Royse777 is Casino Critique

[Poker Player]

Get a grip on yourself, I already wrote that I didn't see his last post.

I already got a grip but after that, suchmoon has said that

but it turns out that at least part of it is true.

And you have agreed. I have put the quote and the screenshot so you can see that it is 100% true.

PS. I was ready to invest 0.04 BTC with Casino Critique. I probably would not have had the confidence in doing so had I known that it was Royse777 raising the money, with him being fresh off the heels of the BitLucy snafu and all, with him saying he needs some time to cool down from it.

Well, I hope you agree with me that I was right to reveal the secret. And it was a bit by chance, because for the same reason you say, I had put the Reputation section on ignore, and when a thread was moved here, I unignored the section because I was interested in following it.

Then I saw what had happened with that disgusting being called naim027, AnotherAlt, whatever scumbag and that's what triggered me to reveal the secret and I red tagged Royse777 and CC.

 

Everything was going as planned until Poker Player decided to break the trust that I had for him.

You better not blame others for what you brought on yourself. The little funding you got is not my fault, and as suchmoon says, telling so many people to keep a secret about you, makes it quite likely to be revealed.

What I don't understand is what kind of trust you had in me. We hadn't exchanged a single PM before you offered me the chip, and we had barely interacted in threads either. Too long I kept it a secret for the little relationship we had.

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[NotATether]

@Poker Player

All cool man.

The only mystery after this is, how did a serial alt farmer manage to ascertain what people thought was just speculation?  

And why was naim027 (masquerading as AnotherAlt) meddling in the affair if being on the team, he already knew who was behind CC?

Something stinks in here.

[yahoo62278]

@Poker Player

All cool man.

The only mystery after this is, how did a serial alt farmer manage to ascertain what people thought was just speculation?  

And why was naim027 (masquerading as AnotherAlt) meddling in the affair if being on the team, he already knew who was behind CC?

Something stinks in here.

Naim027 was a part of the Casino Critique team and likely just trying to stick up for the team even though he would have been better off to stay out of it.

[suchmoon]

I might be wrong though. Maybe sockpuppeting and lying about it and blaming others is the Bitcointalk way.

Just maybe... Here's one who at least asks some honest questions, but on the other hand if you think you have a duty to make it better, you have tools that you can use such as red tagging someone for what red tagging is meant to be. If you want to check a counter example of what a good use of a red tag is, you just have to check my profile for the red tag you left me 

This is not about you. Nor do you have any standing to lecture about the trust system.

[dkbit98]

I guess if your last name is "Bitches" you kinda have to name your child like this

Wasn't he celebrating comeback in forum just a few days ago?  
Maybe he should add more information on his graphic designer portfolio, adding multitasking and ability to operate multiple forum accounts and pretend they are not connected.

FatFork, you are not allowed to post archive link that has personal information. Knowingly or unknowingly it may harm the person. If you really want to keep the link then everything deserve to be in the investigation board or it should be deleted. I don't know what consequences it will bring for you if you don't delete it, you can not move it to investigation board since you are not the topic creator.

Dude I don't understand why you care so much about this guy and his personal information than about your connection with him.
I know doxing is bad and not allowed in forum, but Naim basically exposed himself and dig his own grave, for all of his (known) accounts.
Regarding your connection with Casino Critique account, you made a mistake of hiding this information from public but you revealed it to some members and I don't understand why.
You can't expect everyone to keep your secret and be angry on them for exposing it  

Naim027 was a part of the Casino Critique team and likely just trying to stick up for the team even though he would have been better off to stay out of it.

He was probably doing some design work for Casino Critique, but he has a big mouth and he is not very smart.

And why was naim027 (masquerading as AnotherAlt) meddling in the affair if being on the team, he already knew who was behind CC?

Mental illness or some other hidden motives maybe...
Why is he not banned again for Ban evasion with all his alt accounts?

[suchmoon]

My "Hunches" are always on the money.

If you had a hunch - or better yet proof - about naim027's sockpuppeting, ban evasion, lies, etc then you should have made your trust rating about that and it could be perhaps useful to someone. Red trust for being banned is useless. And deleting/reposting your rating is borderline spam.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

And why was naim027 (masquerading as AnotherAlt) meddling in the affair if being on the team, he already knew who was behind CC?

Mental illness or some other hidden motives maybe...
Why is he not banned again for Ban evasion with all his alt accounts?

I'm trying to understand this part of the whole debacle--obviously naim027 was evading a ban with his alt accounts, but what was the meddling he was doing with the AnotherAlt account?  I don't have a photographic memory of all the details like some of you seem to, and though I'll go back and look at the CC thread(s), I'm hoping someone can give me a TL;DR on that.

And I'm also thinking that in light of the new information that's come out, i.e., that naim027 was blatantly ban evading with two alt accounts, that the mods ought to reconsider their decision to unban him.  That might be a wee bit off-topic, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Timelord2067]

Why is he not banned again for Ban evasion with all his alt accounts?

A better question is "Who was gullible enough to UNban them in the first place? - (and by extension who supported their unbanning?)"

[NotATether]

(and by extension who supported their unbanning?)"

That info is public - just go to his ban appeal thread.

[PaperWallet]

I might be wrong though. Maybe sockpuppeting and lying about it and blaming others is the Bitcointalk way.

Just maybe... Here's one who at least asks some honest questions, but on the other hand if you think you have a duty to make it better, you have tools that you can use such as red tagging someone for what red tagging is meant to be. If you want to check a counter example of what a good use of a red tag is, you just have to check my profile for the red tag you left me 

This is not about you. Nor do you have any standing to lecture about the trust system.

Then it's about you. If you say "Maybe sockpuppeting and lying about it and blaming others is the Bitcointalk way", then what are you, are you not a "reputable" Bitcointalk member as well, like Royse777?

[suchmoon]

Then it's about you. If you say "Maybe sockpuppeting and lying about it and blaming others is the Bitcointalk way", then what are you, are you not a "reputable" Bitcointalk member as well, like Royse777?

It's not about me either. And the longer you act like a trust system troll, the longer my red tag will stay on you.

Edit: grammar.

[PaperWallet]

Then it's about you. If you say "Maybe sockpuppeting and lying about it and blaming others is the Bitcointalk way", then what are you, are you not a "reputable" Bitcointalk member as well, like Royse777?

It's not about me either. And the longer you act like a trust system troll, the long my red tag will stay on you.

You're quoting me, but you didn't answer the question.

[mindrust]

Wow I wasn’t visiting this board for quite some time and you know what?

It delivered.

Reading it page by page and it is worth every second I have spent here.

Oath breakers, fallen angels, back stabbers, anonymous executioners, negative trust ratings going in every direction like firing a machine gun…

This is the bitcointalk I remember.

Only Lauda is missing in this picture…somehow :/

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Oath breakers, fallen angels, back stabbers, anonymous executioners, negative trust ratings going in every direction like firing a machine gun…

I can't stand it when statements like the above are made, because they always leave me wondering whether I'm being included in that broad set.  I didn't break any oaths, nor do I think I stabbed anyone in any part of their body.  Maybe I'm just one of those soldiers in a foxhole sniping here and there but generally just trying not to get in the war all the way.

A better question is "Who was gullible enough to UNban them in the first place? - (and by extension who supported their unbanning?)"

Assume (correctly) that I'm stupid.  Did naim027 get his ban reinstated?

[Poker Player]

Oath breakers, fallen angels, back stabbers, anonymous executioners, negative trust ratings going in every direction like firing a machine gun…

I can't stand it when statements like the above are made, because they always leave me wondering whether I'm being included in that broad set.  I didn't break any oaths, nor do I think I stabbed anyone in any part of their body.  Maybe I'm just one of those soldiers in a foxhole sniping here and there but generally just trying not to get in the war all the way.

And I hope he is not referring to me, for I did not break any oath.

Actually, now that some time has passed, I think that hiding who was behind Casino Critique was wrong, and there were many of us who knew it.

People like NotATether, who said:

I was ready to invest 0.04 BTC with Casino Critique. I probably would not have had the confidence in doing so had I known that it was Royse777 raising the money, with him being fresh off the heels of the BitLucy snafu and all, with him saying he needs some time to cool down from it.

had the right to know.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Actually, now that some time has passed, I think that hiding who was behind Casino Critique was wrong, and there were many of us who knew it.

I agreed to withhold the mysterious, unknown person's identity (while there was a whirlwind of speculation that he was Royse777 and nobody in second place as far as possible contenders) for a number of reasons--but I'd say the main one was my own judgement of Royse777 and his credibility.  I definitely wouldn't have agreed to do that for just anyone.  There was also the structure of the funding, and escrows were in place to keep everyone honest.  In addition, even if Royse777 came up with the project idea and kicked it off, there was still a fairly large team working on Casino Critique, so I didn't see this would be in any way a golden opportunity for Royse777 to scam anyone, even if he were so inclined to do it.

Looking ahead, if a situation like that ever comes up again, I'm going to give it a lot more consideration.

[suchmoon]

Looking ahead, if a situation like that ever comes up again, I'm going to give it a lot more consideration.

The problem, particularly in this case, is that when you agree to something like that and the info leaks out (which it was guaranteed to leak out because Royse777 was apparently telling about it to "many" users) you are in a position of either having to lie covering up the leak, or to break the promise of keeping the secret. And you can't really keep a secret on this forum if more than a few people know about it, what with the pervasive sockpuppeting and backstabbing culture.

Having said that, I can imagine myself getting roped into a situation like this. It's easy for me to talk about this now from the comfort of my glass house.

[JollyGood]

PS. I was ready to invest 0.04 BTC with Casino Critique. I probably would not have had the confidence in doing so had I known that it was Royse777 raising the money, with him being fresh off the heels of the BitLucy snafu and all, with him saying he needs some time to cool down from it.

How many would have any confidence in investing in anything related to Royse777 when almost zero time was given between the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam ending and Casino Critique starting up? You were right to be cautious.

The excuse provided by Royse777 for the massive cloud of secrecy surrounding the main protagonist behind Casino Critique was that two unnamed members (but heavily hinted at them being yahoo62278 and myself) would not allow the project to be given a fair chance to succeed had it be known Royse777 was behind it or involved in it. It was an excuse.

Well, I hope you agree with me that I was right to reveal the secret. And it was a bit by chance, because for the same reason you say, I had put the Reputation section on ignore, and when a thread was moved here, I unignored the section because I was interested in following it.

Then I saw what had happened with that disgusting being called naim027, AnotherAlt, whatever scumbag and that's what triggered me to reveal the secret and I red tagged Royse777 and CC.

Yes of course you were right to reveal the so-called secret.

Royse777 knew naim027 had alt-accounts that were being to used to push two agendas. First to try to get the naim027 account unbanned and second to push the Royse777/Casino Critique propaganda and whether there is any case to even conclude a 1% chance she was unaware, it cannot detract from the point that the so-called secret was something you were caught unexpectedly to receive without you making any commitment or promise.

Everything was going as planned until Poker Player decided to break the trust that I had for him.

You better not blame others for what you brought on yourself. The little funding you got is not my fault, and as suchmoon says, telling so many people to keep a secret about you, makes it quite likely to be revealed.

What I don't understand is what kind of trust you had in me. We hadn't exchanged a single PM before you offered me the chip, and we had barely interacted in threads either. Too long I kept it a secret for the little relationship we had.

If Royse777 is not going to blame you and several others for everything that she did wrong and everything that went wrong, who else will she blame? Did she whole-heartedly even accept her part in the Bitlucy debacle? Royse777 will not be accept responsibility for her mistakes, she had ample time to do so but opted to the contrary.

Allow me to provide some clarity, the primary reason why you were included in the small list of users that received the PM inviting you to receive freebie tokens and being instructed to keep the secret quiet. In the Royse777/Bitlucy scam and reputation threads, some of your posts could have been interpreted as being opposed to me or my views. In some of your posts you (rightly or wrongly) came across as though you were in favour of giving Royse777 a fresh start and minimising her input in the scam whereas I and several others were against it and wanted Royse777 to be fully held to account for her part in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam.

It was clear you were not trolling me as three low-level nonsense posting trolls were at the time (and they have been doing so intermittently since then) but the impression Royse777 probably got was you were against me and thus you were a staunch defender for her reputation. That is my most probable conclusion.

Actually, now that some time has passed, I think that hiding who was behind Casino Critique was wrong, and there were many of us who knew it.

I agreed to withhold the mysterious, unknown person's identity (while there was a whirlwind of speculation that he was Royse777 and nobody in second place as far as possible contenders) for a number of reasons--but I'd say the main one was my own judgement of Royse777 and his credibility.  I definitely wouldn't have agreed to do that for just anyone.  There was also the structure of the funding, and escrows were in place to keep everyone honest.  In addition, even if Royse777 came up with the project idea and kicked it off, there was still a fairly large team working on Casino Critique, so I didn't see this would be in any way a golden opportunity for Royse777 to scam anyone, even if he were so inclined to do it.

Looking ahead, if a situation like that ever comes up again, I'm going to give it a lot more consideration.

If a situation like that happens again, your consideration could have an impact on others including investors as well as your own reputation. It was a careless act on part of Royse777 dragging others in to her secret by forcing it in front of them in the form of a PM.

The correct format should have allowed you and others to have the right to make a choice about wanting to know a secret with a promise to not divulge it rather than receive a PM stating you have to keep a secret without you even wanting to know about it.

[Timelord2067]

Note:

I haven't been following this thread line-by-line over the last few weeks.

Royse777 knew naim027 had alt-accounts that were being to used to push two agendas.

Makes me wonder what the connection between Royse777 and naim027 is ??

Are they alts as well?  Both deleted their DT trust/distrust lists this same week.

A better question is "Who was gullible enough to UNban them in the first place? - (and by extension who supported their unbanning?)"

Assume (correctly) that I'm stupid.  Did naim027 get his ban reinstated?

No.  None are banned with AnotherAlt online not that long ago.

[LoyceV]

Makes me wonder what the connection between Royse777 and naim027 is ??
Are they alts as well?

I don't think so.

Both deleted their DT trust/distrust lists this same week.

They both got hit by the same shitstorm.