Influence of "Paid" Streamers on Online gambling.....

[mu_enrico]

I haven't watched slots stream for months since it affects my gambling activities. Fake money or not, watching them playing slots triggers me to play!
Last year I watched stream a lot, played a lot, and busted a lot more lol.
Anyway, it's easy for casinos to set up an account that has a play money balance that can't be withdrawn. They can also set up a balance with minimum turnover, for example, $10,000 with 60x turnover, just like FJ's Bonus Apetit but bigger.

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

[abel1337]

Most paid streamers are those who has a decent number of followers so there is a big chance to attract more players to come to the casino.
The effect of paid streamers in online gambling is absolutely good for the casino as it can be considered to be one of the most effective strategy to attract more players.

I'd say for about 5k or such will be enough for a streamer to be paid for the views, I mean if the streamer want to do some kind of bounty stuff to whoever shares on every required media platform will get paid. That's more than enough to get some traction or traffic in the gambling space, and as far as I can tell this will be the case even in the near decade since new streamers are flocking in the industry.

Aside from the initial payment, there are referrals that Iv'e seen streamers and youtubers are sharing on their platforms. I'm sure they have a commision on their links and It's possible that their commision is much larger than the normal person referal reward. Streamers now are now aware of the spread of casino promotion deals and we might don't know what are happening in those deals like if a streamer is only allowed to promote only a single casino with a better deal since there are many casino now fighting between them to have a bigger follower count streamers.

[Hispo]

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They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

On the other hand, it would be so refreshing to see a streamer actually having a bad streak and losing some money (whether fake or not), back in the day when I encountered those guys I was fed up realizing they only streamed winnings after winnings, after winnings... I get it, the partnership is about to get people in so they can earn more money and to get this done it is ideal to display an example of success, but after a while one realizes how fake all starts to look like.

If I found a streamer ending their session with a negative balance that would give off such an aura of authenticity that would make me to stick to their channel / future streams.
That is just my personal impression, of course.

[Fortify]

I haven't watched slots stream for months since it affects my gambling activities. Fake money or not, watching them playing slots triggers me to play!
Last year I watched stream a lot, played a lot, and busted a lot more lol.
Anyway, it's easy for casinos to set up an account that has a play money balance that can't be withdrawn. They can also set up a balance with minimum turnover, for example, $10,000 with 60x turnover, just like FJ's Bonus Apetit but bigger.

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

This is a sad reality and a good reason that Twitch/other streaming sites should not necessarily intermingle this over 18 content within their normal gaming streams. It costs people a lot of money and can be a particularly cruel addiction in that sense. Throwing in the fact that it is very easy to stage or engineer this by the casinos themselves, it leads to a bad outcome. You can bet at least a few of the streamers covering such games have agreements with the gambling companies, yet fail to declare such conflicts of interests and may even be breaking the law for that reason in some countries - you are meant to declare paid advertising. It's a bit of a murky area and takes a lot of resources to investigate.

[bekti3]

Well it's clear when they have an agreement there must be arrangements for the account they have so that no matter how fast they burn their balance it will still come back again and again and even tend to be more.
Because if they burn but lose and run out then it's clear who will want to come there because there are still many naive people who come to one site just because they see other people getting a big enough profit.

The luck of streamers or other gamblers will not be much different but streamers have other advantages that other gamblers do not have. The luck is that they cooperate with the casino in providing an entertaining spectacle and maybe the spectacle will tempt the audience to follow the streamer to play gambling. The casino will compensate for the loss earned by the streamer because the casino needs promotion from the streamer so that they will help the streamer to provide an interesting spectacle. In the end greedy people who want to win will follow that streamer and use their money to gamble mindlessly to keep their money.

If you look at every streamer that I watch especially on several online sites in my country, actually if you look at their luck far beyond ordinary people who gamble.
But this is a natural thing because it is impossible when people promote something but in their promotion it is vilified. Therefore there must be something behind them because for me it is very illogical if every time they do live streaming they continue to profit with a very large nominal.

[Quidat]

Well it's clear when they have an agreement there must be arrangements for the account they have so that no matter how fast they burn their balance it will still come back again and again and even tend to be more.
Because if they burn but lose and run out then it's clear who will want to come there because there are still many naive people who come to one site just because they see other people getting a big enough profit.

The luck of streamers or other gamblers will not be much different but streamers have other advantages that other gamblers do not have. The luck is that they cooperate with the casino in providing an entertaining spectacle and maybe the spectacle will tempt the audience to follow the streamer to play gambling. The casino will compensate for the loss earned by the streamer because the casino needs promotion from the streamer so that they will help the streamer to provide an interesting spectacle. In the end greedy people who want to win will follow that streamer and use their money to gamble mindlessly to keep their money.

If you look at every streamer that I watch especially on several online sites in my country, actually if you look at their luck far beyond ordinary people who gamble.
But this is a natural thing because it is impossible when people promote something but in their promotion it is vilified. Therefore there must be something behind them because for me it is very illogical if every time they do live streaming they continue to profit with a very large nominal.

So you do speak that casino odds or chances had been increased? Could be possible but it would really be a huge risk of the casino once it had been proven out but we know that this is
something which cant really be determined or could really be proven since most of the time they would really be claiming that  those are normal gameplays.It is just turning out that the
winnings shown is bigger once they do make a hit because they've been using up sponsored money and make hell of a huge bets and when it hits then it would be showing those interesting amounts.
Cant really be that avoided if you are really that presuming that they are lucky but if you do count off on how many times they lost then it would really be just that
into those normal activity but its really be patched up by those huge hit wins.

[FanEagle]

I do not think that it would be a wise idea to put all the blame on streamers if viewers end up trying to do the same thing and lose all their money. I mean imagine it this way, there are way too many things online that people could watch which is dangerous to your health or well being if you repeat it yourself but at the end of the day you don't or at least people with brain would consider the risks first before doing it.

So, if you watch a streamer gamble, and you do not consider the risks and how you could lose money and just jump in because "that streamer hit x5000! maybe I will too and be rich!!!" and do that, then it is your fault and not the streamers.

[chaser15]

On the other hand, it would be so refreshing to see a streamer actually having a bad streak and losing some money (whether fake or not), back in the day when I encountered those guys I was fed up realizing they only streamed winnings after winnings, after winnings... I get it, the partnership is about to get people in so they can earn more money and to get this done it is ideal to display an example of success, but after a while one realizes how fake all starts to look like.

If I found a streamer ending their session with a negative balance that would give off such an aura of authenticity that would make me to stick to their channel / future streams.
That is just my personal impression, of course.

I think most streamers are losing on their session. It's just that they have lots of credits to continue their session for long because it was for content.

Because of that big bankroll, they were able to win big on that specific session during the live stream. Streamers, even using their own money or being funded, will still face the same slots RTP or any casino games house-edge, that was applied for all users. Nothing special to them contrary to what others think that the site will adjust the chances of winning at those streamers.

Regardless of that content result, it's still in the hands of the viewers to be influenced by those streamers they are supporting.

[gagux123]

It's been a long time since I watched any gambling streams.
I believe, because it is a somewhat delicate subject, it deserves attention before taking any kind of premeditated attitude.
Sometimes I keep thinking to myself, is it really possible to put all the blame on the streamers for inducing some gamblers to repeat their attitudes? Of course, not everyone will want to repeat this kind of attitude from some streaming gambler, but this is something to reflect on...
I do my best not to follow other people's examples (for example some streamers/gamblers) because the tactic he uses may work for him and not for me and I also find it more advantageous to focus on sports betting, which I stay and find more comfortable to gamble/bet.

[serjent05]

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

Streaming is a profitable venture for those who have successfully established an audience so no one will ever abandon it as long as it pays  .  And as you said, I am also fond of watching slots streamer because I can see the mechanics of the game and it saves me from wasting money trying to figure out how the bonus win look or spending time spining with casino fake money trying to trigger a scatter bonus just to watch how the bonus round works.

Streamers did give information on the gameplay of their featured slots.

[Kakmakr]

People are also saying that "Paid" streamers are basically "sweeping" all money that are being played by others on those specific slots. (You often hear people saying... "I cannot play XXX Slot now, because streamer YYY won big on that Slot) - If I am correct... all funds that are played in a casino goes into one "Pot" .....and wins are paid out of that... or in the case of a Jackpot system.. into a "Pot" at the 3rd party service provider. (Is this true or false...any experts out there that can clear this up?)

I'm no expert in online slot game mechanics, but this "sweeping" theory doesn't make any sense to me.
If the "sweeping" theory is true, slots games are simply following a sequence or an algorithm, where winning the jackpot is predetermined.
This makes the game rigged. The legit slot games are supposed to be 100% luck based and winning the jackpot must be completely random.
I don't think that paid streamers have any influence other than bringing new gamblers into online casinos.
This is some kind of weird myth, that is being shared by low IQ gamblers I guess.
Anyway, I don't play slots games, becasue:
1.They are boring.
2.I have the feeling that they are rigged and designed to make you lose your money(which is the basic purpose of all gambling games, right?)
I don't mind losing my money while having some fun playing games, but slots games aren't fun to play.

Wow, calling people that actually think for themselves ... "low IQ gamblers" are a bit harsh.. right?

In any way... let's say for argument that 1 "Paid" Streamer are the only one playing a specific Slot.... who's money will he or she be winning? (obviously the money that he or she deposited)

Now, what happens when you add 100 more players into the mix.... and they play for a short while, until their money runs out? In theory, the person playing the longest time.... will eventually hit the big win, because the RTP determine that. So, a streamer with huge pockets can play until they hit that win...thus "sweeping" the money that other people played...when they stopped early.  

[madnessteat]

There are big streamers who makes million over a month just streaming daily on Twitch.  Gambling streams are usually sponsored by gambling platforms,  especially Stake have made contracts with all big streamers on slot section of Twitch.  It is paid advertisement and sort of business for both parties but the crazy amounts won by streamers are not fully paid, IMHO.

I think that we will never know the real terms of contracts between streamers and gaming sites because most likely streamers sign a nondisclosure agreement. So they can tell us anything, but not the fact that it is true. Personally I think that 80-90% of streamers play for money gambling platform and take no more than 10-15% of the big winnings, as they get money for their work separately.

[fiulpro]

Streamers loosing money Gambling are not really loosing, they are still getting paid for by the various gambling companies thus they usually try and validate their losses + profits on screen but most of the times it's just a muse and thus these people usually try and attract the audience but we cannot rely on their stats provided and therefore what we can do is filter it out, use it for the amusement, like : think about Kanye West he is defo a gambler but he is not paying shit when he is winning/ loosing on a social media because he is indirectly publicizing them thus I do think more or so let's not follow streamers blindly.

[tomos81]

There are big streamers who makes million over a month just streaming daily on Twitch.  Gambling streams are usually sponsored by gambling platforms,  especially Stake have made contracts with all big streamers on slot section of Twitch.  It is paid advertisement and sort of business for both parties but the crazy amounts won by streamers are not fully paid, IMHO.

I think that we will never know the real terms of contracts between streamers and gaming sites because most likely streamers sign a nondisclosure agreement. So they can tell us anything, but not the fact that it is true. Personally I think that 80-90% of streamers play for money gambling platform and take no more than 10-15% of the big winnings, as they get money for their work separately.

I also think that there are steamers and gambling platforms Although these are usually a risk for gamblers but not all suffer from them. Because any gambling side has gambler but in it if you face loss but hope for double profit In this case the steamer has no role so you don't identify the brain if the blame is placed on the steamer. It is normal to take a 10 to 20 percent steamer cut if you win. 

[Reid]

People are also saying that "Paid" streamers are basically "sweeping" all money that are being played by others on those specific slots. (You often hear people saying... "I cannot play XXX Slot now, because streamer YYY won big on that Slot) - If I am correct... all funds that are played in a casino goes into one "Pot" .....and wins are paid out of that... or in the case of a Jackpot system.. into a "Pot" at the 3rd party service provider. (Is this true or false...any experts out there that can clear this up?)

I didn't realize that until now. I always think about this "paid streamers" having a fake game and was playing like in a different time and space. Like another platform just for them. If that is the case, then yes this will be unfair to those who are spending too much money just to hit the jackpot. A big one.

On the flip side of the coin..... Some people believe that "Paid" streamers are actually "feeding" or "funding" other people's large wins. They can only "sweep" other peoples funds, when they win.... if someone else win before them... the opposite happens... right?

Let's discuss.... and enjoy this thread please. 

It's also possible. That money on the pot won't grow that high but because they are feeding it, the jackpot grows higher than when normal gamblers contributing for it. There's both good and bad side of what they do. Perhaps, avoiding where they play is the best solution.

[Betwrong]

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People are also saying that "Paid" streamers are basically "sweeping" all money that are being played by others on those specific slots. (You often hear people saying... "I cannot play XXX Slot now, because streamer YYY won big on that Slot)

Of course, it's an absolute gibberish. The way online slots work, it doesn't matter how much was won in the previous day/hour, you can still win a lot right away. And if no one was winning big for several days in a row, you can play for another several days in row, lose all your money, without winning anything big in the process.

- If I am correct... all funds that are played in a casino goes into one "Pot" .....and wins are paid out of that... or in the case of a Jackpot system.. into a "Pot" at the 3rd party service provider. (Is this true or false...any experts out there that can clear this up?)

In the ideal(for casino) world it would be like that. And they are actually getting very close to this "ideal world" when having millions of players on their platform. But there are cases, especially when a casino is newly opened and have not that many users, when more money won than lost there, and the casino in question must pay out from their own funds.

[qwertyup23]

There are big streamers who makes million over a month just streaming daily on Twitch.  Gambling streams are usually sponsored by gambling platforms,  especially Stake have made contracts with all big streamers on slot section of Twitch.  It is paid advertisement and sort of business for both parties but the crazy amounts won by streamers are not fully paid, IMHO.

Like what I also previously mentioned, some of these paid streamers own a stake on the gambling website. They intentionally advertise a certain casino that they are of which partners thereof. This is somehow potentially deceiving especially that they can provide as much funds as possible and rig the rates to their advantage.

Though this might be the case, there are some streamers online who intentionally stream gambling websites and provide honest feedback from it. I just hope that Twitch does something about it given that majority of its audience are underaged adults.

[KTChampions]

I haven't watched slots stream for months since it affects my gambling activities. Fake money or not, watching them playing slots triggers me to play!
Last year I watched stream a lot, played a lot, and busted a lot more lol.
Anyway, it's easy for casinos to set up an account that has a play money balance that can't be withdrawn. They can also set up a balance with minimum turnover, for example, $10,000 with 60x turnover, just like FJ's Bonus Apetit but bigger.

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

I wonder how you have so much energy in regards to slots? I watch streams and see that even steamers are clearly tired of the same slots (although there are supposedly many types of them, but in reality everything is about the same) and they, sighing from fatigue, move from slot to slot losing fake money. How does this content draw you into the game?  Or do you watch some special streams?

[Viscore]

I haven't watched slots stream for months since it affects my gambling activities. Fake money or not, watching them playing slots triggers me to play!
Last year I watched stream a lot, played a lot, and busted a lot more lol.
Anyway, it's easy for casinos to set up an account that has a play money balance that can't be withdrawn. They can also set up a balance with minimum turnover, for example, $10,000 with 60x turnover, just like FJ's Bonus Apetit but bigger.

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

Streaming has its only main purpose, to trigger our interest and lets us play. That is why if you are fond of watching streamers, whether paid or not, eventually you will be tempted to give it a try and play to attract profits. As for paid streamers that showcase huge wins and bonuses, i think that's part of the gambling strategies as no one would go into your site and gamble if there are no stimulus that will arouse your gambling interest within you.

[robelneo]

I haven't watched slots stream for months since it affects my gambling activities. Fake money or not, watching them playing slots triggers me to play!
Last year I watched stream a lot, played a lot, and busted a lot more lol.
Anyway, it's easy for casinos to set up an account that has a play money balance that can't be withdrawn. They can also set up a balance with minimum turnover, for example, $10,000 with 60x turnover, just like FJ's Bonus Apetit but bigger.

They are here to entertain, if they stated the money is from such a partnership, there's nothing wrong with it IMO. People can agree and disagree, but streamers are here to stay.

Streaming has its only main purpose, to trigger our interest and lets us play. That is why if you are fond of watching streamers, whether paid or not, eventually you will be tempted to give it a try and play to attract profits. As for paid streamers that showcase huge wins and bonuses, i think that's part of the gambling strategies as no one would go into your site and gamble if there are no stimulus that will arouse your gambling interest within you.

That's true streamers are good at generating our interests they master the art of convincing people to play. they are always excited about the project they are streaming whether its a casino or a new game the first time I watched a stream about a play-to-earn project I was convinced to invest and play but unfortunately the project did not take off, it's not really on the streamer it's on the project or about yourself making the right decision, but they are good at influencing people to try what they are promoting or streaming.