CrazyTime and Monopoly, should we trust?

[dimonstration]

The games give the House an obvious advantage over the players, because they have the odds in their favor. Crazy Time Odds =
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/

You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.

The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games.   

Exactly, This is what I believe too, Why they bother to rig the games while they always have the upper hand when we do the match for probability. They have maximum bet allowed so it means they have totally in control to the max profit that user can earn, Human error will increase overtime so the house will always win at the end if the player keeps betting due to enjoyment they can get on potential massive prize that they can get. I'm playing crazy time before and I won many times with massive multiplier but due to my greediness, I always ended up losing because I only bet on x10, x5 and the 4 special games leaving x1 and x2 empty which the usual winning number.

[perfect999]

This is what I believe too, Why they bother to rig the games while they always have the upper hand when we do the match for probability. They have maximum bet allowed so it means they have totally in control to the max profit that user can earn, Human error will increase overtime so the house will always win at the end if the player keeps betting due to enjoyment they can get on potential massive prize that they can get. I'm playing crazy time before and I won many times with massive multiplier but due to my greediness, I always ended up losing because I only bet on x10, x5 and the 4 special games leaving x1 and x2 empty which the usual winning number.

Maximum bet allowed? That means they allow any bet without limit? They are not scared because they know that they have more chance of winning than the player because the house edge is high but to some casinos they do not allow it. They have set their own max bet limit if how much a player can bet maybe because they have a lower house edge and they are scared that any player can bet a really huge amount and that can bust them if ever the player are lucky.

In any games or in any gambling, they always have an advantage over the player because that is how gambling works, no wonder why they are a booming industry.

[Boristhecat]

I have the same feelings about these games and therefore I have never played them. But logically, if these games were dishonest, then sooner or later their organizers would be caught on something (or there would be a leak of information about how everything really works) and the organizers of such games would lose their reputation. But I don't think I've heard of any such investigations or scandals.

No one yet surfaces out of dismay for losing thousands in the game. The monopoly game I use to play was is a board game, not this kind. But yes if it has auditors I guess they all could conspire players in thier favor by rigging the devices.

Hard to prove fairness, I even suspect the live cam casinos are arranging those decks of cards already before they distribute to the players. I don't buy it when there is no cheating. The house will hate the game if that is the case.

In order to constantly (on average) win casinos do not need to cheat - mathematics works in their favor. I think it's much more profitable to do business honestly than to risk being discovered and losing all business (due to punishment and loss of reputation). By the way, the honesty of the casino can be checked not only by the honesty of video broadcasts, but also by mathematical statistics - if the casino is cheating, then the analysis will show it.

[seoincorporation]

The games give the House an obvious advantage over the players, because they have the odds in their favor. Crazy Time Odds =
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/

You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.

The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games.   

You are right, the House always wins, and that is because there is a House Edge, we can calculate that house edge for any game with the odds and the multipliers. In other words, how much does the casino win in the long run. If you are playing a dice game with a house edge of 1% and you are betting to 50% chance to win, in the long run you will win 50% of your bets, but for a 98% profit on each one, that way the house always wins.

Now, getting back to Crazy Time, wasn't easy to find the house edge, but it's between 3.92% and 5.67%, which is really high for a game. https://smartcasinoguide.com/crazy-time-casino-game/ But this doesn't mean the users never win. The variance is the biggest enemy for the house edge.

[AicecreaME]

Live games are really entertaining, is like watching TV while we pace bets. But they are not probably fair, and there are a lot of videos on youtube that show how the rolls are manipulated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu7400hUA3A)

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

There's no really guarantee that these games are under provably fair. Theres a chance that the video you see on the screen is recorded beforehand. It's really hard to tell because nowadays, technology is at its peak and anyone can do almost everything possible with the help of technology and applications. But if someone here is interested in these kinds of games, then I suggest that you check the provider they are under to. If that provider happens to be reputable and trusted one, then you could take your shot to bet, but still do it at your own risk. If you don't want to be paranoid and be in constant doubt that you are being cheated on by the house, then just drop and let it go. Peace of mind is still of importance after all. You could still find other things that could give you the same satisfaction with live betting. If you insist, just always be on your guard and just bet what you can manage to lose without a heavy heart.

[fiulpro]

One cannot see and cannot control the live games the way a normal game night have been written in software and therefore at the end of the day I do think the question should be more focused on if you would trust the site that you are playing the game on. There are so many sites out there which have reputation on boards and therefore it's way easy to loose those things than actually go forth and do something stupid, I myself do not like playing live games because of the possible result manipulation but if there is someone who is very interested in those then they should actually choose sites which are good and reputable and not randomly playing on them anywhere.

[famososMuertos]

...and good!! that they are "live" does not indicate anything that goes beyond the traditional the house always wins, here the seed is the look at the beginning and the look at the end, literally.

The fact that for example you are in a live casino does not indicate anything, there is always manipulation even in P2P, marked cards, so the decks are not changed in the required time, a dealer who sees a frequent player and how he leaves good tips , there are preferences and depending on the game this adds up, but at the end of the result an unsuspecting player only sees the initial bet and the result of it.

Crypto online games with  provably fair, have made the "most reliable" casino online from that basic perspective, to make a bet and see the result.

Anyway people keep betting, the reason, the result is what matters and they trust that because there are people who are always winning.

Crazy time and Monopoly are quite visually entertaining games and combine that "magic" of digital and live gaming, because many associated digital visual events take place; In any case, all casinos have the same live games (or not)  all that remains is to have fun and hope if "seeing" the final result supports you in winning.

[Fortify]

Live games are really entertaining, is like watching TV while we pace bets. But they are not probably fair, and there are a lot of videos on youtube that show how the rolls are manipulated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu7400hUA3A)

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

It's best if you consider these as somewhat similar to a roulette board, they will be carefully engineered to mathematically give the house an advantage and probably build in a pretty solid margin of safety for the casino. Nobody can really tell what is going on behind the scenes even though the selling point is the fact it is a "live" game, that gives an illusion of safety - but as you say there are many ways that they can and most likely are rigged. There could be weights placed or activated strategically if the house is not winning and it could all be automated, even the person attending the wheel may have no idea - they are only there to act as entertainment and talk.

[Silberman]

I don't put my hand into the fire for this kind of game, but I see they are really popular. In my country there are similar games of this kind, part of an important national TV channel's grade which gives lots of prizes weekly to people who purchase the tickets and sign a monthly "membership". And that is true there is no way to know for sure if the results are legit, especially because it's part of a TV show, but people really don't seem to care about it. They still put their money on this kind of thing, although we know cryptocurrency casinos are much more trustful and accurated on its results.

It really doesn't make sense why these gamblers don't adopt cryptocurrency to ensure they will be putting their money into provably fair games.

This is important information, I have never gambled in a game like that but I always assumed that they were kind of niche games that were not really popular, to think that there are certain countries in which they are so popular is incredible, after all monopoly is probably one of the most common board games around the world to the point a great deal of people probably have it at their homes right now, so I do not see why people are attracted to it when they can play the game at home for free.

[dustboy]

If they rigged the machine, how do we know for sure? So it is better to enjoy the game and see how good our luck and who knows, we can win some prizes. No need to think about many things that we do not know.

This is the main point. Maybe some people feel that the game is rigged when they get continuous loses but they cant prove it. Even if the game is provably fair, there are still many people think that the game is rigged when they get busted. I've played CrazyTime once, tried it several rounds but I cant enjoy the game.

[ryzaadit]

If they rigged the machine, how do we know for sure?

If you search on youtube.

There has been some technical issues on their game and exposed how the game is rigged, is being runner by motor. The issue is keep spinning never stop on anything, so is actually can be controlled.
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Fun fact about these, even we all know they are rigged, people still play the game ~XD they want chasing season while the casino on section gives the player win ~XD.

[KTChampions]

There's no really guarantee that these games are under provably fair. Theres a chance that the video you see on the screen is recorded beforehand. It's really hard to tell because nowadays, technology is at its peak and anyone can do almost everything possible with the help of technology and applications. But if someone here is interested in these kinds of games, then I suggest that you check the provider they are under to. If that provider happens to be reputable and trusted one, then you could take your shot to bet, but still do it at your own risk. If you don't want to be paranoid and be in constant doubt that you are being cheated on by the house, then just drop and let it go. Peace of mind is still of importance after all. You could still find other things that could give you the same satisfaction with live betting. If you insist, just always be on your guard and just bet what you can manage to lose without a heavy heart.

I've never played these games so I don't fully understand the mechanics. Tell me, is the broadcast of the rotation of the wheel going to all players or is it an individual game? It seems to me that this should be for everyone, since it is unprofitable to organize a game for one gambler. And this means that the honesty of the rotation can be checked by looking at the process from different accounts.

[darxiaomi]

Two thigns here.

The games give the House an obvious advantage over the players, because they have the odds in their favor. Crazy Time Odds =
38.88% chance of stopping on 1 (21 segments) 24.07% chance of stopping on 2 (13 segments) 12.96% chance of stopping on 5 (7 segments) = Source https://casinogrounds.com/casino-games/crazy-time/

You can actually track the history of the bets here ==> https://casinoscores.com/crazy-time/ and get expected frequencies for numbers to be spun.

The old saying is... "The House always Win" and that is why they use the odds to their benefit, when they design these games.    

This its completely true. The maths are facts.

But the case its the OP started the thread because asides of the maths they can be manipulated the game for a lot more return.
My response its totally yes. I think they have all the data to see and calculated in the moment if they win or lose so much money and regulated.

For the license, that its for me a joke, do you really think a country like Malta, Curacao etc. Really have people controling the license owners? Its simple they are small states and they grab the money and say yes.

Besides that if one license really control a gameprovider when they go for a research they simply show in that moment the normal game working (with the normal maths said above in the first point). And when this people gone put again his "tricks".

I know a lot of you maybe say to me "no man this cant be done" but im from a country wheres this happen, when the auditors arrives, shows the cleans one and not the real.

[DoublerHunter]

~snip~
There has been some technical issues on their game and exposed how the game is rigged, is being runner by motor. The issue is keep spinning never stop on anything, so is actually can be controlled.

^ Definitely right, they had auditors but when there is no one of auditors personal it can be controlled by them of which they wanted to have a result that has a small bet. Anything that does not have able to verify the game fairness should not be trusted, a machine that can be controlled or any spinning whales that possible can be controlled should always not be trusted.
But there are some gamblers who still trust this kind of game, probably they enjoyed on the game not exactly it will work.

[ryzaadit]

-snip-

License is nothing mate ~XD.

Yes, Indeed even the game is being rigged people still playing. The reason is simple, because the game can be controlled they can manage how much money player losing with the total payout/days. So, they just can make the game have more lose comparing the payout they're made.

Now, the player just need to pray or get lucky moment they are playing during the section provider give the player winning with a good payout.

[chaser15]

reminds me of the online bingo in the Philippines which the numbers are air-mix drawn. it's sort of fair when it's done that way but some are still suspecting the weight of the tennis balls. which in this monopoly game are they suspecting to be unfair?

At least that was done in real LIVE as I believe they are syncing properly with their followers. It means they can also read the updated feeds and even respond to their viewers. It's different to live casinos where there's no interaction of the host to their followers if a live chat is there.

Now, the player just need to pray or get lucky moment they are playing during the section provider give the player winning with a good payout.

Yes, that's the only way if the gambler can hit that win at the same time it was drawn.

There are gamblers who seem to enjoy that game that's why it was widely being played.

[jrrsparkles]

Live games are really entertaining, is like watching TV while we pace bets. But they are not probably fair, and there are a lot of videos on youtube that show how the rolls are manipulated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu7400hUA3A)

I know they run under a gambling license, but we don't know how rigged the machines are, even the Dice rolls for the Monopoly board could be a replay of a video and not a live roll.

That's why I start this topic, I want to know if the people of the community trust in those games.

When the fairness of the results become questionable the direct answer to such game should be no. But in reality players are trusting the sites which provides live room so they go for bets means they also have its place in the gambling world so it all depends on the players experience, if they are winning they won't blame anything or else they will move out of it just like any other gambling sites.

[aioc]

When the fairness of the results become questionable the direct answer to such game should be no. But in reality players are trusting the sites which provides live room so they go for bets means they also have its place in the gambling world so it all depends on the players experience, if they are winning they won't blame anything or else they will move out of it just like any other gambling sites.

If there's solid evidence that this game can be rigged then gamblers will not trust this game and will just be here out of curiosity or just want to have fun, but so far there are none and people still enjoy this because there is an excitement in playing a live game, it's like watching two fairly even fighters and the game is very even going through the last round, there is a big excitement especially when you have a big bet.

[Kakmakr]

If they rigged the machine, how do we know for sure?

If you search on youtube.

There has been some technical issues on their game and exposed how the game is rigged, is being runner by motor. The issue is keep spinning never stop on anything, so is actually can be controlled.
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Fun fact about these, even we all know they are rigged, people still play the game ~XD they want chasing season while the casino on section gives the player win ~XD.

Do you actually think the wheel are motorized? I think the wheel spins free.. but they have some kind of precision braking system that can brake the wheel to determine the outcome of the bet. (electromagnets)

I also feel the person spinning the wheel are not in control of that braking system, but rather that it is being controlled by some kind of sophisticated computer that are doing this remotely. (A number are punched in when they want a specific number to drop and then the computerized braking system, will stop on that number)  This is also not done on every bet, but rather when large bets are placed.

The Croupier does not even know about this system, because they are low paid employees and they will reveal the secrets, if they know about it.  

[madnessteat]

^

I don't trust such games either and I think that the probability of players being cheated is quite high. Of course I have no reliable proof of these words, but in my opinion it is very similar to the TV show "shopping on TV" in which people thanks to advertising and supposedly huge discounts buy cheap and unnecessary things at triple the price.