Royse777 is Casino Critique

[JollyGood]

Royse777 knew naim027 had alt-accounts that were being to used to push two agendas.

Makes me wonder what the connection between Royse777 and naim027 is ??

Are they alts as well?  Both deleted their DT trust/distrust lists this same week.

AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027, Dic3L0v3r are known to be operated by the same puppeteer, that much has been ascertained but it seems there could be more accounts which remain unknown as of yet. Eventually he will let it slip.

As for you asking if Royse777 and naim027 are alt-accounts, that would be a huge surprise and highly unlikely scenario because they are most probably not but what cannot be denied is that naim027 was using his AnotherAlt sock-puppet account to promote the pro-Royse777 propaganda in the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam accusation threads.

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[Poker Player]

Allow me to provide some clarity, the primary reason why you were included in the small list of users that received the PM inviting you to receive freebie tokens and being instructed to keep the secret quiet. In the Royse777/Bitlucy scam and reputation threads, some of your posts could have been interpreted as being opposed to me or my views. In some of your posts you (rightly or wrongly) came across as though you were in favour of giving Royse777 a fresh start and minimising her input in the scam whereas I and several others were against it and wanted Royse777 to be fully held to account for her part in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam.

It was clear you were not trolling me as three low-level nonsense posting trolls were at the time (and they have been doing so intermittently since then) but the impression Royse777 probably got was you were against me and thus you were a staunch defender for her reputation. That is my most probable conclusion.

I think that's only part of it.

First of all, offering something for free is a good business strategy to stimulate sales. After the free chip offer, I was looking at the project and thinking whether to invest something. If I had, it would have been an amount I didn't mind losing, on the order of $100. But I didn't see the point. It is not the first time that I have been presented with a business project with big numbers, very well detailed, that in the end comes to nothing.

I guess it included those of us who initially supported the flag and/or left neutral feedback and then changed the feedback to neutral and withdrew support for the flag.
But I like to think of myself as having independence. It's not either you're with me or you're against me. Each case, taking into account the evidence presented, may lead me to one course of action or another. And for me, knowing that she had covered up for Naim027 was the straw that broke the camel's back. It made me rethink everything.

Also, there are some things that I'm becoming aware of. For example, there is supposed to be some competition between Royse777 and yahoo62278 for the management of signature campaigns.

But then I see that efialtis, who took a long time to red tag Royse777, despite saying clearly from the beginning that Bitlucy smelled like an exit scam, has a business that is the same that Casino Critique is trying to implement. Coincidence? I don't think so. And I'm not saying that for efialtis, who I think was sincere with the tag.

In my case I neither compete for signature campaing management nor will I start any business project in the forum (never say never ever but certainly not in the short or medium term).

At this moment I count 4 negative feedbacks to her, because the one from yahoo62278 even though it is neutral colored is clearly negative in my opinion.

[examplens]

Royse777 knew naim027 had alt-accounts that were being to used to push two agendas.

Makes me wonder what the connection between Royse777 and naim027 is ??

Are they alts as well?  Both deleted their DT trust/distrust lists this same week.

AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027, Dic3L0v3r are known to be operated by the same puppeteer, that much has been ascertained but it seems there could be more accounts which remain known as of yet. Eventually he will let it slip.

As for you asking if Royse777 and naim027 are alt-accounts, that would be a huge surprise and highly unlikely scenario because they are most probably not but what cannot be denied is that naim027 was using his AnotherAlt sock-puppet account to promote the pro-Royse777 propaganda in the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam accusation threads.

naim027 is a member of the Casino Critique team gathered by Royse777, it is the connection between them. The problem is that at some point he was banned from the forum and there was additional doubt about the whole project (CC), and therefore about Royse777.

Also, there are some things that I'm becoming aware of. For example, there is supposed to be some competition between Royse777 and yahoo62278 for the management of signature campaigns.

I noticed several of you persistently repeating yahoo62278's conflict with Royse777 as a conflict of interest and competition. I don't understand why, because those two aren't the only campaign managers here.

At this moment I count 4 negative feedbacks to her, because the one from yahoo62278 even though it is neutral colored is clearly negative in my opinion.

I think Royse777 is not "she" but he.

[Poker Player]

I noticed several of you persistently repeating yahoo62278's conflict with Royse777 as a conflict of interest and competition. I don't understand why, because those two aren't the only campaign managers here.

yahoo62278 was accused of having it, and of having "taken away" some campaign, I think in Bitlucy's thread. What is clear is that I do not have a conflict of interest, and, on the other hand, did the other campaign managers, tag Royse777?

I think yahoo62278 was honest when tagging and wasn't trying to take advantage.

I think Royse777 is not "she" but he.

Whatever.

No, it's just that the name sounds feminine to me, like Rose. But she might be gender fluid or something, or some of the other 82 supposed genders.

At a time in history when many people consider saying that boys have penises and girls have vaginas to be fascist on the level of Mussolini, using he or she I don't think is very relevant to what we are discussing.

[FatFork]

Royse777 knew naim027 had alt-accounts that were being to used to push two agendas.

Makes me wonder what the connection between Royse777 and naim027 is ??

Are they alts as well?  Both deleted their DT trust/distrust lists this same week.

AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027, Dic3L0v3r are known to be operated by the same puppeteer, that much has been ascertained but it seems there could be more accounts which remain known as of yet. Eventually he will let it slip.

As for you asking if Royse777 and naim027 are alt-accounts, that would be a huge surprise and highly unlikely scenario because they are most probably not but what cannot be denied is that naim027 was using his AnotherAlt sock-puppet account to promote the pro-Royse777 propaganda in the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam accusation threads.

naim027 is a member of the Casino Critique team gathered by Royse777, it is the connection between them. The problem is that at some point he was banned from the forum and there was additional doubt about the whole project (CC), and therefore about Royse777.

At the time of his ban from the forum on May 19th, naim027 had already been hired by Royse777 as support staff for BitLucy casino. Following the BitLucy fiasco, they continued to work together on Casino Critique project. The fact that naim027's account was banned wasn't a real problem for the CC project, since it was a known fact from the start. Although some members (including you) voiced their concerns, the issue was soon dropped and never brought up again.

[AB de Royse777]

At the time of his ban from the forum on May 19th, naim027 had already been hired by Royse777 as support staff for BitLucy casino.

Please do not spread new kind of misinformation. naim027 never worked in Bitlucy team. He was interviewed but was not hired as at that time there were enough members in the team.

[FatFork]

At the time of his ban from the forum on May 19th, naim027 had already been hired by Royse777 as support staff for BitLucy casino.

Please do not spread new kind of misinformation. naim027 never worked in Bitlucy team. He was interviewed but was not hired as at that time there were enough members in the team.

I apologize if I'm spreading misinformation, but it's hard to tell who's telling the truth and who's lying these days.

My conclusion was based on the following quote:

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At least ask some of the users who worked with the owner.

I guess I can help a little bit.
@Royse777, I want to be anonymous in this forum. After this post, Only you, bitlucy owner, and another guy from this forum will know who am I. Please don't reveal me.

@yahoo62278 I was referred by a guy from this forum to Royse777. Bitlucy was looking for a Support Agent and I was looking for a job.
Since there is a question raised about Royse777 being the owner of Bitlucy or not, I can confirm that it doesn't look to me that he is the owner.
I was looking for a full conversation with Bitlucy owner and Royse777. But, I figured out either Royse777 or Bitlucy Owner Deleted the group and cleared the conversation. So I am unable to submit the full conversation. But, at that time, I took three screenshots to give to my current employer. That's all I have right now. After reading the conversation, You may decide something.




One From Personal Chat With Royse

From the conversation, you suggested to yahoo62278: "At least ask some of the users who worked with the owner.", to which naim027 (with his alt account) replied: "I guess I can help a little bit..." Additionally, the screenshots (if authentic) indicate that you offered naim027 a job and defined the salary for Bitlucy casino support staff. After being interviewed by the "Bitlucy CEO", naim027 informed you in a private conversation that he had decided to accept the position.

As far as I know, that's all the information available, so I hope you can see how I arrived at that conclusion. But hey! You should already know that I am always open to constructive criticism. If you think I made a wrong conclusion, please feel free to correct me and provide supporting evidence.

[AB de Royse777]

so I hope you can see how I arrived at that conclusion

If you are familiar with Telegram group then you will understand it's a group conversation. In the group there were me, Naim, and Lucy. The temp name for the group was "Rec 2" as the short for the word "Recruiting". It was given number "2" as there were many other groups (temp groups) for individual possible applicants.

As for who to believe and who not to, I gave it up already, these days I do not care much. I am keeping myself away from all these because none of it really works. End of the day people make their own conclusions, take it as guaranteed then advise/suggest/give opinions to everyone. Everyone is a package of judge, jury, prosecutor - an entire law making agency.

My weakness that I am still looking at the interesting analogies from different members, I should not even want to correct you in the first place. It's obviously a lot for me to take and I am still working on it.

[JollyGood]

I think that's only part of it.

First of all, offering something for free is a good business strategy to stimulate sales. After the free chip offer, I was looking at the project and thinking whether to invest something. If I had, it would have been an amount I didn't mind losing, on the order of $100. But I didn't see the point. It is not the first time that I have been presented with a business project with big numbers, very well detailed, that in the end comes to nothing.

I guess it included those of us who initially supported the flag and/or left neutral feedback and then changed the feedback to neutral and withdrew support for the flag.

Casino Critique was never going to succeed if it involved Royse777 and naim027 regardless of whether they presented large numbers or not. If these types of characters were involved in any project the chances of it succeeding are extremely low no matter how many large numbers they pluck out of the air when trying to seek attention or promote their ideas or when seeking investment.

But I like to think of myself as having independence. It's not either you're with me or you're against me. Each case, taking into account the evidence presented, may lead me to one course of action or another. And for me, knowing that she had covered up for Naim027 was the straw that broke the camel's back. It made me rethink everything.

The first shroud of secrecy was Royse777 hiding her involvement in the Casino Critique project. The second shroud of secrecy was when Royse777 covered up for naim027 and associated alt-accounts.

That was a fairly low-level thing to do but she probably needed support and regular back up from any user apart from the three trolls that formed a clique and gave her unnecessary widespread boost for reasons not warranted. His AnotherAlt account trolled me for a while in support of Royse777 before giving up.

For me what stood out was incompetence and gross negligence in the way she conducted herself throughout the Bitlucy scam therefore I had to give Royse777 negative trust. I 100% agree with the feedback you left her, I would also not trust Royse777 even for $0.01 deals.

Also, there are some things that I'm becoming aware of. For example, there is supposed to be some competition between Royse777 and yahoo62278 for the management of signature campaigns.

I thought campaign managers were in most part generally respectful towards one another and there was not much friction between them. Just look at the manner in which yahoo62278 has conducted himself throughout this process, not one person can say he has been harsh with Royse777 on the contrary he has been exemplary and somewhat generous towards her considering the failings on part of Royse777.

I do think on several occasions Royse777 has attacked those questioning her conduct (myself and yahoo62278 were included) and with that aggressive stance and anger issues she failed to compose herself and articulate herself in a more acceptable manner. Her own conduct did herself no favours at all.

[naim027]

At the time of his ban from the forum on May 19th, naim027 had already been hired by Royse777 as support staff for BitLucy casino.

Please do not spread new kind of misinformation. naim027 never worked in Bitlucy team. He was interviewed but was not hired as at that time there were enough members in the team.

I apologize if I'm spreading misinformation, but it's hard to tell who's telling the truth and who's lying these days.

I understand why you came to this conclusion because, in those screenshots, everything was almost ready to go.

I also mentioned that;

I figured out either Royse777 or Bitlucy Owner Deleted the group and cleared the conversation. So I am unable to submit the full conversation. But, at that time, I took three screenshots to give to my current employer.

Later Royse said it was he who deleted the recruitment group. I am still working at my current place.
I had a conversation with my current employer about bitlucy job offer, but later they didn't hire me. So, I didn't leave my current job and I am still doing my previous (current) job.

His AnotherAlt account trolled me for a while in support of Royse777 before giving up.

I still believe JollyFuck, AKA TrollyBag becomes a ghost hunter lately.
if you have nothing to do other than this, go and tag more 1xcraps so that you can get some joy. After all, you do it with passion.

[JollyGood]

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Wearing a bitcoincleanup.com signature and avatar will not portray a multiple level compulsive liar such as AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027 and Dic3L0v3r in a good light (and those are just his known alt-accounts). Even one of the low-level trolls that is part of a tiny clique and had earlier supported him in the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam threads has left a negative tag for him  

What cannot be denied is that Casino Critique took on naim027 as a team member while his account was banned, we all knew that as it was open information but only a select few were told Royse777 was behind Casino Critique therefore nobody outside that circle has the opportunity to question her about that disastrous decision.

Furthermore, Royse777 also knew that the AnotherAlt account was being operated by naim027 thus kept quiet about a ban evader. At that point the aptly named Dic3L0v3r account was known as the only alt-account naim027 operated. First the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam and then after that is this Casino Critique debacle including her dalliance with AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027 and Dic3L0v3r. The reputation of Royse777 is in tatters.

If the Casino Critique episode had not taken place I suppose I would have said to give it time and maybe she could rebuild her reputation but looking at the bigger picture now it will take a lot more and even then some of the red tags might never be revised.

[NotATether]

Furthermore, Royse777 also knew that the AnotherAlt account was being operated by naim027 thus kept quiet about a ban evader. At that point the aptly named Dic3L0v3r account was known as the only alt-account naim027 operated. First the Bitlucy/Royse777 scam and then after that is this Casino Critique debacle including her dalliance with AnotherAlt, Crypt0S0ul, naim027 and Dic3L0v3r. The reputation of Royse777 is in tatters.

If the Casino Critique episode had not taken place I suppose I would have said to give it time and maybe she could rebuild her reputation but looking at the bigger picture now it will take a lot more and even then some of the red tags might never be revised.

Before you jump the gun too quickly, you should remember that Casino Critique did not scam anyone so it is inaccurate to say that Royse777's association with it adversely affects his reputation.

[dkbit98]

Before you jump the gun too quickly, you should remember that Casino Critique did not scam anyone so it is inaccurate to say that Royse777's association with it adversely affects his reputation.

Wait until his fire goes out, and let's talk about that later... after witches sin was purged and cleaned by flames.

[JollyGood]

Before you jump the gun too quickly, you should remember that Casino Critique did not scam anyone so it is inaccurate to say that Royse777's association with it adversely affects his reputation.

Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems as though you contradicted yourself with a statement you made on 17th October 2022: PS. I was ready to invest 0.04 BTC with Casino Critique. I probably would not have had the confidence in doing so had I known that it was Royse777 raising the money, with him being fresh off the heels of the BitLucy snafu and all, with him saying he needs some time to cool down from it.

For what it is worth, I agree with you. Casino Critique did not scam anybody but just like you if I were on the verge of investing 0.04 BTC in a project, I would avoid investing in one that had Royse777 involved in it. By simply having Royse777 associated with any project would send out warning signals and alarm bells ringing to avoid it.

PS. I was ready to invest 0.04 BTC with Casino Critique. I probably would not have had the confidence in doing so had I known that it was Royse777 raising the money, with him being fresh off the heels of the BitLucy snafu and all, with him saying he needs some time to cool down from it.

[NotATether]

Before you jump the gun too quickly, you should remember that Casino Critique did not scam anyone so it is inaccurate to say that Royse777's association with it adversely affects his reputation.

Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems as though you contradicted yourself with a statement you made on 17th October 2022: PS. I was ready to invest 0.04 BTC with Casino Critique. I probably would not have had the confidence in doing so had I known that it was Royse777 raising the money, with him being fresh off the heels of the BitLucy snafu and all, with him saying he needs some time to cool down from it.

Yes, I did write that. No, it is not a contradiction. I wanted Royse to get some time to cool down before working on another gambling project, but he didn't take any break - it would've been better for him. That does not mean he was going to run off with investors money though - he refunded the only investment (0.005BTC) that was sent to him as soon as he announced the escrow structure was going to change.

[yahoo62278]

I wouldn't go so far to say that any project Royse777 was associated with was doomed to fail myself. I think NotATether is correct in saying Royse should have exhibited a cooldown period. Jumping from 1 failure straight into another project and hiding multiple facts showed me that Royse was not to be trusted. No, they didn't scam and with escrows in place I don't think scamming was possible (unless an escrow was talked into scamming, which is Ludacris due to both being pretty stand-up guys in the community), but if money was collected it would have been collected under false pretenses. It just seemed to go from a boo-hoo I got scammed by this guy to moving into a new project smeared in lies and deception. With a cooler head, maybe they would have come to their senses and started fresh without the lied and deception, maybe not I don't know these days.

[JollyGood]

Yes, I did write that. No, it is not a contradiction. I wanted Royse to get some time to cool down before working on another gambling project, but he didn't take any break - it would've been better for him. That does not mean he was going to run off with investors money though - he refunded the only investment (0.005BTC) that was sent to him as soon as he announced the escrow structure was going to change.

Thank you for the clarification. A cooling off period may well have helped because the time from one debacle ending and the other starting was too close but regardless what did not help was the secrecy surrounding the main protagonist behind Casino Critique.

I wouldn't go so far to say that any project Royse777 was associated with was doomed to fail myself. I think NotATether is correct in saying Royse should have exhibited a cooldown period. Jumping from 1 failure straight into another project and hiding multiple facts showed me that Royse was not to be trusted.

As mentioned above, I think we both have the same take on this.

No, they didn't scam and with escrows in place I don't think scamming was possible (unless an escrow was talked into scamming, which is Ludacris due to both being pretty stand-up guys in the community), but if money was collected it would have been collected under false pretenses. It just seemed to go from a boo-hoo I got scammed by this guy to moving into a new project smeared in lies and deception. With a cooler head, maybe they would have come to their senses and started fresh without the lied and deception, maybe not I don't know these days.

Maybe as you suggest if she had taken things slowly (over say six months to a year) and maybe tried to be part owner of a another project with clearer thinking, then maybe things would have been different.

I could be wrong but I think having escrow in place was part of the plan that gave the project an air of respectability or trustworthiness. Put it this way if the project had Royse777 attaching her name to it from the start how many would have taken any interest in it?

Anyway, right now, is the project really going ahead and who are the current team members? Royse777 closed the Casino Critique thread being used as an ANN here and that last message about going solely on Telegram as the thread had no use seems like a scapegoat.

[Poker Player]

He has started a signature campaign in a self-moderated thread. Logical I guess.

[OPEN] SINBAD MIXER Signature Campaign. Up-to $75/w | Payment escrowed

I personally have nothing against him.

I suppose much of the problem we have seen is due to relying heavily on forum income. That's why he didn't have a cooling-off period after Bitlucy.

I generally recommend to anyone that they have a lot of life outside the forum, and especially that most of their income comes from non-forum sources. I suppose there are some exceptions but for 99.9% of people relying heavily on forum income is a big risk.

[LoyceV]

I could be wrong but I think having escrow in place was part of the plan that gave the project an air of respectability or trustworthiness.

Obviously, that's why anyone offers to use escrow.

He has started a signature campaign in a self-moderated thread. Logical I guess.

[OPEN] SINBAD MIXER Signature Campaign. Up-to $75/w | Payment escrowed

It claims to have "Payment escrowed", which is a lie:

As a campaign manager to guarantee your payment I am holding 0.0984 btc (≈ $2,000)

I wouldn't trust anyone with money problems to act as escrow.

I suppose much of the problem we have seen is due to relying heavily on forum income. That's why he didn't have a cooling-off period after Bitlucy.

I got the same impression.

I generally recommend to anyone that they have a lot of life outside the forum, and especially that most of their income comes from non-forum sources.

That's easy if you live in a country with high wages, but in many countries the average salary is less than you can earn from a Bitcointalk signature campaign.

[JollyGood]

In the end most of the dynamics in the forum are related to income and money generating. There are too many people using the forum for signature campaigns for most of their income because many are from countries where the monthly average income is less than what they can receive by enrolling on a signature campaign.

Once they look at the statistics, they then start looking at whether alt-accounts are a possibility and most of them cannot be blamed for thinking like that as money is the driving force and maybe that was the issue behind naim027 and all his known alt-accounts.

None of us know about the background situation to Royse777, we have no idea what her domestic situation is like but if memory serves correct there was an allegation and possible admission that Royse777 was not the original creator of the account which if true could mean that financial motive was there from the beginning if an account was purchased. I am fairly sure those were attributed to Royse777 in the past but if I have it wrong, simply regard the comment I made.

Having said that, maybe pressures of a domestic nature or a financial stress (coming from someone living in what I think is still considered as a relatively deprived country) got the better of her. To be clear, probably tens of thousands of others that have used this forum have gone through a situation where they can earn more here in a month than they can earn working their regular job.

He has started a signature campaign in a self-moderated thread. Logical I guess.

[OPEN] SINBAD MIXER Signature Campaign. Up-to $75/w | Payment escrowed

I personally have nothing against him.

I suppose much of the problem we have seen is due to relying heavily on forum income. That's why he didn't have a cooling-off period after Bitlucy.

I generally recommend to anyone that they have a lot of life outside the forum, and especially that most of their income comes from non-forum sources. I suppose there are some exceptions but for 99.9% of people relying heavily on forum income is a big risk.