Why I wouldn't buy Ledger Nano S ever again?

[bitmover]

Fortunetly  , i already have a nano s plus...
If that happens i will use it.

Sad to see that outcome for such a good device

Are you planning to generate a new seed with the Nano S Plus or just recover the wallet from your existing seed and continue where you left off with the old Nano S?

I will probably just recover from the existing seed. To much complicated to move all coins, from all derivation paths, all blockchains, etc...

If you are still confident enough in Ledger and don't have trust issues making the Nano S Plus your next hardware wallet of choice, why not make the switch already? It's surely faster and more efficient and doesn't suffer the memory limitations of the Nano S. I remember consolidating my inputs using the Nano S a long time ago. The signing process is the slowest in the industry for sure. The device was completely unresponsive for minutes while the transactions were being signed in the background. Nano S Plus has to do better in that regard.

I think this is pretty irrelevant.

Nano S is fast enough for me.

I don't sign 100+ input more than once of twice every 5 years or so... and I had already consolidated those inputs. I can wait for 2 or 3 minutes every 5 years, that's no problem for me. It will take much more time to recover everything in a new wallet.

I like the idea to keep the new one as a back up, if I ever need it.

I think people overreact about very simple stuff which are no big deal.

I have a hardware wallet for security. I am not in a competition for processing multiple inputs in a few miliseconds, or installing as much blockchains as possible in a single device at the same time. Those things are totally irrelevant for me...

And ledger is certainly one of the best devices ever created to hold bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency, when it comes to security and convenience. I am very satisfied in general. It is unfortunately that they are dropping support and updates.

[Pmalek]

I am very satisfied in general. It is unfortunately that they are dropping support and updates.

In that case, I can only hope that your hardware wallet remains functional for as long as possible, and that also goes for third-party software support, like with Electrum, Sparrow Wallet, Ledger Live, and whatever else you use. Keep in mind that any further update of third-party wallets can render your Nano S unuseful one day. If the developers of those software make an update that will also require Ledger to adjust something in their systems, they will not do that for the Nano S. Maybe they will even be malicious enough to make future updates of Ledger Live not working with the Nano S.

[bitmover]

Keep in mind that any further update of third-party wallets can render your Nano S unuseful one day. If the developers of those software make an update that will also require Ledger to adjust something in their systems, they will not do that for the Nano S. Maybe they will even be malicious enough to make future updates of Ledger Live not working with the Nano S.

They even mention such scenario in their terms of service.

So yeah, you are correct. That may happen in the future  and ledger live / electrum stop working.

This is why i already have a back up

For two (2) years following a Ledger Device's End of Life (EOL) declaration, Ledger will provide both evolutionary updates (e.g. adapting to changes in blockchain protocols, UX enhancements) and corrective updates (e.g. bug fixes, security improvements). After this two-year period, the Device Apps will be frozen, meaning they may continue to function but will not receive updates to adapt to changes in underlying protocols.

In the third (3) year after a Ledger Device's End of Life (EOL) declaration, Ledger will provide only corrective updates for security vulnerabilities.

Reminder: This commitment applies only to Ledger OS™ and Device Apps developed by Ledger that were available on the Ledger Device at the time it was declared EOL. For clarity, this means it does not extend to functionalities that did not exist when the Ledger Device was declared EOL, nor to new Device Apps published by Ledger after the device was declared EOL. These updates may or may not be ported to EOL Ledger Devices at Ledger's sole discretion.

Failing to update your Ledger Device firmware can lead to several issues, including application instability or complete failure. While some blockchains may temporarily function, significant network protocol changes could halt functionality of your Ledger Device. In some cases, outdated firmware may prevent access to funds or Blockchain Services. Although your Recovery Phrase allows wallet restoration on a compatible device, keeping firmware updated is crucial for uninterrupted access and security.

https://shop.ledger.com/pages/ledger-os-and-device-apps-policy

[cryptokidBTC]

what device similar to the nano s would any recommend for long term storage, rn i have a usb setup with veracrypt and electrum, im unsure whether my current setup is very good any recommendations or feedback are appreciated.

[IIrik11]

my ledger nano s has a display problem

the brightness of display has gotten so dim and there are lines on the screen

it is impossible to even reset the device at this point because i can't see the characters to enter seed

thankfully no btc is in it but i do had some xmr in it and i don't think i am ever getting it back

also, i tried the online recovery methods of getting to my xmr wallet inside but they didn't work

if any of you lovely people have a solution to get to my small amount of xmr inside let me know

[SFR10]

what device similar to the nano s would any recommend for long term storage, rn i have a usb setup with veracrypt and electrum, im unsure whether my current setup is very good any recommendations or feedback are appreciated.

Considering that there are a lot of issues with Ledger products, most users won't recommend any HW that is similar to them, so you should mention similar in what sense, exactly?
^{- I'm not familiar with Veracrypt, so I can't comment on your current setup, but if you're looking for a HW that you can use with Electrum, you can get any of the Trezor devices (preferably Safe 3 or Safe 5).}

it is impossible to even reset the device at this point because i can't see the characters to enter seed

Have you tried the solution that @dkbit98 mentioned in the latter parts of number 3 (using the phone camera)?

[IIrik11]

Have you tried the solution that @dkbit98 mentioned in the latter parts of number 3 (using the phone camera)?

yes, i have tried that and couple of other things but

the thing is the upper part of the display that shows the characters

during the passphrase restore is completely gone and mine was 24 word passphrase

and i just can't see the characters to make words, see:



waste of money it was, the device as well as the coins lost inside it 

[SFR10]

during the passphrase restore is completely gone and mine was 24 word passphrase

and i just can't see the characters to make words, see:

I believe you were referring to the seed phrase... I'm not sure how small the amount of XMR that you're holding is, but IMO, the best route is to replace the screen since it's quite cheap ^{[less than $2]} and it doesn't require having a specific skill ^{[lots of videos on YouTube and also in the OP]}. You also didn't mention which online recovery methods didn't work, so I'm going to also mention the "Python script" that Ledger released for converting the "24-word recovery seed to a 25-word Electrum recovery seed ^{[refer to the "Seed recovery (advanced users)" section, but I prefer not to vouch, so DYOR]}".

[cryptokidBTC]

what device similar to the nano s would any recommend for long term storage, rn i have a usb setup with veracrypt and electrum, im unsure whether my current setup is very good any recommendations or feedback are appreciated.

Considering that there are a lot of issues with Ledger products, most users won't recommend any HW that is similar to them, so you should mention similar in what sense, exactly?
^{- I'm not familiar with Veracrypt, so I can't comment on your current setup, but if you're looking for a HW that you can use with Electrum, you can get any of the Trezor devices (preferably Safe 3 or Safe 5).}

honestly idk to much about any of them (ledger/trezor) but like the simple look to the nano s, ive looked at the trezor and read about it I would prefer to go for one of those, but the price they're like 300$ in my country it kind of deters me but i shouldn't be stupid, high price must come with a better quality build right?

[IIrik11]

I believe you were referring to the seed phrase... I'm not sure how small the amount of XMR that you're holding is, but IMO, the best route is to replace the screen since it's quite cheap ^{[less than $2]} and it doesn't require having a specific skill ^{[lots of videos on YouTube and also in the OP]}. You also didn't mention which online recovery methods didn't work, so I'm going to also mention the "Python script" that Ledger released for converting the "24-word recovery seed to a 25-word Electrum recovery seed ^{[refer to the "Seed recovery (advanced users)" section, but I prefer not to vouch, so DYOR]}".

yes, the seed phrase which is of 24 words

i have tried to use online guides some on the reddit and some posted by other ledger users

but couldn't recover my funds, which were at the time were of $20 usd in xmr which i bought 4 years ago

i don't even know what their value would be now

the electrum seed won't be able to recover the xmr i don't think

also, i don't know if i can find the same display here in india, i will try but alibaba doesn't work here

after this incident i have switched to easier solutions like using individual wallets for different coins

and writing their seed down on a piece of paper and holding the wallet back up on different usbs

i think it is much safer than putting all your coins holding on a single hardware wallet

[SFR10]

ive looked at the trezor and read about it I would prefer to go for one of those, but the price they're like 300$ in my country it kind of deters me but i shouldn't be stupid, high price must come with a better quality build right?

That's almost double the price of a Safe 5... Did you get it from an "official reseller" of Trezor?
^{- Their overall build quality is better than Ledger, but compared to their previous generation, it has slightly decreased (I already have "a couple of chipped parts" on my Safe 3).}

the electrum seed won't be able to recover the xmr i don't think

I guess we'll never know without you trying it first.

also, i don't know if i can find the same display here in india, i will try but alibaba doesn't work here

I hope you manage to find an alternative platform to order it ^{[it appears that AliExpress is also banned there]}.

i think it is much safer than putting all your coins holding on a single hardware wallet

I understand why you're saying that, but it's a trade-off between security and convenience.

[cryptokidBTC]

ive looked at the trezor and read about it I would prefer to go for one of those, but the price they're like 300$ in my country it kind of deters me but i shouldn't be stupid, high price must come with a better quality build right?

That's almost double the price of a Safe 5... Did you get it from an "official reseller" of Trezor?
^{- Their overall build quality is better than Ledger, but compared to their previous generation, it has slightly decreased (I already have "a couple of chipped parts" on my Safe 3).}

if ur price is usd then being almost double is absolutely correct, usd2nzd

[Pmalek]

what device similar to the nano s would any recommend for long term storage, rn i have a usb setup with veracrypt and electrum, im unsure whether my current setup is very good any recommendations or feedback are appreciated.

If you need a hardware wallet with multi-currency support then I would also go for a Trezor as previously recommended by other users. You should know though that Trezors are different from Ledgers when it comes to the cryptocurrencies they support. All Ledger devices support the same coins and tokens, regardless of the model. What's different about them is the internal memory and the number of apps you can have installed at the same time. With Trezor, the app support differs for each model. If you have altcoins or plan to hold some on your Trezor, take a look at Supported Coins & Tokens to see if the device you plan to buy supports them.

[satscraper]

what device similar to the nano s would any recommend for long term storage, rn i have a usb setup with veracrypt and electrum, im unsure whether my current setup is very good any recommendations or feedback are appreciated.

The simplest and ^{at the same time} most reliable solution would be AirGap. In terms of security, it is comparable to ^{or even better than}  Ledger nano s because ^{unlike  Ledger} it is open source and air-gapped. Additionally, it is a cost-effective solution since old, unused Android phones that are sitting forgotten in drawers around your home can be again utilized for storing crypto.