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October 04, 2022, 05:29:14 PM
Last edit: October 04, 2022, 05:55:07 PM by goldkingcoiner
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A delusional explanation, if in the last paragraph they didn’t mention that people like to bet on beautiful numbers, then this whole explanation could be safely thrown into the trash. The penultimate paragraph is completely superfluous - I got the impression that this explanation was written only to demonstrate their own mathematical skills.
I wonder, those who still doubt the honesty of this lottery, how do they explain the phenomenal number of winners? As "a simple and imperceptible way for anyone" to steal the winnings among "your people"? Seriously?

Well there was a 1 in 29 million chance that those exact numbers fell out by pure coincidence. But that probability would go up if you consider all the relevant lotteries in the world. So somewhere, at some point in time, a lottery would definitely spit out those exact numbers.

All those winners were superstitious gamblers who just bet on the multiples of 9 every time then sounds like a good explanation.

But what about other "beautiful numbers"? Why have we not seen this happen before? That might be a better question to ask ourselves before we start high-roading a guy with a PhD.


Its obviously possible but its so unlikely that it feels rigged. I don't what exactly they were aiming at. But its known that some machines may be rigged with hot and cold balls (I am not very sure tho)
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.

It's as likely as any other combination.

It just feels wrong because of how humans perceive statistics.

For example, if you throw a dice one time and it's a 6, that doesn't change the fact that the next roll has 1/6 chances of being another 6. If there's a second 6 in a row that also doesn't change the fact the next roll still has 1/6 chances of being a 6, but at that moment lots of people would think that it's way less probable to have another 6 than the actual probability, which is 1/6.

I agree with you. Each new roll does not depend on the previous one, so I do not exclude the fact that the combination could well be accidental.

Even if the lottery is run by the government, it makes no sense for them to manipulate the results, because that would lead to a reduction in lottery sales, if not a scandal. Lottery owners make a lot of money even without faking the results. Therefore, I personally think that they are not interested in cheating.

The probability of getting two same rolls in a row is a perspective of a starting point. If you have not rolled the dice yet, then the probability of you getting both rolls with the same number is (1/6)*(1/6) = 1/36 (about 2.77%). The "endpoint" probability is what is important here. I think that might be the thing you guys are confused by. In other words, you could flip a coin and try to get heads 100 times in a row. It would not be as easy as getting heads twice in a row, would it?

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October 04, 2022, 06:48:50 PM
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Statistically speaking, when it comes to possibility, yes the winning numbers are possible although obviously chances to hit that set of numbers are really difficult. It's an even more high chance to be struck by lightning compared to hitting numbers 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54.

I feel sad for the real bettor who trusts that numbers. Maybe when the numbers was picked, that bettor is now rejoicing for a big win but surprisingly, there are other 432 winners that will be part of the share on the jackpot.
You know what's sadder? That is if the bettor trust that number for a long time and then switch out to a new number thinking that its a bad number and boom it suddenly came out one day but I think this is becoming a mainstream for a lottery bettor and some will just move on easily.

Lottery bettors know that it's also possible for other people to win so the first thing that they will do is to check out the number of winners before saying that they win the full amount but it's not even full as there are huge taxes that will be deducted through it. This the disadvantage of those government based lotteries because they can get too much cut for our winnings but I think this isn't experienced in crypto lotteries.

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October 04, 2022, 07:31:52 PM
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I wonder when the organizers of the lottery will guess to publish statistics on the combinations on which the largest number of people bet money? I think someone bets on 1,2,3,4,5,6 and someone on 3,13,23,33,43,53, etc. Obviously, if they prove that many people bet on certain combinations of numbers, then the result of this lottery draw will not raise questions even for those who do not understand anything about statistics. Or the organizers do not have the opportunity to obtain such data?

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October 04, 2022, 08:13:39 PM
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I wonder when the organizers of the lottery will guess to publish statistics on the combinations on which the largest number of people bet money? I think someone bets on 1,2,3,4,5,6 and someone on 3,13,23,33,43,53, etc. Obviously, if they prove that many people bet on certain combinations of numbers, then the result of this lottery draw will not raise questions even for those who do not understand anything about statistics. Or the organizers do not have the opportunity to obtain such data?

It is certainly possible. The processing of such statistical data in today's IT age is no problem at all.
Do you have live TV coverage of your state lottery? If so, they almost always announce after each draw whether the jackpot has been drawn and how many winners there are in that round. That means that the computer processes all winning combinations of paid tickets at the moment when all the numbers are drawn.

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October 04, 2022, 08:20:46 PM
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The possibilities are always there, but the odds are contradictory.
Plus, the suspicion became even stronger when the report about 1 bettor with 2 jackpot winning tickets surfaced in the internet.
https://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2022/10/3/one-bettor-owned-two-winning-tickets-PCSO-grand-lotto.html
Though you can always do it even with 3 or more tickets, but that doesn't really make sense because you yourself knew there could only be 1 or 2 person in the country that has the same combination as you.
Your initiative would always prefer to bet on a different combination for you to increase the probability of winning with 2 tickets in a different combinations.

Well, investigation will be conducted for this as this news became viral, and I guess only the lottery outlets where these 433 jackpot winners placed their bets could solve this issue with an accurate data and evidence.

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October 04, 2022, 09:12:23 PM
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Technically anything and everything is statistically possible isn't it? I'm not familiar with this lottery in particular, and it would come as no surprise to me if lottery's were cheating like this, but I think it's entirely possible, although of course unlikely. 

This is why I don't play the lotto.  "You can't win if you don't play" I get that, but I just don't trust it overall.

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