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September 18, 2022, 12:29:08 PM
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I will skip all the preaching about responsible gambling and finances, because you know all that already. You have a certain amount of money you want to gamble with per month, and that is your business. I want to tell you that there's ONE thing in your life more important than gambling; and that is being human and a good person. But, in order for you to be a good person, you need to have some sort of moral compass.

It is simple - if you are fortunate enough to have spare cash, give it away to those who need it more. I think we should do what we can to support those who are in need. Do the right thing and show them (and yourself) that you do care about them. Prioritize family, prioritize people… Prioritize LIFE and you will win after all even if you lose money.

Yes, I would definitely give the money to someone who really needs it. We do not need to give up our hobby in order to help a family that is poor. Our small help can make a big difference to their lives.

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September 18, 2022, 12:35:15 PM
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Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?

I'm not a gambling addict, I still my control of my finance and if that family really needs the money, I'm willing to help but I won't give all of my budget for the whole month because I know, I also need the money. There's a lot of ways for you to help that family, in my country we give help through charities and buying products they sell for that very specific purpose. Helping others are still important, but having a good balance life can help you become more happy in life, we can give and we can also have fun, this is the good result of being a responsible gambler.

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September 18, 2022, 12:44:54 PM
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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?


Why not both ?

If I am having some extra money with me then I would go for both i.e., I will help that person as well as gamble with the already allocated money for gambling.
If I don't have extra money with me then I will consider helping that person because we eventually lose money in gambling so I will consider that I have gambled and lost that money.
Also, when that person pays back the money I would have double amount to gamble which would be more fun in it's own way right.

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September 18, 2022, 01:33:37 PM
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I'm willing to help but I won't give all of my budget for the whole month because I know, I also need the money.
He is only asking for money you allocate for gambling so that means funds you can normally live without. It doesn't include your budget for main expenses.

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noormcs5 - Do you really need to create a scenario to know this? Why don't we take it to the extreme and ask if people would give all their "gambling fund" to charity organizations every month? No need for situations like meeting poor person or families.
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September 18, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
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This might come as rude but personally, I wouldn't give them money but instead tell them about some openings on some companies wherein they can use their physical abilities to earn money. A lot of able-bodied men and women can always try and apply for an entry-level job, be it on a fastfood or literally anything that rewards them money. But a lot just choose to beg and not try to do something to turn their situation around. Is that my problem? No. Do I have the responsibility to feed them? No. But what I can do is point them to a direction where they can finally fend for themselves. If I gave them my gambling money (which is just $20 a week), it'll only last them a day, and what next?

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September 18, 2022, 01:53:52 PM
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Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?
I have different understanding of this question, i will separate gambling & poor people, i have different understanding of the two issues.

Gambling: this is an internal/individual problem where gambling is emotional for the addict himself, there are several categories everyone wants to gamble, I mean the money they want to bet, for example: bonus money, the meaning is broad, it can be hot money, other people's money, their own salary money and the like, here can have an understanding of the situation of the poor and addicted to gambling.

Poor people: surely people think about things and think of donations or giving our rights to poor people, honestly I will separate the money from the gambling results to give to the poor, if I see poor people need money I will give them money from my sweat, I mean my salary in the real world, my gambling money I prefer to use for entertainment, eat and give to my friends and treat them.

That's my understanding between gambling and the poor.

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September 18, 2022, 01:55:39 PM
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This might come as rude but personally, I wouldn't give them money but instead tell them about some openings on some companies wherein they can use their physical abilities to earn money. A lot of able-bodied men and women can always try and apply for an entry-level job, be it on a fastfood or literally anything that rewards them money. But a lot just choose to beg and not try to do something to turn their situation around. Is that my problem? No. Do I have the responsibility to feed them? No. But what I can do is point them to a direction where they can finally fend for themselves. If I gave them my gambling money (which is just $20 a week), it'll only last them a day, and what next?

This is not rude but actually the proper help for long term. Poor people always relying on someone help because they find it more convenient to ask for it rather than work for it. Job is the best source of income to fight poverty. It’s not bad to decline to help especially if you are not that rich and you are using gambling as source of entertainment for your tiring life like me who dedicated most of time every week on work and just do some gambling during weekends. I will definitely don’t give my money to the poor since it’s not dedicated for it. I think there’s a perfect time to give to the poor and that’s not when you are gambling.
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September 18, 2022, 02:08:20 PM
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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?

I believe, all religions command their followers to be able to do good things, such as helping, sharing, respecting and appreciating each other. I am very tolerant of anyone even though the person is still a stranger to me, I will uphold the values of kindness by sharing a little what I have when I find a poor person/family who really needs money even though they have to stop gambling habits that I often do. When I was in this position I would sacrifice a habit that I often did to help lighten the burden of people who need it more than me.

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Both are better, divide the funds to gamble and help. But if it continues like that who will help me when I lose at gambling? usually the person being helped will continue to hope every month. It's better to play gambling first if you win then it can help but if not, as usual wait for the next month. To be honest, when I lose also want to be helped because I was also a poor person lol, maybe if have more a lot of money I can help.

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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?

Giving to a relative that is in need would be my best option. This is because there is a tendency that I might lose money in gambling thereby missing the opportunity to help a family member. My choice would also depend on the need of the family member. If it is a basic need like food, medical, shelter, or other important need I would gladly shun my gambling for the month. But if the need is for luxury or other secondary needs, I might not release my gambling funds.

A good or mature gambler is not the one that gambles every month but one that can control his gambling lifestyle. If one cannot live without gambling, then there is a very big problem. Such a gambler is really suffering from a very harmful gambling addiction. Allocating money for gambling for the month is good but one's ability to replan and readjust the budgeted funds when there are emergencies is far better.  

This might come as rude but personally, I wouldn't give them money but instead tell them about some openings on some companies wherein they can use their physical abilities to earn money. A lot of able-bodied men and women can always try and apply for an entry-level job, be it on a fastfood or literally anything that rewards them money. But a lot just choose to beg and not try to do something to turn their situation around. Is that my problem? No. Do I have the responsibility to feed them? No. But what I can do is point them to a direction where they can finally fend for themselves. If I gave them my gambling money (which is just $20 a week), it'll only last them a day, and what next?
Yes, every able-bodied individual is supposed to work and pay his bills. Some people also like taking advantage of their relatives always transferring their responsibilities to them by begging. But sometimes these needs are reasonable emergencies that need urgent attention, hence there might not be time to seek employment opportunities. Also, there might not be employment opportunities at that particular time.

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September 18, 2022, 02:25:54 PM
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A good or mature gambler is not the one that gambles every month but one that can control his gambling lifestyle. If one cannot live without gambling, then there is a very big problem. Such a gambler is really suffering from a very harmful gambling addiction. Allocating money for gambling for the month is good but one's ability to replan and readjust the budgeted funds when there are emergencies is far better.  
Gambling without stressing ourselves whether we will win or not is a better attitude in gambling, I know people who allot money for playing not necessarily in gambling but can also be included and it’s mostly for fun and they called it their play jar whatever happens in that money all they wanted is to enjoy it thru playing, those who have play jar also have other jars for charity if it happens that someone needed it probably using it to help like example giving a source of income or loaning them to start for their small business can be an option, we should not tolerate giving to people who not even help themselves, they should also have the courage to learn and to earn and not only to rely to anyone.

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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?


It really depends but helping to charity must be done wholeheartedly. Remember, we are in no obligation to help the needy but we have such compassionate attitude that we extend our help to them. Maybe a better idea would be to decrease your allocation to your gambling activities by 10-20% and give remainder to the ones who need it.

Gambling is a habit that can potentially destroy a person's livelihood if not controlled. In order to help other people, you must help yourself first by dividing and spending your money wisely.
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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?


Maybe not? it depends. If they are only a poor family but don't need money urgently, I would rather give them some advice to earn more money rather than giving them money, when you give them money you also say that they need to depend on you, but if someone needs money I will lend my money because just like what you said, he badly needed some money.
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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?

Realisticly, I won't sacrifice something that makes me happy or entertained like quiting on gambling, I'm not an addict or I can't stop gambling, I know myself today that I'm a responsible gambler and helping a poor family with the needs urgent amount of money  is very fine for me but I won't sacrifice anything even If I help someone. If I gambled and won, I won't be sorry for myself I donated the whole winnings I got from the casino on that day.

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This might come as rude but personally, I wouldn't give them money but instead tell them about some openings on some companies wherein they can use their physical abilities to earn money. A lot of able-bodied men and women can always try and apply for an entry-level job, be it on a fastfood or literally anything that rewards them money. But a lot just choose to beg and not try to do something to turn their situation around. Is that my problem? No. Do I have the responsibility to feed them? No. But what I can do is point them to a direction where they can finally fend for themselves. If I gave them my gambling money (which is just $20 a week), it'll only last them a day, and what next?

This is not rude but actually the proper help for long term. Poor people always relying on someone help because they find it more convenient to ask for it rather than work for it. Job is the best source of income to fight poverty. It’s not bad to decline to help especially if you are not that rich and you are using gambling as source of entertainment for your tiring life like me who dedicated most of time every week on work and just do some gambling during weekends. I will definitely don’t give my money to the poor since it’s not dedicated for it. I think there’s a perfect time to give to the poor and that’s not when you are gambling.

Here in the Philippines, they are trying to do begging as a business. A lot of people with disabilities are being taken by criminal organizations and forced to beg on the streets of city metros. This is why I never give any money to these people and instead give them some food whenever I have one or just ignore them. I'm still human and I still feel for these guys because of their situation but if I help them by giving them money, it will just incentivize them to do just that and do nothing for themselves. Even the government go against the practice of giving alms to the beggars because they know what the modus operandi some of these guys are.

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September 18, 2022, 03:06:16 PM
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Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?
I will give to the poor family because that is the right thing to do. It will give me pleasure and satisfaction knowing that I have put a smile on the face of people. Giving is receiving I believe, and a lot of people really need help, and I also believe that if I really want to gamble, I will get another money to pursue my pleasure. I don't think gambling is as important as helping someone in need.

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September 18, 2022, 03:20:43 PM
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Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?
I'd pick gamble since i'm a bit strict when it comes to giving others a helping hand as i've learned my lesson back then since there are poor people who spend that money on something else instead of the necessities. Even though I want to help them I just think it's better to help them in a way where they don't have to struggle financially on their own because if you suddenly give your money to them there's still a possibility for them to do the same thing in the future and potentially waste the helping hand of others.

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September 18, 2022, 03:29:48 PM
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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling ?


If you're a responsible gambler then you're also a responsible and mature person, so it's just right that you give your money to who is in urgent need of money, In my case, I will give the money, since I'm only gambling for recreation and entertainment I can forego my recreation until the next time I got money, the most important is to show compassion to people who urgently need money, maybe next time they will repay your kindness when you become the one needing the money.

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September 18, 2022, 03:36:33 PM
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This might come as rude but personally, I wouldn't give them money but instead tell them about some openings on some companies wherein they can use their physical abilities to earn money. A lot of able-bodied men and women can always try and apply for an entry-level job, be it on a fastfood or literally anything that rewards them money. But a lot just choose to beg and not try to do something to turn their situation around. Is that my problem? No. Do I have the responsibility to feed them? No. But what I can do is point them to a direction where they can finally fend for themselves. If I gave them my gambling money (which is just $20 a week), it'll only last them a day, and what next?

This is not rude but actually the proper help for long term. Poor people always relying on someone help because they find it more convenient to ask for it rather than work for it. Job is the best source of income to fight poverty. It’s not bad to decline to help especially if you are not that rich and you are using gambling as source of entertainment for your tiring life like me who dedicated most of time every week on work and just do some gambling during weekends. I will don’t give my money to the poor since it’s not dedicated to it. I think there’s a perfect time to give to the poor and that’s not when you are gambling.

Here in the Philippines, they are trying to do begging as a business. A lot of people with disabilities are being taken by criminal organizations and forced to beg on the streets of city metros. This is why I never give any money to these people and instead give them some food whenever I have one or just ignore them. I'm still human and I still feel for these guys because of their situation but if I help them by giving them money, it will just incentivize them to do just that and do nothing for themselves. Even the government goes against the practice of giving alms to beggars because they know what the modus operandi some of these guys are.
Giving to poor people is kindness. Humans must look after their kind. It is a good thing to give or help poor people, especially those that need it. Although some elements have turned begging into a form of business, it should not, however, discourage those whose heart is intent on giving to relent, only be cautious. Gambling to some is a hobby, to others a means of livelihood and some are simply just addicted. Thus, if a balance is struck between gambling and giving, no matter how little, it is of more benefit than just gambling away all cash and turning a blind eye to someone who is in dire need of such cash one is playing away.
Give when it is necessary and gamble for fun with cash that is for the purpose.  Remember balance is everything.

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September 18, 2022, 04:07:48 PM
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In order to understand the psychology of gamblers, i have decided to come up few questions for discussions, and here is the first one.

Suppose that you are a responsible gambler who have allocated a certain portion of money to gamble each month. Now you came across a poor person/family who is in urgent need of money. Will you quit the gambling for that month and give the allocated money to the poor family or will you prefer to gamble as you can't live without gambling?

In my opinion, the question is posed incorrectly and in some ways even it is immoral. Let's say there are people who never do charity work, and in the described case, they won't either. Is that why we should put them in the "can't live without gambling" category? Or let's take the other extreme: a person spends 90% of his income on charity, but he leaves a certain minimum for himself (including gambling). Should we require him to give up even the bare minimum?
In general, I'm not sure that such situations you model will help you understand the psychology of gamblers. You are missing too many other details.
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