Why I wouldn't buy Ledger ever again?

[Pmalek]

I don't know if I'm talking nonsense
but wouldn't it be interesting for a company of this type, which sells hardware wallets, to delete all buyer data after the purchase has been made, completed, and without warranty or chargeback anymore?

I know that some countries' laws require them to store the data, but this is extremely dangerous

It's not as easy as that. There are numerous laws that govern how companies are supposed to treat your data and the purposes why they store it. Ledger is based in France. They are required to comply with EU data protection laws. On top of that, there are also various French laws that the company must respect. One of those concerns taxes, accounting, invoicing, and the like. I think that particular law requires French companies to keep customer data for up to 10 years. So even if your personal data that they keep for other purposes can be deleted, the tax & accounting law requires domestic companies to keep your data for a very long time.

[rdluffy]

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It's not as easy as that. There are numerous laws that govern how companies are supposed to treat your data and the purposes why they store it. Ledger is based in France. They are required to comply with EU data protection laws. On top of that, there are also various French laws that the company must respect. One of those concerns taxes, accounting, invoicing, and the like. I think that particular law requires French companies to keep customer data for up to 10 years. So even if your personal data that they keep for other purposes can be deleted, the tax & accounting law requires domestic companies to keep your data for a very long time.

Thanks for the explanation
Here in Brazil, the government has a law called the “General Data Protection Law,” which stipulates that companies must define how long they will store customer data, but there is no definition of a minimum or maximum time frame 

In short, it doesn't work at all, because companies store customer data practically forever
And when there is a data leak, no customer is compensated

Nowadays, these customer data storage laws (in general) are quite outdated, with so many risks out there, especially in companies linked to crypto, investments, banks, etc

[Synchronice]

I don't know if I'm talking nonsense
but wouldn't it be interesting for a company of this type, which sells hardware wallets, to delete all buyer data after the purchase has been made, completed, and without warranty or chargeback anymore?

I know that some countries' laws require them to store the data, but this is extremely dangerous

You do not talk nonsense, that would be a great feature to have because when such a data exists, if it gets hacked, then hackers know exactly who owns crypto wallet, know their full name and living address. Probably, using a parcel forwarder company is a better way to ship products to the final destination because in this case, you only reveal your full name and not your living address.

By the way, it's impossible to find a company that will follow your idea. There is no way any company will sell hardware data without storing your data because they are required by law, probably in every jurisdiction, to store invoice and other buyer's data for many years.

[MusaMohamed]

Hey GUYZ,

HEY GUYZ,

Derdeeder, I just saw this here Ham 'n Ledger on wheebay and I wanted to git y'all's opinion on it since it looks to be a good deal.  What chu think?




I mean, it ain't no problem buying these things used, right?

Right?

Hardware wallets are only good and safe to use if they are Open-Source and Completely New.

If a hardware wallet is close-source like Ledger wallet, that's bad to use.
If a hardware wallet was used, and you want to buy it, it's very dangerous with likely backdoors to steal your coins when you fund coins in that wallet.

Knowing which hardware wallets are open source to buy and knowing how to buy a hardware wallet is important.
[LIST] Open Source Hardware Wallets.
[GUIDE] How to buy a Hardware Wallet the right way.

[Pmalek]

Check out the new type of phishing emails that scammers are sending to Ledger users, most probably to email addresses associated with various leaks.
They inform victims that they have been selected to attend a Ledger convention in Las Vegas. On top of that, they have won a special edition Golden Ledger hardware wallet. To accept the convention invitation and arrange delivery of the device, they need to click the "Accept invitation in Ledger Live" button. These scammers don't seem to have received the memo that the software is not called Ledger Live anymore.

My guess is that the button takes you to a fake Ledger Wallet link that then requires that you enter your personal information and recovery phrase.
I am sure there is no one here that will fall for something like this. Still, stay safe out there!

[Rikafip]

I am sure there is no one here that will fall for something like this. Still, stay safe out there!

Here probably not, but I am pretty sure some will fall for this (pretty weak imho) attempt.

My email address was among those leaked years ago, and for whatever reason I only got few phishing emails (iirc no more than 5-6 alltogether) and last one was several years ago.