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Question: Which of the team do you think will win the Final
Argentina - 55 (69.6%)
France - 24 (30.4%)
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December 19, 2022, 06:50:30 PM
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36 years have passed since the 1986 Mexico World Cup. Argentina have gone to the World Cup with the aim of winning the title every time but have not succeeded. Even Lionel Messi played in four World Cups but did not win. The World Cup turned out to be a curse for Argentina. Hard work, perseverance and effort go in vain. Finally Argentina won the World Cup 2022.
It's 36-year waiting for Argentina and 16-year waiting for Messi since his debut in World Cup 2006. After two final matches, he won a first World Cup that can be his last one too.

It is unfair for Argentina if they did not win a final match in which they dominated it in almost first 80 minutes before two quick goals for France. The result for 120 minutes is equal, 3 - 3 but Argentina played better generally and they had two chances to win the match within 90 minutes and 120 minutes.

France managed to prolong the match to 120 minutes and penalty but after, they could not beat Argentina. The winning is fair for Argentina and Messi and even Mbappe had a hattrick, I don't consider his performance in the final is better than Messi performance.
Yes, Argentina deserved it and they won fair and square. But I think everyone should admire the success and effort of France too, even though I particularly doesn't like them too much. I mean I feel just neuter about them. Although they started to play big only after the 80th minute, they made the game very excited, Mbappe was great also(even though I personally don't like him so much too.). Messi is just Messi. I don't feel different just because he won World Cup, he was just one of the greatest athletes ever for any sport. I think he and Cristiano Ronalda is at the top with the greats like Michael Jordan, Muhammed Ali etc. What surprised me is the Argentina team. With the help of Di Maria's performance, they exceeded my expectations. I didn't expect them to score and almost dominate like that. They were not incredibly good but they managed to score 2 great goal against France in the final like that. That is impressive. I did not see that happening before the game. Amazing achievement for Argentina and what a world cup it was.
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December 19, 2022, 06:50:55 PM
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Messi has indicated that he would like to continue with the national team. There is not much left for him to gain after the world championship victory, but he will still feel that he cannot let his country down now.
I thought Messi will retire after winning the world cup, but he wants to continue playing with the national team, it is good for him and the Argentine national team, but no Argentine person would have felt let down if he retired, he has done it all, and if he wants a rest, it is because he deserves one.
Big disappointment especially for Germany, which I actually had seen as a title candidate.
Germany were not ready, next time they will leave politics and focus on the football game, they must have learnt from this and i feel they will do better in the upcoming euro tournament.

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December 19, 2022, 06:53:55 PM
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what a beautiful world cup final yesterday! perhaps the most beautiful of all time. I think the whole world expected Argentina to win! for Messi, to crown an immense career full of trophies! to make him a legend. As I've always said he deserves it! it was the only trophy that was missing from his collection! I feel sorry for Mbappè who has already won a world cup anyway, and who in all honesty will be the next best player we will admire for a long time, given that the careers of CR7 Messi and Neymar are about to end
Mbappe is a world-class player who might even outperform his hero Cristiano Ronaldo. Scoring three goals in a World Cup final against Messi and Argentina is an impressive performance, showing how talented he is and how angry he is for the world Cup but unfortunately Messi and Argentina take the trophy. I'm glad we have someone to replace the good memories Messi, Ronaldo, Nymer, and others gave us. Mbappe still managed to win the golden boot as the participant with the most goals during the competition.

Mbappe is actually the man of the match yesterday because it got him to the top of his careers whereby everyone watching have their attention fully concentrated on him with his versatile performance, i think this season will begin the unfolding of his best dispensational career era to be world kost recognized player after Messi, other players as well have make name and fame but i think that of Mbappe has just begun with this achievements from the world cup.

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December 19, 2022, 06:56:13 PM
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what a beautiful world cup final yesterday! perhaps the most beautiful of all time. I think the whole world expected Argentina to win! for Messi, to crown an immense career full of trophies!

I personally did not really expect that Argentina would win yesterday to be honest because for me, the French team just has a stroner squad and has better players than Argentina at almost every position. Yesterday made obvious again though that class and quality alone does not mean a lot. You also need passion and commitment. In the first half the French team showed a really really bad and also weird performance. They seemed like they were not motivated which should not be the case in a world cup final obviously. In the end Argentina definitely deserved to win.
I was expecting any of the team to win the match,  and the games was like something any of the team could win. It was tough to each other, if France had won I won't be surprise and am not also surprised by Argentina winning the game.
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December 19, 2022, 07:10:19 PM
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Argentina has certainly not played the most beautiful football. There is indeed a big blemish on the victory. Especially in the match against the Netherlands, the referee whistled heavily in favor of Argentina. Messi made a very clear handball and didn't even get a yellow card. I wonder what would have happened if every other player on the field had committed this action. I'm not saying it was fixed either, but the referee seemed very keen for Argentina to go through. The Polish referee whistled well in the final. Based on fighting spirit and mentality, Argentina is the rightful winner.

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December 19, 2022, 07:17:45 PM
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Argentina its coming home. You can follow the flight right now they are in Mauritania.

They coming in the national carrier of Argentina (Argentinian Airways) . Tomorrow they are gonna to be in the streets of Buenos Aires.

They arrive at the 01 AM of Argentina and going to sleep in the AFA base nearby to the airport.

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December 19, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
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Messi done and dusted. The jubilation of the Argentina and Messi fans are awesome. But there is a wrong notion on Messi that, he is the best player of football in all time. How Messi becomes the best in all time? How many Copa America cups has he won? How many Club side Cups has he won? How many world Cups has he won? Messi is not the best in all time. But he was good in football. Even this last world cup of 2022 at Qatar, mbappe was the one who took the Golden Boot not Messi. And that golden boot determine the best player of the tournament.
You can't measure his whole life merit by last class result.  I think a great player doesn't just determine the Golden Boot.  Rather, Bellandio decides who is the best.  There is no trophy that Lionel Messi has not won.  You can never measure up to Messi with Mbappe's Golden Boot.  Yes, but you can say that Mbappe is going to be the best in the world if Messi follows Cristiano Ronaldo.

You know why France supporters make irrational arguments, that is because they are not happy else no one in their right state of mind would want to compare Messi's historic performance to that of Mbape. I can understand certain comparisons of Mbape to Messi when Messi was still around his age, in fact, right now, he has done some things that are better than young Messi if their ages are compared, but it is ridiculous to says he has the same talent as Messi,  let show the greatest of all time some respect.

Mbappe is actually the man of the match yesterday because it got him to the top of his careers whereby everyone watching have their attention fully concentrated on him with his versatile performance, i think this season will begin the unfolding of his best dispensational career era to be world kost recognized player after Messi, other players as well have make name and fame but i think that of Mbappe has just begun with this achievements from the world cup.

Man of the match that couldn't win the match, ask yourself, if they should award the Man of the Match to Mbape, what would now should be given to Emiliano Martinez? Argentina goal keeper is the closest to that with his great penalty saves, but they politely handed it to Messi, which is appropriate given his overall performance.

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December 19, 2022, 07:29:22 PM
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Argentina its coming home. You can follow the flight right now they are in Mauritania.

They coming in the national carrier of Argentina (Argentinian Airways) . Tomorrow they are gonna to be in the streets of Buenos Aires.

They arrive at the 01 AM of Argentina and going to sleep in the AFA base nearby to the airport.

https://www.flightradar24.com/ARG1915/2e96e97d

I saw on the news that the Argentinian players will be greeted with great fanfare by the citizens and also the President of Argentina because yesterday was a very historic day for them after a long wait with the World Cup trophy

football in argentina is the same as in brazil, it is very much appreciated because these two countries have produced many world legendary players

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December 19, 2022, 07:36:13 PM
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I will always remember this finale as being among one of the bests. If we didn't see that comeback by France it was going to be a really boring ending for a World Cup. Because Argentina were literally in full control of the game unlike the expectations. France were like they weren't aware of playing in a final game in the biggest tournament in the world.

However it feels like Argentina will miss these times a lot from now on. Maybe they will need to wait another 30+ years to achieve another title who knows. Because after Messi's retiring from the national team we never know how they will react to this.

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December 19, 2022, 08:07:37 PM
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Mbape is phenomenal, but I'm not sure of his undeniable leadership in the future, as there is Haaland and club football is always more important than fleeting tournaments of national teams.
As for this final, it would be perfect if it weren't for the penalty shoot-out - winning the lottery is never the same as winning the regular game.
Haaland will be the main competitor for Mbappe in the future, he is playing as a goal machine that is ready to bulldoze his opponent. But Mbappe is still a head when compared to Haaland, after all he has become the top score of the 2022 world cup and has brought France to win the 2018 world cup trophy. A record that Haaland does not yet have, but indeed club football is more important there will be many talented young players who will be seen at there.

I would like to know how you determined it? Maybe Haaland had the opportunity to play at the World Cup (and in such a strong team as the French team) and performed worse than Mbappe? I didn't notice it, but I noticed that during the season Haaland performs better in the most competitive league than Mbappe in the farm league  Wink
The world cup is a place where players want to get their history, not just about popularity but records that will be remembered forever. If he's in the right place (French team) Haaland at world cup will might be better rather than Mbappe, but that's also "possible" he is still young even younger rather than Mbappe although it is only different one year, I also saw Haaland better in the most competitive league, he's a monster. The farm league club that you said has been in the UCL, and currently the top scorer is Mbappe with 7 goals, while Haaland is only 5 goals. Wink

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December 19, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
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I will always remember this finale as being among one of the bests. If we didn't see that comeback by France it was going to be a really boring ending for a World Cup. Because Argentina were literally in full control of the game unlike the expectations. France were like they weren't aware of playing in a final game in the biggest tournament in the world.

However it feels like Argentina will miss these times a lot from now on. Maybe they will need to wait another 30+ years to achieve another title who knows. Because after Messi's retiring from the national team we never know how they will react to this.

Probably the best final of the last World Cup I've seen... France really managed to come back incredibly well and even almost won that game... 3-3 is a very big score for a game like this... Probably no one expected so many goals to be scored... In general there were many surprises in this Cup, for example, that Germany again failed to get out of the group, or that Morocco reached the semi-finals... The final was no exception...

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December 19, 2022, 08:12:17 PM
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Messi done and dusted. The jubilation of the Argentina and Messi fans are awesome. But there is a wrong notion on Messi that, he is the best player of football in all time. How Messi becomes the best in all time? How many Copa America cups has he won? How many Club side Cups has he won? How many world Cups has he won? Messi is not the best in all time. But he was good in football. Even this last world cup of 2022 at Qatar, mbappe was the one who took the Golden Boot not Messi. And that golden boot determine the best player of the tournament.
You can't measure his whole life merit by last class result.  I think a great player doesn't just determine the Golden Boot.  Rather, Bellandio decides who is the best.  There is no trophy that Lionel Messi has not won.  You can never measure up to Messi with Mbappe's Golden Boot.  Yes, but you can say that Mbappe is going to be the best in the world if Messi follows Cristiano Ronaldo.

You know why France supporters make irrational arguments, that is because they are not happy else no one in their right state of mind would want to compare Messi's historic performance to that of Mbape. I can understand certain comparisons of Mbape to Messi when Messi was still around his age, in fact, right now, he has done some things that are better than young Messi if their ages are compared, but it is ridiculous to says he has the same talent as Messi,  let show the greatest of all time some respect.
Actually, what Lionel Messi is getting now has also been obtained by Kylian Mbappé, he was even able to do that at a very young age. However, the problem with the title is that the championship does not depend on the personal players, but rather on teamwork. In the Qatar world cup final, Kylian Mbappé did his best, he even scored a hat-trick, and was able to equalize the goals with Argentina. But what he did was in vain when the other players were unable to score in the extra time penalty.

The player will not be great if the other players will not help him to become great. No player gets top scorer without good assists from his colleagues. Lionel Messi's first penalty was due to the persistence and ingenuity of A. Di Maria. But A. Di Maria did not take it upon himself. If A. Di Maria was selfish in this matter, of course Lionel Messi only scored one goal. Likewise with K. Mbappe's penalty goal.

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I will always remember this finale as being among one of the bests. If we didn't see that comeback by France it was going to be a really boring ending for a World Cup. Because Argentina were literally in full control of the game unlike the expectations. France were like they weren't aware of playing in a final game in the biggest tournament in the world.

However it feels like Argentina will miss these times a lot from now on. Maybe they will need to wait another 30+ years to achieve another title who knows. Because after Messi's retiring from the national team we never know how they will react to this.

Probably the best final of the last World Cup I've seen... France really managed to come back incredibly well and even almost won that game... 3-3 is a very big score for a game like this... Probably no one expected so many goals to be scored... In general there were many surprises in this Cup, for example, that Germany again failed to get out of the group, or that Morocco reached the semi-finals... The final was no exception...
If the comparison is over the past few world cups, maybe this is indeed a very good final, especially for the previous world cup, it wasn't as hot as this time.
Both teams put in a very good performance and I appreciate that. Argentina and France were neither willing to budge for 90 + 30 extra time and this truly deserved a final.

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You don't have to play great football to become world champion either. There have been more countries in the past that didn't play great and still became champions. Just think of the boring final of 2010 in which Spain - the Netherlands did not get further than 0-0. Argentina may have had some luck with the referee, but the penalties it has had are all explicable. You even saw people selling their houses to be able to attend this tournament. A very big party in Argentina, nice to see. But now you will have to arrange another house.

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December 19, 2022, 08:43:13 PM
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I will always remember this finale as being among one of the bests. If we didn't see that comeback by France it was going to be a really boring ending for a World Cup. Because Argentina were literally in full control of the game unlike the expectations. France were like they weren't aware of playing in a final game in the biggest tournament in the world.

However it feels like Argentina will miss these times a lot from now on. Maybe they will need to wait another 30+ years to achieve another title who knows. Because after Messi's retiring from the national team we never know how they will react to this.

Probably the best final of the last World Cup I've seen... France really managed to come back incredibly well and even almost won that game... 3-3 is a very big score for a game like this... Probably no one expected so many goals to be scored... In general there were many surprises in this Cup, for example, that Germany again failed to get out of the group, or that Morocco reached the semi-finals... The final was no exception...
If the comparison is over the past few world cups, maybe this is indeed a very good final, especially for the previous world cup, it wasn't as hot as this time.
Both teams put in a very good performance and I appreciate that. Argentina and France were neither willing to budge for 90 + 30 extra time and this truly deserved a final.

Not just the Final.  I thought the entire tournament had a level of hype I'm not sure I've ever seen from soccer in the US before.  I had friends talking about it that I had no idea even knew the World Cup existed.  People with no knowledge of soccer at all (not far from me) weighing in on their opinion of who the GOAT is based on this one game...  I'm not sure how I feel about it, but as long as soccer games don't start taking over my basketball games on the TV, I'm good with it.  I really enjoyed the World Cup this year and am curious if next year will grow on this showing.

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December 19, 2022, 08:56:02 PM
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You don't have to play great football to become world champion either. There have been more countries in the past that didn't play great and still became champions. Just think of the boring final of 2010 in which Spain - the Netherlands did not get further than 0-0. Argentina may have had some luck with the referee, but the penalties it has had are all explicable. You even saw people selling their houses to be able to attend this tournament. A very big party in Argentina, nice to see. But now you will have to arrange another house.
Argentina has won the world last in 1986,it has been a very long time and yesterday will not be forgotten by the Argentines as Messi led them through in winning the cup. Penalty is a game of luck any side can win and this was an advantage to the Argentines since Mbappe keeps on equalising back the goals. Messi remains the most achieved player than Ronaldo in different competitions. France wanted to win the cup straight two times but they were stopped by Argentina in the penalty shoot out. This I the most interesting finals I have ever watched in which not teams are playing seriously to win and scored much goals.
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December 19, 2022, 09:10:39 PM
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Messi has indicated that he would like to continue with the national team. There is not much left for him to gain after the world championship victory, but he will still feel that he cannot let his country down now. There is much less pressure on Messi now that he has won the World Cup. Big disappointment especially for Germany, which I actually had seen as a title candidate. Argentina has also not had a very difficult route to the World Cup final. That has also been of great benefit. There is a small blemish on this team because they have had a lot of penalties.
Despite the difficult route , they are the one favorited by the bookies since the beginning ... that's just makes some of us thinks that the match been fixed lol , we knew it that even argentina lost to saudi arabia in the first match of the world cup and that time everyone starts ignoring the argentina favorite stats lol

Here they are coming home with the greatest trophy , the most prestigious trophy in the world.

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December 19, 2022, 09:13:58 PM
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oh my god what a match, i can only write now due to busy schedules but i haven't seen a world cup final like this in years.  I think looking back there are few finals as intense and full of goals as this, perhaps Italy-Germany.  This time Messi really deserved this cup.
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December 19, 2022, 09:17:17 PM
 #9979

I will always remember this finale as being among one of the bests. If we didn't see that comeback by France it was going to be a really boring ending for a World Cup. Because Argentina were literally in full control of the game unlike the expectations. France were like they weren't aware of playing in a final game in the biggest tournament in the world.

However it feels like Argentina will miss these times a lot from now on. Maybe they will need to wait another 30+ years to achieve another title who knows. Because after Messi retires from the national team we never know how they will react to this.

I think at my age this is the best finals I have witnessed, to be honest, watching the first half of the game it was as if the France team already made up their minds to let Argentina take the trophy home but that come back from France changed everything about the game and that made the finals a spectacular one. It was obvious that Argentina was in control of the game and at some point, most people were nervous because their expectations became shattered due to the poor performance of France but in the end, the game turned out to be the real final.


About the future of Argentina after this year's game, I think they may not take many years to achieve another title because as most of the aged players will be retiring from football some of the younger players who have not been noticed will be given the opportunity to joining the national team and their performance will determine the time they will need to win another title.

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December 19, 2022, 09:18:03 PM
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Actually, what Lionel Messi is getting now has also been obtained by Kylian Mbappé, he was even able to do that at a very young age. However, the problem with the title is that the championship does not depend on the personal players, but rather on teamwork. In the Qatar world cup final, Kylian Mbappé did his best, he even scored a hat-trick, and was able to equalize the goals with Argentina. But what he did was in vain when the other players were unable to score in the extra time penalty.

The player will not be great if the other players will not help him to become great. No player gets top scorer without good assists from his colleagues. Lionel Messi's first penalty was due to the persistence and ingenuity of A. Di Maria. But A. Di Maria did not take it upon himself. If A. Di Maria was selfish in this matter, of course Lionel Messi only scored one goal. Likewise with K. Mbappe's penalty goal.
There is no doubt about Kylian Mbappé ability and quality which he has done in this match but at the end Argentina won this match on penalties which is surely another chapter but performing while you are watched by more than a billion peoples around the world and having nearly 90,000 fans on ground is surely never been easy for any player French players done good job in regular time and in extra time but sadly on penalties they were unable to handle pressure and lost heir momentum which helps their opponents to win title after 36 years.

Argentinian win was surely throughout team spirit and their coach is also doing amazing stuff for the last few years as they won Copa América and now world cup which is surely the greatest stuff but Mbappé impact is now also going to have more in future as he is also one of the greatest in this game.

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