review, "Pretty much the definition of high risk".

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns continue, can you post here how many people left because of the late payments? I don't expect many of them to have left, and in that case I assume they don't consider lightlord to be high risk.

Question for CryptopreneurBrainboss: Once the campaigns begin, could you please post here how many posts people have actually made since October 10th?

Let's use Round 146 from the spreadsheet as a reference:
Bitvest signature campaign participants (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UaMGX7-U0OqnP8p0_efY6YHjpwSJqDi6yUE64K949MI/edit?usp=sharing)

Many were still willing to participate not minding if they haven't be paid for 10weeks they did have trust in lightlord of always paying. 99% are still willing to promote the campaign and already asking when they can resume both publicly and in DM. When you have proven to be consistent for years naturally you get trusted.


The spreadsheet is quite accessible to everyone and you can get whatever data you need from there. The campaign was paused so I don't expect people to make much post and if they did post or didn't, we don't have an issue with that because we aren't paying for those.

Ps: It's no secret that 99% of users on the forum post because they're getting paid.

High risk doesn't necessarily mean that it's not worth the risk for some. Granted the payouts are not large, but some users are getting bonuses, and some have nowhere else to go.

Would you join one of lightlord's campaigns?

Totally not acceptable. However it can also easily be avoided by not joining any of his sig camps. Not like him? Don't join his sig camps. Obviously he is not scamming anyone. He pays in the end but I wouldn't join a campaign where the manager pays when he is in mood. No. Fuck that. I don't care what the pay rate is. I need consistency.

It is also possible that lightlord collects some kind of interest on people's money. It is doable at freebitco.in. That's not cool. Not cool at all.

That may be true, although difficult to confirm. However, 99% of forum users don't make 50-60 posts a week simply because they're getting paid.
I'm not saying that all Bitvest campaign participants are spammers, far from it. I just have a feeling that a significant number of them won't post a single post while the campaign is paused.  

As far as I can tell, not much has changed since we discussed it more than a year ago.

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Some would not be accepted in other campaigns, as they themselves admit:


I don't think it is expressed very well but the idea is clear.

If they don't have much hope of getting paid for writing for another campaign, they will usually put up with irregularities in payments, lack of communication and whatever else. The 777coin and Bitvest.io campaigns have been accused several times of being full of shitposters. I wouldn't say as much, but it's clear that campaigns that pay 150 per post in the lowest tier are not going to be full of top quality posters.

For my part, I don't know if LoyceV is saying that we should change the feedbacks if people don't have left, but I'm going to wait for a while to see if

1) People keep complaining about the withdrawals problem. Just today we have another complaint (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365916.0) although no proof at the moment.

2) This doesn't happen again:

Lightlord has paid everyone  and i understand your desperation here. You should post after proper investigation as you are a elite member of this forum.

The payment in this campaign was not 10 weeks late, it was already shifted to bi-monthly campaign. So it was only 2 week late.

Actually yes, the campaign payments are ten weeks late - we've already established that the campaign manager took it upon themselves to declare it to be a bi-monthly payment due to the owner/operator of the two websites being unresponsive for more than a year (that this instance of payments falling behind) and just playing along with the CM when the payments fell behind.

Try reading a thread before you shit post.

By the way, in this regard and expanding on what I was saying before, I remembered that in a post I mentioned both of you. friends1980 wrote a long post in the signature campaign thread criticizing several participants for shitposters. The post was quite long and reasoned, and criticized the manager:


I, believing him to be somewhat right, also responded to him in detail, among other things the following:


When I was in the campaign, there was a minimum requirement to have earned 5 merits in the previous 120 days but since Lighlord lowered the rates, many participants left the campaign and the requirement changed:


So, I don't think we can take the fact of whether or not the current participants leave the campaign as a reference for Lightlord's trust.

Bolded part is pure bullshit and doesn't make sense. You didn't make it any easier for participants, you only made it easier for yourself so they don't bother you with "wen payment" stuff every few weeks. Instead of standing up for your signature participants, you incorporated delays into the system. But even if you stood up, he would probably replace you with someone else who would do the same as this forum doesn't lack aspiring managers who would do anything to get the gig.


Let's be honest here; of course they don't care as majority of them are shitposters and they are aware that they wouldn't be able to join any other signature campaign that pays in BTC.

Nice one but again you're entitled to your opinion so no hard feelings here. Well I have stool up for my participants severally when delay have been made. What else can I do to make things easier, I have threatened to pause the campaign previously and he paid immediately that was said. After the resistance from the participants of me not pausing the campaign, I had no choice but to look for alternative to make things easier which resulted to that.

I have written to lightlord severally on taking ownership of the campaign thread and weekly payment before this whole new episodes but seems he wasn't interested as he was comfortable making the payment in his own time.  I have even requested to recreate thread, reduce members and make the campaign more productive (with all expenses covered by me) yet he didn't responded and my graphic designer already know of this because I gave him the contract but later withdraw it as no response.

I understand you just coming out to voice your opinion but maybe next time ask questions. I introduced new rules like merit requirements etc and period of been active to make the campaign less spamming, which worked a little don't forget I inherited initial majority of the participants from previous manager and the rules of removing people from the campaign isn't on my side. I keep putting my best and don't need anybody validation to know I'm giving in my best, if only all I asked for was granted, well.


You think you're better than them, the campaign has produced quite some high quality member that I'm pretty sure if the payment was on time they'll still be with us.

After his recent post, has lightlord made you the escrow?

Since you have been doing this for over a year now, there should be some mutual trust established.

While you're not handling the funds, the delays may put you in a bad light, if you get what I mean.

No, I wouldn't join it (and even rejected managing the campaign because of the low payments for participants, which means I wouldn't be able to get quality posters). But if the campaign I'm in wouldn't pay for a week, I wouldn't leave either. And I can imagine that week could get longer and longer next time without leaving.

I highly doubt that.

That was (more or less) my point: the participants don't leave despite the late payments, they trust they'll get it eventually, and they have no other options anyway. Kinda sad though.

Those signatures usually mean I don't consider the post worth reading.

That's up to you, I didn't tag him myself.

In that case, assuming they're all just shitposters, getting rid of the campaign altogether would be better for the forum.

It's not entirely on you, at a certain pay rate you can only get certain quality.

Did the high quality members leave for a campaign with a better pay rate?

You know what's funny even when Hhampuz was in charge and handling payment, it got to some point delays starting coming in and we all know Hhampuz of been this fast and on time campaign manager and probably this wasn't favorable to him so he quit. Well I'm incharge now although I'll be deploying a strategy to combat any delay if noticed, I will paused campaign with immediately effect.

This is unethical but just have to do this; DM between me and lightlord.

Can't share other information, Although I have provided separate address for both campaigns and waiting on funds, immediately that is done I'll relaunch campaign.

Note: This isn't the first time me requesting for this  I have done it multiple times.


Most did, I think chipmixer did accept one or two and Bestchange too. Hhampuz is my biggest export, he takes them every now and then. I groom  and make them exportable lol. ^{some humor you know.}

Which proves what I said before, that majority of them are  well aware of the fact that they wouldn't be able to join any other campaign so they accept that kind of behavior.

In one of previous posts @yahoo62278 said it is matter of respect, but I would say that it's a matter of self-respect here; majority of people in those campaigns obviously don't have any when it comes to this, if they are willing to be treated like that.


Based on this, he obviously doesn't give a fuck.



While both of those campaigns had some quality members (they probably still do) they didn't produce anything as there is no incentive inside the campaign to write better (as far as I know). No bonuses for best posters, promotion is on first come first serve basis etc. People got out of there (myself included) because they preferred quality writing instead of filling up max quota and making more money in the short term.

During the short time I ran signature campaigns, my best users were always the first ones to get swooped by a campaign with better rates too. It's basically the same as any job/employee IRL :)

Exactly. Any self respecting person shouldn't join his campaigns as long as he continues his behavior. If you join his campaigns, it means you deserve the treatment you get. Look there are people that joined yobit campaigns and got treated by the other members horribly. 1xbit participants got even a worse treatment. When you are making a decision, think about the possible outcomes. If the outcomes would affect you in a more negative way, then don't do it. It is that simple.

I expected someone whose thread was open against to say "oh sorry my bad I've already proceeded payments and this is the reason I'm paying late," but No! He returned and gave himself another 48 hours, only to pay a few minutes before the time ran out; I'm sure someone had to contact him to remind him of his commitment. So unprofessional for someone who has been in business for a long time


They had been owed for 10 weeks and none of them sneezed to save themselves; instead, a random user from another campaign came to their rescue, and they protested even when the campaign was paused because they knew no other campaign would accommodate their shitposting lifestyle and were willing to wait a year without payment.


He was not accused of scamming or engaging in scamming activities; rather, he was accused of being unprofessional in his business, and he must demonstrate otherwise. A well-deserved tag. I'm still keeping an eye on the situation, so I haven't added mine yet.

I was in the 777coin campaign and only started looking for another signature campaign when the payments shifted (without explanation) to a fortnightly payment. The tier system was also a little jaring, but, being in such a campaign gave me prior history I could demonstrate when applying for any new campaigns I choose to apply to join.

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Perhaps giving an undertaking to place participants of these two campaigns on ignore might hold the owner, lightlord to be more prompt with their obligations.

Today the guy that didn't receive his winnings posted this screenshot, I'm at loss for words...

He doesn't pay the mods at all. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365916.msg58197418#msg58197418)

https://i.ibb.co/Jxb8rnd/Xx4qclR.jpg

But let's see, I don't understand it that way, although I recognize that it's a little strange. I quote what I posted in the other thread:

I think what the mod means was that:


I.e. If we don't get paid, we won't be seen as defending LL or Bitvest

Not wrong to get paid, but the issue is still way beyond their capabilities since it's Support-related.

Plus, casino chat mods usually work on shifts since the chat's involved. Most casinos I frequent actually pay them for taking the effort to actively monitor the chat.

I would never trust this guy with anything again, and best thing for this forum would be if those campaigns managed by Lightlord never get started again, I think this would produce much less spam and worthless posts being written.
Everyone should exclude him from DT members, as I see that he is still in DT2 members list:

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-10-16_Sat_06.06h/30541.html

Why? The feedback lightlord left doesn't look terrible and certainly not abusive.

Click "BBCode" for posting here :)

Lightlord has nothing to do with the spam, that's 100% on the manager and participants. That's why there is a manager, although everyone has a different idea of what is considered spam. Best thing users can do is report posts and hurt spammers by getting them banned. As far as the trust list goes, I really see nothing wrong there, just because a forum mod doesn't trust his is not a reason to halt a campaign. Long as he pays regularly and on time he's fine. Just goes back to respecting people.

Because people are not being excluded from DT just because of their abusive feedback, but it's my personal opinion and I see that other members excluded him also.

He is indirectly connected with spam, because he hired the manager and he made those low payment rates, so much that seeing these avatars and signature you mostly expect to see some low quality posts.
Last time I checked those campaigns are not active anymore but I don't really care what happens with them if they are operated in similar way like before, with or without l-lord.
Note that I have many ignored members even from much higher paying campaigns, so it's not a universal rule.

Over the short run, it is the campaign managers responsibility to prevent lots of crap posts coming from the campaign. However, if over long periods of time, if a manager allows lots of shit posts, and doesn’t do anything about it, it will reflect negatively on the person who didn’t fire the campaign manager in favor of someone who would address the shit posts.

That makes sense (although I haven't looked at who's in the Bitvest campaign), and I was kind of wondering why members would continue to wear Bitvest's signature after so many weeks of nonpayment.  That seems ludicrous in my opinion; I would jump ship as soon as I realized that delays had become the norm.

I agree, but it's not surprising that dkbit98 might not realize that inclusions/exclusions are supposed to be used to reflect a member's feedback-giving behavior, not as a measure of how much they can be trusted.  It really is a baffling trust system we have on bitcointalk.

Is lightlord on DT by any chance?  I know I've been here over 6 years, but I forgot how to check who's on DT2.  If he is, in fact, on DT I think an exclusion would be warranted, regardless of what feedback he's left for others.

The campaign had been here for years I guess, so it's not a big deal for the users to remain as participants for a few more weeks without any payments. Lightlord gained enough trust so to let participants continue their work blindly without thinking about their payments, but like Loyce described, no participant would leave for a week or two non-payments because the manager (Hhampuz before, now Cryptopreneurbrainboss) and the company (Lightlord) both are trustworthy due to consistent payments for years to their participants and there was no 'PAUSE' or 'ENDED' added to the campaign for which participants would panic and stop advertising it, so they continued.

Do as Skeptical Chemist did ... he just turned off the display of avatars and captions and has long merited posts based on the quality of the content (as far as I can tell). In addition, no matter what manager is running these campaigns, it is extremely difficult to control spam in the gambling section even with all the desire, (and judging by what I saw, the participants in the campaigns discussed here are the regulars of this section).

Try using the BPIP Extension: user info & extra features add-on/extension, Firefox/Chrome. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224821.0)

Campaign Managers don't have any kind of editorial control over a participants posts.  

There is no requirement to continue to receive merits once in the campaign - far from it.  If a participant can con or buy as little as five merits in the last 120 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229466.0), then they are in.  The Campaign Manager (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377) for the signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230893.0) I am in will, on occasion, make a comment on the Google Spread Sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1na6Wcd2HkhTH74yIT0_bQz-ri38IfZ08i_oPegj7Shs/edit#gid=949453025) for a user to "spread out" their posts.  However, this is as close as a CM dares come to exert editorial control over a user's post's content.

I don't include the stipulation that for example five posts each week must be in (for example) the gambling/gaming sections.  But, even then as I said at the start, there is no editorial control over those post's content.

This is the first time I let a thread opened by me continue without locking it after page 5 because I see that there is meaningful discussion.

In this case I want to bring here a quote that I found interesting from the bitvest official thread:


Let's see if the problems with withdrawals also end.

The manager can only do so much given the pay rate. Rejecting all bad posters would result in an almost empty campaign, and probably replacement of the manager.

Go to any profile he left feedback on, and add ;dt to the URL. If it shows up, he's on DT.
Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2509476;dt

You must be getting old. How old you are? 70+ :-P
By the way, is Jet Cash still around?

PS: Yeah, I know I am off-topic LOL

I guess Pharmacist wanted to know exclusively for DT2 not entire DT (1&2)

It should be like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
Then check manually.

That might be true, but that does not excuse the manager. If the pay rate is too low, he should say something. I do think that Lightlord probably knows what kind of people his low rates are going to attract.

The withdrawal issue has been resolved. But I got surprised to see ‘Zodiac1233 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365916.msg58211362#msg58211362)’ (another admin of Bitvest) response in that. He was silent in the forum for years. It means lightlord isn't alone. Zodiac1233 still working with him to run Bitvest. But they aren't showing professionalism to run their business.

I've just had a look at Zodiac1233's post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21720;sa=showPosts;start=0) and although they haven't posted for the last four months I can see they have a pattern of coming online every two, three or four months and posting information concerning the back-end operations of the two sites.  This makes me think lightlord is the owner/operator while Zodiac1233 is a third party tech support person given their posts are *just* concerning the two websites.

Zodiac1233 previous post was made one year and four months ago (not four months only). lightlord and Zodiac1233 knows each other very well, you can see it in their trust page. It proves that he isn't a third party tech support. Probably Zodiac1233 is deeply engaged with those two websites and he is an admin too.

BTW, Zodiac1233 isn't well known to the forum members as an admin of Bitvest. And this topic is about lightlord behavior. Our discussion is getting out of the track.

Not necessarily - if Zodiac1233 wanted to, they could have come on anytime in the last ten weeks to say their dear friend lightlord was ill, but didn't.  

(Yes, my bad. Zodiac1233 hadn't posted for over twelve months - but in saying so according to BPIP.org (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=21720), Zodiac1233 hasn't "woken up" so in those more than twelve months Zodiac1233 has been quietly logging in once in a while and doing "stuff" that isn't posting).


I could say you are a great guy on your trust page, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it is true...

(You're a great guy BTW)   ;D   8)    :-*

ok, this is really serious. new problems are emerging and what's worse, he ^lightlord ignores it all. at this point, I have more confidence in tranthidung words.
although I have tried to be moderate here and believe that this is a temporary problem, lightlord seems to settle the arrears here only after the pressure from the community.
I really don't see a reason why he doesn't answer and leave a clear statement about what is happening and what its users can expect in the future. ignoring it only makes things worse.

Well, the plot thickens. He doesn't seem to mind pissing off them DTs

https://c.tenor.com/UL9cP46DSzAAAAAM/popcorn-eating-popcorn.gif

Lol. And here I was thinking that maybe from now on everything would change, and that in some months I would perhaps change the feedback to neutral. Facepalm.

Maybe now it will change, but seeing that Lighlord only reacts to pressure and that this has been going on for a long time, I don't think it's wise to change it just because things are going well for a couple of months. We'll see.

I have edited the OP to add this point.

Shit - I really dodged a bullet on that one.

(There was a time when I was about to work with lightlord a few months ago).

From the record, eventually he pays, but I do not understand all these delays. It is not looking good now on LL.

Building up a reputation of being late is quite ill-advised.

If business agreements are not fulfilled and are regularly ignored, why would you bother dealing with such an individual? Your expectations are dissolved: there is no point of making any further contractual obligations (including but not exclusively apropos to time) because everything is determined by a single party. May as well be tied up and bent over in an inviting position.

I am surprised that people are surprised at his behavior as @The Pharmacist left feedback almost three years ago, stating that he is late with payments and zero fucks given attitude about it, so it's not something new but a thing he consistently does yet people rushed to be hired by him for that Eloncoin crap. Then we laugh at bounty hunters that are getting scammed and mistreated all the time...

@tranthidung since he is more than 2 months late with the payment, as as you said no reply is unacceptable, maybe its time  for more drastic measures as some said that he only sorts stuff out after being pressured, and couple of negative tags doesn't seem like its doing the trick.

Actually, I'm not as surprised by his constant delays in paying for signature campaigns as by his general attitude towards this community. The way he behaves is irresponsible and disrespectful towards other members. No matter who it is or what his previous contributions have been, everyone here should treat each other with respect.

I'm not sure whether this thread will help bring things to a more positive conclusion, but only lightlord can solve this and make things better by answering and clearly explaining what's going on.

It's not like he doesn't have money or anything, how else did he pay for those Bitvest/777coin/Eloncoin banner slots all these months? And those things are expensive.

Of course he has money (most likely), that's not the issue here. It's just that he doesn't care much about being on time with payments and has a long history of doing that, as seen in his trust feedback. So yeah, those willing to work for him should be prepared to be paid at his whim.

I can bet you that even after all this is finally resolved and people get their money, if he launches another shitcoin project and start looking for admins/whatever, bunch of people would apply anyway. It's just how it is here, a lot of members willing to take a risk for a couple of satoshis, like bounty hunters do all the time.

He favors quantity over quality. The unlimited quota for Bitvest is an example...

Its 60 if I am not wrong not unlimited anyway the pay per post is relatively cheapest among all the campaigns here so people who doesn't get any slot in other campaign prefer this and nothing else.

My only question to Lightlord is why he isn't replying anything regarding the situation?

Guys, it seems to me, or are you really ignoring what Lightlord wrote?


Therefore, it seems to me that a dozen negative feedbacks left to him are too much. Lightlord has been on the forum for years and kept his balance, besides, if my memory serves me, he was also the main sponsor of one of the covid charity pools (here on the forum). I do not defend him as I am not familiar with him to judge him but I tend to think that his good deeds outweigh his incompetence. In this regard, here's what I suggest:

• Stop looking into his pocket, because it's his own business how much dust to pay to the participants of the sig campaign.
• If the situation with payments is corrected, then, after 10 weeks, change all generalized neg feedback to neutral.
• The feedback below is well deserved, so I expect that after 10 weeks, only this neg feedback will remain.

Where did the second quote about his illness come from? How should the community know about his medical situation if there is no mention of it?
Shouldn't his business associate Zodiac1233 have done something in a situation like this?

I was too lazy to flip through 10 pages of this thread again, so I searched for his answers on this case through the archive (https://ninjastic.space/search?author=lightlord&topic_id=5364918).

It is not entirely clear to me why he deleted his message, but the fact remains - I quoted what was previously published, (I also don’t know how close the relationship between Lightlord and Zodiac1233 is and why Zodiac1233 didn’t mention it).  :-\

Are you ignoring users saying that delays occurred more than once and lasted more than a couple of months?


If that's the case, his positive feedback will outweigh the negatives.

I would suggest that at least the users who had been directly affected by lightlord's negligence - or whatever you want to call it - wouldn't revise their ratings and leave them as warnings to reduce the chance of needing another 10-page thread two years from now, but that's not really up to me.

What is up to me is my own rating and since I'm not directly affected by this I would have been open to revising it after a number of on-time sig campaign payouts, but it seems that the problem is larger than that so I'm gonna have to see how this develops. The lack of communication doesn't inspire confidence.


This should be a type 2 or 3 flag.

Thanks for this quote (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5816/58167481.html), I'll use it to add neutral feedback to lightlord's account. I think he deserves time to recover, and I don't think adding more red tags helps anyone at this point.

Maybe he changed his mind because it's quite personal.

I'm not ignoring it, but it also didn't stop the users from joining. It looks like the current reason for late payments is different, and if an escrow takes over, it could be the last time payments were late.

I wish lightlord well. If I get ill, I wouldn't like my reputation to be destroyed because of unfinished business either.

Prio 1: staying alive :) All the rest comes later.

icopress, I have a positive view just like you do on the matter and seeing the lightlord running the campaign for years and not having any trouble with the payments.

I also think the issue lightlord is presenting to be valid, I made a thread regarding Vaccine that use artificial mRNA, that's dangerous to humans
Link to my thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350767.0

There had been many Deaths after taking the vaccine especially the one created by Company Pfizer.
There are doctors that can't speak the truth on the matter but I've shared the video of a doctor who explains what this Vaccine really does and people shouldn't take it and is also suggesting other doctors to speak about it and not be afraid.

tranthidung describes Lightlord as being disrespectful, and it is not good to disrespect people who are working for you- doing so will ultimately lead to those people no longer wanting to work for you, even if you pay well, and on time (Lightlord does neither).

As is true for everyone else, tranthidung deserves to be respected, but I don't think it is appropriate to leave negative trust if he is disrespected. A more appropriate response would be for tranthidung to consider ending his professional relationship with Lightlord (as far as I am aware, he has not).

Assuming he has made everyone who he owes money to whole, I don't think he should have any negative trust. He has promised to escrow funds so this type of thing will not happen again. While yes, this has been an ongoing issue, it has not been a secret this has been a problem, and people have chosen to continue doing business with him.

Right, if someone is failing to pay, the right response is to just leave and not even warn anyone about what happened ::)

Looks like you skipped your meds again.

Just wondering, have you even read the feedback left by the transthidung?


Well, I guess that answers my question.  ;)

You are misrepresenting what I said. I am saying that if he is owed money, he shouldn’t continue to allow additional debt to accumulate, and that if he has a problem with the payment schedule, he should stop working for lightlord.

Obviously my recommendation was based on the assumption that he had been paid what he is owed.

LL paid all the signature debt he had. I don’t think it is unreasonable to believe that LL also paid tranthidung, and anyone else he owed money to. If that is not the case, then negative trust is obviously appropriate.

Maybe he did stop when it became a problem. Or he could have a contractual obligation. Or any number of other reasons why this (along with the suggestion to not use the trust system for the exact purpose of the trust system) is an absurd advice or at best irrelevant to the issue at hand.


If he was paid then the above makes zero sense even in your cuckoo universe where the victim is at fault for accumulating the debt they're owed.

@Rikafip and all,

It is what happened.

• Things were smooth, as said. I trusted lightlord, worked for him and he processed my first payment for 4 weeks, in one batch, quick. It's perfect.
• Then, I kept working, and still did not ask for payment and I even let it passes to 6 weeks, before I asked for payment again. This time, he replied to me, will process payment ASAP. No problem.
• A few days later, something is strange with him, inactively, disappeared. No reply to me on all channel (Discord, forum, not sure I contacted him via Telegram or not) and in his project as well.
• I still waited, sent a few PM, he still replied to me a few times and then totally disappeared. Then I waited again, after a few weeks (perhaps), I sent a PM in which I said, it is my last PM, if no reply, no payment, I will open a scam accusation.
• The fact is he was still actively but more sparsely (one or two times per week rather than daily as previously) from which I guessed he has some issues - can be health, can be personal ones - that are reasons I kept waiting. Then, I saw a message from his dev, not him - on Discord, that he is ill
• Next, I waited again. Because I thought he deserves good time to recover ^{like LoyceV and icopress said}. No more PM, no accusation, no feedback
• Next, ~ 1 month later, the drama of campaigns and this accusation opened. I still waited, even when the payment for 2 campaigns were processed
• I sent him my PM on 17 Oct (see in the quote) - 4 days after payments in 2 campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg58184876#msg58184876), and still wish he the best. I only want him to reply, that's it. Payment, I can wait. I am not hurry with payment.
• I saw he logged in account in 2 days, and no reply. It is why I left the neg feedback because no reply is unacceptable and I think he is already recovered.

That's the story.

Where did you get that information? Discord? I left his Discord channel, weeks ago, so if it was announced recently, I can not see it.

I did not see that information, I only saw a very short announcement from his dev, on Discord, many weeks ago. lightlord get health condition, something like that.

If I see this information, I never left that feedback.

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Payment.

• I received it hours ago.
• Also, lightlord sent me a PM with details of his health issue ^{he should let me know about it in PM, previously}.
• He gave me a bonus as well that is up to 10% of my initial payment

Feedback, I will remove it.

I will think on what I can write, of course with a neutral feedback, not neg one. I agree with people who said neg feedback is far too much. Initially, I did not do this but it is too long and because of lack of information & communication, I took that action.

I am sorry, if it hurts you, light lord. I wish you the best.

By the way, it is best to deal with weekly payment. From my story, you can see anything can happen. It might not be a scam, but if you really need money from your work, it will hurt you. It's fair and best for 2 sides with weekly contract.

Best regards to all,

Tran Dzung[/list]

It could or could not. Last time, in 2018, when there was a problem with late payments as well, and it was not the first time, the funds were held in escrow by the campaign manager. But if he doesn't fill the escrow on time, we have the same problem.

I am open to change my feedback, but it's not going to be a week from now.

I will keep editing the OP, btw. In this case to reflect that tranthidung has changed the feedback to neutral.

As this post looks like it is going to be a long one, I think it is better that people seeing it for the first time have an accurate summary on the first page.

Lightlord's story could be true, it could be untrue--do any of us know him that well in real life to know the truth?  I'm sorry, but if that statement was written by a member with less of a reputation, it would be criticized and dissected and analyzed under a microscope.

I respectfully disagree, because the truth is that 1) This isn't the first time this has happened with him, and 2) He's obviously set up a gambling site and an accompanying signature campaign that doesn't have a fail-safe mechanism in place that would allow operations to continue should he get sick or otherwise become unable to do everything himself.  Even if he's made improvements, I still don't trust that a debacle like this won't happen again.

It might be dust to you, but if you're really thinking of a signature campaign as something where it's OK to delay payments for weeks because "fuck it, it's only dust" then you're not taking into account all the advertising the participants are doing for lightlord, which they've agreed to do for payment.  It also might not be a trivial amount for a participant depending on what country they live in.

Nobody knows. Most or all of us don't know lightlord in real life so we can not verify this story. I don't argue that whether it is true or not.

My points are

• When cases are resolved, I think it should be neutral feedback.
• I don't see reasons to wait weeks or months to change feedback from negative to neutral, it does not make sense.
• Additionally, assumes this story is true, the faster the negative feedback is removed, the better for his mental health that in turn helps him to recover better and faster.
• If anything bad happens, it would be another story, in the future, not now

I do see a lot of sense in waiting. If he has traditionally been in no hurry to pay the money he owes, why should I be in a hurry to change the feedback?

That's the reason.

We're not talking about now, when he was supposedly sick, we're talking about this going back many years.

Also, many of you are taking it for granted that he was sick. I am simply saying that I have no way of checking it and that, as The Pharmacist says:

Neutral feedback to mark what happened is enough, in my opinion.

No, I do neither believe or disbelieve it. In my previous feedback - that was removed, I said lack of communication is unacceptable. Even if the user logged in multiple times. It seems the log-in activity has a purpose for something - business or personal purpose, we don't know. Anyway, if the condition is not too bad, a short reply would be enough.

Anyway, I changed it to neutral and I think it is enough. Previously, I made it negatively, because I think it catches more attention from lightlord. If he missed my PM, he can miss my neutral feedback - of course, miss or ignore, I don't know.

First of all, I am glad that you got what  you've been owned and that matter is settled now (albeit after community pressure and negative feedbacks) but I am curious about one thing now; if he starts another project, would you work for him again?



That's the gist of it, I personally wouldn't apply to any of his job offerings as I don't wanna put myself in the situation to basically beg to be paid for the work done. Few years ago I worked as a telegram admin, and I agreed with owner of the group to be paid on the weekly basis. Soon this week became a few, and I had to send him several PMs each time, reminding to get paid. It was incredibly frustrating experience because I knew guy was loaded and had millions, but he just didn't respect me enough to pay on time.

If the escrow gets ill, it's the same problem again. You can't prevent everything. Paying an escrow a fixed amount once every 2 months is less work than making weekly payments to many addresses.

I'd say it's plausible, and it makes more sense than lightlord being out of money or just not caring anymore about the 2 (no doubt profitable) sites he owns.

I like to think that established community members deserve a bit more credit than random users. If I'd be ill (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.msg36030624#msg36030624), I'd also appreciate it if people don't start doubting me and just believe real life sometimes messes up your online plans.

Having to ask for your payment sucks big time indeed. After recovering, it might be good for lightlord to consider those small weekly payments mean a lot to some of the campaign participants on his payroll.

I don't know if paying an escrow a fixed amount once every 2-3 weeks will make much of a difference to avoid problems.


I agree 100% with The Pharmacist's comment:


To remove the negative feedback I would like to see a system that prevents this from happening again if he gets sick/dies/whatever. And it doesn't seem like refilling escrow every two weeks is a panacea.

If it is just about payment issue, nothing wrong if you keep working when issue was resolved and you can make a better deal. Previously, I did not deal about frequency of payment. I did not care about it much, just to save transaction fee for him and me as well. It's a win win situation, he spends less fee, I don't have to consolidate my inputs.  :D

There are other things to consider when I decide to take a job or not but it's different thing and is not discussed here.

This. I think weekly payment is perfect. It will give a win-win situation for all.

• If there is issue, it is small one
• If there is drama, it is small one
• Less damage on reputation, less headache

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I think this topic can be closed. We can not verify this story so let's this accusation opens can hurt lightlord, if he tells true story. It is why I did not join this topic before you guys brought my feedback to here.

I am going to remind you that neither I, nor those of us who have left him negative feedback and haven't changed it yet are the bad guys here. If anyone has done anything at least morally questionable it is him.

You can report the thread if you want. For my part it's the first time I've left a thread open by me going past page 5 without locking it. I have an idea of when to lock it in the future, but it's not going to be now because there is still meaningful discussion.

Who knows how much interest that guy made just by delaying people's payments.

Slick as fuck. And he has been doing this for years.

Way to go lite-lord!

I was the one who previously criticized lightlord for his behavior but I don't understand some people still trying to crucify him now after he clearly said that he was injured by experimental medical product like many other people.
I don't know what you want? Him posting images and proof for losing weight and looking like a skeleton or showing his medical records?
He obviously made a mistake not having some backup solution for cases like this, but please give the guy a break and allow him to recover if possible.
OP it's time to lock this topic.

Source? (It's not in his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30541;sa=showPosts;start=0)).

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5816/58167481.html

Enough sourced for you?

I do not know what you want me to answer to this demagoguery that shows that you have not read what we have said a few posts back, and if you have read it you have not wanted to know.


Great demagoguery. Was he gravely ill when in 2017 The Pharmacist red tagged him? We he gravely ill when, before that, there were problems with late payments, although he was not left negative trust?


Again, great demagoguery. So now we are the ones to blame for Lightlord alleged bad health.


It's time for you to report the topic to be locked if you are so sure about it.

Well, I'm out of this thread then.

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Zodiac1233 knows lightlord IRL. Both of them have posted it in each other trust feedback. Maybe he knows about the actual condition of lightlord now. But none of the forum member knows Zodiac1233 as well. Will this discussion end if he pop-up here and says about lightlord illness?

However, Zodiac1233 should come forward and take the responsibility of lightlord to resolve all issue. Recently he resolved one issue here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365916.msg58211362#msg58211362).
Currently lightlord is resolving the issues one by one. Judging from his illness post, if I were in his position then I would feel like ‘how cruel the forum members are’. He really deserve time if his condition is same like he said it in that post.

Very few people here in this thread seem to grasp that lightlord (and only lightlord) seems to have access to the two gambling site's funds.  Zodiac1233, the mysterious "life long friend" has only ever posted about the two gambling sites (and nothing else - ever) and never thought to come online to pass on a message from their ?? partner ?? lightlord in the past ten weeks.

As a rare few others are saying, this isn't their first time lightlord has fallen short in their responsibilities to their signature participants.  (this time 'round it was the pandemic that ate my homework)

I'm not inclined to remove my negative, and neither should you.

Unnecessary, in my opinion. Cases were resolved. No need to dig for further details especially it is personal stuff.

Assume I am light lord and told the truth. Do I have to show my face just to convince you that I was ill and just to have the sympathy to remove negative feedback on my account. I might consider a while and decide: NO.

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I am out of this thread too. Previously, I did not care to join ^{with some reasons I described above}.
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Lightlord was active again on Discord today, as well as in the Eloncoin ANN thread:


@lightlord, I hope you're doing well now and that things will improve at least a little bit from now on, since the previous "normal" wasn't exactly good enough.

I'm not sure if this is important, but Lightlord is the creator of the Eloncoin thread and apparently the developer of this shitcoin. But this is not at all about that ... I found one interesting mention of one of the developers of this project two weeks before Lightlord's post was posted (I assume that this is about Lightlord).

This is what I see right off the bat when I opened the thread


Oof

Can someone please fill me in on this 'lightlord was sick with experimental medication' bit?  I see some post he made about it referenced a few times but see nothing about it in his post history.

I think the mention of "vaccine" in this deleted post is what triggered it: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5816/58167481.html

Seems to be a touchy subject nowadays.

I haven't seen lightlord use the word "experimental".

I'm just guessing here: if it's the usual anti-vaxxers who posted it, I don't think it belongs in this topic.

I would like to know, especially those of you who left negative feedback to Lightlord and have not changed it, what you think about whether and when to change the feedback to neutral. I have seen that yahoo62278 has changed it to neutral. suchmoon said about 10 weeks seeing that the payments were working fine.

I don't know if any of you plan to leave it negative forever?

In my case I'm open to changing it, but I'm in no hurry.

I need to clarify - this was about signature campaign payments. I think 10 consecutive on-time payments is not too much to ask after being chronically late for years, and it's be a good indication that there is a serious attempt to fix the issue. I can also see some merit in the argument that if the signature campaign members are willing to put up with this then why should I care, even though they're in a bit of a hostage situation.

The casino stuff is a whole other story. Having to chase the owner to withdraw your funds should be unacceptable under any circumstances. Being unable to withdraw because there is only one person capable of refilling the hot wallet and that person is sick - that's really messed up. This risk is not disclosed on the site, in fact it says that two people (https://bitvest.io/liabilities) (lightlord and zodiac) have control of the the cold wallet funds, which would imply that either one of them could have refilled the wallet. I would call this situation "high risk".

So at this point I'm inclined to revise my rating from negative to a different negative but I'll ponder this for a little while.

I believe that the most likely scenario is that in the coming months there will be no problems with withdrawals or signature campaign payments.

I don't know if it is worth creating a flag if there are no more problems at the moment, but you have much more experience than me in these matters.

Although I also think that what has happened is not from someone deserving of a good reputation. Let's look at a case:






Rereading this, I see again that they react to pressure. When psycodad gives them until the end of the month, I understand that otherwise he would have created a trust flag or something, then they pay him.

I will definitely consider to remove my negative feedback or change to neutral once I see that people are getting payed on time, without constant delays and having to pressure via negative tags and bunch of PMs. I am not convinced of that yet and for now I wouldn't join any of his campaigns, nor apply to any of his future job adds.

is late payment really a good reason for a negative tag? it doesn’t matter if it’s a signature campaign payment or a casino withdrawal.
as far as I could see, he did not give any excuses about casino withdrawal delay, nor any accusations against users or an attempt to avoid payment. I guess users of its casinos should be alerted to the probable possibility of late payment, but not that they will run out of their money. it seems to me that there is an important difference.

Can we negative mark them because of the low payment rate in their signature campaigns? I mean, it is below any minimum, and directly affects the production of spam on the forum.

I don't think this calls for a flag. He seems to be paying eventually, so there is no outstanding obligation / breach of contract (basis for type 2 or type 3 flag). There probably isn't a high risk of losing money (basis for type 1 flag). There is however (IMO) a high risk of not getting your money in a timely manner and there is misleading information on the website about how they handle their wallets. That's my thought process anyway ATM.


Red trust does not necessarily mean that money has been lost. That would be subject to a type 2/3 flag.

So the question really is whether it's a "high risk" to deal with someone who tends to pay late after much prodding, or someone who doesn't seem to have a contingency plan for their business (while implying that they do).


Payment rate is part of the deal. Getting paid late is not. This is not about spam (spam is not a concern for the trust system), it's about money being owed.

Loyce's bot summoned me, so here I am  :)

Yes Poker Player is absolutely right, and the flag would have only been the beginning, I made that very clear to one of the mods. There are way more effective ways to hurt them really hard on top of creating flags.

The thing with the loss that didn't occur is that they were simply lucky in my case. I tried to withdraw a sizeable amount of Doge to sell for Bitcoin. At the time I requested the wd, price was at ~600 Sats, when I finally could withdraw it was still about in this range. If it had dropped by say 100 or even 200 Sats within this time I would have made a pretty big loss (USD and BTC-wise). But even with about the same price I could have easily lost on a missed opportunity (whatever, a car, a house that got sold otherwise in the meantime).

When I invested into bitvest I tried everything first with small amounts and did rely on their promise to be able to withdraw any amount within 18 hours backed on lightlord's excellent trust and reputation. But it was part of the agreement that I proposed that if I get my money on my last ultimatum that I won't follow-up on it in anyway, neither flags nor other measures I have had prepared and I uphold that agreement from my side. There is indeed a bit of a dilemma in this, but I decided to keep my word as I still feel very lucky having got my investments back.

Actually I first only planned to divest a small amount from bitvest to secure some of my gains and the reason for that were previous credible reports from people in the bitvest thread that they can't withdraw for days and do not get any answers no matter how they try contact bitvest, which kind of started to unsettle me considering the amounts I had invested there. Once I found I couldn't even divest a small part of my investment I got worried and decided to pull out everything ASAP. Mods told me that this is an ongoing problem since longer but I should just trust that I get my money at some point. So this is obviously has been going on longer than two months.

For years one of the first things I did after any sizable win was throw a chunk into bitvest and lock it for a few weeks.  June was the last time I did that, requested a withdraw for a few dozen LTC and got radio silence for 3 days - heard some grumblings from others when I asked around at the time. It's a shame, but it's just not worth the stress to put your money in a place that's run like this.  I hope they turn things around and gain back everyones trust, I'd def give them another shot but it would require real effort on their part.

lightlord paid all unpaid bounty rewards including "bonus for delay" as shared on the forum. But this time the bounty manager wrote that he could not get his own payment. So, it seems that the campaign is on pause and seems unlikely that it will continue after payment. If the BM finally gets the payment that should be made to it, then there is no problem in my opinion.

Source for that? I don't know if you are not expressing yourself well.

I have looked at the campaign threads and Brainboss's latest posts but have seen nothing. He's waiting for funds in escrow, that's for sure, but I haven't seen anything about Lightlord not paying him.

That's not true. The bounty manager received his payout on the same day as the rest of the bounty participants. You can look up the transactions from the 1Bitvest... (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr) address.

As Poker Player explained, Brainboss has paused campaigns until he receives funds in escrow for future payments.

I am pretty sure he just misinterpreted that CBB is waiting for the escrow funds from Lightlord as "waiting for his payment" for his service of managing the campaign.

The correct funding wallet addresses are Bitvest Escrow: bc1q00pyv4twqzj88525e2pfypf4m4d9kmpkgyqpje (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1q00pyv4twqzj88525e2pfypf4m4d9kmpkgyqpje) http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/balance/bc1q00pyv4twqzj88525e2pfypf4m4d9kmpkgyqpje/00f and 777coin Escrow: bc1qhzhex8f0m0q6mhsslf2ktxwkf0ucaazh4npzxx (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qhzhex8f0m0q6mhsslf2ktxwkf0ucaazh4npzxx) http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/balance/bc1qhzhex8f0m0q6mhsslf2ktxwkf0ucaazh4npzxx/00f which can be seen in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg58201409#msg58201409) from the 2021-10-17, 21:04:14 by the Campaign Manager

(Neither has any funds in it as of the time this post was composed)

A bit weird, isn't it?

It has now been 11 days since Brainboss wrote that post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg58201409#msg58201409), and Lightlord still has not transferred the funds. I don't know what to think.

Maybe because he's been behind in payments as usual and has had to catch up all at once he's short on cash.

Some people wear his casinos signature anyway, even though they know they won't get paid for this period.

Not really 1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr) still has funds in it: http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/balance/1BitvestxmKKNRjxyHh5Mn1iWovFzs93Hr/00f ( BTC 0.05448916 )

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The side-by-side thread ★☆★ 777Coin Signature Campaign ★☆★ Earn up to .0007/Post (Newb-Hero Welcome) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=840124.0) has now been locked.

I understand that. These are the escrow addresses suggested by the manager. I'm not sure if lightlord has already accepted this suggestion or will choose an escrow from a third party.

I replied to @vonutage who stated incorrectly that "a bounty manager could not get his own payment".

Not really, considering lightlord's history of royally screwing things up in the campaigns he's responsible for and/or mismanaging his own casino.  It might be weird if those wallets belonged to a different campaign owner, but not lightlord.

You can think what you like, but personally I think this is just another example of lightlord not giving a shit about his campaign participants, which is a serious sign of disrespect and a breach of the agreement campaign owners and their participants have between them, where the latter agree to rent out their sig space and the former agrees to pay them.  The unspoken, unwritten part of this "contract" is that payments should be on-time, just like with real-life employment. 

Well, desperate members who probably believe in the tooth fairy exist in great numbers on this forum, so the fact that some of them are still doing work for which they may not get paid isn't surprising. 

However, I think if one wanted to give lightlord a firm smack in the face in the form of a reality check, they would delete their Bitvest signature immediately and move on to the next available campaign (or not).  Continuing to wear his signature without payment is giving him advertising for free, and that likely just emboldens him to keep up his malicious indifference toward his campaigners.

I think this is an escrow address. It was posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088858.msg54013946#msg54013946) as being the address to watch for payments last year. It is certainly not a new address.

If LL said he would find escrow two weeks ago, he should do so.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and in general I like to think of people as being nicer than they often end up showing themselves to be.

In general I think pretty much like you, which is why I haven't yet changed the feedback as some were vehemently demanding in this thread.

You've got to wonder why a Hero Member such as Your Point is Invalid would be trying to join the paused 777coin signature campaign:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088856.msg58260483#msg58260483

Newbies I can understand, but Hero Members just a few posts after the big "paused" announcement on the same page?

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It was referenced a few days back in the signature thread.

No merit earned in the last 120 days is your answer (just 10 merits earned since the introduction of the merit system, the rest were airdropped).

He probably has no hope of being accepted in any other campaign. Most of them have merit earned requirements.

Looking at his post history, that guy just woke up after two years break, saw that 777Coin is marked as "Open" and applied, without thinking much about checking what's written in the posts before his application. At least he is not wearing the sig.

It's a wonder s/he hasn't been neg'ed given they are displaying the 1x signature at the moment in their signature (I always thought their posts were more deserving of merits, but I guess not)

He is wearing the signature, not the avatar, though:

https://i.postimg.cc/HjGmQF44/sig.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


Who are you referring to?

You are right, my bad. Still drinking my morning coffee :D

What he said:


I was looking at the currently the last post in that thread as I was posting and while talking about "your point is invalid" had the avatar of the last profile in my mind...

Sorry for the confusion (is it time for coffee yet?)

Bump.

I thought of commenting in this thread because I just responded in the official Bitvest.io thread to an accusation that my feedback to Lightlord is misleading.

I am now seriously thinking about locking the thread. If in the future there are more problems with Lightlord, other threads can be created.

Before that, I would like to know what you think.

What I see is that Lightlord, again, has failed to communicate. Since he paid, he has only posted one post on October 24 in his shitcoin thread to say that things would be back to normal in weeks.

There have been people wearing the signature of their casinos for weeks waiting for the campaigns to restart.

I don't know if CryptopreneurBrainboss will have any news on this. 

I don't think I will remove/change Lightlord's feedback in the near future.

I pretty much stand by my neutral feedback:
I'm glad no more new red tags were added.

That's entirely on them. You can't blame a campaign or site owner if someone keeps wearing their signature while the campaign is paused.

If he's still recovering from a severe health problem, I don't think this is his main concern.

This is the reference thread for (my) feedback, I'd say leave it open.

I see that you give Lightlord the benefit of the doubt, and I understand you, but I think he should communicate better. Do we have to assume that he is still sick? If he doesn't feel like saying anything, he could do it through Zodiac or someone who works for him.

Can someone in admin/mods lock the two threads until such time as lightlord is well enough to resume managing their obligations here in the forum?

The campaign is currently paused by the campaign manager CB. So, it doesn’t make sense if you are taking that as a fact. People wearing the signature is to blame here. Why would they wear the signature if campaign is paused. Now if they wear willingly, lightlord isn’t responsible to pay them.
Anyway, it's weird how things have gone, it could be better. We all possibly come into a conclusion that he isn’t a scammer. If anyone believes that, they would also believe that he is seriously ill. If this is true, we can expect him to be back and acts on accordingly.

Here's a reminder for both of you. The campaign was not paused under normal conditions. It was paused because Lightlord owed 10 rounds and did not appear on the forum. So we can blame him because the campaign was paused.

It was not that Lightlord appeared saying that the campaign was stopped for certain reasons, Brainboss stopped it because he was forced to do so.

And yes, of course those who wear the signature is their problem, I'm not saying that he has to pay them, it's that we are again with Lightlord fails to communicate and we will have to consult the horoscope to know if and when he is going to restart the campaigns.

There were conversations between Lightlord and Braiboss about the escrow issue, so one could think that the campaigns were going to restart soon, I think it was a month or more ago. Let's see if Brainboss comes here and tells us what he knows.

I definitely agree!

Yes. The alternative would be assuming he's no longer ill. Just last month he said he had been fighting for his life for 2 months (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5364918.msg58235986#msg58235986), which sounds like it can take a while to recover.

That wouldn't hurt indeed. But there's not much open issues that need urgent attention, right? The campaign is on hold, participants have been paid. If it stays like this for a couple more months, I'd say that's okay.

True, that could have gone better, but doesn't change the fact that current campaign participants know exactly what they're in on.

They're free to leave whenever they want. I don't see a problem with that.

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Consider it from his perspective if he's still ill: he paid everyone, he's working on his health, sleeping a lot^*, visiting doctors^* and taking the time he needs to recover^*. I can imagine continuing his online activities is currently not a priority.

^* Slight speculation from my side

People are not complaining about the hot wallet anymore as far as I noticed in both of their ANN threads but all these drama is going related to the campaigns but the manager clearly said that the campaign is on hold and Lightlord promised to escrow the funds but after that he didn't made any comment regarding that if I am not wrong.

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Taking care of his health should be the first priority now but he is logging into the account from to time but I am not sure that is he actually logging in or someone else but what people expecting is something professional, he can say about this to solve all the drama but he is being silent all the time. ::)

Your link is to a third person citing a quote that does not contain an actual link to lightlord actually making that assertion.  Just because someone else said it, doesn't make it a fact.

I wish lightlord a speedy recovery if they are indeed unwell.

Yep, that lack of communication which would be so helpful to so many members seems to be a pattern with him, and there's nothing that would make me think that's going to change anytime soon.  And one of the reasons why him communicating would be so helpful is precisely because it would let people know whether they can stop advertising for his service(s) or not.  It isn't fair to keep campaign participants hanging like that.

I wouldn't change your feedback if I were you.  I changed mine once when I probably shouldn't have, but in lightlord's case, two strikes and he's out.

If a campaign is suspended or otherwise stopped, former participants are free to wear the signature if they so choose, but they shouldn’t expect anything out of doing so.

If LL chooses to not continue his advertising, he is free to do so. If someone posted that advertisers shouldn’t expect payment unless/until LL takes an affirmative action and he has not taken such action, there is no reason for LL to have to make a statement.

The above might be a shitty way of doing business, but it is not indicative of a scam, or a potential scammer. LL has consistently paid very little for advertising, so I guess he is probably not getting a very good ROI on his advertising. He could be taking this situation as an opportunity to stop advertising.

I have no reason (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5816/58167481.html) to doubt icopress' quote.

I wish him the same. Speculating doesn't help. Too many long-term forum users have disappeared without any sign of life lately :(

The campaign is currently unactive. The only reason those participants "keep hanging" is because their posts are quite worthless and no other campaign is going to hire them.

I just found that there is a thread, addressed to Zodiac:

Dear zodiac , ( www.bitvest.io ) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372759.0)

I am going to quote the OP here because it is relevant to what we are talking about in this thread. It is addressed to Zodiac as manager but Lightlord is ultimately responsible as owner:

Yes, I know that feeling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265288.msg58399183#msg58399183) too.

I currently think it is more likely that Lightlord is still sick or has a problem. He used to bid for advertising space on the forum. Just like he doesn't say anything about campaigns or solving the hot wallet problem, which he said he was going to do, he doesn't bid for ad space either.

The thread I quoted above makes me understand that bitvest.io (and I guess 777coin too) are losing customers.

Edit. His shitcoin project is also paralized:

it is obvious that we should leave him alone for now. 
he came here, paid off all debts, solved all accusations against them and his business ^{as I know}, without any complications or justifications. So, it's more than obvious that there was no clear intention to deceive anyone here.
deepening this discussion is like shooting someone who is already on the floor. This thread has served its purpose and my opinion is that it should be locked.

if there is any doubt about the way the business itself operates or something that others should be warned about but through some general review.

As I said in a previous comment, I'm thinking of locking the thread, but that's not going to stop people from continuing to talk about the topic, "shooting him on the floor", as you say.

People keep talking about the problems in the bitvest threads and the other threads that keep popping up.

Have you seen the gambling thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1221154.4440)? People hardly talk about gambling any more there. They talk about Lightlord and the problems.


That's simply not true. He didn't solve the hot wallet issue and I quoted a new thread "shooting lightlord" as you say just 4 posts above on this same page.


No, it's not.

Obviously, ANN threads of lightlord's casinos Bitvest and 777coin are the right place for all discussions about their work. don't you think so? Gambling section also.


As I know, this thread was initiated because of late or no payment of the campaign signature participants and moderators of these two casinos. Just re-checked OP.
Is there any open scam accusations against them? whether that man owes anyone money from here?

I like your rhetorical question but that's not the point. The point is that even if I lock the thread, people are still going to talk about the problems that Lightlord hasn't solved, no matter how much you insist on portraying him as a little angel, an innocent victim that we're shooting at while he's helpless on the ground.


You need glasses. You already needed big glasses when you said that:


To which I already answered you:


You saying you have re-checked the OP makes me think that instead of glasses you need a telescope and re-check the OP one more time.

I have said it several times already in the thread, but I repeat it: if you are so clear about it, report the thread to be locked.

I don't rule out locking it myself but I'm certainly not going to do it based on those arguments.

This looks like a classic case of cyberbullying to me...and I wouldn't be surprised if OP hires private investigator to search for Lightlord (if someone else pays for that).

Small retrospective of this topic:

- 13 14 pages of mostly speculation and accusations.  ::)
- Poker Player wrote 42 posts in this topic. (he is answering all questions like judge, jury and lawyer)
- Timelord2067 wrote 29 posts in this topic.
- LoyceV wrote 16 posts in this topic.
- ...

I am thinking about creating new topic called: Do you think Poker Player behavior is acceptable.

Leave
Lightlord
Alone

To say that bullshit you better not say anything at all.  If you didn't write anything after that, I would have reported the post for low value.


False. Anyone can see.


So, what?


The bias from which you speak has more to do with my ignoring your demand to lock the thread than an objective analysis of the issue.


If you think what I do is so wrong, you're overdue.

Have you already reported the thread to be locked?


Go fuck yourself.

Edit:

https://i.postimg.cc/G2Vqv7mP/Screenshot-2021-11-29-at-17-20-37-Trust-summary-for-dkbit98.png (https://postimages.org/)

He just left me this feedback, obviously fake, and he didn't have the balls to put it negative because he knew it could backfire on him.

Do you think this is a good use of the trust system? Sounds like a little kid throwing a tantrum to me.

What do you call this if not harassing?


Nope. Sounds like the correct use of a trust system, especially for a neutral tag. dkbit98 expressed his personal opinion on this topic, you responded with personal insults and harassment.

If this was not a neutral feedback then I would say it was abuse of trust system but as long as this is neutral, I do not see any issue.

You are overreacting now.

The topic was good enough before, but right now I see hates around each other's and personal agenda. It's better to lock it. About LL and his campaigns, if anyone wants to join the campaigns, then just let them. Why would we control others? If anyone has any problem against LL then they can  use trust flag and make a post about it. But let's not make this thread against him anymore.

I do not stand in any defence of lightlord. I never had any contact with him, I was never in any of his campaigns, nor did I ever register at his casinos. I'm just trying to give as much impartial opinion as possible. (btw you sound like someone who is very angry at him and you find it very difficult to accept any dissenting opinion)
he paid off everything he owed and that is a fact, there is no embellishment and turning him into an angel.


I already have glasses and again, the first and third items are solved. that was the basis of the charge through this thread (correct me if I am wrong)
the very way the casino works is certainly better discussed in its ann thread than in a thread about lightlord behaviour.


a neutral tag is probably always okay.

Poker Player, I'm not sure why you aggressively respond to suggestions or criticism that you don't like. relax, no need for that. don’t be petty and accept everything personally.
I'm coming out of this whole discussion, it has become completely meaningless.

Yeah, I think I will lock it soon, but I'm going to reply first.


You don't know the definition of harrassment:


Essential Meaning of harass
1 : to annoy or bother (someone) in a constant or repeated way She was constantly harassed by the other students. He claims that he is being unfairly harassed by the police. He was accused of sexually harassing his secretary. [=of making unwanted sexual comments to her]
2 : to make repeated attacks against (an enemy) The troops harassed the defeated army throughout its retreat.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harass

So, no that's not harassment.


So, according to you, he expressed his personal opinion and didn't insult me.

He called me a cyberbully, which is obviously false:


Then he said this


Which is obviously false and kind of insulting as well.

And finally he said this


Which he has not had the balls to do because he knows he has no compelling arguments to do so. And that veiled threat is also an insult because several red tags to Lighlord came out of this thread and what is implicit in what he says is that I could end up the same way.

Oh really? Why do you think so? Why he would hire a private investigator to search for Lightlord? Are you a Secret agent of Lightlord by any chance? if not, Why are you crying here? This is a Public Forum and this board is all about reputation. Everyone is welcome to create a thread and do healthy criticism if it comes to reputation. This is not a personal matter since a lot of players and forum members are involved in this matter.

Oh c'mon. Look like you cannot find any topic to increase your post count and activity. why you are so jealous? The "Poker Player" Created the thread he shouldn't answer if someone asks a question? He should wait for you or Lightlord?


Well, No One Stopping you to create a thread on this board unless it comes to reputation. You insulted him with all of your words. I don't think it's fair.
Lightlord is alone. No one poked him. He cannot see our posts for sure. if he could, he would be there and solve all the allegations (only if he want to maintain his reputation).


This is an overreaction from you. Use your word Wisely. You should handle this kind of post gently.