Putin next steps and where it may fail spectacularly

[Marykeller]

This is the professional war called the "Proxy War " the Russian disguise in fighting Ukraine's destruction of lives and property, while in reality, the Russian troops wanted the Americans and allies to interfere in the war. But unfortunately, the west and its allies declare no war with Russia on Ukrainian soil. I guess we live for the day.

[Hiveonm]

This is a war. There is nothing but victory or defeat. All public opinion and all the truth and falsehood of the media are weapons that can be used. What is the truth behind you want to know? The truth depends on who is the winner, the winner will tell you, whether you believe it or not, this is the truth, history is so similar.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I am not in favor of Putin, but I think that despite his strategy of senseless deaths of Ukrainians, including children, which for me are crimes against humanity, there is great intelligence there, the bad thing is that it is used to cause pain , and bring disgrace to many people and families, but I have not yet seen Putin's mistake, his macabre plan has been disguising it under a motto of "I am defending myself against sanctions that are a declaration of war for the Russian people" under this scheme it is obvious that he is taking advantage of certain laws and diplomacy that cannot be ruled out, the only mistake is that he gets into a OTAN country and attacks them, and I think that will not happen.

[paxmao]

I am not in favor of Putin
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 I have not yet seen Putin's mistake
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Just for you:

- He expected the EU to act slowly and indecisively. Surprise.
- He expected insignificant sanctions. Surprise.
- He expected UKR to surrender without any serious fight. Surprise.
- He expected his army to be effective. Surprise.
- He expected NATO to do nothing (e.g. not supply weapons). Surprise.
- He expected people not to "notice" in his dominions (e.g. business as usual). Surprise.

And now there are some people even on the rigidly controlled state media stating that "the special operation" may actually turn into an Afghanistan.

Are you sure you do not see any miscalculation here?

[Argoo]

I am not in favor of Putin, but I think that despite his strategy of senseless deaths of Ukrainians, including children, which for me are crimes against humanity, there is great intelligence there, the bad thing is that it is used to cause pain , and bring disgrace to many people and families, but I have not yet seen Putin's mistake, his macabre plan has been disguising it under a motto of "I am defending myself against sanctions that are a declaration of war for the Russian people" under this scheme it is obvious that he is taking advantage of certain laws and diplomacy that cannot be ruled out, the only mistake is that he gets into a OTAN country and attacks them, and I think that will not happen.

Putin's main mistake is that he attacked Ukraine at all. He is already bogged down in this war and he cannot win this war. Moreover, Ukraine has already inflicted a serious defeat on Russian troops in terms of manpower and equipment, and together with harsh sanctions, this may well destroy Russia itself. If Putin is not killed in the near future from his own entourage, then he himself will die of brain cancer, this disease is already in his fourth stage. But the consequences of the war with Ukraine will be felt by Russians for many decades to come and for many generations to come. Ukraine will quickly recover with the help of the United States and European countries, and Russia will face poverty and a rollback of a hundred years ago in development.

[tippytoes]

I am not in favor of Putin, but I think that despite his strategy of senseless deaths of Ukrainians, including children, which for me are crimes against humanity, there is great intelligence there, the bad thing is that it is used to cause pain , and bring disgrace to many people and families, but I have not yet seen Putin's mistake, his macabre plan has been disguising it under a motto of "I am defending myself against sanctions that are a declaration of war for the Russian people" under this scheme it is obvious that he is taking advantage of certain laws and diplomacy that cannot be ruled out, the only mistake is that he gets into a OTAN country and attacks them, and I think that will not happen.

Putin's main mistake is that he attacked Ukraine at all. He is already bogged down in this war and he cannot win this war. Moreover, Ukraine has already inflicted a serious defeat on Russian troops in terms of manpower and equipment, and together with harsh sanctions, this may well destroy Russia itself. If Putin is not killed in the near future from his own entourage, then he himself will die of brain cancer, this disease is already in his fourth stage. But the consequences of the war with Ukraine will be felt by Russians for many decades to come and for many generations to come. Ukraine will quickly recover with the help of the United States and European countries, and Russia will face poverty and a rollback of a hundred years ago in development.

The mistake that I am seeing here is that Russian's soldiers, with Putin's orders, are bombing civilians, maternity hospitals, which is extremely against humanity. This is why people are identifying this as murderous act and people will not forget about this war. Even journalists are getting killed without a fight. They are breaking the laws of war. It won't be a surprise if Putin will lose his power if he will pursue more damaging methods towards Ukraine. The world is watching so they can't hide what they will do to the people of Ukraine. We are in this digital age where everything now can be recorded and send those images or videos to other parts of the world.

[molsewid]

The mistake that I am seeing here is that Russian's soldiers, with Putin's orders, are bombing civilians, maternity hospitals, which is extremely against humanity. This is why people are identifying this as murderous act and people will not forget about this war. Even journalists are getting killed without a fight. They are breaking the laws of war. It won't be a surprise if Putin will lose his power if he will pursue more damaging methods towards Ukraine. The world is watching so they can't hide what they will do to the people of Ukraine. We are in this digital age where everything now can be recorded and send those images or videos to other parts of the world.

Actually, at first, I do understand the threat that Putin feels for their country and for their territory because of the NATO alliance that courted Ukraine to join in the organization and that's why the Russian president decided to start the war against Ukraine. But now, I see the biggest mistake he has done, I am not sure if it's Putin's order but Russian soldiers' bombing civilian, and maternity hospitals how inhumane is this. The civilians are the most affected ones in war and I hope this war may be over now and not going to waste more life and innocent life.

[Argoo]

The mistake that I am seeing here is that Russian's soldiers, with Putin's orders, are bombing civilians, maternity hospitals, which is extremely against humanity. This is why people are identifying this as murderous act and people will not forget about this war. Even journalists are getting killed without a fight. They are breaking the laws of war. It won't be a surprise if Putin will lose his power if he will pursue more damaging methods towards Ukraine. The world is watching so they can't hide what they will do to the people of Ukraine. We are in this digital age where everything now can be recorded and send those images or videos to other parts of the world.

Actually, at first, I do understand the threat that Putin feels for their country and for their territory because of the NATO alliance that courted Ukraine to join in the organization and that's why the Russian president decided to start the war against Ukraine. But now, I see the biggest mistake he has done, I am not sure if it's Putin's order but Russian soldiers' bombing civilian, and maternity hospitals how inhumane is this. The civilians are the most affected ones in war and I hope this war may be over now and not going to waste more life and innocent life.

Putin knows that his troops are destroying residential buildings and deliberately shooting at the peaceful civilian population of Ukraine. The captured Russians directly say that they received an order to shoot at the civilian population, shoot at women and children. Now in the south of Ukraine there is a stubborn struggle for the city of Mariupol, and after unsuccessful attempts to capture this city with 400 thousand inhabitants, it is simply destroyed by Russian rockets and artillery. Agreements on the provision of "green corridors" do not work, since at the agreed time the Russians begin shelling the city. Ukrainian intelligence has clearly established that Putin personally instructed not to release the civilian population of Mariupol and not to allow humanitarian supplies into this city. Putin is a killer of the civilian population of Ukraine.

[Dunamisx]

My concern now is that Putin cannot back from his personal gamble and if this go guerrilla he may commit atrocities beyond what we think possible - going Stalin mode on Ukraine.

In my view, Ukraine cannot be defeated until the Ukrainians themselves decide that they have been defeated.

Possibly Putin thought of it as a shame calling off the war, but instead he keep placing further threat to lives and properties of Ukrainian and the international business operators, I still wonder why he's yet to realize that the world stands a backup for Ukraine.

[henmark]

Putin knows that his troops are destroying residential buildings and deliberately shooting at the peaceful civilian population of Ukraine. The captured Russians directly say that they received an order to shoot at the civilian population, shoot at women and children. Now in the south of Ukraine there is a stubborn struggle for the city of Mariupol, and after unsuccessful attempts to capture this city with 400 thousand inhabitants, it is simply destroyed by Russian rockets and artillery. Agreements on the provision of "green corridors" do not work, since at the agreed time the Russians begin shelling the city. Ukrainian intelligence has clearly established that Putin personally instructed not to release the civilian population of Mariupol and not to allow humanitarian supplies into this city. Putin is a killer of the civilian population of Ukraine.

That is all because he is 70 years old and he has gotten whatever he wanted until this age. When you have that kind of hubris, and that kind of power for 70 years, then you turn into a maniac whenever someone tells you that you can't get something.

I mean think about it this way, if Ukraine didn't put up this much resistance when it was crimes (there was still a war, but Russia was more successful) then Putin thinks how come he can't do it now? This is why I believe that we should not be surprised that some maniac at the top of a huge nation with nuclear powers and a big military can't really end up comprehending he is doing something bad, that is because he doesn't really see it as a bad thing, since he is a bad person as well, what he does seems normal to him.

[paxmao]

Putin knows that his troops are destroying residential buildings and deliberately shooting at the peaceful civilian population of Ukraine. The captured Russians directly say that they received an order to shoot at the civilian population, shoot at women and children. Now in the south of Ukraine there is a stubborn struggle for the city of Mariupol, and after unsuccessful attempts to capture this city with 400 thousand inhabitants, it is simply destroyed by Russian rockets and artillery. Agreements on the provision of "green corridors" do not work, since at the agreed time the Russians begin shelling the city. Ukrainian intelligence has clearly established that Putin personally instructed not to release the civilian population of Mariupol and not to allow humanitarian supplies into this city. Putin is a killer of the civilian population of Ukraine.

That is all because he is 70 years old and he has gotten whatever he wanted until this age. When you have that kind of hubris, and that kind of power for 70 years, then you turn into a maniac whenever someone tells you that you can't get something.

I mean think about it this way, if Ukraine didn't put up this much resistance when it was crimes (there was still a war, but Russia was more successful) then Putin thinks how come he can't do it now? This is why I believe that we should not be surprised that some maniac at the top of a huge nation with nuclear powers and a big military can't really end up comprehending he is doing something bad, that is because he doesn't really see it as a bad thing, since he is a bad person as well, what he does seems normal to him.

There is plenty to talk about when you are seeing a crony government, living on crony business, extorting their own countries into making them even richer. And it is that bunch of old men, not only in age but also in mentality and in the way they conceive their relation with other human beings, just the ones that send the young and poor people from the most remote regions of Putin's Russia to die without even telling them what they are doing and without any reasonable argument since their country, their lives, their families nor their culture is being threatened in any ways.

[Lanatsa]

Putin knows that his troops are destroying residential buildings and deliberately shooting at the peaceful civilian population of Ukraine. The captured Russians directly say that they received an order to shoot at the civilian population, shoot at women and children. Now in the south of Ukraine there is a stubborn struggle for the city of Mariupol, and after unsuccessful attempts to capture this city with 400 thousand inhabitants, it is simply destroyed by Russian rockets and artillery. Agreements on the provision of "green corridors" do not work, since at the agreed time the Russians begin shelling the city. Ukrainian intelligence has clearly established that Putin personally instructed not to release the civilian population of Mariupol and not to allow humanitarian supplies into this city. Putin is a killer of the civilian population of Ukraine.

That is all because he is 70 years old and he has gotten whatever he wanted until this age. When you have that kind of hubris, and that kind of power for 70 years, then you turn into a maniac whenever someone tells you that you can't get something.

I mean think about it this way, if Ukraine didn't put up this much resistance when it was crimes (there was still a war, but Russia was more successful) then Putin thinks how come he can't do it now? This is why I believe that we should not be surprised that some maniac at the top of a huge nation with nuclear powers and a big military can't really end up comprehending he is doing something bad, that is because he doesn't really see it as a bad thing, since he is a bad person as well, what he does seems normal to him.

There is plenty to talk about when you are seeing a crony government, living on crony business, extorting their own countries into making them even richer. And it is that bunch of old men, not only in age but also in mentality and in the way they conceive their relation with other human beings, just the ones that send the young and poor people from the most remote regions of Putin's Russia to die without even telling them what they are doing and without any reasonable argument since their country, their lives, their families nor their culture is being threatened in any ways.

As a citizen then you wont really be having any choice but to deal with it because there would be no other way except if you are flying to other country which does have better jurisdiction but if not then we are seeing

the possibilities which is happening as of this moment thats why its better to be wise and minding well on how to choose up countries leaders although it isnt an assurance but at least you arent
really that entrusting your country into someone who had that kind of fixed mindset or doesnt really put up some importance on his vicinity.

[paxmao]

Putin knows that his troops are destroying residential buildings and deliberately shooting at the peaceful civilian population of Ukraine. The captured Russians directly say that they received an order to shoot at the civilian population, shoot at women and children. Now in the south of Ukraine there is a stubborn struggle for the city of Mariupol, and after unsuccessful attempts to capture this city with 400 thousand inhabitants, it is simply destroyed by Russian rockets and artillery. Agreements on the provision of "green corridors" do not work, since at the agreed time the Russians begin shelling the city. Ukrainian intelligence has clearly established that Putin personally instructed not to release the civilian population of Mariupol and not to allow humanitarian supplies into this city. Putin is a killer of the civilian population of Ukraine.

That is all because he is 70 years old and he has gotten whatever he wanted until this age. When you have that kind of hubris, and that kind of power for 70 years, then you turn into a maniac whenever someone tells you that you can't get something.

I mean think about it this way, if Ukraine didn't put up this much resistance when it was crimes (there was still a war, but Russia was more successful) then Putin thinks how come he can't do it now? This is why I believe that we should not be surprised that some maniac at the top of a huge nation with nuclear powers and a big military can't really end up comprehending he is doing something bad, that is because he doesn't really see it as a bad thing, since he is a bad person as well, what he does seems normal to him.

There is plenty to talk about when you are seeing a crony government, living on crony business, extorting their own countries into making them even richer. And it is that bunch of old men, not only in age but also in mentality and in the way they conceive their relation with other human beings, just the ones that send the young and poor people from the most remote regions of Putin's Russia to die without even telling them what they are doing and without any reasonable argument since their country, their lives, their families nor their culture is being threatened in any ways.

As a citizen then you wont really be having any choice but to deal with it because there would be no other way except if you are flying to other country which does have better jurisdiction but if not then we are seeing

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Freedom is not free. French revolution, the fights with the British kings, the Russian revolution, the Chinesse revolution and many other cases did start with people deciding they wanted something else and I am seeing very little of that in Russia, although there is some.

One of the things they could start by doing is selling their tanks and vehicles (to me if possible) and do not die for Putin.

[Marykeller]

The war between Russia and Ukraine is now a rivalry of who can stand the pressure more. (The War Casualties in Ukraine or Russia sanctions seriously affecting Its economy)
Frankly, I can't predict who will give up first, but don't think it is Putin or president Zelenskyy cos both look more determined to carry on with the ongoing war.

[Sebas.tian]

The war between Russia and Ukraine is now a rivalry of who can stand the pressure more. (The War Casualties in Ukraine or Russia sanctions seriously affecting Its economy)
Frankly, I can't predict who will give up first, but don't think it is Putin or president Zelenskyy cos both look more determined to carry on with the ongoing war.

Based on what we are seeing right now, show that Putin will be the one to give up in this battle between Ukraine and Russian because many countries supported Ukraine President. The war between Russian and Ukraine is really shaking their economy which will take the both countries 5 years before they can have a good economy in their country. Russian government are fully ready to make peace with Ukraine government because they have achieved what they want from the war by proved to Ukraine government that they have all the weapons that can make them to take over their land and resources . 

[Suppetiae]

Based on what we are seeing right now, show that Putin will be the one to give up in this battle between Ukraine and Russian because many countries supported Ukraine President.

 I am not sure how easy it will be to get Putin to stop, but you are right, the winner is almost already decided at this point. Putin wanted to get in, take whatever he wants and get out. Ukraine showed that the whole is behind them, and that allowed them to be even more confident than 2014 war as well. The things Putin wanted Luhanks and Donetsk as well, they already took Crimea in 2014 basically. So just officially recognize those three cities as russian basically (independent in name) and remove it from Ukraines control and they would leave. However, Ukraine got so much success and help from the world is that not only they decline their requests, they even ask Russia to leave Crimea as well. Which shows that how badly Putin is losing right now and how much Ukraine gained in confidence.

[kryptqnick]

The Ukrainians might be holding off for a while, but I think the Russian forces and the flat earth bombing of major cities are going to break their spirits in the long run. Also, when all men younger than 60 years old are killed in the clashes, mostly women and young children will be left behind to go on with their lives. (What future is that?)

Also, Putin must win this war... for his own people to fear him and for him to stay in power. A defeat to the Ukrainians will put doubts in their minds and we might see him being removed from power.  

Now that the bombing has been going on for a while, I can safely say that you're wrong. I knew it before, but I think now the world is ready to see it as well. Ukrainian anthem's verses are 'we'll lay our body and soul for our freedom', and it's exactly how Ukrainians feel as a nation. Bombing the cities makes most people not desperate and willing to concede, but the opposite: angrier towards Russia, even more willing to fight back because on top of everything, there's a need to avenge those who were killed so cruelly and unfairly. Putin cannot break the Ukrainian spirit also for another reason: Ukrainians are NOT afraid of him, unlike the Western people. In Ukraine, he's been mostly called 'huilo' since 2014, which is hard to explain to a non-native speaker, but it's closest to 'little f*cker', basically. So it's someone weak, small, worthless. Ukraine is not afraid, and is ready to fight till the end. Conquering a country like this is pretty much impossible. Not to mention all the Western weaponry and money Ukraine's getting, and all the isolation and sanctions Russia is getting.

[Argoo]

Based on what we are seeing right now, show that Putin will be the one to give up in this battle between Ukraine and Russian because many countries supported Ukraine President.

 I am not sure how easy it will be to get Putin to stop, but you are right, the winner is almost already decided at this point. Putin wanted to get in, take whatever he wants and get out. Ukraine showed that the whole is behind them, and that allowed them to be even more confident than 2014 war as well. The things Putin wanted Luhanks and Donetsk as well, they already took Crimea in 2014 basically. So just officially recognize those three cities as russian basically (independent in name) and remove it from Ukraines control and they would leave. However, Ukraine got so much success and help from the world is that not only they decline their requests, they even ask Russia to leave Crimea as well. Which shows that how badly Putin is losing right now and how much Ukraine gained in confidence.

Putin launched a military invasion of Ukraine on February 24 not because Ukraine refused to recognize as independent parts of the former territories of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, as well as the Russian-occupied peninsula of Crimea. He wanted to seize the entire territory of Ukraine, eliminate the physical political leadership of the country and install former President Yanukovych, already convicted in Ukraine, as president of Ukraine. In the future, Ukraine should either be completely controlled by Russia or even be included in its composition. That is, for Ukraine, such plans by Putin meant a complete loss of statehood and sovereignty of the country, which is absolutely unacceptable. Therefore, the Ukrainians simply have no choice than to prevent Putin in his nonsense with arms in hand. Which they do successfully. Putin has actually lost this war with Ukraine. Realizing this, as well as the fact that they will have to leave, the Russian occupiers are now totally destroying the infrastructure of Ukraine and its population.

[Gyfts]

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I'm skeptical that Putin authorizes nuclear weapons but tactical nukes that are smaller in blast radius remain a possibility. Not a large possibility, but enough that would worry the West. There is no winning a nuclear war, and Putin is wise enough to recognize that.

Doesn't seem likely Putin is going to make any concessions that do not involve the initial list of demands (ie Ukraine remaining neutral, refusal to join NATO and such). I am expecting more civilian casualties before the nukes are a factor in the war. I'm sure you've noticed the number of bombs targeting civilian congregations, those aren't mistakes.

[savetheFORUM]

The war between Russia and Ukraine is now a rivalry of who can stand the pressure more. (The War Casualties in Ukraine or Russia sanctions seriously affecting Its economy)
Frankly, I can't predict who will give up first, but don't think it is Putin or president Zelenskyy cos both look more determined to carry on with the ongoing war.

If there is one of them that is under pressure right now that would be the Russia because they are in sanctions right now. There is no pressure from Ukraine even tho the threats are still there because they know that they are not alone fighting this war but all countries are on their side supporting them till the end. It wasn't the casualties in Ukraine that affects the economy but it was the sanctions given in Russia are.

The Ukraine economy can easily recover after the war is over but there would still be some effects that can be felt not only on them but also to other countries as well due to again the sanctions in Russia. Putin looks so strong but I think he is going to give up soon because if not then more surprises awaits with him.