Abuse of Edit function to reach quota

[Ultegra134]

A few days ago I saw two specific users, of the same signature campaign (wouldn't be surprised if both accounts belong to the same person) making blank replies around the forum. At first, I thought nothing of it but then it struck me, the posts were a few minutes before midnight, indicating that they're trying to reach the minimum post quota and proceed to abuse the edit function later, in order to fill in their replies. Went to sleep and checked in the morning only to be proven correct, both users had edited the blank posts and filled in some spam 1-liners.

It's pretty evident that this signature campaign is filled with spammers, who don't mind promoting a service that has scammer numerous users, and are also abusing basic forum functions in order to reach their minimum quota.

They're the following two users, Theones and bitgov:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=502210
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=253969

Excuse me for the photos, they're not that convenient looking from my phone.

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[examplens]

It's pretty evident that this signature campaign is filled with spammers, who don't mind promoting a service that has scammer numerous users, and are also abusing basic forum functions in order to reach their minimum quota.

I'd say you're right, seems like an identical way of posting and burstposting.
unfortunately, it is a 1xbit signature campaign, they are already well known to have participants in the campaign who manage multiple accounts. When I say, unfortunately, I mean, there's no point in reporting it to the campaign manager, because he already knows it. it's just their way of doing business.
the maximum we can do is to mark them with a red tag but they already have it, so it's useless.

[decodx]

Basically, it's the same old story we've already had with users AndySt and og kush420. And also, tranthidung already wrote about it in this thread: Spam reserved post, edit later to hit post quota is back

It's no surprise that both are members of the 1xbit campaign, most of their participants are spammers anyway. It might be worth reporting these posts to the moderators, but they will probably edit them before the moderators can take action.

[yahoo62278]

Report the users posts. Maybe if enough reports are sent in showing how they edit posts for sig pay, it could lead to the accounts getting a sig ban or perma ban. I would only report the edited posts though to try and show their pattern.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

It's pretty evident that this signature campaign is filled with spammers, who don't mind promoting a service that has scammer numerous users, and are also abusing basic forum functions in order to reach their minimum quota.

Yeah, the 1xbit scam decided to hire only spammers since quality posters won't bother to ruin their reputations advertising for scam. I think about 95% of the participants have no knowledge about sports and gambling
I don't even bother reading most replies posted by anyone wearing an 1xbit signature

[RapTarX]

This isn’t first time here. A lot of users are having this practices for a quite long time. You know bitcointalk isn't anymore the forum it used to be/it should be. It has gone fully commercial.

Report the users posts. Maybe if enough reports are sent in showing how they edit posts for sig pay, it could lead to the accounts getting a sig ban or perma ban. I would only report the edited posts though to try and show their pattern.

Users will have an argument against a ban for this. It can be a low value content when posted but when edited, it may not be the same low value content. I guess moderator won't take action then.

[Ultegra134]

Report the users posts. Maybe if enough reports are sent in showing how they edit posts for sig pay, it could lead to the accounts getting a sig ban or perma ban. I would only report the edited posts though to try and show their pattern.

By taking a quick look at the second and third photo, you can see that 7 and 5 posts respectively were completely blank, but also all done within a few minutes before 12 am. These users are probably following such pattern for quite some time and many of their posts are conducted this way. Can moderators see that they've been edited? If not, does ninjastic.space record such changes?

This isn’t first time here. A lot of users are having this practices for a quite long time. You know bitcointalk isn't anymore the forum it used to be/it should be. It has gone fully commercial.

Report the users posts. Maybe if enough reports are sent in showing how they edit posts for sig pay, it could lead to the accounts getting a sig ban or perma ban. I would only report the edited posts though to try and show their pattern.

Users will have an argument against a ban for this. It can be a low value content when posted but when edited, it may not be the same low value content. I guess moderator won't take action then.

In this specific case, the ending posts are not too much of a contribution to the discussion. However, back in 2017, I remember things worse, before the introduction of the merit system, the forum was filled with spammers. Currently, I believe that this is caused because of 1xbit's campaign. It's offering low quality/spam posters an opportunity to earn money, in any other scenario, they wouldn't have been accepted in any signature campaign.

[Jatiluhung]

actually the one who did this was not only the two users you mentioned above. but there are still other users. I still remember a few days ago when I was reading a thread on an economics board I found a lot of empty reply posts. but a few hours later the blank reply was edited and filled with a normal reply. But if I find it again then I report it to the moderators as spam. I guess that's enough. because as long as I report a spam post, the moderators always move quickly to delete it. sometimes even less than an hour. so that this step becomes effective. so that the spammer can't find the post to edit again because the post has been deleted by the moderator.
simple steps and in accordance with the function and purpose of the 'report to moderator' button.

[Findingnemo]

Report the users posts. Maybe if enough reports are sent in showing how they edit posts for sig pay, it could lead to the accounts getting a sig ban or perma ban. I would only report the edited posts though to try and show their pattern.

Users will have an argument against a ban for this. It can be a low value content when posted but when edited, it may not be the same low value content. I guess moderator won't take action then.

If some user get mass report against them then mods will actually take a look at their post history and delete their post for spam and low quality which also may comes with temp ban for weeks or 30 days so enough reports are needed against a user in these kind of situations.

[DaveF]

This has been discussed many times in the past, even had a discussion about it in meta a month ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407593
Report them and move on.

I keep saying it, but the campaigns that put up with this are crap and don't care. So in the end they are crap posts from crap posters who are supporting crap scams.

If those people get banned an entire new crop of crap posters show up.

-Dave

[Pandu Geddon]

looks like all we can do is report user posts to moderators. see both accounts are on campaigns that don't mind this. don't bother telling the campaign manager. they will think this is useless.
perhaps the case will be different when the two accounts are part of the campaign of a manager who does have a good reputation. such as similar cases that have been published previously.

so all members who might be more concerned about this can make a report when they see an account with this kind of behavior. it will help the forum look cleaner.

[Ultegra134]

This has been discussed many times in the past, even had a discussion about it in meta a month ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407593
Report them and move on.

I keep saying it, but the campaigns that put up with this are crap and don't care. So in the end they are crap posts from crap posters who are supporting crap scams.

If those people get banned an entire new crop of crap posters show up.

-Dave

In my opinion, it's not the user's fault in this case. 1xbit is providing a loophole for spammers and abusers to take advantage of. No other campaign would want to pay such posters, if 1xbit's campaign didn't exist or was prohibited on the forum, we wouldn't see so many abusers. Reporting them individually probably won't do much, moderators may not be present when the post is made and by the time they investigate them, the posts will already be edited and filled in.

As long as 1xbit continues paying its participants, we'll see examples like these.

[dataispower]

A few days ago I saw two specific users, of the same signature campaign (wouldn't be surprised if both accounts belong to the same person) making blank replies around the forum. At first, I thought nothing of it but then it struck me, the posts were a few minutes before midnight, indicating that they're trying to reach the minimum post quota and proceed to abuse the edit function later, in order to fill in their replies. Went to sleep and checked in the morning only to be proven correct, both users had edited the blank posts and filled in some spam 1-liners.

You don't have to blame the user because it's 1×bit that is causing all this shit post and spamming, when you take your time to read post of 1×bit participants, it take more time to understand them and it's very few of them that do make a meaningful post, the two accounts is working under the 1×bit so you don't need to be angry, some of them i do ignore so that i will not see their numbers of shit posting and spamming everywhere, go to the gamblling section all of them is discussing trash, because they are posting to meet their weekly quota and receive payment.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I think I've come across a thread like this previously, can't tell exactly who started the previous thread but I do know that this discovery of the op is nothing new, unfortunately, (like examplens said), it's always 1xbit campaign participants who are culprits to this kind of posting habits, there is nothing really we can do, their accounts are already tagged, the campaign manager is probably aware of this posting habit too, this posting, I also don't know if this can be classified as post busting, but even if it is, does it really matter? Looking at the type of accounts involved.

[BITCOIN4X]

I think I've come across a thread like this previously, can't tell exactly who started the previous thread but I do know that this discovery of the op is nothing new, unfortunately, (like examplens said), it's always 1xbit campaign participants who are culprits to this kind of posting habits, there is nothing really we can do, their accounts are already tagged, the campaign manager is probably aware of this posting habit too, this posting, I also don't know if this can be classified as post busting, but even if it is, does it really matter? Looking at the type of accounts involved.

I think it's important to pay attention especially if we care about spammers. I think spam should be reported to moderators regardless of who did it, so we don't really have to ignore it despite the fact that those participants no longer care about their reputation.

The more spam posts that are removed the better for the forum regardless of the participant of any campaign. So there's no reason to let 1xbit posters post spam, edit them any time for his sneaky purposes to get paid on campaigns without reporting it to the moderator. Although the campaign operator does not care, but the contribution of other users to control spammers is highly expected.

[_BlackStar]

The more spam posts that are removed the better for the forum regardless of the participant of any campaign. So there's no reason to let 1xbit posters post spam, edit them any time for his sneaky purposes to get paid on campaigns without reporting it to the moderator. Although the campaign operator does not care, but the contribution of other users to control spammers is highly expected.

Some of them are on my ignore list, so I hope I don't read the next post again from them. Consciously or not, reporting spammers is a free task for anyone and I never thought forum would force us to do it just because there are a lot of junk posts. Anyone can report it, it's never mandatory but it might be useful for forum.

They're the following two users, Theones and bitgov:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=502210
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=253969

I've tagged both accounts, so I hope they'll get banned if they really break the rules. Editing posts doesn't violate forum rules, but it may be unethical behavior to earn money from campaign. But don't expect the managers of the campaigns they promote to care about the quality and bad habits of the participants.

[Asiska02]

In my opinion, it's not the user's fault in this case. 1xbit is providing a loophole for spammers and abusers to take advantage of. No other campaign would want to pay such posters, if 1xbit's campaign didn't exist or was prohibited on the forum, we wouldn't see so many abusers. Reporting them individually probably won't do much, moderators may not be present when the post is made and by the time they investigate them, the posts will already be edited and filled in.

As long as 1xbit continues paying its participants, we'll see examples like these.

I couldn't really see the illustration you posted. However, if I understand what you're saying well, those users make shit posts to fill out their signature post counts before going back to change them, if I'm right. Does that imply that the campaign manager will simply pay them whenever the posts are complete, regardless of whether they provide great content or not? If I'm not mistaken, promoting a project also requires quality posts. Does this mean that the campaign managers don't just care because they've already been labeled scammers in the forum?

[skarais]

If I'm not mistaken, promoting a project also requires quality posts.

That's right, quality posters are needed by every manager to promote a project. But note that not all managers care about quality but they care about quantity.  You can find some unreputable community managers in the bounty section who don't care about the quality of their participants' posts, that's just an example.

Does this mean that the campaign managers don't just care because they've already been labeled scammers in the forum?

They don't seem to care anymore, they only care about the quantity of posts from their campaign participants. My advice if you want to contribute, then report the post when you find it. No need to create thread, just report to moderator.

[The Cryptovator]

I agree with examplens, technically they are burst posting. Simply leave a blank post then they write at the same time all the posts. Even you may find plagiarism from such users if you do a deep investigate. That's why managers should read the quality of the post during selection. Anyway, I don't think it's against forum rules but definitely, it should be against campaign rules. I have seen some campaign managers don't accept the edited post. So it's a better solution IMO. Just report to the manager.

[Doan9269]

I think I've come across a thread like this previously, can't tell exactly who started the previous thread but I do know that this discovery of the op is nothing new, unfortunately, (like examplens said), it's always 1xbit campaign participants who are culprits to this kind of posting habits, there is nothing really we can do, their accounts are already tagged, the campaign manager is probably aware of this posting habit too, this posting, I also don't know if this can be classified as post busting, but even if it is, does it really matter? Looking at the type of accounts involved.

It hurt abit seing that post bursting is only applicable to campaigns rules but not on the forum rules and regulations, else i would have suggested a report to the moderators, about the campaign, enough have been said concerning it, if it's been called a spamming and scamming campaign of which it is, must it still behave it, I've seen some of their threads on reputation with the claim that they are back and steady to clear all the previous mess ups but base on what we can all see, they are rather constituting more to their shotfalls since they never stopped to promote or admit scam related activities just like in the case of this one.