[POV] War in Ukraine

[BADecker]

What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  
Just an idea...

Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
 

If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.

Yep. It has taken the Ukrainian people this long to realize what a mistake they made antagonizing Russia. If they could only rise up and remove their government officials who want war, stop fighting, kick the US out, and offer humble appeals from the heart to Moscow, they might have a touch of success finally.

Other than that, innocent people always get hurt or killed in wars. But if you look, you will find that there is a ton of evidence that Russia isn't harming civilians nearly as much as Ukrainian soldiers are. Or have you personally been traveling all over the Ukraine and Russia so you have seen for yourself?

It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.

[1miau]

What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  
Just an idea...

Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
 

If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.

The problem is, that your "different thinking" is based on lies. I don't know where you are getting them but your information is wrong. 

Russia could have good relations with Ukraine because Zelensky was really open for it, but instead, Putin decided to attack Ukraine and that's not how you get good relations. 
Putin has no business in Ukraine because it's an independent country and Ukraine has a right to self-determination. No need to receive orders from Moscow. Putin just needs to stop to be hostile to Ukraine.
But instead he's bombing civilians...

It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.

I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
Not your stupid misinformation from your couch! 

[BADecker]

What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  
Just an idea...

Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
 

If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.

The problem is, that your "different thinking" is based on lies. I don't know where you are getting them but your information is wrong.  - Your own statement says that you don't know where I get my info. But I post links with almost every post that I make... the serious ones, anyway. This shows us that you only care about your own ideas and don't even want to look at the other side. Either you are living in dreamland, or you are a propagandist.

Russia could have good relations with Ukraine because Zelensky was really open for it, but instead, Putin decided to attack Ukraine and that's not how you get good relations. 
Putin has no business in Ukraine because it's an independent country and Ukraine has a right to self-determination. No need to receive orders from Moscow. Putin just needs to stop to be hostile to Ukraine.
But instead he's bombing civilians... - For the last 8 years or longer Putin has been asking for talks to get the Ukrainians out of Russia, and to stop killing Russians. Neither Ukraine nor the US would talk. Time for talk is past.

It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.

I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  - You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?

Biden sends sophisticated rocket launchers to Ukraine while swearing he doesn’t want U.S., NATO to go to war with Russia.

Joe Biden's handlers continue to have him say very contradictory things about the ongoing war in Ukraine following Russia's late February invasion. For instance, Biden has repeatedly said he does not want to engage in conflict with Russia, but he nevertheless continues to try and provoke his counterpart, Vladimir Putin, … [Read More...]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html

[af_newbie]

What do you think about stopping your disgusting shitposts while Russian military is bombing Ukraininans daily?  
Just an idea...

Or does it feel too great for you from your safe basement to ridicule civilians suffering from Putin's war?
 

If nobody posted differently than your thinking, then you wouldn't get the pleasure of trying to take their freedom of speech away.

The problem is, that your "different thinking" is based on lies. I don't know where you are getting them but your information is wrong.  - Your own statement says that you don't know where I get my info. But I post links with almost every post that I make... the serious ones, anyway. This shows us that you only care about your own ideas and don't even want to look at the other side. Either you are living in dreamland, or you are a propagandist.

Russia could have good relations with Ukraine because Zelensky was really open for it, but instead, Putin decided to attack Ukraine and that's not how you get good relations. 
Putin has no business in Ukraine because it's an independent country and Ukraine has a right to self-determination. No need to receive orders from Moscow. Putin just needs to stop to be hostile to Ukraine.
But instead he's bombing civilians... - For the last 8 years or longer Putin has been asking for talks to get the Ukrainians out of Russia, and to stop killing Russians. Neither Ukraine nor the US would talk. Time for talk is past.

It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.

I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  - You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?

Biden sends sophisticated rocket launchers to Ukraine while swearing he doesn’t want U.S., NATO to go to war with Russia.

Joe Biden's handlers continue to have him say very contradictory things about the ongoing war in Ukraine following Russia's late February invasion. For instance, Biden has repeatedly said he does not want to engage in conflict with Russia, but he nevertheless continues to try and provoke his counterpart, Vladimir Putin, … [Read More...]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html

Every civilized country should provide Ukraine with ANY weapons to stop this Nazist cancer from spreading beyond Russia's border.

[1miau]

It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.

I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
Not your stupid misinformation from your couch! 

- You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html

Then, keep believing your fake"news" sites.
Or how about travelling to eastern Ukraine? It's totally safe there, it's just a special operation from Putin! 
All the videos from bombed Ukrainian cities are... just fake... 

[BADecker]

It all depends on whose media you want to believe, Russia's or the US's.

I beleive the various reports from Ukrainians commenting how it is in Ukraine themselves, like icopress.
Not your stupid misinformation from your couch!  

- You believe? Believing indicates religion. Nice religion you have there. Why don't you try getting some facts?

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-06-biden-sends-sophisticated-rocket-launchers-to-ukraine-while-swearing-he-doesnt-want-war-with-russia.html

Then, keep believing your fake"news" sites.
Or how about travelling to eastern Ukraine? It's totally safe there, it's just a special operation from Putin!  
All the videos from bombed Ukrainian cities are... just fake...  

Did you ever sit out on your lawn chair, only to have a pesky mosquito try to bite you? You scared it away dozens of times by waving your hand. But finally the only way you could get peace was by slapping it.

[paxmao]

@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other users have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

[tvbcof]

@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

  https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54

[1miau]

@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest. 

How about table gymnastics?

[paxmao]

@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

  https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54

You have many threads to express your views or you can open your own, yet a few here prefer to throw completely off-topic half-baked "views" here to annihilate any on-topic conversation.

[tvbcof]

@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

  https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54

You have many threads to express your views or you can open your own, yet a few here prefer to throw completely off-topic half-baked "views" here to annihilate any on-topic conversation.

Freedom of speech has been a tenant of this forum since it was part of bitcoin.org.  The manager(s) of the form have done pretty well at maintaining that principle of open dialog relative to most platforms.

If you are dedicated to censorship as a standard method to overcome the deficiencies inherent in spamming ridiculous and already-proven-false info, you are hardly alone in the world of 2022.  You could use any of the big corporate platforms since your messaging doesn't conflict with what they want circulated.  I would say that you could even start your own, but it's not likely true as it requires some degree of technical savvy.

The main issue that I have is that you want to both leach off the work of others here AND change the platform to be Twitter-lite or something.

[n0nce]

@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

Hey, that's right.  We're gonna getcha if you don't censor.  Look out!  Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest.  Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days.  It's the new way to cope.

  https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54

You have many threads to express your views or you can open your own, yet a few here prefer to throw completely off-topic half-baked "views" here to annihilate any on-topic conversation.

It's hilarious: the name of the thread literally starts with [POV]. For any Russians and tankies: this means [point of view]. It's icopress' point of view. His personal view, in text and pictures of how he and his close ones experience this war. The title also says that he answers questions; so if someone has questions to an eye-witness, they can ask them.

If they want to come up with conspiracy theories or otherwise discuss international politics, there are enough other threads for that. They can even open a new one where they express all their opinions 'without censorship' (or anyone complaining). We're not complaining because they are a fan of Vladimir Putin, but because it's inappropriate and off-topic in this thread.

@tvbcof and @BADecker, please just make a discussion thread about the issues you have, but not clog up this [POV] thread.
Since you like to bring up the forum's history of free speech; you surely also know that there are unoffical official rules, such as:

Forum rules

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
2. No off-topic posts.

[tvbcof]

@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.

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It's hilarious: the name of the thread literally starts with [POV]. For any Russians and tankies: this means [point of view]. It's icopress' point of view. His personal view, in text and pictures of how he and his close ones experience this war. The title also says that he answers questions; so if someone has questions to an eye-witness, they can ask them.

He did educate that cigerettes were good sellers in a war zone.  I mean, who knew?

If they want to come up with conspiracy theories or otherwise discuss international politics, there are enough other threads for that. They can even open a new one where they express all their opinions 'without censorship' (or anyone complaining). We're not complaining because they are a fan of Vladimir Putin, but because it's inappropriate and off-topic in this thread.

@tvbcof and @BADecker, please just make a discussion thread about the issues you have, but not clog up this [POV] thread.
Since you like to bring up the forum's history of free speech; you surely also know that there are unoffical official rules, such as:

Forum rules

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
2. No off-topic posts.

You forgot to include ~paxmao who's comment had little or nothing to do with Ukraine and got this branch going.  I guess maybe a generalize tip about when running a grift, make sure that you have monopoly control of the narrative.

As for the relevance of posts, not everyone has a flexible enough mind to recognize relationships to context.  Or the same interests.  Maybe not even you, chief.

[johhnyUA]

For the last 8 years or longer Putin has been asking for talks to get the Ukrainians out of Russia, and to stop killing Russians. Neither Ukraine nor the US would talk. Time for talk is past.

What russian territories was occupied by ukrainians by 2022? This some kind of a joke, you're going full mad.

Freedom of speech has been a tenant of this forum since it was part of bitcoin.org.  The manager(s) of the form have done pretty well at maintaining that principle of open dialog relative to most platforms.

No freedom of speech to nazi, sorry. The problem with this forum (as the whole libertarian ideology) is the impossibility to differ "free speech" from "hate speech". For constructive and peacefull society we don't need to afford a voice to those who's trying us to tell that rape/killing/stealing is normal. Or invading another country with a lot of civilian casualities.

Hate speech mostly turns into shit speech and this turns into the total unconstructive.  


P.S:
I will use this topic for my POW, since i don't see a reason to create separate one just for me. So tomorrow (or maybe later) i will publish my story here.

[LTU_btc]

What russian territories was occupied by ukrainians by 2022? This some kind of a joke, you're going full mad.

I don't really know why you're wasting your time arguing with this troll. It's pointless thing. He is always going against common sense. If you will say that sky is blue, he will tell that's red.

I will use this topic for my POW, since i don't see a reason to create separate one just for me. So tomorrow (or maybe later) i will publish my story here.

It will be interesting to read. Can't wait to see it!

[paxmao]

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P.S:
I will use this topic for my POW, since i don't see a reason to create separate one just for me. So tomorrow (or maybe later) i will publish my story here.

Cool! I am really interested. I guess that reading some crap from the usual suspects is the price to pay to have a platform open for uncensored real stories that are really worth our time.

[Betwrong]

OP, @icopress, brother, you are in Mykolaiv now, right? Can you update on the situation in the city? On twitter I see reports of long food lines



and heavy rocket strikes.



What's true and what's not?

It's much calmer here in Kyiv since recently, compared to the first 2 months of the war. We were attacked this Sunday by rockets launched from the Caspian Sea,





and our windows did shudder at 6 AM from the explosions because we live in the district that was attacked, but I feel like your situation is much more dire.

Please share with us.

[tvbcof]

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What's true and what's not?
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Best I can tell, Russia fires pretty specifically and accurately at targets which are, with high probability, involved in military and military logistics operations.  People living in Kiev seem fairly comfortable living in Kiev as long as they are not near military targets, and high profile Western politicians are comfortable strolling around the streets.  The more the citizenry of Kiev are used as human shields for logistics operations, the more danger they will be in, but one can hardly blame Russia for that.

Conversely, the Ukrainians seem happy to shell civilian targets specifically on their last trip out of one of the formerly Ukrainian areas.  Maybe it is just that the military targets are just to hard to reach and the ammunition is in the use-em-or-lose-em category so they exercise their characteristic vindictiveness against the civilian populations.  That contention is bolstered by the testimonies of the countless Ukrainian POWs and deserters.

The tactics of the Ukraine forces is echoed also by the civilians who actually do have a current 'POV' and have not bailed to Poland or whatever.

There is an inherent justice in this situation (unlike most of the operations engaged in by the West) in that the responsible side has the ability to target anywhere in the 'enemy' country at will, whereas the Jewkrainians are only allowed a limited range and a few shots from the titanium framed Western weapons before they break and have to be abandoned.  God is Great?

[johhnyUA]

Best I can tell, Russia fires pretty specifically and accurately

True, true



Russians tried to hit semi-military factory in Kyiv twice (!), first at 15th of March and second time at 28 of April. Both times they hit with pretty bad accuracy. This building was hit by russian missile insted of its main target at April.

So russian accuracy is pretty bad, i would even call it "awful". There a lot of targets that was hit 1-2-3 times in the past with a lot of rockets or missiles and they still function pretty good. For example, today news: "Pociйcький aгpecop aтaкyвaв paкeтaми Hoвoгpaд-Boлинcький нa Житoмиpщинi — пoвiдoмив гoлoвa Житoмиpcькoї OBA Biтaлiй Бyнeчкo. Зa йoгo cлoвaми, в нiч нa 9 чepвня pociйcькa paкeтa влyчилa в бaгaтoпoвepxiвкy:"Iнфopмaцiї пpo пocтpaждaлиx нeмaє, нa мicцi пpaцюють пpaвooxopoнцi""

Translating: Trying to hit some target, russians hit civilian building.

Image is highly blured, for obvious reasons (don't want to boost russian accuracy)



So, you can tell your coolstories to someone else.

[BADecker]

Best I can tell, Russia fires pretty specifically and accurately

True, true



Russians tried to hit semi-military factory in Kyiv twice (!), first at 15th of March and second time at 28 of April. Both times they hit with pretty bad accuracy. This building was hit by russian missile insted of its main target at April.

So russian accuracy is pretty bad, i would even call it "awful". There a lot of targets that was hit 1-2-3 times in the past with a lot of rockets or missiles and they still function pretty good. For example, today news: "Pociйcький aгpecop aтaкyвaв paкeтaми Hoвoгpaд-Boлинcький нa Житoмиpщинi — пoвiдoмив гoлoвa Житoмиpcькoї OBA Biтaлiй Бyнeчкo. Зa йoгo cлoвaми, в нiч нa 9 чepвня pociйcькa paкeтa влyчилa в бaгaтoпoвepxiвкy:"Iнфopмaцiї пpo пocтpaждaлиx нeмaє, нa мicцi пpaцюють пpaвooxopoнцi""

Translating: Trying to hit some target, russians hit civilian building.

Image is highly blured, for obvious reasons (don't want to boost russian accuracy)



So, you can tell your coolstories to someone else.

If we could only believe that the pictures are Ukrainian buildings, how many buildings there are, who took the pictures and why, and loads of other things about the whole war. Since much of the Russian point of view is being cencored by the media, this doesn't really tell us anything... even if it is a true Ukrainian building.

There is, however, one big thing the pictures tell us. They tell us the the 9/11 Twin Towers came down by demolition. Otherwise, these Ukrainian(?) buildings would have fallen long ago.