JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas

[BitBakerr1]

Never lose your holding in the hope of a small amount of profit. Later, when the price of Bitcoin increases, you will regret it. To make the investment sustainable, you should also pay attention to your discretionary income. And you should hold Bitcoin for a long time. If you invest for 4-10 years, and if you have a reasonable income, you will not be greedy, and no recession will touch you. If you compare the equations, you will not sell your holdings.

If we understand that investing in Bitcoin has more potential in the long term, then someone must have a plan for its implementation. Conversely, when applying discretionary income to Bitcoin investments, assuming all the requirements have been well prepared, this discretionary income can automatically be allocated to buying Bitcoin in a well-planned manner. The reason many people don't sell Bitcoin before reaching target because they understand the percentage profit they can earn compared to taking the approach of selling a certain amount for short-term gains, Bitcoin is also recession-resistant and able to maintain its value, so holding it long-term can actually provide much greater profits.

Whatever we do must be with careful planning, especially if we talk about investments where we have to hold money for a long time. This will be directly related to our financial turnover, because if we fail in financial management, then we can be sure that the investment we do will fall apart.

The reason why most investors rush into selling of their bitcoin investment within a short period of time is the price ups and down, but they fail to understand that the longer your investment time frame the more profitable it will be to you, also they feel that holding bitcoin for within 4 years is more of a long term not knowing it's not enough to be a long term holder but a short term, if you are really holding for a long-term of about 10 years or more, then you will not have any reasons to be disturbed about the price ups and down instead focus on accumulation and holding until you reach your target. The manner at which we understand and manage our finance matters alot, therefore precautionary measures should be taken so that we don't lose out in our investment.

Cleanslate_ you are correct, when you are holding from 10 years and above you won't worry about any dip  in Bitcoin you will always be relaxed but if you are just holding for just 4 years you will always be worried about the dip, the main goal for long term investment is 5 years and above but if you want to have a relaxed  mind when accumulating and holding Bitcoin just hold for 10 years and above. Bitcoin is highly volatile in nature and the only way to overcome this volatile nature of Bitcoin is long term holding and holding as long as 10 years and above is the best.

[Showlove01]

Never lose your holding in the hope of a small amount of profit. Later, when the price of Bitcoin increases, you will regret it. To make the investment sustainable, you should also pay attention to your discretionary income. And you should hold Bitcoin for a long time. If you invest for 4-10 years, and if you have a reasonable income, you will not be greedy, and no recession will touch you. If you compare the equations, you will not sell your holdings.

If we understand that investing in Bitcoin has more potential in the long term, then someone must have a plan for its implementation. Conversely, when applying discretionary income to Bitcoin investments, assuming all the requirements have been well prepared, this discretionary income can automatically be allocated to buying Bitcoin in a well-planned manner. The reason many people don't sell Bitcoin before reaching target because they understand the percentage profit they can earn compared to taking the approach of selling a certain amount for short-term gains, Bitcoin is also recession-resistant and able to maintain its value, so holding it long-term can actually provide much greater profits.

Whatever we do must be with careful planning, especially if we talk about investments where we have to hold money for a long time. This will be directly related to our financial turnover, because if we fail in financial management, then we can be sure that the investment we do will fall apart.

The reason why most investors rush into selling of their bitcoin investment within a short period of time is the price ups and down, but they fail to understand that the longer your investment time frame the more profitable it will be to you, also they feel that holding bitcoin for within 4 years is more of a long term not knowing it's not enough to be a long term holder but a short term, if you are really holding for a long-term of about 10 years or more, then you will not have any reasons to be disturbed about the price ups and down instead focus on accumulation and holding until you reach your target. The manner at which we understand and manage our finance matters alot, therefore precautionary measures should be taken so that we don't lose out in our investment.

Cleanslate_ you are correct, when you are holding from 10 years and above you won't worry about any dip  in Bitcoin you will always be relaxed but if you are just holding for just 4 years you will always be worried about the dip, the main goal for long term investment is 5 years and above but if you want to have a relaxed  mind when accumulating and holding Bitcoin just hold for 10 years and above. Bitcoin is highly volatile in nature and the only way to overcome this volatile nature of Bitcoin is long term holding and holding as long as 10 years and above is the best.

Holding for 4 years is not actually trading and an investor doesn't need to worry about the dip since they already have the mindset of holding and the only period an Investor should be worried about the dip is when they don't have the mindset of holding. Holding for 10 years and  above is really good because there is every possibility that the price of Bitcoin will get to different level of all time high (ATH)  and so the fluctuations or volatility of the market won't matter or have a negative effect anymore because there will surely be an X profit in there holding.

[Franctoshi]

Holding for 4 years is not actually trading and an investor doesn't need to worry about the dip since they already have the mindset of holding and the only period an Investor should be worried about the dip is when they don't have the mindset of holding. Holding for 10 years and  above is really good because there is every possibility that the price of Bitcoin will get to different level of all time high (ATH)  and so the fluctuations or volatility of the market won't matter or have a negative effect anymore because there will surely be an X profit in there holding.

Trading is buying and selling to make a short term profit, whereas investment is a situation of buying and holding for a long term profit. Long term holders do not need to worry about the short term market correction because historically, Bitcoin usually recovers after every 4 years, so no matter where you got in, the market will definitely come back to you because less and less Bitcoin are being mined each day versus increasing demand.

[MarjorieZimmermanGinger]

If possible and in my opinion this should be endeavored is that we should have more than one income, that way we can allocate without fighting with our daily needs. Because what usually happens is that someone has to sell their assets to fulfill their needs.

Returning to the basic concept, life isn't just about investing there are other needs that need to be met. Therefore, allocate investment percentages and prepare for other needs so you don't have to sell assets when you need money. Having more than one source of income is certainly better, but careful planning is needed to manage your finances effectively. People who fail at investing lack initial planning and policies to meet their financial needs, leading them to sell assets when they need money. People's behavior when they see something flowing but do not have a plan in a context like this means that the investment they undertake will not develop and there will be no opportunity to achieve asset growth.

[Baki202]

Holding for 4 years is not actually trading and an investor doesn't need to worry about the dip since they already have the mindset of holding and the only period an Investor should be worried about the dip is when they don't have the mindset of holding. Holding for 10 years and  above is really good because there is every possibility that the price of Bitcoin will get to different level of all time high (ATH)  and so the fluctuations or volatility of the market won't matter or have a negative effect anymore because there will surely be an X profit in there holding.

And one of the best things they can do is to hold because one of the ideas when it comes to investment is to hold, and people need to understand short-term and long-term, and trading cannot be compared to holding, and being an investor is a term used for a very long time, and that is why if you are holding for a long time, you don't have any business worrying about the dip because your target is to keep for a long time. After all, with your target, it will recover from whatever dip the market is suffering from.

In a year, no matter the market condition, it will continue to recover a different price increase, even if it does not get a new all-time high, and this is why there is no need to panic for anything, but traders don't have this privilege, and you might make a quick profit but it also comes with a very high risk so it is a matter of choice, whichever one you want, but it is better to also have a long-term investment plan than a short-term one.

[centrum]

Holding for 4 years is not actually trading and an investor doesn't need to worry about the dip since they already have the mindset of holding and the only period an Investor should be worried about the dip is when they don't have the mindset of holding. Holding for 10 years and  above is really good because there is every possibility that the price of Bitcoin will get to different level of all time high (ATH)  and so the fluctuations or volatility of the market won't matter or have a negative effect anymore because there will surely be an X profit in there holding.

Trading is buying and selling to make a short term profit, whereas investment is a situation of buying and holding for a long term profit. Long term holders do not need to worry about the short term market correction because historically, Bitcoin usually recovers after every 4 years, so no matter where you got in, the market will definitely come back to you because less and less Bitcoin are being mined each day versus increasing demand.

trading and investment are not the same thing but many people make the mistake of treating them as one. trading focuses on making short term profits which creates mental pressure from daily price fluctuations. investment on the other hand means giving time a chance to work. those who hold for the long term understand that market corrections are normal and expected. history shows that bitcoin has recovered again and again after setbacks. that is why there is no need to panic over temporary dips. patience is the greatest strength here. of course there is risk and it cannot be denied. but when goals are clear and decisions are not rushed mental stress becomes much lower. long term thinking keeps people away from emotional decisions and that is what leads to better results in the end.

[JayJuanGee]

If an investor expresses his desire to withdraw some amount from his investment and enjoy it, then he can do so if he wants. If a person's investment increases by double the amount invested, if its term does not expire and if it does not reach the excess savings level, he can still withdraw some amount and enjoy it. However, if he withdraws the entire amount, it will never be the right decision.

I know that at some point some Bitcoin investors will want to withdraw some of their Bitcoin, just to have a taste of what they have been hustling for, for years, but that should never be considered if you have not gotten close to the end or the end of your accumulation journey.
It's not advisable to be withdrawing your holdings when you are still in your accumulation stage, because with that, you may struggle to get to your over accumulation status or you may be tempted to be tapping it little by little which is not a good practice, since it will limit the growth of your Bitcoin stash.
So selling part of your Bitcoin stash when you are still far from getting to your over accumulation status is a wrong thing to do, because you might never get to that over accumulation status if you keep doing that consistently.

You are correct to identify that there are likely going to be quite a few times during a bitcoin accumulation journey that the investor will be tempted to sell some or all of his bitcoin.

Sure, it is not a good practice to sell any of your bitcoin prior to getting to overaccumulation status, yet guys are going to do what they are going to do, and they might also lose their way when they sell rather than buy or just hold.

Guys have to make these kinds of decisions and figure out the trade-offs for doing it, even if his intention is to replaces all of the coins that had been sold.

The longer that a guy is in the process of accumulating bitcoin, the more he has likely tailored his own systems, yet he still might end up making mistakes in delaying his reaching of overaccumulation status or even mismeasuring where he is at and/or how close he is to overaccumulation status.

[AuchanX]

If an investor expresses his desire to withdraw some amount from his investment and enjoy it, then he can do so if he wants. If a person's investment increases by double the amount invested, if its term does not expire and if it does not reach the excess savings level, he can still withdraw some amount and enjoy it. However, if he withdraws the entire amount, it will never be the right decision.

I know that at some point some Bitcoin investors will want to withdraw some of their Bitcoin, just to have a taste of what they have been hustling for, for years, but that should never be considered if you have not gotten close to the end or the end of your accumulation journey.
It's not advisable to be withdrawing your holdings when you are still in your accumulation stage, because with that, you may struggle to get to your over accumulation status or you may be tempted to be tapping it little by little which is not a good practice, since it will limit the growth of your Bitcoin stash.
So selling part of your Bitcoin stash when you are still far from getting to your over accumulation status is a wrong thing to do, because you might never get to that over accumulation status if you keep doing that consistently.

You are right. In fact,many investors start with a clear plan,,,But the Market fluctuations and the emotional urge to take profits distract them from that Plan. I think this is the biggest problem. Because once someone starts selling from the savings stage, they actually weaken their future position. In this case, many investors make mistakes due to an Extra thought...For example, some may think that they are still far away, while many mistakenly assume that they are Almost there.This wrong thought is often the reason for selling early. So selling on emotion just to enjoy it is a reason for regret in the Future... And the regret increases even more when those coins have to be bought again at a higher price Later.

[Achalugo BTC]

Trading is buying and selling to make a short term profit, whereas investment is a situation of buying and holding for a long term profit. Long term holders do not need to worry about the short term market correction because historically, Bitcoin usually recovers after every 4 years, so no matter where you got in, the market will definitely come back to you because less and less Bitcoin are being mined each day versus increasing demand.

You are totally right, people has make a lot of losses because they were unable to have this mindset, even those that want to hold for a long term ended up selling of their Bitcoin due to the misinformation they have. That is why its essential for people to know the difference between investing and trading, which will enable them to make an informed decision that they won't later regret in life.
And its also important for people who wants to either invest or trade in crypto to always verify any information that comes that way, so that they will not end up making decision that result them in having more loss than profit.

[Taskford]

If an investor expresses his desire to withdraw some amount from his investment and enjoy it, then he can do so if he wants. If a person's investment increases by double the amount invested, if its term does not expire and if it does not reach the excess savings level, he can still withdraw some amount and enjoy it. However, if he withdraws the entire amount, it will never be the right decision.

I know that at some point some Bitcoin investors will want to withdraw some of their Bitcoin, just to have a taste of what they have been hustling for, for years, but that should never be considered if you have not gotten close to the end or the end of your accumulation journey.
It's not advisable to be withdrawing your holdings when you are still in your accumulation stage, because with that, you may struggle to get to your over accumulation status or you may be tempted to be tapping it little by little which is not a good practice, since it will limit the growth of your Bitcoin stash.
So selling part of your Bitcoin stash when you are still far from getting to your over accumulation status is a wrong thing to do, because you might never get to that over accumulation status if you keep doing that consistently.

You are correct to identify that there are likely going to be quite a few times during a bitcoin accumulation journey that the investor will be tempted to sell some or all of his bitcoin.

Sure, it is not a good practice to sell any of your bitcoin prior to getting to overaccumulation status, yet guys are going to do what they are going to do, and they might also lose their way when they sell rather than buy or just hold.

Guys have to make these kinds of decisions and figure out the trade-offs for doing it, even if his intention is to replaces all of the coins that had been sold.

The longer that a guy is in the process of accumulating bitcoin, the more he has likely tailored his own systems, yet he still might end up making mistakes in delaying his reaching of overaccumulation status or even mismeasuring where he is at and/or how close he is to overaccumulation status.

Also agree, since the journey for accumulating Bitcoin is challenging and there's lots of temptations that may bother us. As always the key to success is to have discipline.Thinking about selling some part of their holdings early may delay them for reaching their target. Then if they are consistent with their accumulation this one build their portfolio more faster.

We can't deny that there are certain issues comes that need to face on, bit if they are just stay in focus the closer we could reach on our target or in overaccumulation state which I think we are now in good phase with this since we can slowly relax and think about next best action to do.

[cxtreenal]

You are correct to identify that there are likely going to be quite a few times during a bitcoin accumulation journey that the investor will be tempted to sell some or all of his bitcoin.

Sure, it is not a good practice to sell any of your bitcoin prior to getting to overaccumulation status, yet guys are going to do what they are going to do, and they might also lose their way when they sell rather than buy or just hold.

Guys have to make these kinds of decisions and figure out the trade-offs for doing it, even if his intention is to replaces all of the coins that had been sold.

The longer that a guy is in the process of accumulating bitcoin, the more he has likely tailored his own systems, yet he still might end up making mistakes in delaying his reaching of overaccumulation status or even mismeasuring where he is at and/or how close he is to overaccumulation status.

Many investors will be tempted by the ATH before Bitcoin reaches the overaccumulation stage. Many will be tempted by others to sell. For them this habit will create investment breakdown. They will think about this kind of mental exit again and again. They should be mentally prepared to replace it after selling not the entire Bitcoin but a part of it. At least during the price decline it would be wise for those investors to try to recover the assets or fractions that they withdrew.

I find it comforting to think that reaching the over-accumulation stage may be delayed but if they continue to do DCA regularly those investors will at least be proud of their Bitcoin accumulation that they are holding the digital asset (Bitcoin) as their real assets grow.

[Merit.s]

Many investors will be tempted by the ATH before Bitcoin reaches the overaccumulation stage. Many will be tempted by others to sell. For them this habit will create investment breakdown. They will think about this kind of mental exit again and again. They should be mentally prepared to replace it after selling not the entire Bitcoin but a part of it. At least during the price decline it would be wise for those investors to try to recover the assets or fractions that they withdrew.

I find it comforting to think that reaching the over-accumulation stage may be delayed but if they continue to do DCA regularly those investors will at least be proud of their Bitcoin accumulation that they are holding the digital asset (Bitcoin) as their real assets grow.

You don't need to sell any of your bitcoin when you haven't reached your bitcoin target because it will slow your bitcoin accumulation pace down. Instead of growing, you are destroying. Don't be carried away with dollar profits because it will make you lose focus on your bitcoin accumulation goal.

You might think that you are smart enough to sell some part to buy back when the price dip, it's a wrong mentality because you are deviating from a long-term investor into a trader. Gradually, when you see a little profits, you will want to sell hoping to buy back and before you know it, you are depreciating your bitcoin portfolio growth due to lack of patience, sacrifice and commitment till you reach your bitcoin target.

A new investor should forget about profit but focus on accumulating bitcoin through DCA till you reach your bitcoin target because the future profits is the best and sweetest with no regrets. So why are you in a rush to take profit from your premature investment. You might think that you want to tap a little profits and before you know it, you'll sell too many bitcoin too soon and regret your actions.

[whiteblue]

Trading is buying and selling to make a short term profit, whereas investment is a situation of buying and holding for a long term profit. Long term holders do not need to worry about the short term market correction because historically, Bitcoin usually recovers after every 4 years, so no matter where you got in, the market will definitely come back to you because less and less Bitcoin are being mined each day versus increasing demand.

You are totally right, people has make a lot of losses because they were unable to have this mindset, even those that want to hold for a long term ended up selling of their Bitcoin due to the misinformation they have. That is why its essential for people to know the difference between investing and trading, which will enable them to make an informed decision that they won't later regret in life.
And its also important for people who wants to either invest or trade in crypto to always verify any information that comes that way, so that they will not end up making decision that result them in having more loss than profit.

Or you better not listen to the news especially about FUD against bitcoin, you are an investor who must be confident in what you are buying with the time you are targeting in bitcoin investment, should have that your investment can be safe in bitcoin, I know grasping is not easy but you must understand if it is easy to do there will be many people who are successful with bitcoin, in fact not, many people lose because they do not prepare themselves with knowledge and understanding of how we invest and take a stand.

Trading? We shouldn't talk about it.

[JayJuanGee]

If an investor expresses his desire to withdraw some amount from his investment and enjoy it, then he can do so if he wants. If a person's investment increases by double the amount invested, if its term does not expire and if it does not reach the excess savings level, he can still withdraw some amount and enjoy it. However, if he withdraws the entire amount, it will never be the right decision.

I know that at some point some Bitcoin investors will want to withdraw some of their Bitcoin, just to have a taste of what they have been hustling for, for years, but that should never be considered if you have not gotten close to the end or the end of your accumulation journey.
It's not advisable to be withdrawing your holdings when you are still in your accumulation stage, because with that, you may struggle to get to your over accumulation status or you may be tempted to be tapping it little by little which is not a good practice, since it will limit the growth of your Bitcoin stash.
So selling part of your Bitcoin stash when you are still far from getting to your over accumulation status is a wrong thing to do, because you might never get to that over accumulation status if you keep doing that consistently.

You are right. In fact,many investors start with a clear plan,,,But the Market fluctuations and the emotional urge to take profits distract them from that Plan. I think this is the biggest problem. Because once someone starts selling from the savings stage, they actually weaken their future position. In this case, many investors make mistakes due to an Extra thought...For example, some may think that they are still far away, while many mistakenly assume that they are Almost there.This wrong thought is often the reason for selling early. So selling on emotion just to enjoy it is a reason for regret in the Future... And the regret increases even more when those coins have to be bought again at a higher price Later.

Many times we likely will falsely start to presume that we are able to shave off some coin and we are likely lured into the profit level of our coins (and the value of the stash), and we cannot resist but to tap into it.  Our bitcoin stash may well be several times more than any other investment that we have and it may even be the most value that we could have had ever imagined to have at our complete discretion in regards to what to do with it - so we start to consider various ways that we can spend from it (or even invest from it) in ways that we had thought to have had been beyond our expectations in regards to where we are at in life (or where we might have had been at this time in our life).. so guys might not be able to resist cashing out amounts that go beyond their abilities to replace them, even though they might imagine that they will be able to replace the cashed out amounts later....

...and, sure there could be some guys that get lucky in regards to the amount that they cash out and their ability to replace it, yet many guys end up cashing out way too much too soon and greatly interfering with their abilities to reach overaccumulation status in the future.  It is hard to figure out ways how to get guys to rethink their temptations in regards to selling too much too soon.. which is likely part of the reason why we so frequently witness such mistake(s) of selling too much too soon.

I frequently try to suggest not to sell any at all, yet if there is a temptation to sell some of the bitcoin, then to at least put the amount that is sold onto a replacement schedule, so then the amount that is sold would end up being an amount that could end up being replaced over a period of 1-2 years or maybe even less than that.. yet you can imagine that even the potential of having to replace an investment amount over 1-2 years, that should cause pause to guys in regards to the amount of BTC that they are tapping into.. and to show that even with an authorized amount of that involves 1-2 years of time to replace it, there could end up being quite a bit of delay...

...and surely even some guys might fool themselves into believing that they could replace a sold amount in 1-2 years, when in fact the time to replace is likely longer than the time that they are estimating it to be.. so there are many ways that guys can end up fooling themselves when they become so focused on and obsessed with taking out some of their bitcoin (profits)... and I am not even proclaiming to know all of the ways that guys could formulate their calculations, except that frequently I have seen guys selling too much too soon and largely screwing up their chances to ever reach overaccumulation status based on their own inpatient desires to consume some of their BTC (or to use that BTC for an investment that is likely way inferior to having had just kept the value in bitcoin).

So surely there are likely both profits involved in the calculations and also fears of loss from BTC price drops.. and maybe rarely sound investments, such as investing in the ability to go to some kind of a training school that has large chances to increase future income (and/or job satisfaction).  There can be some investments that sometimes might end up being achieved because of otherwise premature bitcoin sales.  Each guy is going to have individual circumstances that he has to figure out a course of action that reasonably balances his circumstances.

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Also agree, since the journey for accumulating Bitcoin is challenging and there's lots of temptations that may bother us. As always the key to success is to have discipline.Thinking about selling some part of their holdings early may delay them for reaching their target. Then if they are consistent with their accumulation this one build their portfolio more faster.

We can't deny that there are certain issues comes that need to face on, bit if they are just stay in focus the closer we could reach on our target or in overaccumulation state which I think we are now in good phase with this since we can slowly relax and think about next best action to do.

We surely have way more options when we get to our overaccumulation state - even though we also start to get a lot of increased options when we start getting close to such overaccumulation state, too.

Probably most of the screw ups will take place in the first or maybe the second cycle and at a point of time that is still fairly early in the accumulation process - and surely guys become impatient in regards to their abilities to see the value of their holdings.  The guys who are accumulating from only their discretionary income are going to progress more slowly, even though they might perceive a lot of progress and be tempted to tap into the progress - and it is not all or nothing, either, since there may even be some guys who come to bitcoin and they have other investments, so they end up reallocating from their other investments into bitcoin, which could end up causing them to experience higher levels of short-term profits if the BTC price ends up going up greatly after their reallocation into it... so there can be a variety of scenarios that guys interfere with their abilities to reach overaccumulation status, yet it seems that many of the more dangerous temptations would end up coming in the earlier years of investing into bitcoin.. since after a cycle or two, guys might have had been able to develop systems to lessen the chances that they would tap into their bitcoin in a way that causes them to sell too much too soon.

Many investors will be tempted by the ATH before Bitcoin reaches the overaccumulation stage. Many will be tempted by others to sell. For them this habit will create investment breakdown. They will think about this kind of mental exit again and again. They should be mentally prepared to replace it after selling not the entire Bitcoin but a part of it. At least during the price decline it would be wise for those investors to try to recover the assets or fractions that they withdrew.

I find it comforting to think that reaching the over-accumulation stage may be delayed but if they continue to do DCA regularly those investors will at least be proud of their Bitcoin accumulation that they are holding the digital asset (Bitcoin) as their real assets grow.

You don't need to sell any of your bitcoin when you haven't reached your bitcoin target because it will slow your bitcoin accumulation pace down. Instead of growing, you are destroying. Don't be carried away with dollar profits because it will make you lose focus on your bitcoin accumulation goal.

You might think that you are smart enough to sell some part to buy back when the price dip, it's a wrong mentality because you are deviating from a long-term investor into a trader. Gradually, when you see a little profits, you will want to sell hoping to buy back and before you know it, you are depreciating your bitcoin portfolio growth due to lack of patience, sacrifice and commitment till you reach your bitcoin target.

A new investor should forget about profit but focus on accumulating bitcoin through DCA till you reach your bitcoin target because the future profits is the best and sweetest with no regrets. So why are you in a rush to take profit from your premature investment. You might think that you want to tap a little profits and before you know it, you'll sell too many bitcoin too soon and regret your actions.

You are not wrong Merit.s, yet guys are going to do what they are going to do, and they have to suffer the consequences if they end up selling too much too soon ..

It seems that that the best that we can do in regards to helping anyone else to help themselves is to at least attempt to get guys to consider how to minimize any sales amount that they might end up doing and to consider the various scenarios related to how long it might take for them to replace the bitcoin that they had sold - since they cannot necessarily presume that they will be able to buy back cheaper than their sales entrance point.

If they at least recognize that selling any BTC prior to reaching overaccumulation status is an inferior approach then maybe they can at least limit any quantity of BTC sales that they end up authorizing themselves to do.

[Gost ms]

Many investors will be tempted by the ATH before Bitcoin reaches the overaccumulation stage. Many will be tempted by others to sell. For them this habit will create investment breakdown. They will think about this kind of mental exit again and again. They should be mentally prepared to replace it after selling not the entire Bitcoin but a part of it. At least during the price decline it would be wise for those investors to try to recover the assets or fractions that they withdrew.

I find it comforting to think that reaching the over-accumulation stage may be delayed but if they continue to do DCA regularly those investors will at least be proud of their Bitcoin accumulation that they are holding the digital asset (Bitcoin) as their real assets grow.

This is the biggest reason why a consistent investor loses his consistency. Many people think that during the ATH, they will enjoy the profit by selling some holdings and when the market falls, they will buy something aggressively and fill the gap. If a person does this, then he can lose the consistency of his investment. A person should never think about all these aspects, he should always focus on investing consistently. When a person reaches the goal of his portfolio and when he completes his time frame, he can get a very good result.

Several reasons for losing the consistency of investment are:

Finding shortcut rules, withdrawing some money from the portfolio and enjoying it, not building faith in Bitcoin, not doing research. For these reasons, a person can easily fall out of the investment consistency.

[Derekfunds]

Trading is buying and selling to make a short term profit, whereas investment is a situation of buying and holding for a long term profit. Long term holders do not need to worry about the short term market correction because historically, Bitcoin usually recovers after every 4 years, so no matter where you got in, the market will definitely come back to you because less and less Bitcoin are being mined each day versus increasing demand.

You are totally right, people has make a lot of losses because they were unable to have this mindset, even those that want to hold for a long term ended up selling of their Bitcoin due to the misinformation they have. That is why its essential for people to know the difference between investing and trading, which will enable them to make an informed decision that they won't later regret in life.
And its also important for people who wants to either invest or trade in crypto to always verify any information that comes that way, so that they will not end up making decision that result them in having more loss than profit.

Misinformation is not only the reason some people sell their investment or panic but sometimes they are already determined to mess around with Bitcoin that is trading it and sometimes they are just myopic to see or limited to see what Bitcoin actually holds in the future and the interesting part is that they always learn in the hard way. Anyone who wants to enjoy Bitcoin should invest and hold for long term and this isn't supposed to be a new suggestion because we have seen it with our eyes the growth of Bitcoin since 2009 till this very moment.

[AuchanX]

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You are right. In fact,many investors start with a clear plan,,,But the Market fluctuations and the emotional urge to take profits distract them from that Plan. I think this is the biggest problem. Because once someone starts selling from the savings stage, they actually weaken their future position. In this case, many investors make mistakes due to an Extra thought...For example, some may think that they are still far away, while many mistakenly assume that they are Almost there.This wrong thought is often the reason for selling early. So selling on emotion just to enjoy it is a reason for regret in the Future... And the regret increases even more when those coins have to be bought again at a higher price Later.

Many times we likely will falsely start to presume that we are able to shave off some coin and we are likely lured into the profit level of our coins (and the value of the stash), and we cannot resist but to tap into it.  Our bitcoin stash may well be several times more than any other investment that we have and it may even be the most value that we could have had ever imagined to have at our complete discretion in regards to what to do with it - so we start to consider various ways that we can spend from it (or even invest from it) in ways that we had thought to have had been beyond our expectations in regards to where we are at in life (or where we might have had been at this time in our life).. so guys might not be able to resist cashing out amounts that go beyond their abilities to replace them, even though they might imagine that they will be able to replace the cashed out amounts later....

...and, sure there could be some guys that get lucky in regards to the amount that they cash out and their ability to replace it, yet many guys end up cashing out way too much too soon and greatly interfering with their abilities to reach overaccumulation status in the future.  It is hard to figure out ways how to get guys to rethink their temptations in regards to selling too much too soon.. which is likely part of the reason why we so frequently witness such mistake(s) of selling too much too soon.

I frequently try to suggest not to sell any at all, yet if there is a temptation to sell some of the bitcoin, then to at least put the amount that is sold onto a replacement schedule, so then the amount that is sold would end up being an amount that could end up being replaced over a period of 1-2 years or maybe even less than that.. yet you can imagine that even the potential of having to replace an investment amount over 1-2 years, that should cause pause to guys in regards to the amount of BTC that they are tapping into.. and to show that even with an authorized amount of that involves 1-2 years of time to replace it, there could end up being quite a bit of delay...

...and surely even some guys might fool themselves into believing that they could replace a sold amount in 1-2 years, when in fact the time to replace is likely longer than the time that they are estimating it to be.. so there are many ways that guys can end up fooling themselves when they become so focused on and obsessed with taking out some of their bitcoin (profits)... and I am not even proclaiming to know all of the ways that guys could formulate their calculations, except that frequently I have seen guys selling too much too soon and largely screwing up their chances to ever reach overaccumulation status based on their own inpatient desires to consume some of their BTC (or to use that BTC for an investment that is likely way inferior to having had just kept the value in bitcoin).

So surely there are likely both profits involved in the calculations and also fears of loss from BTC price drops.. and maybe rarely sound investments, such as investing in the ability to go to some kind of a training school that has large chances to increase future income (and/or job satisfaction).  There can be some investments that sometimes might end up being achieved because of otherwise premature bitcoin sales.  Each guy is going to have individual circumstances that he has to figure out a course of action that reasonably balances his circumstances.

I will also keep in mind the advice you mentioned in real life. Because you said what I think. And what you said is not false. Actually, these days, when people's portfolios start growing, they think about when to sell, just to enjoy. But as you said, the problem with Bitcoin is not when to sell, but will I ever be able to get this BTC back? Honestly, no one wants to ask this question to their conscience. When the price increases,,Bitcoin is no longer seen as a long-term asset. Then it becomes necessary for various purposes. Then it suddenly becomes money to spend. And this is a big mistake. And to be honest, most people, once they sell, cannot buy it again. So,as you suggested,>you should not sell<,this should be kept in everyone's mind.

I heard someone say, I am selling from profit. Those who booked profits very early in history, regretted the most in the next cycle.Because they could no longer enter in the same quantity as before.In reality, is profit in BTC and the amount of BTC the same thing?

[JayJuanGee]

Many investors will be tempted by the ATH before Bitcoin reaches the overaccumulation stage. Many will be tempted by others to sell. For them this habit will create investment breakdown. They will think about this kind of mental exit again and again. They should be mentally prepared to replace it after selling not the entire Bitcoin but a part of it. At least during the price decline it would be wise for those investors to try to recover the assets or fractions that they withdrew.

I find it comforting to think that reaching the over-accumulation stage may be delayed but if they continue to do DCA regularly those investors will at least be proud of their Bitcoin accumulation that they are holding the digital asset (Bitcoin) as their real assets grow.

This is the biggest reason why a consistent investor loses his consistency. Many people think that during the ATH, they will enjoy the profit by selling some holdings and when the market falls, they will buy something aggressively and fill the gap. If a person does this, then he can lose the consistency of his investment. A person should never think about all these aspects, he should always focus on investing consistently. When a person reaches the goal of his portfolio and when he completes his time frame, he can get a very good result.

Several reasons for losing the consistency of investment are:

Finding shortcut rules, withdrawing some money from the portfolio and enjoying it, not building faith in Bitcoin, not doing research. For these reasons, a person can easily fall out of the investment consistency.

I understand that you (Gost ms) are proclaiming that there is a need to keep accumulating BTC in a consistent way and to not stop that ongoing accumulation of BTC through buying until reaching the accumulation goal.  Ok.  that sounds good, since we are not talking about trading BTC and/or selling BTC in this thread.....at least not until reaching overaccumulation.

In this thread, we are talking about ongoing buying of BTC to reach the accumulation goal or the overaccumulation goal

So then what is the accumulation goal that you are referring to, and how would you know when you have reached such goal?

And then once the goal is reached, from your point of view, what is the next step after that?

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I will also keep in mind the advice you mentioned in real life. Because you said what I think. And what you said is not false. Actually, these days, when people's portfolios start growing, they think about when to sell, just to enjoy. But as you said, the problem with Bitcoin is not when to sell, but will I ever be able to get this BTC back? Honestly, no one wants to ask this question to their conscience. When the price increases,,Bitcoin is no longer seen as a long-term asset. Then it becomes necessary for various purposes. Then it suddenly becomes money to spend. And this is a big mistake. And to be honest, most people, once they sell, cannot buy it again. So,as you suggested,>you should not sell<,this should be kept in everyone's mind.

I heard someone say, I am selling from profit. Those who booked profits very early in history, regretted the most in the next cycle.Because they could no longer enter in the same quantity as before.In reality, is profit in BTC and the amount of BTC the same thing?

I think that I am saying something slightly different, since I tend to suggest that we should not be selling any BTC until we reach overaccumulation stage.

I am also saying that once we create formulas in regards to the quantity of BTC that we sell, we are selling without any expectations of being able to buy back cheaper, so therefore we are establishing our sales amounts to be so small that we do not expect to be able to buy back cheaper and we will not be concerned if the BTC price keeps going up because we have not overly sold from our stash to take us out of overaccumulation status, whether we are engaging in price-based sustainable withdrawal or we are engaging in time-based sustainable withdrawal.

Of course in my sustainable withdrawal thread I go into more details in regards to how each of the sustainable withdrawal systems work, yet neither system would allow selling so much BTC that we would get knocked out of our already attained overaccumulation status.

Accordingly, we don't have to worry about buying back in order to stay in overaccumulation status, yet we can still optionally buy back to the extent that we are able to (based on still having money available) if the BTC price were to fall to levels that suggest continuing to accumulate such as below the 200-WMA or even more than 35% the 200-WMA (which would be record levels of lows in bitcoin in terms of the 200-WMA as a bottom metric).

I am not proclaiming to have had worked out all potential bugs because there could end up being some problems if the BTC price continues to drop and does not recover, so there could be some value in taking some amount of value out that we will not buy back and we can feel o..k.. even if the BTC price were to continue to spiral downwardly.

There could be some situations in which a guy had assessed that he had reached overaccumulation status, so then he authorizes price based sustainable withdrawal and/or time based sustainable withdrawal based on such suggestions, but then the BTC price discontinued to go up, so then price based sales would not be triggered because the BTC price was not going up, and time based sustainable withdrawal would still be triggered, yet as soon as the price drops below 25% higher than the 200-WMA, then authorized withdrawal amounts would be reduced, so it could be in rare cases that a guy would be kicked back into going back to accumulating bitcoin, yet if he has calculated the numbers correctly, his going back to accumulation stage should not be caused by the quantity of his bitcoin sales - which I suppose is part of the rationale in which I frequently suggest that it is better to accumulate more than the bare minimum threshold quantity of bitcoin in order to reach overaccumulation status.

Maybe  I should ask you too AuchanX?  (a similar question as I had asked Gost ms).  What do you consider to be your bitcoin accumulation goal?  and how would you know if you had reached it?  You don't have to give your bitcoin stack size in order to describe what you consider to be a reasonable goal and then what you would consider to be how you would treat the reaching of such goal, once reaching such goal (presuming that you might have a plausible path in order to achieve the goals that you had set for yourself).

[cxtreenal]

Many investors will be tempted by the ATH before Bitcoin reaches the overaccumulation stage. Many will be tempted by others to sell. For them this habit will create investment breakdown. They will think about this kind of mental exit again and again. They should be mentally prepared to replace it after selling not the entire Bitcoin but a part of it. At least during the price decline it would be wise for those investors to try to recover the assets or fractions that they withdrew.

I find it comforting to think that reaching the over-accumulation stage may be delayed but if they continue to do DCA regularly those investors will at least be proud of their Bitcoin accumulation that they are holding the digital asset (Bitcoin) as their real assets grow.

You don't need to sell any of your bitcoin when you haven't reached your bitcoin target because it will slow your bitcoin accumulation pace down. Instead of growing, you are destroying. Don't be carried away with dollar profits because it will make you lose focus on your bitcoin accumulation goal.

You might think that you are smart enough to sell some part to buy back when the price dip, it's a wrong mentality because you are deviating from a long-term investor into a trader. Gradually, when you see a little profits, you will want to sell hoping to buy back and before you know it, you are depreciating your bitcoin portfolio growth due to lack of patience, sacrifice and commitment till you reach your bitcoin target.

A new investor should forget about profit but focus on accumulating bitcoin through DCA till you reach your bitcoin target because the future profits is the best and sweetest with no regrets. So why are you in a rush to take profit from your premature investment. You might think that you want to tap a little profits and before you know it, you'll sell too many bitcoin too soon and regret your actions.

Surely... This is what every investor should do. It is not right to decide to withdraw Bitcoin before reaching the overaccumulation level. Some investors make the foolish decision to withdraw their long held Bitcoin in the pursuit of small profits. The idea of ​​selling during the ATH period can slow down their Bitcoin accumulation. Staying consistent in Bitcoin and regularly running DCA will be the right decision for you.

No.. many investors think that selling when the price rises and buying back when the price falls thats one kind of gambling. Investors who have at least a little knowledge about investing will be able to understand that if they have been accumulation Bitcoin for two years and decide to sell part of it before reaching the overaccumulation level, they will never get back the previous buying price. If you know about these advantages and strategies of doing DCA, you can keep DCA running to keep Bitcoin holdings intact even after reaching the overaccumulation level.

[JayJuanGee]

Many investors will be tempted by the ATH before Bitcoin reaches the overaccumulation stage. Many will be tempted by others to sell. For them this habit will create investment breakdown. They will think about this kind of mental exit again and again. They should be mentally prepared to replace it after selling not the entire Bitcoin but a part of it. At least during the price decline it would be wise for those investors to try to recover the assets or fractions that they withdrew.

I find it comforting to think that reaching the over-accumulation stage may be delayed but if they continue to do DCA regularly those investors will at least be proud of their Bitcoin accumulation that they are holding the digital asset (Bitcoin) as their real assets grow.

You don't need to sell any of your bitcoin when you haven't reached your bitcoin target because it will slow your bitcoin accumulation pace down. Instead of growing, you are destroying. Don't be carried away with dollar profits because it will make you lose focus on your bitcoin accumulation goal.

You might think that you are smart enough to sell some part to buy back when the price dip, it's a wrong mentality because you are deviating from a long-term investor into a trader. Gradually, when you see a little profits, you will want to sell hoping to buy back and before you know it, you are depreciating your bitcoin portfolio growth due to lack of patience, sacrifice and commitment till you reach your bitcoin target.

A new investor should forget about profit but focus on accumulating bitcoin through DCA till you reach your bitcoin target because the future profits is the best and sweetest with no regrets. So why are you in a rush to take profit from your premature investment. You might think that you want to tap a little profits and before you know it, you'll sell too many bitcoin too soon and regret your actions.

Surely... This is what every investor should do. It is not right to decide to withdraw Bitcoin before reaching the overaccumulation level. Some investors make the foolish decision to withdraw their long held Bitcoin in the pursuit of small profits. The idea of ​​selling during the ATH period can slow down their Bitcoin accumulation. Staying consistent in Bitcoin and regularly running DCA will be the right decision for you.

No.. many investors think that selling when the price rises and buying back when the price falls thats one kind of gambling. Investors who have at least a little knowledge about investing will be able to understand that if they have been accumulation Bitcoin for two years and decide to sell part of it before reaching the overaccumulation level, they will never get back the previous buying price. If you know about these advantages and strategies of doing DCA, you can keep DCA running to keep Bitcoin holdings intact even after reaching the overaccumulation level.

Part of the problem of starting to withdraw too soon is that the stack size has not gotten to a large enough size in order to allow the withdrawal amount to be sufficiently large enough to really make a difference.

If I guy were to have a $30k per year income ($2,500 per month) and he had been investing into bitcoin fairly aggressively at $100 per week, which is 17% of his income, then time investing into bitcoin really makes a difference in terms of both building the bitcoin stash and then just allowing it to appreciate (to the extent that it is going to appreciate in value).  If we look at the historical result in mostly 2 year increments, we see that it takes time to build up a BTC stack size that would end up justifying meaningful sustainable withdrawal amounts. If the stack size is too low, then it does not make sense to withdraw from it and/or deplete the principle that had been being built up.

At 2 years investing he would have had invested: $10,500   He would have had accumulated: 0.1352 BTC  and currently, his sustainable withdrawal rate would be yearly: $70  and monthly:  $65 ^**

**Note: you can plug in the numbers for each of the below amounts from the above linked websites

At 4 years investing he would have had invested: $21,000   He would have had accumulated: 0.54 BTC  and currently, his sustainable withdrawal rate would be yearly: $3,100  and monthly:  $257

At 6 years investing he would have had invested: $31,400   He would have had accumulated: 1.164 BTC  and currently, his sustainable withdrawal rate would be yearly: $6,650  and monthly:  $554

At 8 years investing he would have had invested: $41,800   He would have had accumulated: 2.754 BTC  and currently, his sustainable withdrawal rate would be yearly: $15,740  and monthly:  $1,311

At 9 years investing he would have had invested: $47,000   He would have had accumulated: 5.27 BTC  and currently, his sustainable withdrawal rate would be yearly: $30,110  and monthly:  $2,509

At 10 years investing he would have had invested: $52,400   He would have had accumulated: 15.257 BTC  and currently, his sustainable withdrawal rate would be yearly: $87,164  and monthly:  $7,263

In the above examples, we see that the invested amount of the hypothetical guy of 17% of his income does not cause a sustainable withdraw amount that is above his current income until at 9 years, so it shows that it can take time to get the sustainable rate of withdrawal up to a level that is meaningful (even with a person who had been able to invest at such a high rate of 17%), which seems to mean that ongoing contribution towards building the bitcoin helps to get the stack size up to higher levels and that there is danger if the bitcoin stack size ends up getting depleted before it reaches an amount that will support some meaningful sustainable withdraw amount.  

If the stack size is depleted before it reaches a meaningful amount, then it will support ONLY a smaller sustainable withdrawal rate and could end up contributing towards guys who don't engage in sustainable withdraw, but instead deplete their bitcoin stash (which means selling too much bitcoin too soon).. which is part of the justification why guys should try to focus on getting their BTC stack sizes higher rather than being concerned about the extent to which their BTC is in profits or not.  

It seems that the profit level of the bitcoin stack will likely work itself out with the passage of time, yet the main idea should be ongoingly getting the bitcoin stack size up to a high enough level so then at some point in time it will start to make sense to start to withdraw from the stack that had been accumulated - hopefully the withdraw could be done in a sustainable way rather than a way that overly depletes the stack and is not sustainable.

I personally think that if a BTC stack reaches a sustainable level, then the dollar value of the withdrawal rate can be increase by 7% each year.