We are all Hodlonaut

[o_e_l_e_o]

Not much of interest so far this morning it seems. After Hodlonaut's opening statement yesterday, it's been CSW's turn today. From the various sources I've been reading, it's just been the usual CSW trash like trying to justify not signing a message but signing in private for select individuals. Interesting that none of these individuals are being called as witnesses. I wonder why?

How could CSW say such a thing is it that he doesn't understand the basic properties of the bitcoin blockchain?

His lack of basic understanding is long standing and well documented. Another fine example was when he did not know addresses contain a checksum.

[aoluain]

How could CSW say such a thing is it that he doesn't understand the basic properties of the bitcoin blockchain?

It's simple: the judge also doesn't understand them, so he feels safe to tell all kind of weak lies.
Isn't this all he has done on court until now.. with some notable success too?

Thats the thing, it can become so technical that the Judges can become boggled with
the understanding of the finer workings of Bitcoin.

I dont like how the waters are being muddied with words from hodlonauts unrelated tweets like:

@bitnorbert

Now starts the attack on Hodlonaut's integrity. Quotes tweets about 9/11, Russia, Nazi Germany etc

@bitnorbert

Hodlonaut also encouraged others to be "rabid and toxic" towards Craig[/quote

[NotATether]

Thats the thing, it can become so technical that the Judges can become boggled with
the understanding of the finer workings of Bitcoin.

I dont like how the waters are being muddied with words from hodlonauts unrelated tweets like:

@bitnorbert

Now starts the attack on Hodlonaut's integrity. Quotes tweets about 9/11, Russia, Nazi Germany etc

@bitnorbert

Hodlonaut also encouraged others to be "rabid and toxic" towards Craig

Our protagonists should change the course of the topic, by telling the judge that these messages are unrelated to the claims of ad hominem against CSW! Someone should get in touch with them.

[FatFork]

Our protagonists should change the course of the topic, by telling the judge that these messages are unrelated to the claims of ad hominem against CSW! Someone should get in touch with them.

There is no chance of this affecting anything going on in the courtroom. We can only hope that the lawyers know what they are doing.

[NotATether]

Our protagonists should change the course of the topic, by telling the judge that these messages are unrelated to the claims of ad hominem against CSW! Someone should get in touch with them.

There is no chance of this affecting anything going on in the courtroom. We can only hope that the lawyers know what they are doing.

Right. We are like bystanders observing a "special military operation" unfolding.

[Lucius]

Interesting that none of these individuals are being called as witnesses. I wonder why?

All the so-called witnesses suddenly fall ill during the trial, which is also the case with uncle Lynam son who was supposed to testify. Speaking of witnesses, do we know if anyone will testify in favor of Hodlonaut?

[DooMAD]

Interesting that none of these individuals are being called as witnesses. I wonder why?

All the so-called witnesses suddenly fall ill during the trial

Makes sense.  Feigning illness is vastly preferable to perjuring themselves, heh.  Best to leave that to the expert who has a proven track record of somehow getting away with it each time.

[franky1]

obviously all these witnesses are just paid shills
everyone on CSW side dont actually believe his narrative, they are just financially motivated to play along or suffer losses/threat of losses if they dont
(as noted by that kurt twitter guy that reported on cases.. being told by CSW lawyers during the miami case to watch what he says(admitted in his video yesterday at about 30 minute are of video)

im starting to think gavin signed a contract. when deciding to retire from bitcoin to just take a payday from some muppet offering money for a nonsense thing (not realising the after effects of how big the nonsense thing would blow up) and part of that agreement is to not de-nounce it fully or speak much of the private conversations apart from the script handed to him as part of the deal.. else be penalised with a breach of contract requiring gavin to pay CSW a larger amount..


and perjury is not a crime in civil which is why craigs team can say all they like. the worse that can happen for being caught in a lie is that the judges rules in favour of hodlonaut (no prison time for lying in civil court)

if caught in a lie then the result is to just lean the case in favour of the one thats not lying..
so its upto hodlonauts team to catch CSW in his lies.

the other thing about using lawyers is that the lawyers can say anything they like. because lawyers are not giving factual testimony. they are deemed as just hearsay witnesses too.. setting up the story/narrative

its why defendants never take the stand or never talk in police interrogations and instead use their lawyers to do the speaking. because the lawyers can say literally anything and its not treated as evidence. and its upto the other side to then disprove the lawyers words just to sway judges mind in favour of the honest party about which narrative sounds more realistic to win the dispute
(in civil cases)

..
CSW has always wanted to do his "proof" in a court and not using real proof. because although many people think law is about truth and justice.. civil court is about dispute resolution and finding agreement to a narrative that settles a dispute. even if the end result is not the truth. its dispute resolution not truth finding

[o_e_l_e_o]

Finished for today. Nothing of any surprise from CSW's team. Talking about CSW's lack of basic understanding of bitcoin and cryptography in general above, here is another hilarious exchange: https://nitter.it/bitnorbert/status/1569671044662689794#m

As everyone knows, signature files are completely unnecessary as long as you double check the URL you are downloading from. There is absolutely no possible way that anything could possibly go wrong or be tampered with. That's what we tell every newbie, right? "Who cares about PGP, cryptography, or even the very fundamentals of good security. Just double check the URL and then do whatever you like."

[aoluain]

Finished for today. Nothing of any surprise from CSW's team. Talking about CSW's lack of basic understanding of bitcoin and cryptography in general above, here is another hilarious exchange: https://nitter.it/bitnorbert/status/1569671044662689794#m

But that is contradictory because they presented CSW's credentials

@bitnorbert

Now presenting Craig's background. Early interest in cryptography, computers etc.
Things pointing towards the claimed authorship of the Bitcoin white paper.

I was a bit lost today, was following throughout the day but a lot of stuff went over my
head, stuff I'm not clued into link the Lynam people.

↓

Yes, ATM I cant watch the footage but I plan to do so towards the weekend

[btcduster]

Here's an actual footage from the trial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4LWWnT48M

[NotATether]

Soon I will recover both of pseudonym by signing a Cryptographic message from the Genesis Block. That will prove that CSW is not Me, Satoshi Nakamoto and Hodlonaut Versus Craig Steven Wright case is a fiasco.

We're waiting...

[DooMAD]

*Lies from a moronic troll*

Just so you know, the real satoshi had a much firmer command of the English language.  Your impersonation is rather poor.  Wholly unconvincing.  I doubt you are going to provide any attempts at a signed message, but even if you did, I would presume it fake and immediately look to debunk it. 

Go find another forum to troll, plz.

[o_e_l_e_o]

https://nitter.it/bitnorbert working overtime today, with pages and pages of tweets already. I'll summarize so far briefly below for those who don't want to read them all themselves.

Started with Hodlonaut himself being questioned. He pointed out the absurdity of CSW's private "signing" session, as well as the broad consensus throughout pretty much the entire crypto ecosystem that CSW is not Satoshi, specifically mentioning both Vitalik Buterin (Ethereum) and Charlie Lee (Litecoin). Mentions how BSV is scamming people by calling themselves "Bitcoin", much like BCH did/does via bitcoin.com. He thanks the bitcoin community for the overwhelming support he has received. There then follows a lot of discussion regarding individual tweets, and more discussion about Gavin Andresen.

It then moves to CSW being questioned. He states that he was incredibly hurt by the tweets, and for an unclear reason talks about Hitler and Nazis. CSW then seems to rant about scaling, Lightning, and Monero's fluffypony, again for unclear reasons. Then follows some weird claims, such as he wrote the whitepaper using voice recognition, that he had to dumb it down after receiving feedback from others, and that bitcoin became too expensive to mine. Everything gets a bit messy there, likely due to CSW's ranting as opposed to bitnorbert's transcription. It seems the voice recognition statement might be to try to explain why he previously used the term "Bit Coin", when Satoshi never used that term. He also goes on to deny all knowledge of a lot of things, such as the back dated blog posts and altered emails which he has previously tried to lie with, statements he made attacking Hodlonaut, and statements Satoshi made which directly contradict things CSW has said.

Will be interesting to see what the judge makes of all CSW's evading of questions and just saying "I don't remember" to various things.

[franky1]

Haukaas says you need the private key to sign. No, says Wright, identity is proven by people. Control is not important. "But you did sign for Gavin and Matonis?" No, I used the private key. To keep [Wright's people] happy and shut them up.
 
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What proves it, says Wright, is his time with Andresen, not the signing session. I guess the real proof is the friends he made along the way

that alone should be the nail in the coffin

"friends" paid to visit him and made to sign an NDA with further payment to stay on script or penalty for going offscript.. is not friendship


CSW doesnt know how bitcoin or cryptography work.

CSW trying to use bribed/blackmailed people as "proof"
..
dig your hole deeper CSW, the drama funeral will be excellent

[o_e_l_e_o]

It's only the first time CSW has spoken, and it is already unraveling pretty quickly here.

Haukaas said that he earlier has stated he received keys on a USB stick. No, says Wright, those were key slices. Later he destroyed a USB stick, but he disagrees. It's in evidence, but Haukaas is not sure where right now.
...
The USB stick destruction citation has been found. It was a USB stick from Nguyen, destroyed with a hammer without witnesses. Wright blames his Norwegian lawyers for inaccuracies and translation mistakes.

Lol. Lawyers being scapegoated for his lies exactly as was predicted.

Craig doesn't remember when it was he stomped on his private keys. He was not in a good place at the time, had just come out of hospital.

So he doesn't remember when it was, but knows it was just after he came out of hospital? So he has no records of that hospital admission? He has no idea when that hospital admission was, despite 20 minutes later saying that some emails couldn't possibly have been written by him because he was in hospital at the time? Lol.

Judge asks Wright to help her understand why signing cryptographically is harder for him than what he's doing now.

Wright says it's harder to do because finding up to 100 people and getting them to witness is very time-consuming.

Hahahaha what? Note that question wasn't from one of Hodlonaut's lawyers - it was from the judge. Seems like she is also seeing through CSW's bullshit.

[Lucius]

He thanks the bitcoin community for the overwhelming support he has received.

The fact that Hodlonaut is getting so much support (not just financial) surely hurts Faketoshi the most. Although I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed with some of the members of our forum who cleverly avoid this thread, and apart from you who started this discussion and another member who put the address for donations in the personal text, I did not see a single avatar or anything similar in support Hodlonaut. It seems that many are afraid that they too could find themselves in court face to face with Faketoshi and his 9 lawyers.

There then follows a lot of discussion regarding individual tweets, and more discussion about Gavin Andresen.

That GA, as I already noticed, is someone whom Faketoshi will persistently mention, and I wonder again why the hodlonaut lawyer team did not call him as a witness - because if I'm not mistaken, at one point he changed his mind about CW being Satoshi. Instead of helping Bitcoin, he is literally dealing with shitcoins on his Twitter...

It then moves to CSW being questioned. He states that he was incredibly hurt by the tweets, and for an unclear reason talks about Hitler and Nazis.

It reminds me of the current situation with the war, because when you have no other arguments, you mention Hitler and the Nazis and the eternal struggle between good and evil. Maybe Faketoshi wants to say that he is only fighting against evil, no matter how crazy that sounds from the perspective of anyone who knows what this is about.

[un_rank]

Here are a couple of Norwegian bitcoin users who are in attendance and will be tweeting some updates as the trial progresses:
https://nitter.it/kristiandoble/
https://nitter.it/bitnorbert

Mind editing this into the OP? It could save some a few minutes searching through the pages for where it was posted when they want to get back to it at a later time.

Judge asks Wright to help her understand why signing cryptographically is harder for him than what he's doing now.

Wright says it's harder to do because finding up to 100 people and getting them to witness is very time-consuming.

Hahahaha what? Note that question wasn't from one of Hodlonaut's lawyers - it was from the judge. Seems like she is also seeing through CSW's bullshit.

That is a very crap answer, shows little thought or regard for the audience, particularly the bitcoin audience.
Even with the benefit of the doubt, is getting 100 witnesses, less time consuming than multiple trials or less expensive than paying the bill of multiple lawyers.

- Jay -

[franky1]

Even with the benefit of the doubt, is getting 100 witnesses, less time consuming than multiple trials or less expensive than paying the bill of multiple lawyers.

heres the thing, CSW doesnt care. about what he says or does, or anything. he is just a ass on the seat just there to let the press get some action

win or lose is meaningless to him. proof or no proof is meaningless to him

he doesnt even care if he has 1 lawyer or 20 lawyers. or if he has to travel to places or go to court on a weekly schedule

because.. (big picture)
he is not paying for this out of his pocket. his fanbase are. the people he conned are paying the lawyers and CSW's hotel bill.
he made fake promises that they will get returns on their donations to his games in the form of his stories he can sell

to him, he he is just on vacation via someone elses expense, drumming up his fame to garner more people into paying for his lifestyle

for him its a media event to get his name in print more.
for him its him trying to say things to convince his fans that they need to pay him more.
for him he is just trying to annoy everyone outside his fanbase hoping they too will just pay him to go away.
we see these game sin other silly communities
(flat-earth /climate denier /covid denier)

there are different groups of people
1. the ex doctor/ex employee/someone with notoriety. doing convention speaking tours saying what ever script they are paid to say.
they dont care if they say one thing to one person and the opposite to the other. because they are getting paid 2 times to say 2 things and all they care about is the payment

2. the the conspiracy nuts
these people are willing to pay to have some person of notoriety/accredication/reputation to echo chamber the conspiracy nutters mindset. it does not matter the topic if a nutter has a thought he would pay to hear someone else agree with him.

3. the sucker/loyalists
these people want to suck up and show loyalty. they donate or pay in or use their own labour as payment to join the plot in hope that they can get returns on their money/time they put into it.

4. the oppertunists
these are people that have been asked to be involved and think its a good deal. get paid to go on vacation for a week meet someone sign some NDA and say something and get paid for those words. they dont care about the aftermath of how those words are then used, they just accepted the free holiday and payment for their words

..

the big picture game of CSW is he doesnt care about "proving satoshi". his gravy train wont earn anything from that. his income is about stirring the drama to get more people to just pay him for just turning up and saying "something". it doesnt matter what has to be said. whether its saying he is satoshi, whether its saying he knew satoshi, whether its denying it. whether its counter arguing previous statements. each event is a payday.
he can say he is male on monday, get paid. female on tuesday, get paid. argue monday didnt happen get paid. argue that there are no genders on thursday and then argue there are only 2 genders on friday. he does not care about the conversation or words said each day he just cares about getting 5 payments for 5 things

KEEP THIS IN MIND when trying to understand CSW.
you dont need to understand why he says things. because he does not care what he says

[DooMAD]

Judge asks Wright to help her understand why signing cryptographically is harder for him than what he's doing now.

Wright says it's harder to do because finding up to 100 people and getting them to witness is very time-consuming.

Hahahaha what? Note that question wasn't from one of Hodlonaut's lawyers - it was from the judge. Seems like she is also seeing through CSW's bullshit.

I find that answer very telling.  The only conceivable reason an identity thief would want witnesses in the room with them is if they're planing to perform some sleight-of-hand in order to make a fake signed message appear real.  Simply publishing a signed message for anyone to validate doesn't give him any opportunity to manipulate his audience. 

It would indeed be very time consuming to find some gullible marks who would still fall for his schemes.  He's not lying about that.