Asian Cup 2023 Prediction and Discussion

[ringgo96]

Can't wait to see the 2023 Asian Cup match, although the match in the title is still quite long, but we as lovers of the football world certainly have their favorite team, especially our country that qualifies for the 2023 Asian Cup, as we saw in this year's match, a team that has high potential to win the 2023 Asian pika, namely Thailand because they are indeed very good in every match that takes place, but we just wait for the results of the group stage draw to make it easier to predict the most superior team later, and at this time the clarity of the hosts cannot be ascertained after the Tiongkok resigned due to the ferocity of the civid-19 pandemic there, so we just wait for developments for the future.

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[Sithara007]

Unfortunately, when everyone was happy with Indonesia's participation in the Asian Cup, Indonesia had to get a minimum of 5 years of sanctions. from AREMANIA (AREMA fans) said that supporters who go to the field only to ask for photos. I don't know the truth. However, the actions of the police and the committee to allow tear gas were a fatal mistake. Even the supporters had difficulty getting out, because the emergency doors were closed, while tear gas was fired indiscriminately.

WTF is this? If FIFA wants to impose some penalty on the Football Association of Indonesia, then it is fine. The amount can be used to compensate those who lost their lives during the disaster at Kanjuruhan stadium. But any action like suspending the national team from FIFA and AFC competitions would be unfair to the fans. Tragically among the dead, there were 35 children. And the club that is responsible has been fined just $16,000. It is around $125 for each death. And most of the reports indicated that heavy handed approach by the police was mainly responsible for this tragedy.

[masulum]

WTF is this? If FIFA wants to impose some penalty on the Football Association of Indonesia, then it is fine. The amount can be used to compensate those who lost their lives during the disaster at Kanjuruhan stadium. But any action like suspending the national team from FIFA and AFC competitions would be unfair to the fans. Tragically among the dead, there were 35 children. And the club that is responsible has been fined just $16,000. It is around $125 for each death. And most of the reports indicated that heavy handed approach by the police was mainly responsible for this tragedy.

This is a regulation from FIFA, the ban on playing is a consequence of the riots. If the riots didn't take so many victims, I'm sure Indonesia would not be penalized for playing in the official FIFA competitions and the federations under them. now all Indonesian schedules have changed, Indonesian players maybe become unemployed for 5 years if this news is made official. Before that happens, I pray that there will be no sanctions for the Indonesian national team

[Sithara007]

This is a regulation from FIFA, the ban on playing is a consequence of the riots. If the riots didn't take so many victims, I'm sure Indonesia would not be penalized for playing in the official FIFA competitions and the federations under them. now all Indonesian schedules have changed, Indonesian players maybe become unemployed for 5 years if this news is made official. Before that happens, I pray that there will be no sanctions for the Indonesian national team

There was a statement from the president (Joko Widodo) yesterday and it said that FIFA has offered help to address some of the long-standing issues especially with crowd management. Widodo had a telephone conversation with Gianni Infantino (FIFA president). So as of now, there is no hint that Indonesian Federation may face any disciplinary action. That said, I would like to see Arema FC suspended for at least a couple of years. It was their responsibility to stage the match without any issue.

[rahmad2nd]

@sithara007. yes, that's true, some of the new news regarding the Kanjuruhan tragedy seems like FIFA will not give disciplinary sanctions to the Indonesian soccer federation. however, so far there is no clarity regarding this. what is certain, the sanctions must be applied by PSSI to related parties. especially on the part of the club and supporters who often ignore the applicable regulations, this is not the first tragedy. however, this tragedy became the biggest history in our country.

I actually agree more if FIFA provides disciplinary sanctions by freezing the league for the next one or two years, this way the highest federation in Indonesia will correct every problem that occurs in Indonesian football.
Despite all that, I hope that this tragedy will not affect the Indonesian National Team towards the 2023 Asian Cup.

[masulum]

There was a statement from the president (Joko Widodo) yesterday and it said that FIFA has offered help to address some of the long-standing issues especially with crowd management. Widodo had a telephone conversation with Gianni Infantino (FIFA president). So as of now, there is no hint that Indonesian Federation may face any disciplinary action. That said, I would like to see Arema FC suspended for at least a couple of years. It was their responsibility to stage the match without any issue.

Weel, it would be good if there was no decision from FIFA to give a sanction to the Indonesian national team. Of course, all Indonesian people still look forward to Indonesia's participation in the World CupU-20 , and the Asian Cup. According to the latest report, the decision to organize the World Cup U-20 in Indonesia is still in doubt after this case. This means,there is still a possibility Indonesia will not be the host. Right now for m my self, if FIFA canceled Indonesia as Host, but Indonesia can still play in World Cup U-20, it is still more important than nothing.

[Sithara007]

Weel, it would be good if there was no decision from FIFA to give a sanction to the Indonesian national team. Of course, all Indonesian people still look forward to Indonesia's participation in the World CupU-20 , and the Asian Cup. According to the latest report, the decision to organize the World Cup U-20 in Indonesia is still in doubt after this case. This means,there is still a possibility Indonesia will not be the host. Right now for m my self, if FIFA canceled Indonesia as Host, but Indonesia can still play in World Cup U-20, it is still more important than nothing.

That will be disappointing for the Indonesian fans. But so far, I haven't heard anything about Indonesia losing the hosting rights. I won't be surprised if that happens, because this tragedy has shaken everyone and even fans outside Indonesia are concerned about the safety of organizing matches in that country. And another aspect is that Indonesia had automatic qualification to the tournament, since they were the hosts. In case the tournament gets shifted to somewhere else, what will happen to that?

[RealMalatesta]

There was a statement from the president (Joko Widodo) yesterday and it said that FIFA has offered help to address some of the long-standing issues especially with crowd management. Widodo had a telephone conversation with Gianni Infantino (FIFA president). So as of now, there is no hint that Indonesian Federation may face any disciplinary action. That said, I would like to see Arema FC suspended for at least a couple of years. It was their responsibility to stage the match without any issue.

Most chances no strict action going to happen against Indonesian Federation regrading this tragedy because here they alone not responsible here government is also involved as they fail to keep things in positive way now the best way is Indonesian Federation cooperate with FIFA for having better management and avoid things like this in the future.

Surely here no officials needs to check all proofs and bring main culprits in courts for having punishment even ban them for long time because this is their duty to have all things in control before start of the event and try strict with rules which are applied for any sporting event but here one more thing can happen now FIFA may change venue for U20 soccer world cup which is going to play in Indonesia in 2023.

[LUCKMCFLY]

CAF teams are always at a disadvantage, because many of their top players migrate to UEFA nations. AFC doesn't have any such disadvantage. The only reason why the AFC teams are not performing is because of lack of quality in domestic leagues. The best AFC players opt to participate in European leagues such as EPL, rather than playing at home. Two decades back Japan even tried the idea of importing a few players from Brazil and giving them the local citizenship. They thought that it will improve the quality of the local game. But didn't worked out that well.

Improving quality is long term project which need patience and investment even Japan and few more Asian countries now can afford this but still they are not doing things like this even India is currently stable and with the advantage of big market they can go ahead with this project which can give them good success, and they could be good in quality but cricket crazy nation is having nothing special for this all and fa behind I check their rating is almost nearly 90 which is surely matter of shame.
 
Bringing foreign players is surely never been good idea they need to go ahead with grass root specially good competitions in school level which can bring good prospect and quality players which will help them for increasing quality and better system still I am hopeful about few countries in Asia they can do better, and we can improve our quality but as already mentioned it's long term job.

The problem of the local associations I think that at the South American level it is very similar to the Asian one, such as the local Venezuelan soccer, it is a soccer that does not pay off when they go to the Libertadores Cup in Anerica, but in the case of the Asian Cup I have seen that even India performs and they do not go to the World Cup for me it is because of bad luck, of course for me the value is Japan, although I cannot deny, I feel Japanese hehehe, I always support them wherever they go to play, especially everything in the World Cups, I like his style of play, and I think that Japan lacks much taller players so that they can play the Germans more you than you, it's the only thing, but otherwise his technique is exquisite

There was a statement from the president (Joko Widodo) yesterday and it said that FIFA has offered help to address some of the long-standing issues especially with crowd management. Widodo had a telephone conversation with Gianni Infantino (FIFA president). So as of now, there is no hint that Indonesian Federation may face any disciplinary action. That said, I would like to see Arema FC suspended for at least a couple of years. It was their responsibility to stage the match without any issue.

Weel, it would be good if there was no decision from FIFA to give a sanction to the Indonesian national team. Of course, all Indonesian people still look forward to Indonesia's participation in the World CupU-20 , and the Asian Cup. According to the latest report, the decision to organize the World Cup U-20 in Indonesia is still in doubt after this case. This means,there is still a possibility Indonesia will not be the host. Right now for m my self, if FIFA canceled Indonesia as Host, but Indonesia can still play in World Cup U-20, it is still more important than nothing.

I think the same, maybe a small sanction is what can be presented for the national team at some point, but in fact that FIFA sanctions the celebration of the sub20 there seems to me too severe a punishment, I think that this is not the way out, that's all an event that should be taken advantage of and would bring very good results to Indonesia, both for its team and for its people, a tournament of this magnitude is always good because it brings tourism, joy, I don't think FIFA is going to take away that great show.

Well it's also a matter of waiting and seeing, everything is in their hands, but as I say, I don't think they will remove it.


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[panjul07]

There was a statement from the president (Joko Widodo) yesterday and it said that FIFA has offered help to address some of the long-standing issues especially with crowd management. Widodo had a telephone conversation with Gianni Infantino (FIFA president). So as of now, there is no hint that Indonesian Federation may face any disciplinary action. That said, I would like to see Arema FC suspended for at least a couple of years. It was their responsibility to stage the match without any issue.

Weel, it would be good if there was no decision from FIFA to give a sanction to the Indonesian national team. Of course, all Indonesian people still look forward to Indonesia's participation in the World CupU-20 , and the Asian Cup. According to the latest report, the decision to organize the World Cup U-20 in Indonesia is still in doubt after this case. This means,there is still a possibility Indonesia will not be the host. Right now for m my self, if FIFA canceled Indonesia as Host, but Indonesia can still play in World Cup U-20, it is still more important than nothing.

To be frank, I'm hoping that FIFA will give sanction to PSSI so it can be a lesson learned to them.
If there is no sanction, PSSI will consider this tragedy as unimportant thing and high likely there will be no improvement in the future.
The sanction I want to see is a sanction that affects the local league but does not affect the national team in the international competition.
As a fan of one local club in Indonesia, it will be sad if local league should be stopped/banned but if it can make the whole league better in the future then I'll support the ban.

[masulum]

To be frank, I'm hoping that FIFA will give sanction to PSSI so it can be a lesson learned to them.
If there is no sanction, PSSI will consider this tragedy as unimportant thing and high likely there will be no improvement in the future.
The sanction I want to see is a sanction that affects the local league but does not affect the national team in the international competition.
As a fan of one local club in Indonesia, it will be sad if local league should be stopped/banned but if it can make the whole league better in the future then I'll support the ban.

If sanctions are against the league, everyone will agree. because the Indonesian league needs a fundamental revolution. while for the national team, if FIFA still allows playing in official competitions, this iwill become the fait forgiveness and Indonesian supporter must be take and advantage and more dicipline as well as possible by supporters. let's wait for the final decision of FIFA against PSSI.  incident reportedly made Arema & Persebaya fan camps agree to peace. hopefully this will come true.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Japan is undoubtedly one of the best teams, and not only that, but in the World Cup I know they will do a good job, for now I think that the Asian teams have a great option, I don't know how the current Japanese team will be playing, but I only remember when Nakata was one of the most iconic players in Japan.

For now I have a lot of faith in this team, I don't know if you remember the 2002 World Cup they said that the team at that time had players in training who had seen the anime of super champions, so it was funny because many were waiting for plays from the series, but at that time the advertisements by Nike were very good, so the Japanese had many things to offer, now I imagine they have improved.

Do you mean Hidetoshi Nakata, if so. he had the status of the best Asian footballer in 1997, Nakata had played in the Serie A league, besides that there was Nakamura, Honda, actually there were many shining Japanese players.
Currently, several Japanese players are playing in several European clubs, Kyogo Furuhashi, Takumi Minamino, Daizen Maeda, and many others.
Although they don't play in very big clubs, but with experience playing in the European League, at least Japan has a big chance to win the 2023 Asian Cup.

If I'm not mistaken the 2002 World Cup, Japan - South Korea as the host.
But what made an impression on my memory at the world cup at that time was the South Korean player, Park Ji-sung, he played at Man United and Anh Jun-hwan who played in Serie A. they were able to take their squad to the semi-finals, although decorated with several controversy.

Exactly, of course yes, of course at that time I don't know if you remember that there were always very interesting commercials and one of them was that of NIKE Soccer, where they made the so-called and controversial Cage, where Nakata came out with the team that Totti was with, where they were the ones who beat the Brazilians of the moment, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Denilson, that was for me the best era of those players, both from Japan and for Brazil, and of course how to forget when in Kore-Japan they won Korea to Italy, where time later it was learned that the referee was drunk and then they put him in jail because he caused a traffic accident, it was crazy, I know and remember those legendary players well.

There was a statement from the president (Joko Widodo) yesterday and it said that FIFA has offered help to address some of the long-standing issues especially with crowd management. Widodo had a telephone conversation with Gianni Infantino (FIFA president). So as of now, there is no hint that Indonesian Federation may face any disciplinary action. That said, I would like to see Arema FC suspended for at least a couple of years. It was their responsibility to stage the match without any issue.

Weel, it would be good if there was no decision from FIFA to give a sanction to the Indonesian national team. Of course, all Indonesian people still look forward to Indonesia's participation in the World CupU-20 , and the Asian Cup. According to the latest report, the decision to organize the World Cup U-20 in Indonesia is still in doubt after this case. This means,there is still a possibility Indonesia will not be the host. Right now for m my self, if FIFA canceled Indonesia as Host, but Indonesia can still play in World Cup U-20, it is still more important than nothing.

To be frank, I'm hoping that FIFA will give sanction to PSSI so it can be a lesson learned to them.
If there is no sanction, PSSI will consider this tragedy as unimportant thing and high likely there will be no improvement in the future.
The sanction I want to see is a sanction that affects the local league but does not affect the national team in the international competition.
As a fan of one local club in Indonesia, it will be sad if local league should be stopped/banned but if it can make the whole league better in the future then I'll support the ban.

Well seeing things from a different point of view and as a football fan, it is not something that everyone would accept, if we look at it, there are riots and very ugly things that happen in many parts of the world, especially in South America, there are there are always some fights between the players and the fans, the fans sometimes can't even see each other, because they are even capable of killing each other, that's how it happens in several Departments of Colombia (Department = State), in Brazil there are always riots and a lot of disorder when they are very relevant, especially the derby, and if there are always sanctions, but they should not be so severe.

If sanctions are against the league, everyone will agree. because the Indonesian league needs a fundamental revolution. while for the national team, if FIFA still allows playing in official competitions, this iwill become the fait forgiveness and Indonesian supporter must be take and advantage and more dicipline as well as possible by supporters. let's wait for the final decision of FIFA against PSSI.  incident reportedly made Arema & Persebaya fan camps agree to peace. hopefully this will come true.

And this is one of the best paths, "The Peace", because in this way many learn that if there is another type of disturbance like this, the sanction can be very decisive, and especially at certain times I have seen that football in Indonesia has been growing a lot, they have been close to going to a world cup, if this league gets stronger I would like to see Indonesia in the next world cup, it is something that I know that all Indonesians dream and desire, so it is something that should never be cut off from the illusion, On the contrary, football should be encouraged to continue growing and raising its level, perhaps the next World Cup will be one of the most famous of all time.

[yohananaomi]

Can't wait to see the 2023 Asian Cup match, although the match in the title is still quite long, but we as lovers of the football world certainly have their favorite team, especially our country that qualifies for the 2023 Asian Cup, as we saw in this year's match, a team that has high potential to win the 2023 Asian pika, namely Thailand because they are indeed very good in every match that takes place, but we just wait for the results of the group stage draw to make it easier to predict the most superior team later, and at this time the clarity of the hosts cannot be ascertained after the Tiongkok resigned due to the ferocity of the civid-19 pandemic there, so we just wait for developments for the future.

it is clear that every country that sends its team to the match really hopes to get the best results and of course that is very reasonable, so that if you look at the existing polls, it seems that many choose Indonesia because it must be admitted that football fans are the most popular sport and its fans a huge amount.

but I agree with you that Thailand has the potential to achieve the best, because they must be recognized who are very ready for this. Thailand is very sustainable in looking for new players to become the main players in their country.
but of course it will not be easy to achieve it because we have to admit that the team of the Middle East countries (almost all the group winners) is also very potential, and the ex-Russian state of course, following the East Asian countries.

Of course this is highly anticipated by Asian football fans and obviously by diehard fans from participating countries. although it is still a long time, of course, other events will make a trial before joining the main event.

[n0ne]

Just a month passed after the 2022 Asia Cup Finals. By now itself the prediction for the 2023 Asia Cup have begun. Most of us could've never seen matches of majority of the teams added to the 2023 list. New teams won't perform that good, but with cricket match scenario changes in no time. As most users mentioned, Arab countries will have players from countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will make them strong compared to other teams.

[doomloop]

it is clear that every country that sends its team to the match really hopes to get the best results and of course that is very reasonable, so that if you look at the existing polls, it seems that many choose Indonesia because it must be admitted that football fans are the most popular sport and its fans a huge amount.

but I agree with you that Thailand has the potential to achieve the best, because they must be recognized who are very ready for this. Thailand is very sustainable in looking for new players to become the main players in their country.
but of course it will not be easy to achieve it because we have to admit that the team of the Middle East countries (almost all the group winners) is also very potential, and the ex-Russian state of course, following the East Asian countries.

Of course this is highly anticipated by Asian football fans and obviously by diehard fans from participating countries. although it is still a long time, of course, other events will make a trial before joining the main event.

Quality of all teams which are coming into this event is at their best with Japan, Korea and Australia having one of the best domestic set up, and they are investing good money for increasing quality same happening in the Middle East where we have no system like we have in other countries but still they are giving their best for this game and their domestic set up is also on his best with too many foreigners are also involved as players and other staff members which is clearly giving their dedication for this game.

But Right now, few regions are suffering badly like SAARC and ASEAN as they are not having stuff like other regions so quality difference is surely going to have impact but as few countries are now taking interest and putting things to improve quality hopefully in next few years things could be good, and we will have positive change, but it's not easy with long way to go for this all change.

[masulum]

but I agree with you that Thailand has the potential to achieve the best, because they must be recognized who are very ready for this. Thailand is very sustainable in looking for new players to become the main players in their country.
but of course it will not be easy to achieve it because we have to admit that the team of the Middle East countries (almost all the group winners) is also very potential, and the ex-Russian state of course, following the East Asian countries.

Indeed for Thailand they are show us if they are growing at the ASEAN level in the last decade. However, even though they are getting stronger in ASEAN, to be honest, I'm not sure about their performance at Asian competitions level. Thailand will lose to compete with the top 5 teams from ASIA such as South Korea, Japan, China, Australia and Saudi Arabia.

[yohananaomi]

it is clear that every country that sends its team to the match really hopes to get the best results and of course that is very reasonable, so that if you look at the existing polls, it seems that many choose Indonesia because it must be admitted that football fans are the most popular sport and its fans a huge amount.

but I agree with you that Thailand has the potential to achieve the best, because they must be recognized who are very ready for this. Thailand is very sustainable in looking for new players to become the main players in their country.
but of course it will not be easy to achieve it because we have to admit that the team of the Middle East countries (almost all the group winners) is also very potential, and the ex-Russian state of course, following the East Asian countries.

Of course this is highly anticipated by Asian football fans and obviously by diehard fans from participating countries. although it is still a long time, of course, other events will make a trial before joining the main event.

Quality of all teams which are coming into this event is at their best with Japan, Korea and Australia having one of the best domestic set up, and they are investing good money for increasing quality same happening in the Middle East where we have no system like we have in other countries but still they are giving their best for this game and their domestic set up is also on his best with too many foreigners are also involved as players and other staff members which is clearly giving their dedication for this game.

But Right now, few regions are suffering badly like SAARC and ASEAN as they are not having stuff like other regions so quality difference is surely going to have impact but as few countries are now taking interest and putting things to improve quality hopefully in next few years things could be good, and we will have positive change, but it's not easy with long way to go for this all change.

I agree with you, my friend, that a country that does regulate its domestic matches very well can certainly get its own advantages.
Football clearly needs continuity, in order to get very solid and good players, both individually and as a team, which must be done in a match event that is continuously done well.

I really highlight East Asian countries such as Japan and Korea, they are indeed very good regulations in conducting their domestic matches, clearly supported by large companies that are willing to provide support to help become sponsors, which is clearly needed.
However, Middle Eastern countries are also supported by facilities that cannot be underestimated, because they are known for being countries with excellent economic capabilities so that they can provide good support.

SAARC you may be right, but in ASEAN we must admit that Thailand and Vietnam are quite good in coaching because they will always be able to show regeneration from their young players who are always prepared to perform well. indeed it is very evident as Thailand is very unquestionably capable of delivering something good.
although it must be admitted that ASEAN is clearly not perfect in outline, but one day it will be able to appear different.

[usekevin]

Actually some countries are not well at football,the game is based on a skill and not on country.India is biggest population country,next to china.But the game of China is far better then India.Many small country like Argentina made a game far better then India.By the Asian Cup,it enable the small countries to improve their game.But the sad part is,they lost the game.Losing the game is not an important one,making some sounds before a die is important.Before the knock out,all team should play their good game.

[Sithara007]

Actually some countries are not well at football,the game is based on a skill and not on country.India is biggest population country,next to china.But the game of China is far better then India.Many small country like Argentina made a game far better then India.By the Asian Cup,it enable the small countries to improve their game.But the sad part is,they lost the game.Losing the game is not an important one,making some sounds before a die is important.Before the knock out,all team should play their good game.

If China was so good in football, then they would have qualified for the FIFA World Cup in Qatar. I can agree that India is even worse, as they have never qualified for such international tournaments. In the end, the population doesn't matter. Argentina is a country with around 3% of the population as India. But their football skills are unparalleled. Same with Brazil and some of the other south American countries as well. I have a feeling that Asians are not made for football. A few, such as Japan and South Korea have managed to qualify this time, but none of them are being considered as favorites to win the trophy.

[SirLancelot]

If China was so good in football, then they would have qualified for the FIFA World Cup in Qatar. I can agree that India is even worse, as they have never qualified for such international tournaments. In the end, the population doesn't matter. Argentina is a country with around 3% of the population as India. But their football skills are unparalleled. Same with Brazil and some of the other south American countries as well. I have a feeling that Asians are not made for football. A few, such as Japan and South Korea have managed to qualify this time, but none of them are being considered as favorites to win the trophy.

In Asia, we have never been ideal environment for sports specially in SAARC region which is having too many conflicts and other issues regarding their divisions and economical they are also having not good position just because of this they are far behind in soccer as well even recently India done good job and with the increase of numbers in coming world cup I have feeling they could be no able to qualify for this event because this need long term strategy which is not working in India due to their political issues if they are able to settle things and have better domestic set up then surely they can achieve better results.

Surely they could be at the top with their few advantages but as I already mention things are no easy as we are talking here it's difficult task to achieve, but we can expect India could be in better shape until 2034 or 2038 World Cups.