China's strategy on the Ukraine invasion war

[Mometaskers]

They're definitely watching closely how far the Western countries would be willing to help Ukraine since that could signal the response an invasion of Taiwan  would elicit. There's a small possibility I think that if NATO ever overcommit itself to helping Ukraine that China would take that as a chance to take Taiwan. After all, there's only so much military assets to spread around and if US is also fighting in Europe it might overreach itself. It's basically only the US, Japan and maybe Australia that are nearby to come to Taiwan's aid.

[DrBeer]

It seems that in this situation, it will be easier, more profitable and safer for China to get its "historical territories" beyond the Urals, which will not cause an international, negative reaction than to seize Taiwan. China is wise. China is not a country of degraded, stupid, thieves, fascists like Russia. China is wisdom, even in the form of the Communist Party in power. Moreover, China now has a great time to "contemplate" what is happening, and make a decision - to finish off the weak, to continue partnerships with the strong.

[STT]

Most mobile phones rely on the UK design but the production of the actual chip could be China Taiwan or South Korea possibly as ARM only does designs.   The normal CPU production is not suitable, too much heat and power is used even by laptop chips so alot of the world uses very similar designs in origin.     China will trade however profits them best overall globally, as the country lacks oil they do require that but it doesnt have to come from Russia exactly.   Perhaps the heat is too much at present for them to raise the trouble of breaking ranks with the rest of the world but its hard to believe these two companies do not continue long term trade.

[merchantofzeny]

I wonder if, despite the news about China refusing to sell Russia aircraft parts, that they'd still help secretly. If Russia loses this though or get heavily sanctioned, it is also to China's benefit since RUS would basically become a North Korea, cut off economically from the rest of the world and reduced to selling raw materials to China for cheap.

China will not secretly help Russia. The Chinese government will only do what is beneficial to it. And it is beneficial for China that Russia economically weakens and then there will be an opportunity to use its raw material base on the cheap. A weak Russia is sure to become a target for China in terms of its large territories. After all, China has long laid claim to a significant part of the territory of Siberia. Russia has introduced the rule of the strong into international politics and will itself suffer from it.

I think that's the end goal, to have Russia as another North Korea as many have already pointed out. I'm just thinking that prolonging the conflict could also play into China's hands. Russia would be bankrupt, the Western alliance would have to shell out money to reconstruct Ukraine, the EU have to deal with an immigrant crisis, etc.

[LUCKMCFLY]

What I think of all this is that China is playing a very strategic role, it is for them the opportunity to end the hegemony of the dollar and world governments, for the Chinese an alliance with the Russians seems much more effective than with the Americans for many reasons, among which the biggest is the economic one, and this will be a war of economic positions dollar and euro VS Yuan, it is something that China is taking advantage of because by suffocating Russia with economic sanctions its only ally will be China, and in Russia what is left over is gold, then the economic exchange will eventually take place in a balance of the strongest, I think that this is where an era will begin where the dollar will possibly suffer more economic declines (inflation) as is happening and for CHINA it will begin to emerge a stronger economy, even stronger than the European economy in general.

[TheCoinGrabber]

What I think of all this is that China is playing a very strategic role, it is for them the opportunity to end the hegemony of the dollar and world governments, for the Chinese an alliance with the Russians seems much more effective than with the Americans for many reasons, among which the biggest is the economic one, and this will be a war of economic positions dollar and euro VS Yuan, it is something that China is taking advantage of because by suffocating Russia with economic sanctions its only ally will be China, and in Russia what is left over is gold, then the economic exchange will eventually take place in a balance of the strongest, I think that this is where an era will begin where the dollar will possibly suffer more economic declines (inflation) as is happening and for CHINA it will begin to emerge a stronger economy, even stronger than the European economy in general.

Weren't these two floating the idea of going back to the gold standard just a few years ago? No matter what though, Russia is definitely getting the short end of the stick in that alliance since it'll eventually be forced to trade with only China (And perhaps maybe India? What's their stance?) and we can then expect Beijing to increasingly dictate the policy in Moscow, like it does with Pyongyang.

[asus09]

China has its own mission in helping Russia to carry out the invasion of Ukraine, China is a country that wants to have its own advantage, they will do everything possible to get an advantage, where he sees an advantage, he will try to approach, but if China does not benefit, already surely he will not care about all that, as China did with bitcoin, because the Chinese government cannot control bitcoin, so in 2017 China immediately banned bitcoin mining in his country,

[darewaller]

It seems that in this situation, it will be easier, more profitable and safer for China to get its "historical territories" beyond the Urals, which will not cause an international, negative reaction than to seize Taiwan. China is wise. China is not a country of degraded, stupid, thieves, fascists like Russia. China is wisdom, even in the form of the Communist Party in power. Moreover, China now has a great time to "contemplate" what is happening, and make a decision - to finish off the weak, to continue partnerships with the strong.

Even though I hate the CCP, and I have to say they are doing things against humanity and they are disgusting pigs. I have to say the smart part is correct, they are ruthless, they are cunning and they are smart which makes them even a bigger threat to all over the world.

They would not take Taiwan like how Russia is doing to Ukraine, they would take it in a single day. Why? Because the longer you take, the more sanctions and troubles are waiting for you, but if you take it in a single day, with no matter how many people dead, and how many places are destroyed, now it is about you going back, not about stopping you going further and that is easier to handle.

[DrBeer]

It seems that in this situation, it will be easier, more profitable and safer for China to get its "historical territories" beyond the Urals, which will not cause an international, negative reaction than to seize Taiwan. China is wise. China is not a country of degraded, stupid, thieves, fascists like Russia. China is wisdom, even in the form of the Communist Party in power. Moreover, China now has a great time to "contemplate" what is happening, and make a decision - to finish off the weak, to continue partnerships with the strong.

Even though I hate the CCP, and I have to say they are doing things against humanity and they are disgusting pigs. I have to say the smart part is correct, they are ruthless, they are cunning and they are smart which makes them even a bigger threat to all over the world.

They would not take Taiwan like how Russia is doing to Ukraine, they would take it in a single day. Why? Because the longer you take, the more sanctions and troubles are waiting for you, but if you take it in a single day, with no matter how many people dead, and how many places are destroyed, now it is about you going back, not about stopping you going further and that is easier to handle.

China is a rather specific country, you can’t argue with that. But, unlike the empty-headed Kremlin fascists, the Chinese government is pragmatic. The issue of Taiwan is not an easy one. I, on the example of my country, understanding what annexation or forcible "accession" is, is against such steps. Well, and most importantly, China probably will not take such steps as seizing Taiwan in one day, ignoring the victims. Taiwan has value not only as a territory, but also as a world technology center. And China will not bomb the residential and industrial areas of Taiwan like the terrorist troops of the Russians.

[Gyfts]

This is also why USA doesn't want to get involved to deeply in Ukraine, because their main concern these days is China and not Russia anymore.

I disagree. You are over-estimating China and under-estimating Russia. US doesn't want to get involved just like many other countries because it could start WW3 which is detrimental to the entire world.

Putin already kept nukes on standby which goes to show that he isn't bothered about the fact that his actions could start WW3.

Also the reason why the U.S. won't swap fighter jets with Poland so that their old ones can be used by Ukraine. The no fly zone is understandable, but if the West is already providing ammo and other military equipment, sending fighter jets doesn't seem so over the top. Putin is bluffing with his nuclear weapons IMO. Obviously not a gamble the West should take, but WW3 is a bit hyperbolic. As long as the U.S. is not killing Russian troops, they can support by proxy. It's essentially what's been the case with the Middle East for years, a proxy war between U.S. backed and Russian backed groups.

[Ararbermas]

China is surely playing safe as of the moment. I think they will join the conflict once US joined the party which could lead to total catastrophe. They will surely start at disputed territorial waters in South China sea and bully its way to have those unexplored oils there. They are watching the situation closely and once US sends troops, I think that would be the time that they will move as well.

agreed, as of the moment surely china is waiting for a sign in order for them to make move to join on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia or probably to invade Taiwan as well at the current situation since they have increased its military activity around Taiwan like what Russia did when they heard Ukraine wants to join the NATO.  So It will be a world world if that happens.

[Gozie51]

And China will not bomb the residential and industrial areas of Taiwan like the terrorist troops of the Russians.

I think the war is now taking another way and that should be a major concern now. If Russia is going to start bumping of children hospital instead of focusing on the military and government infrastructures, this is bad. The Ukraine president is raising alarm on this for ICC to see evidences of war crimes. Putin and his Army chiefs seem to be in denier but the pictures are there for the atrocities committed in this fight.

[Fortify]

How is China playing this?

a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when China invades Taiwan Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.

b) Keeping a distance from both sides, but not "the same distance" from both sides:

China criticized the Washington's response on Wednesday, saying the new US sanctions amounted to throwing "fuel on the fire" and were "irresponsible and immoral."

In a joint statement, Russia and China called on NATO to "ideologized approaches of the Cold War" and "respect the diversity of civilizational and cultural-historical patterns" in other countries.

As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength. Lots of lessons will be learnt on the handling of this crisis and I would not say that Europe and Democracies are playing a great role in terms of intimidation, yet at least is managing to stay reasonably united.

China are such a bunch of hypocrites and it is so clear for all to see. They say don't throw fuel on the fire? Well Russia has invaded a country in Europe - proceeding to murder civilians and level cities all over with zero justification. It is Russia that needs to learn to respect other cultures and civilizations instead of trying to impose their will by endless violence. There is no way that Russia comes out of this war successfully, even if they continue murdering innocent people their economy will be shattered for decades to come. The only way this ends now is with the downfall of Putin, hopefully he can be replaced by a democratic system which will take a long time to build. The Chinese are a bunch of cowards, simply looking to prop up another friendly authoritarian government but they'll both end up losing in the long run. Dictator Xi Jinping better be scared, this is the Chinese future.

[Uang_kartal]

developed countries such as the US and China, fortunately they have not taken part in this game, war is not an entertainment or a joke, and I hope they don't interfere in this. Because I hope the war will pass soon. There was info on China monitoring Taiwan and some corners in some areas, maybe China wants to fully help Russia but relations with other countries may not be vague considering the Chinese military is quite complete, I'm not mentioning who is wrong and right but this impact will extend to several elements of finance, economy, stocks, crypto etc.

[DrBeer]

This is also why USA doesn't want to get involved to deeply in Ukraine, because their main concern these days is China and not Russia anymore.

I disagree. You are over-estimating China and under-estimating Russia. US doesn't want to get involved just like many other countries because it could start WW3 which is detrimental to the entire world.

Putin already kept nukes on standby which goes to show that he isn't bothered about the fact that his actions could start WW3.

Also the reason why the U.S. won't swap fighter jets with Poland so that their old ones can be used by Ukraine. The no fly zone is understandable, but if the West is already providing ammo and other military equipment, sending fighter jets doesn't seem so over the top. Putin is bluffing with his nuclear weapons IMO. Obviously not a gamble the West should take, but WW3 is a bit hyperbolic. As long as the U.S. is not killing Russian troops, they can support by proxy. It's essentially what's been the case with the Middle East for years, a proxy war between U.S. backed and Russian backed groups.

There is a slightly different problem here:
1. Poland heard Russian statements that it was ready to use tactical nuclear weapons against those NATO countries that would join in helping Ukraine, and Poland was openly named as a strike point. And after Poland saw some defense impotence of NATO and Western countries, it decided not to take risks and decided to go "another way" and offered to transfer the MI-29 to a base in Germany. AND...
2. Germany, which has a large group of politicians bribed by the Kremlin for a long time, dances to the Kremlin's tune and of course says to Poland "no, we will not accept them." At the same time, Germany "expresses concern" to the public, well, in order to at least somehow hide support for rashism.

[macson]

developed countries such as the US and China, fortunately they have not taken part in this game, war is not an entertainment or a joke, and I hope they don't interfere in this. Because I hope the war will pass soon. There was info on China monitoring Taiwan and some corners in some areas, maybe China wants to fully help Russia but relations with other countries may not be vague considering the Chinese military is quite complete, I'm not mentioning who is wrong and right but this impact will extend to several elements of finance, economy, stocks, crypto etc.

You are wrong, China and the US have taken part in the war between Ukraine and Russia, China is Russia's best friend and according to reports, as long as economic sanctions hit Russia, China has fully assisted.  Since the beginning these two countries ^{(China and the US)} have always been involved in the affairs of many countries, if both were not involved then the world would be safe.

[MCVXYZ]

developed countries such as the US and China, fortunately they have not taken part in this game, war is not an entertainment or a joke, and I hope they don't interfere in this. Because I hope the war will pass soon. There was info on China monitoring Taiwan and some corners in some areas, maybe China wants to fully help Russia but relations with other countries may not be vague considering the Chinese military is quite complete, I'm not mentioning who is wrong and right but this impact will extend to several elements of finance, economy, stocks, crypto etc.

You are wrong, China and the US have taken part in the war between Ukraine and Russia, China is Russia's best friend and according to reports, as long as economic sanctions hit Russia, China has fully assisted.  Since the beginning these two countries ^{(China and the US)} have always been involved in the affairs of many countries, if both were not involved then the world would be safe.

I don't think so, China is not Russia's best friend, China's best friend is its economy, if they get disadvantages from friending with Russia they won't be together. Now Russia was refused by China to give them aircraft parts which is a sign that they are not ,,the best friends''. Also, I think China might play a positive mediating role in this war, who knows.

[tygeade]

Also the reason why the U.S. won't swap fighter jets with Poland so that their old ones can be used by Ukraine. The no fly zone is understandable, but if the West is already providing ammo and other military equipment, sending fighter jets doesn't seem so over the top. Putin is bluffing with his nuclear weapons IMO. Obviously not a gamble the West should take, but WW3 is a bit hyperbolic. As long as the U.S. is not killing Russian troops, they can support by proxy. It's essentially what's been the case with the Middle East for years, a proxy war between U.S. backed and Russian backed groups.

It is basically about the amount they are willing to spend plus the other side taking hold of some information. If you send someone regular AR weapons and ammunition then even if the other side gets it (probably already bought it from someone way back when it first came out) then there wouldn't be any dangers.

However, airplane is something that runs on tech, and if the other side gets their hands on that tech, they could get a better defence ready for something like that, and it would be scary. So, sending like F series war planes would be a risky move, because it would give Russians time to get one and then result with some tides turning for the USA.

[Argoo]

I wonder if, despite the news about China refusing to sell Russia aircraft parts, that they'd still help secretly. If Russia loses this though or get heavily sanctioned, it is also to China's benefit since RUS would basically become a North Korea, cut off economically from the rest of the world and reduced to selling raw materials to China for cheap.

China will not secretly help Russia. The Chinese government will only do what is beneficial to it. And it is beneficial for China that Russia economically weakens and then there will be an opportunity to use its raw material base on the cheap. A weak Russia is sure to become a target for China in terms of its large territories. After all, China has long laid claim to a significant part of the territory of Siberia. Russia has introduced the rule of the strong into international politics and will itself suffer from it.

It depends on what type of help you are talking about. China won't help with weapons because Russia doesn't need that. Russia doesn't need technology either. What Russia needs right now is trade agreements. And that's the point of china helping Russia. China has a big economy and market. The same thing applies to India. If Russia convince China and India to trade with them despite the sanction from the west then Russia could hold its economy. Trading with China and India won't be that profitable like the West, but it will sustain Russia's economy from collapsing.

Russia is now very quickly becoming a pariah country and will be similar to North Korea in this respect. China will certainly take advantage of this situation and the weakening of Russia's position. They say that Russia has already turned to China for help in military equipment, but China is unlikely to do this, since it itself will be afraid of sanctions and, on the other hand, China is interested in weakening Russia's position in the international arena. Strong sanctions against Russia may deter China from attacking Taiwan. At the same time, Taiwan is now studying Ukraine's experience in a successful war against Russia in order to repel possible Chinese aggression.

[henmark]

It is basically about the amount they are willing to spend plus the other side taking hold of some information. If you send someone regular AR weapons and ammunition then even if the other side gets it (probably already bought it from someone way back when it first came out) then there wouldn't be any dangers.

However, airplane is something that runs on tech, and if the other side gets their hands on that tech, they could get a better defence ready for something like that, and it would be scary. So, sending like F series war planes would be a risky move, because it would give Russians time to get one and then result with some tides turning for the USA.

This is correct and why USA doesn't send stuffs with tech in it. There are only a number of them, and even they do get caught and researched very well somehow as well, not easy, but can be done and that is why it keeps getting changed all the time. This is why drones are used right now. Those Bayraktar Drones that Ukraine uses costs like 4 million dollars or so, cheapest big weapon in the entire world, we are talking about like the missile you use to take one day costs more than the drone itself.

Hence, I believe that the war world will go towards that, we will see plenty more of those. And I mean like regular drone size things that will be managed all together all at once from a center and attack plenty of soldiers all at once.