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June 17, 2022, 07:41:28 AM |
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Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.
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LodisMcguire
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June 17, 2022, 09:03:17 AM |
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Self-exclusion feature? That's just a formality to make a good reputation for the casino.It just like telling an addicted gambler to "stop gambilng" and fell to deaf ear.If they are serious,they can just banned the gambler account for like 1-2 weeks and said it's for the prevention of addiction.
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June 17, 2022, 09:19:22 AM |
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I am afraid that although there is such a possibility (global self exclusion) player addcited will always find a way to get around this limit (likewise betting with other account) or worse still by using sites of dubious reputation that do not use this type of approach .
I think bookmakers should have a certain approach too. Identify risk thresholds and offer / help players with this issue.
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June 17, 2022, 12:00:33 PM |
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I am afraid that although there is such a possibility (global self exclusion) player addcited will always find a way to get around this limit (likewise betting with other account) or worse still by using sites of dubious reputation that do not use this type of approach .
I think bookmakers should have a certain approach too. Identify risk thresholds and offer / help players with this issue.
Gambling operators are thriving on gambler's needs and want, no serious gamblers would want to be restricted on how they play and how many hours they should be allocated with their gambling sessions, even if this is universally implemented gamblers will find a way, and casinos will give them what they want so expect casinos that will cater to people who do not want to be restricted, casinos existence very much depends on the support of gamblers.
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June 17, 2022, 12:26:58 PM |
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Self-exclusion feature? That's just a formality to make a good reputation for the casino.It just like telling an addicted gambler to "stop gambilng" and fell to deaf ear.If they are serious,they can just banned the gambler account for like 1-2 weeks and said it's for the prevention of addiction.
But it could be a new program implemented in the casino. But as for the application, I don't think it will be easy because as you said, it will not make addicted gamblers stop as easy as they would like. But the question is how the casino will know if a gambler is addicted because if you look at the time spent, many other gamblers also spend a lot of time playing gambling. Maybe we're better off waiting for the latest updates from those who've tried using it so we can know what's going on.
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June 17, 2022, 01:51:03 PM |
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Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.
People are not robots that you can just feed something and he will just follow it, gambling has been attached to us since time immemorial it is part of our system, no system can change how we behave in gambling, even in countries where gambling is very strict, people will find a way to gamble, this global self-exclusion will not work, not because it is not effective, gamblers and the majority of casino operators will not support it, casinos are profit-driven they want to people to gamble as long as they want.
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June 17, 2022, 02:23:55 PM |
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Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.
People are not robots that you can just feed something and he will just follow it, gambling has been attached to us since time immemorial it is part of our system, no system can change how we behave in gambling, even in countries where gambling is very strict, people will find a way to gamble, this global self-exclusion will not work, not because it is not effective, gamblers and the majority of casino operators will not support it, casinos are profit-driven they want to people to gamble as long as they want. A simple tool or feature can't make a gambler stop from gambling. It can serve as a guide but it couldn't decide for the gambler. Gambling is everywhere and once a gambler is too addicted to it, he will always find ways to gamble. If there are casino sites that would limit him from playing, I'm sure that he will look for alternatives. The self-exclusion feature can remind him if he exceeds his limit but things will still depend on his own will.
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June 17, 2022, 02:36:35 PM |
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Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.
Some betting site provide their customers with limiting monthly betting amount, self-exclusion and some others ways they think there customers can limit and stay away from gambling, but they are just there and not effective. You will not find it as a surprise that such things can easily be changed and reversed, if it can not easily be changed, there are other betting platforms to use. We should not deceive ourselves, self-exclusion is not effective at all. Gambling problem comes from within how addicts are thinking and how they are risking money, so the solution also will only comes from within and when they realize that gambling is not helping as they thought. I mean within because stopping addiction should be from oneself but the influence of environment like family and therapist can help.
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June 17, 2022, 03:11:30 PM |
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A simple tool or feature can't make a gambler stop from gambling. It can serve as a guide but it couldn't decide for the gambler. Gambling is everywhere and once a gambler is too addicted to it, he will always find ways to gamble. If there are casino sites that would limit him from playing, I'm sure that he will look for alternatives. The self-exclusion feature can remind him if he exceeds his limit but things will still depend on his own will.
This is what dopamine does to your brain and your habits. It hardwires your brain into associating gambling with pleasure, hence you feel that 'satisfaction' whenever you find yourself gambling away your money (sometimes not even your money lol). Self-exclusion only restricts you from one place, but that does not guarantee that you're also excluded on other platforms. It is a step towards the right direction, but certainly not enough to help the gambler get back on his/her feet and turn their backs from gambling for good.
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June 17, 2022, 03:35:55 PM |
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An addict can self-exclude from a site, but then continue to use another gambling site. It is possible that self-exclusion can help to some extent though, but there are more to do in a way to restrict yourself from addictive gambling.it’s not very easy to control yourself from gambling, because there are many distractions to get through. It's similar to an addiction really and must be treated with care and recognising that this is a problem before it gets out of hand.
Yeah! it will result in something worse when they let it slide without looking for a cure the moment they felt it. But the addict himself won't really feel anything because of his delusion. that's why the people around him should consider helping him if they truly love him because prevention is always better than cure. Some addictions can be cured the moment they start to feel something strange for the first time and quickly seek some advice and consult others about their current situation and some others will turn into a worse situation due to a lack of consultants or they are a lone wolf and no one with them to talk to. This is the reason why if we play gambling make sure we is ready for the consequence we might face on this game because we know how can gambling get too much addiction to other people because of the satisfaction it gives for the entertainment at the same time is the satisfaction it gives to the money we get once we won the game. Always make sure you are still aware to the things you are doing. Dont hesitate to seek some assistance to your friends and family if you think you are already in there and hard to give up.
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June 17, 2022, 03:54:03 PM |
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Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.
Some betting site provide their customers with limiting monthly betting amount, self-exclusion and some others ways they think there customers can limit and stay away from gambling, but they are just there and not effective. You will not find it as a surprise that such things can easily be changed and reversed, if it can not easily be changed, there are other betting platforms to use. We should not deceive ourselves, self-exclusion is not effective at all. Gambling problem comes from within how addicts are thinking and how they are risking money, so the solution also will only comes from within and when they realize that gambling is not helping as they thought. I mean within because stopping addiction should be from oneself but the influence of environment like family and therapist can help. The sole responsibility is on the gambler to make a self determination to stop gambling and breaking away from that chain of addiction, because no matter what options or features to minimize gambling a casino come up with, the gambler can easily beat that by checking out to other sites if the present one limit their gambling involvement. But with self determination one can get out of this evils habits that sometime end people life if not checked.
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June 17, 2022, 03:55:32 PM |
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Self exclusion globally sounds like you are puttng yourself in prison. I know it will help but this would mean all the casino will have acess to same database of all casino online gamblers. I couldn't imagine how else this could this be done but this.
One reason why we go to Bitcoin Casino is to avoid KYC, this self exclusion will not apply for these people.
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June 17, 2022, 04:16:26 PM |
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Gambling has been an ancient practice and most gamblers see it as a mean of making income even the addicts get addicted by trying to recover from previous losses or make more profits, the demand for gambling can never stop but the fact is with a personal withdrawal mindset a gambler can set a limit to the involvement until their break away from the chain. I don't know how effective self-exclusion is but I can tell you it is not the most effective way to handle a gambling disorder.
People are not robots that you can just feed something and he will just follow it, gambling has been attached to us since time immemorial it is part of our system, no system can change how we behave in gambling, even in countries where gambling is very strict, people will find a way to gamble, this global self-exclusione ewill not work, not because it is not effective, gamblers and the majority of casino operators will not support it, casinos are profit-driven they want to people to gamble as long as they want. are you aware that some of misunderstood the language gamble or gambling. When you go deep about gambling you will know without time wasted that gambling is any thing you placed in exchange of another thing due to controversial argument or argument of two person making a findings. Casino gamble and other games are not the necessary form or where gambling originated, it's exactly what i said from above or point out is what you can be put as gambling initiators. All this things now is just the modern kinds of gambling
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June 17, 2022, 04:18:12 PM |
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Its really hard to stop gambling once you are heavy into it. I think to stop gambling you really need serious help to heal that and stop gambling. Self exclusion dosent mean anything you can always move onto the next sportsbook and bet there as well or casino
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June 17, 2022, 04:20:58 PM |
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Self exclusion globally sounds like you are puttng yourself in prison. I know it will help but this would mean all the casino will have acess to same database of all casino online gamblers. I couldn't imagine how else this could this be done but this.
One reason why we go to Bitcoin Casino is to avoid KYC, this self exclusion will not apply for these people.
Wait what?? Self exclusion doesn't require KYC unless you are accessing your account using unusual IP after the exclusion but simply it's just a temporary freeze of your account so you can't use it. I still don't experience this process but I don't see the need of requiring KYC or relevant procedure by just excluding the user account. Also what data sharing you are pertaining? I might missing something here?
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June 17, 2022, 06:03:03 PM |
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Self-exclusion feature? That's just a formality to make a good reputation for the casino.It just like telling an addicted gambler to "stop gambilng" and fell to deaf ear.If they are serious,they can just banned the gambler account for like 1-2 weeks and said it's for the prevention of addiction.
Yes providing the section for self exclusion isn't going to make any meaning because it is just for people to see it but they won't use it. Who will want to exclude himself after all, when it comes to an addict, no way. Banning also can only stop the addict from playing on the site and that is all that can happen. For an addict to see the behavior as the thing of the past, they need help from experts in guidian and counselling.
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June 17, 2022, 07:18:28 PM |
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Wait what?? Self exclusion doesn't require KYC unless you are accessing your account using unusual IP after the exclusion but simply it's just a temporary freeze of your account so you can't use it. I still don't experience this process but I don't see the need of requiring KYC or relevant procedure by just excluding the user account.
Also what data sharing you are pertaining? I might missing something here?
This will differ from country to country and how strict the government of a country wants to link gamblers and the sites they are using, but this is not effective yet even all over the world, just like the digital ID we learnt about, that can link same gambler on different betting sites in the same country together with just an ID, this can help for betting sites to work together to link same gambler on different gambling site together which can help if he wants to self exclude himself from gambling. But this is not effective and it is still just not just a matter of reality yet. I too do not yet see any KYC necessary about this, just the user betting account will be locked for time being, no matter how the registration is, even if it was just only email is used to register.
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June 17, 2022, 07:32:44 PM |
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Shitty initiative and people who come up with such things have too little intelligence. It's as smart as cutting off your head to fight dandruff. To make some crappy trick for sick people "effective" you want to implement global totalitarianism so that every person and every business (casino) is under control? This is crazy nonsense.
A global mechanism to exclude problem gamblers from casinos would only work with every casinos companies in the world from every kinds and categories working under a central authority/regulator who would have access to the informations of all the people betting in the world. That means the end of non-KYC, anonymous and decentralized casinos, prejudicing most crypto casinos and its enthusiasts. Self exclusion feature is a good thing and casinos must respect and help gamblers in difficult situation to stop playing, but at a global level it's just not feasible. What could exist is a third party service problem gamblers can hire to block the access of their devices to gambling platforms, like that feature from cable television, which allows customers to censor some channels, especially when there are children at home. Yes, it would be a normal approach when a gambling addicted player solves this problem himself, for example, by isolating himself from the Internet (in whole or in part). But when the problems of individual people begin to be solved at the expense of the deterioration of life for everyone else, I think this is nonsense. I wonder why such things come to people's minds and they seriously discuss them.
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June 17, 2022, 09:05:52 PM |
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Self-exclusion feature? That's just a formality to make a good reputation for the casino.It just like telling an addicted gambler to "stop gambilng" and fell to deaf ear.If they are serious,they can just banned the gambler account for like 1-2 weeks and said it's for the prevention of addiction.
But it could be a new program implemented in the casino. But as for the application, I don't think it will be easy because as you said, it will not make addicted gamblers stop as easy as they would like. But the question is how the casino will know if a gambler is addicted because if you look at the time spent, many other gamblers also spend a lot of time playing gambling. Maybe we're better off waiting for the latest updates from those who've tried using it so we can know what's going on. I assume that the point is not to make them stop completely, because you can't do that, even if you do that with one casino, they could go to another casino and that is why it is not just about making it completely impossible for them to gamble. It is just making it a bit harder for them to gamble the way they do. Like for example if you are addicted, many psychologists suggest changing your routine, saying things like "go for a walk" is not good because you are walking, it is good because you are doing something that you normally do not do, the walking part is just an example there, plus it is healthy so you know, win-win. Same here, if you gamble at one place the same way for years, and then can't, even if you switch up somewhere else, it would make it harder for you, hence maybe give you a small tiny chance of quitting all together.
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June 17, 2022, 09:53:29 PM |
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Self exclusion globally sounds like you are puttng yourself in prison. I know it will help but this would mean all the casino will have acess to same database of all casino online gamblers. I couldn't imagine how else this could this be done but this.
One reason why we go to Bitcoin Casino is to avoid KYC, this self exclusion will not apply for these people.
The fiat-based casinos may support this cause but I don't think the Cryptocurrency based casinos will, Cryptocurrency casinos are for decentralization and anonymity, they don't want to be restricted if one Cryptocurrency based casino will be implemented these gamblers can opt to transfer to other casinos that don't have this system, gamblers don't want restrictions they want to decide of their own and this self-exclusion should be optional.
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