433 Winners to split $4,015,156.265 6/55 Grand Lotto Jackpot

[Road21Bitcoin]

Hot News in the Philippines:



Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/10/01/22/433-winners-to-split-p236m-655-grand-lotto-jackpot


Other info:

Jackpot Prize: $4,015,156.265

The Winning Combination is 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54 (it's divisible by 9)

58.80 Pesos equivalent to $1

433 Winners

The winners will receive $9,272.878 each (not including the tax)


Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

[livingfree]

Wow, that's a lot of winners.

And the first thing that when a jackpot like this in a grand lotto is won by hundreds of people, 433 to be specific, it's all about being coordinated bets at different locations.

Like there's someone who has leaked the winning combination but I don't think that's possible if the draw itself is televised and supervised. Since it's a hot issue, sure that there will be investigators about it but if it's a real thing. Then, congrats to the winners. 

[bisdak40]

Somehow this is funny for me because this might be the first of its kind, I mean how in the world that almost half a thousand won that lotto ticket where the probability of winning this kind of gambling is close to none but here we are, waking to a piece of very intriguing news.

Nonetheless, this is legit because these winners will be verified and I think the agency in charge will release the correct number of winners who have claimed their prizes and they won't be anonymous anymore as their winnings is not a lot of money that can compromise their safety.

[Botnake]

This is the first time, probably this will be put in the guinness world record.

I believe there are irregularities here, it could be manipulated, and it's nice to know that some senators from the Philippines wants a probe on this one.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1673977/minority-senators-seek-probe-on-extraordinary-grand-lotto-draw

MANILA, Philippines — Minority senators are seeking an investigation into the “extraordinary” Grand Lotto draw where 433 bettors all got the winning combination for the ₱236 million jackpot.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III and Senator Risa Hontiveros on Sunday said a Senate resolution is needed to allay suspicion of irregularity in the results of the lottery that is managed by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO).

[YuginKadoya]

This is pretty much highly Improbable to happen and the possibility of it happening is pretty much small, it could be a coincidence but many people are not really buying it, well right now the government is investigating this matter, but for me, this is the 1st time this has happened but it really can happen and for me, I am not saying that this is a Lotto Gambling Heist but there is a thinking in the back on my mind that it is pretty unusual so I will let the government investigation check this out 1st  before getting into a conclusion well if this is a Lotto Gambling Heist it is not an elaborate one and people on the PCSO will surely use this to their personal gain,

The Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office PCSO was formed in the year 1934 so it is 88 years since that year, that is why it is highly trusted by many and because it is working on some charity work means a small percentage of the ticket sales will go to charity and it has changed many lives in the Philippines so it is surely trusted until this incident happen, but I am waiting for further investigation if those winners would likely show themselves or be identified by the government to be legit.

[Japinat]

There should be an investigation because people are not buying their explanation.

This is the time that we will know if there's really corruption in PCSO or not.
Providing the ticket would be impossible if this is manipulated, so as a gambler, I like to find out if they are really telling the truth.

Good luck to the officials on answering during the investigation, my guess is there are people here that will be jailed after the investigation.HOPEFULLY!

[Boristhecat]

There should be an investigation because people are not buying their explanation.

This is the time that we will know if there's really corruption in PCSO or not.
Providing the ticket would be impossible if this is manipulated, so as a gambler, I like to find out if they are really telling the truth.

Good luck to the officials on answering during the investigation, my guess is there are people here that will be jailed after the investigation.HOPEFULLY!

433 lucky people who guessed 6 numbers really looks like something incredible. But maybe the secret is that it's a "beautiful" sequence (all numbers are divisible by 9) and some people like to bet on beautiful sequences. So when such a sequence falls out, we have many winners. I am sure that if the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 5,10,15,20,25,30 fell out, then there would also be a lot of winners, perhaps even more than in this case.

[Jemzx00]

This is the first time, probably this will be put in the guinness world record.

I believe there are irregularities here, it could be manipulated, and it's nice to know that some senators from the Philippines wants a probe on this one.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1673977/minority-senators-seek-probe-on-extraordinary-grand-lotto-draw

MANILA, Philippines — Minority senators are seeking an investigation into the “extraordinary” Grand Lotto draw where 433 bettors all got the winning combination for the ₱236 million jackpot.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III and Senator Risa Hontiveros on Sunday said a Senate resolution is needed to allay suspicion of irregularity in the results of the lottery that is managed by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO).

There are a lot of coincidence that happened on this lotto results especially with how statically impossible for it to occur. Along with how the lotto numbers are divisible by 9, the amount of winners is almost impossible which is why various probability and statistics major are coming in to provide how unlikely for it to happen.

It's great to know that the senators are also suspicious of how this happened and hopefully we will be given definitive proof that there's no abnormalities and manipulation happened. I am looking forward for especially that Senator Risa Hontiveros are unto it.

[virasisog]

There should be an investigation because people are not buying their explanation.

This is the time that we will know if there's really corruption in PCSO or not.
Providing the ticket would be impossible if this is manipulated, so as a gambler, I like to find out if they are really telling the truth.

Good luck to the officials on answering during the investigation, my guess is there are people here that will be jailed after the investigation.HOPEFULLY!

433 lucky people who guessed 6 numbers really look like something incredible. But maybe the secret is that it's a "beautiful" sequence (all numbers are divisible by 9) and some people like to bet on beautiful sequences. So when such a sequence falls out, we have many winners. I am sure that if the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 5,10,15,20,25,30 fell out, then there would also be a lot of winners, perhaps even more than in this case.

Maybe there are just a huge number of people who have the same number combination. Some people don't prefer complex combinations and focus on the basics and surprisingly, they all won the same day. The PCSO held a press conference regarding the result since lots of people are getting more suspicious about it. They even released the location of 433 winners but most people are still not fully convinced.

[Slow death]

It is very difficult that there can be so many winners at the same time, there is probably some scheme with these victories, but the question is how would it be possible for them to scheme with so many people? how could more than 400 people be part of the scheme? or could it be that some are part of the scheme but in order not to raise too much suspicion (not to be connected) they decided to add more than 400 people so as not to track them down, in any case if they do some investigation and conclude that there was no scheme and that all was done with utmost rigor and honesty so this will be the first case in the world where there are more than 400 winners at the same time

[KTChampions]

  Damn this is so funny!

It turns out that we are seeing in real life the dumbest thing that can be imagined in relation to lotteries.

1. People choose "pretty" numbers.
2. This increases the number of winners -> reduces the winnings of each of them.
3. Such a result undermines the credibility of the lottery and gives rise to suspicions of its honesty.

As a result, absolutely everyone ends up in a (relative) loss. LOL!

[Baofeng]

Yeah, read that news locally as well, and you really have to think if there is irregularities or simply coincidence that this happen and the odds of it happening.

I guess they have decided that they should have a winner already. But it should be split up to many winners and then draw that number,  . But if I don't like the idea that it should be look at by the PH Senate, such a waste of time and budget for them. This is not a priority.

[bitbollo]

How many people are usually able to guess this winning sestine?

Anyway... I think it went well for them ... it is still a quite considerable sum even if it is not a life-changing sum ...

This event it reminds me of a similar fact that happened in Italy some years ago.
Many players have guessed the "13" at the "Totocalcio" (the best you can get).
But the results were so simple to guess that the final prize pool was divided into so many winners who ... practically won 30 euro each!

Imagine that a retired friend of mine had guessed that coupon.
The same evening he had a great dinner with his grandchildren spending 10 times, convinced of who knows what huge prize money he would receive

[Viscore]

Wow, that's a lot of winners.

And the first thing that when a jackpot like this in a grand lotto is won by hundreds of people, 433 to be specific, it's all about being coordinated bets at different locations.

Like there's someone who has leaked the winning combination but I don't think that's possible if the draw itself is televised and supervised. Since it's a hot issue, sure that there will be investigators about it but if it's a real thing. Then, congrats to the winners. 

Everyone was surprised about the number of winners we have at the previous lottery draw as usually, there's only 1 or 2 winners who will win the jackpot. But this time its very unusual. But i also don't think the game is rigged or someone has leaked the winning combination as the draw game is in live. Let's just say these people are just lucky enough, and we should also be happy for them so they can enjoy their winning amount.

[coin-investor]

This is the first time, probably this will be put in the guinness world record.

I believe there are irregularities here, it could be manipulated, and it's nice to know that some senators from the Philippines wants a probe on this one.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1673977/minority-senators-seek-probe-on-extraordinary-grand-lotto-draw

MANILA, Philippines — Minority senators are seeking an investigation into the “extraordinary” Grand Lotto draw where 433 bettors all got the winning combination for the ₱236 million jackpot.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III and Senator Risa Hontiveros on Sunday said a Senate resolution is needed to allay suspicion of irregularity in the results of the lottery that is managed by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO).

There are a lot of coincidence that happened on this lotto results especially with how statically impossible for it to occur. Along with how the lotto numbers are divisible by 9, the amount of winners is almost impossible which is why various probability and statistics major are coming in to provide how unlikely for it to happen.

It's great to know that the senators are also suspicious of how this happened and hopefully we will be given definitive proof that there's no abnormalities and manipulation happened. I am looking forward for especially that Senator Risa Hontiveros are unto it.

We already have a similar topic to this thread

Is this statistically possible in a lottery?

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there was never controversy in the Philippine lottery until this happen, this is something the management has no control over, I still believe in the results, as manipulating the result will make the government lose by billions of pesos but I welcome the investigation so things can be clarified and all doubts and suspicious will vanish or if there are irregularities, heads should roll, this lottery is supported by the majority of the people so it should be above suspicion.

[Yogee]

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

What's with the eye roll? Looks like you are leaning towards manipulation with that kind of reaction.

The thing is that it's hard to prove something went wrong by just crunching the numbers that are available. I mean being divisible by 9 is not enough evidence. I bet out of millions buying tickets that there are also hundreds using numbers divisible by five or four.

[theskillzdatklls]

I guess use government sanctioned anything and you get rekt.

Use Provably Fair software whenever possible.

That's the only lesson you can really take away from this. Should already be known by anyone with a brain anyway.

[PX-Z]

You will be awe and also a funny thing how such so many number wins. Manipulation is quite possible but is hard to prove on how it works and it manipulated. Well, its all about being lucky and randomness of what numbers come out. I don't think senate probe will do something or debunk something. It will just a long process and a waste of money/budget there.

[goinmerry]

Like there's someone who has leaked the winning combination but I don't think that's possible if the draw itself is televised and supervised.

The manipulation is not through the winning ball combinations but they can add fake winners for the prize to be split in more.

I know it's possible that a winning combination that is divisible by 9 can really happen even at 0.000000001% but there's no way to determine how many real winners really got those number combinations.

433 jackpot winners at the same time are insane. It needs an investigation.

[TimeTeller]

Like there's someone who has leaked the winning combination but I don't think that's possible if the draw itself is televised and supervised.

The manipulation is not through the winning ball combinations but they can add fake winners for the prize to be split in more.

I know it's possible that a winning combination that is divisible by 9 can really happen even at 0.000000001% but there's no way to determine how many real winners really got those number combinations.

433 jackpot winners at the same time are insane. It needs an investigation.

I also thought that winning lottery jackpot is one in a million. But here, they are hundreds.
We don't know the absolute truth here, if there are other fake winners or not.
But I am sure, not all of them can claim their winnings, as some may have lost their ticket or forgot their ticket.
But this is the first time that I have heard lotto jackpot winners with such big number.
People are getting good in predicting the winning combinations???

[chaser15]

Really a suspicious one. I think this is the first time in the whole world lottery news that the number of jackpot winners went up to 433 winners.

That seems impossible to believe as it's really a rare case that those 433 people will pick that crazy combination of jackpot numbers.

Let's see what PCSO will say about this.

[electronicash]

Really a suspicious one. I think this is the first time in the whole world lottery news that the number of jackpot winners went up to 433 winners.

That seems impossible to believe as it's really a rare case that those 433 people will pick that crazy combination of jackpot numbers.

Let's see what PCSO will say about this.

very rare.
its a small amount to be laundered this way. but a discussion like this blurted out in a party i've been where in our country that lottery is one way of doing it. but if this is true. its good to see many winners, people are struggling due to unemployment.

[Doell]

Impossible but it already happened, if under 10 people the winner may not be in doubt, because usually not more than that. Logically, 400 people have the same prediction, it is very unreasonable if for lotto gambling, I personally have negative thoughts about it, could be there indications of cheating from some of any employees at there or anything else.

[Jemzx00]

There was never controversy in the Philippine lottery until this happen, this is something the management has no control over, I still believe in the results, as manipulating the result will make the government lose by billions of pesos but I welcome the investigation so things can be clarified and all doubts and suspicious will vanish or if there are irregularities, heads should roll, this lottery is supported by the majority of the people so it should be above suspicion.

Actually, the controversy has always been there but only a few believe in it and sometimes I believe in it as well especially when there are suspicious draws happening like this one. I think this kind of controversy on lotto also exists in another country as well which involves people laundering money. There would be effect to PCSO if these will proven fake or there was a really a manipulation happened however I doubt that it will affect them as much since there will always be people who will try their luck on the lottery.

What's with the eye roll? Looks like you are leaning towards manipulation with that kind of reaction.

The thing is that it's hard to prove something went wrong by just crunching the numbers that are available. I mean being divisible by 9 is not enough evidence. I bet out of millions buying tickets that there are also hundreds using numbers divisible by five or four.

For me who lives in the same country where this happened, I think the eye roll which signifies manipulation of the lottery draw is appropriate. Other than the lottery numbers drawn which are divisible by 9, the amount of winners is also suspicious as that amount is nearly impossible to happen. You can try to check all supporting computations on how much this is impossible to happen from all the probabilities and statics majors. Also, Even the government is eyeing to check on the legitimacy of the result.

[coin-investor]

Really a suspicious one. I think this is the first time in the whole world lottery news that the number of jackpot winners went up to 433 winners.

That seems impossible to believe as it's really a rare case that those 433 people will pick that crazy combination of jackpot numbers.

Let's see what PCSO will say about this.

I've seen the video because it is held live for the audiences to see, I didn't see any irregularities just like all the other draws for the past many years, the combination is weird 09-45-36-27-18-54, and the winning combinations when you add up ended in digit 9, this is something out of this world 433 winners and all the number ended in number 9, I think the commission that will investigate should get a good mathematician to check the probabilities and interview some of the winners if they picked the lucky pick or they are taking care of their numbers by betting on it many times.

[crzy]

Is this the most winning lottery of all time? I can't find any in google so maybe this is a record breaking.
There's a lot of issues with our lottery system and even the legislator are doubting about the result of this lottery, now they want to investigate this. Though the PCSO are very confident that the data is correct and the winners can start claiming their reward. This might look impossible, but with our current corrupt system everything is possible.  

[aioc]

Is this the most winning lottery of all time? I can't find any in google so maybe this is a record breaking.
There's a lot of issues with our lottery system and even the legislator are doubting about the result of this lottery, now they want to investigate this. Though the PCSO are very confident that the data is correct and the winners can start claiming their reward. This might look impossible, but with our current corrupt system everything is possible.  

This is the first time here in the Philippines, we are used to seeing 3 to 5 winners in a jackpot but never that big number my social feeds are full of this news and so are the news daily, this is very controversial but based on what I've read, it's not really impossible to have that huge numbers but what is rarer and mind-boggling are all the number combinations when you add it up ended n number 9, the lottery denied any anomaly but we'll see that since the senate will launch an investigation, but I think it will be futile and just a waste of time as the draw was held live and why would they picked that big numbers of winners it will just put their credibility on the line.

[Daltonik]

There can be both manipulation and an honest draw, and nothing will change from what the PCSO says, if there are no internal leaks from the organizer or an independent investigation, but just the number of winners can also indicate an honest lottery.

[cabron]

Is this the most winning lottery of all time? I can't find any in google so maybe this is a record breaking.
There's a lot of issues with our lottery system and even the legislator are doubting about the result of this lottery, now they want to investigate this. Though the PCSO are very confident that the data is correct and the winners can start claiming their reward. This might look impossible, but with our current corrupt system everything is possible.  

Investigating things like this is non sense. 1-3 winners or 433 will not have any difference all the money goes to the winners even if this is manipulated or not. There are more things to do in the government than waste the time investigating a corrupt system.

Its odd but if the lottery system manipulates it to have more winners regularly, what else can be done? People will be happy and don't they want people to be happy? $9,272.878 each is not so bad. 

[PX-Z]

but based on what I've read, it's not really impossible to have that huge numbers but what is rarer and mind-boggling are all the number combinations when you add it up ended n number 9

It's not really impossible to have such number of winners since most people participate to this kind of lottery have their own number patterns, analysis and etc. The winning result is just pure coincidence that is divisible by 9.

The senate hearing like i said will be a waste of time, PCSO will just show them the copy of all winning tickets, or those 433 will testified, and last sort is showing the machine or software used for generating random number result.

If there is cheating happened the questions are, why just now?
If not, so all the jackpot winners in the past were all fixed? If those were all fixed we should see a pattern of winners, like most of them have family related to PCSO, government, etc. but its not. I'll say it again, this is just pure coincidence.

[Baofeng]

but based on what I've read, it's not really impossible to have that huge numbers but what is rarer and mind-boggling are all the number combinations when you add it up ended n number 9

It's not really impossible to have such number of winners since most people participate to this kind of lottery have their own number patterns, analysis and etc. The winning result is just pure coincidence that is divisible by 9.

The senate hearing like i said will be a waste of time, PCSO will just show them the copy of all winning tickets, or those 433 will testified, and last sort is showing the machine or software used for generating random number result.

If there is cheating happened the questions are, why just now?
If not, so all the jackpot winners in the past were all fixed? If those were all fixed we should see a pattern of winners, like most of them have family related to PCSO, government, etc. but its not. I'll say it again, this is just pure coincidence.

Perhaps because it did make a lot of noise in public that even the Senate want to see if there is no cheating or not.

It's not about the previous winners, it's about the current results because we are questioning it this is just a coincidence or not.  It really looks suspicious in the beginning, but for me, this is just might be what we call betting behaviors, wherein we  bet on numbers that we usually do for many years. And it just so happen that you can just write in a straight line those numbers as easy as that and then hit the winner numbers. So again this is possible and as you have said, just pure coincidence.

[Fortify]

Hot News in the Philippines:

Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/10/01/22/433-winners-to-split-p236m-655-grand-lotto-jackpot

Other info:

Jackpot Prize: $4,015,156.265

The Winning Combination is 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54 (it's divisible by 9)

58.80 Pesos equivalent to $1

433 Winners

The winners will receive $9,272.878 each (not including the tax)

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

Maybe I'm being a bit pessimistic, but that seems like a relatively low amount to win when you consider you had to pick 6 numbers. I might be rather disappointed when finding out there was a $4 million jackpot but it ended up getting split among so many people that it was diluted so far down. I guess it can still go a rather long way in the Phillipines and if you consider the cost to enter then you're still up a massive amount. It makes me wonder how many other people follow similar patterns, like multiples of ten, when participating in these lotteries on a regular basis. Anyway, let's hope that a substantial chunk of ticket revenue goes towards charity causes as well.

[serjent05]

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

Anyone can speculate of the possible rig but the problem is how to prove it.  Besides there is also a government representative during the draw so basically this representative would be the witness of fair lotto draw unless this person is charged of corruption of colluding with the PCSO of rigging the result.

Of course, it is possible to have that kind of combination.  I wonder, they don't question when the lottery agency draws a winning number and no one win, then they questioned the result when lots of people win the grand jackpot.  If they are suspicious about it, why not investigate the people who happen to have the winning ticket?  After all, if the machine and balls are rigged, they probably had it fixed already.

[crzy]

Is this the most winning lottery of all time? I can't find any in google so maybe this is a record breaking.
There's a lot of issues with our lottery system and even the legislator are doubting about the result of this lottery, now they want to investigate this. Though the PCSO are very confident that the data is correct and the winners can start claiming their reward. This might look impossible, but with our current corrupt system everything is possible.  

Investigating things like this is non sense. 1-3 winners or 433 will not have any difference all the money goes to the winners even if this is manipulated or not. There are more things to do in the government than waste the time investigating a corrupt system.

Its odd but if the lottery system manipulates it to have more winners regularly, what else can be done? People will be happy and don't they want people to be happy? $9,272.878 each is not so bad. 

The problem here, they can hire people just to pretend he won the lottery and it can happen as well even on a single winner with a huge amount of reward, this is why many loses their trust to this agency because of the corruption. Investigating this wont be a waste of time if the government really want to clean the agency and free from corruption, this can also a way to regain the trust of the public and to kill the issue of corruption.

[wheelz1200]

Honestly I wish the US had splits like that.  Usually it's only won by or in some cases a coue people.  No need to have someone win $billion all on theor own.  20 people winning $50million each still changes theor lives and touches more people.  Was always supportive of more winners. 

[Lanatsa]

Honestly I wish the US had splits like that.  Usually it's only won by or in some cases a coue people.  No need to have someone win $billion all on theor own.  20 people winning $50million each still changes theor lives and touches more people.  Was always supportive of more winners. 

Thats personal preference and liking but we do know on how lottery works which would really be needing that extreme luck for you to hit up and lets just accept if there are sole winners of the said jackpot.

We cant really hold off on what would gonna happen but on this one then it is truly that mind boggling or having questions on what the heck do happen on why there are lots of winners

considering that number combinations cant really be that possible on having those hundreds of bettors hitting on the same combination.I do agree that this might be rigged.

[Yogee]

What's with the eye roll? Looks like you are leaning towards manipulation with that kind of reaction.

The thing is that it's hard to prove something went wrong by just crunching the numbers that are available. I mean being divisible by 9 is not enough evidence. I bet out of millions buying tickets that there are also hundreds using numbers divisible by five or four.

For me who lives in the same country where this happened, I think the eye roll which signifies manipulation of the lottery draw is appropriate. Other than the lottery numbers drawn which are divisible by 9, the amount of winners is also suspicious as that amount is nearly impossible to happen. You can try to check all supporting computations on how much this is impossible to happen from all the probabilities and statics majors.

Sure you can play with all the numbers you want but you still cannot rule out the possibility that few individuals pick numbers "playfully". How many tickets were bought for that draw? I bet it's in millions.

Also, Even the government is eyeing to check on the legitimacy of the result.

Are you referring to the Senate investigation that was posted in the first page? I highly doubt their "expertise" when it comes to finding out any manipulation in this. They are probably just riding the hype and finish the "checking" without any real result.

[coin-investor]

Anyway, let's hope that a substantial chunk of ticket revenue goes towards charity causes as well.

The Philippine National Lottery is being run by PCSO and it's a government agency and a big chunk o the profit goes to charity

The PCSO is mandated to set aside 30 percent of its revenue for charity, 55 percent for prizes, and 15 percent for its operation. All balances of any funds in the PCSO will form part of the charity fund.

it sustains the poor sectors and those who need financial and medical needs, majority of the people support the lottery because one time or many times their relatives or themselves have asked for help from this agency, I would never want this lottery stop, but they should get rid of corruptions if there's any.

[ultrloa]

To difficult to understand why such thing happen while in the odds to win in lottery is so low and there's more higher chance that we get hit by lightning than winning the jackpot. So I guess what's happening there is pure manipulation and there's someone doing some nasty action there.

Government should do investigation towards that incident since most likely having 433 winners is something impossible to happen.

[harizen]

I don't mind if that lucky 9 hits the winning jackpot combination. Even though it's almost close to impossible that the result was skip counting by 9, we can't do anything if that really the result. What I was surprised by is the number of jackpot winners which really makes me think that there's a fraud there.

Maybe they want to split that big prize for more in favor of them but in reality, there might be only 1-2 winners.

It's even more difficult to have up to 2 winners for every jackpot and here, a whooping 433 winners.

[EdenHazard]

As everyone might have expressed above ... we are all agree that math never lies , human nature do . Sorry to say that most asians i have ever met had a very strong corrupt mentality ( no offense intended ) just my personal experience and this might caused by that.

This strory waaaay too makes no sense but a real life troll, period.

[chaser15]

There are winners who already claimed their money at the PCSO office.

They are showing their tickets to the media to prove they are really legit.

But I think it's only less than 10 who already claimed there. Let's wait for that 433 in a 1-year span.

[goinmerry]

As everyone might have expressed above ... we are all agree that math never lies , human nature do . Sorry to say that most asians i have ever met had a very strong corrupt mentality ( no offense intended ) just my personal experience and this might caused by that.

This strory waaaay too makes no sense but a real life troll, period.

I don't know why PCSO didn't even think that there will really be a criticism once they released the 433 winners.

Even if that's really legit, it's really hard to accept it in any way. The jackpot is so huge that makes me think that they don't want that money to end up in 1 or 2 winners that's why they take advantage of it.

[Mahanton]

There are winners who already claimed their money at the PCSO office.

They are showing their tickets to the media to prove they are really legit.

But I think it's only less than 10 who already claimed there. Let's wait for that 433 in a 1-year span.

I do believe that it would really be just good for 1 week span for those prizes to be claimed.Basing up on calculations even its been split 433 times then it would be still a life changing amount for those people who do
live on 3rd world countries or developing ones.Its better rather than having nothing at all and considering on whats the ticket price then this is something that you would be thriving it get it as much as possible.
This is really an unusual kind of events or something that doesnt happen in a long time specially on a lottery which is mostly be won by 1 or 2 people on every draw or it does takes long.
Considering the odds on hitting up a jackpot then it is really hard to believe on how many had able to do that.

[lienfaye]

As everyone might have expressed above ... we are all agree that math never lies , human nature do . Sorry to say that most asians i have ever met had a very strong corrupt mentality ( no offense intended ) just my personal experience and this might caused by that.

This strory waaaay too makes no sense but a real life troll, period.

I don't know why PCSO didn't even think that there will really be a criticism once they released the 433 winners.

Even if that's really legit, it's really hard to accept it in any way. The jackpot is so huge that makes me think that they don't want that money to end up in 1 or 2 winners that's why they take advantage of it.

I have doubt as well if these 433 winners are real and not an agenda of the people behind to get a portion of the prize. There are winners already who showed their tickets to prove that they're really legit however many winners are still not showing up.  If im not mistaken this is the first time in PH history to have such number of winners. Lottery is a game of chance we know it's also possible to happen, but they must prove that no irregularity happened by showing the tickets of all the winners.

[Saisher]

There's also a story of one bettor who bet the same numbers for the last ten years and he is disappointed because he has to share the winnings with 433 bettors, even the managers of the lotto agency is at a loss on what happened to the draw, but he already assured everybody that the drawing is clean and beyond reasonable doubt and they are open to investigation, this is one for the record and can be considered in the Guinness book of world record.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

433 Winners

The winners will receive $9,272.878 each (not including the tax)


Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

I don't know and can't know if the result has been manipulated, but even if it is statistically curious, it is perfectly probable.

What I am happy about is that the prize is distributed among so many people, especially in a country like the Philippines. That 433 people will receive between 7 and 8 million $ after taxes, in their local currency, is much better than the prize going to just one person. With so many people, as well as spreading the wealth of the jackpot more evenly, it is more likely that the money will be put to good use, even if there are some who squander it.

[Strongkored]

-snip-
Jackpot Prize: $4,015,156.265

The Winning Combination is 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54 (it's divisible by 9)

58.80 Pesos equivalent to $1

433 Winners

The winners will receive $9,272.878 each (not including the tax)


Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

This reminds me of a film starring Jim Carey (forgot the title of the film) everyone wins by a very small amount 
but this is much greater, it's just that it's definitely not what is expected because when talking about the jackpot there will only be 1 winner.
However with the Philippines economy, isn't the value obtained quite large? So those who get it will be happy with it.
Investigations must do if this is the first time happened and there may be manipulation of the winners

[acroman08]

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

with that eye-roll, it seems like you are being sarcastic when you say "the winners defied the odds?". anyway, despite me thinking that there was no manipulation, I think an investigation should be done to prove no manipulation happened but knowing how Filipinos react to this kind of situation, they won't believe it(or at least the majority) if it was proven no manipulation happened.

[Pierre 2]

Main reason why winners are like 433 is obvious. It goes like 9 and 2x9 and 3x9... I am sure many people were trying same combination every week for years! But its really sad as you can see, you may feel like you won a million dollar but after your prize you'll see its not good idea to play with the most guessed combinations. Awkward combinations are generally guessed by 1-2 people so prize is lot more than this.

[fortunecrypto]

Come to think of it the first prize reached 233 million but what if this draw happens after the last jackpot was hit, the starting pot is 27 million so there will be getting less than 50,000 after the tax deduction, they are still lucky that this happens when the jackpot reached 233 million so each one of them will be getting 500k still big money in the Philippines still a blessing with millions of people betting in a lottery a jackpot is still a jackpot and this time of crisis its a big help.

[goldkingcoiner]

Someone already made a thread about exactly this news. Obviously its a manipulated lottery. There is no way there could have been that many winners. The chance of winning is about 1 in 29 million. And then we have 433 winners? Cmon.

They should look at the 433 winner network and analyse what and who they are connected to. I think they could find the culprit(s) responsible for the obvious scam.

But who knows, maybe all those people won because of some miraculous event that happens once in the entire lifetime of the human species? Nah. I still remain suspicious. I think there is definitely something fishy going on here.

[acroman08]

Someone already made a thread about exactly this news. Obviously its a manipulated lottery. There is no way there could have been that many winners. The chance of winning is about 1 in 29 million. And then we have 433 winners? Cmon.

They should look at the 433 winner network and analyse what and who they are connected to. I think they could find the culprit(s) responsible for the obvious scam.

But who knows, maybe all those people won because of some miraculous event that happens once in the entire lifetime of the human species? Nah. I still remain suspicious. I think there is definitely something fishy going on here.

I am not invalidating your suspicion and as I said before I think an investigation should still be done since a lot of people are suspicious about the result, but come on, how was it impossible to have that many winners? even if you say that the chance of winning is 1 in 29 million it still doesn't change the fact that those people chose the same number, which means all of them had the chance of winning with the same odds of 1 in 29 million which means having that many winners are not impossible.

[jakelyson]

Someone already made a thread about exactly this news. Obviously its a manipulated lottery. There is no way there could have been that many winners. The chance of winning is about 1 in 29 million. And then we have 433 winners? Cmon.

They should look at the 433 winner network and analyse what and who they are connected to. I think they could find the culprit(s) responsible for the obvious scam.

But who knows, maybe all those people won because of some miraculous event that happens once in the entire lifetime of the human species? Nah. I still remain suspicious. I think there is definitely something fishy going on here.

I am not invalidating your suspicion and as I said before I think an investigation should still be done since a lot of people are suspicious about the result, but come on, how was it impossible to have that many winners? even if you say that the chance of winning is 1 in 29 million it still doesn't change the fact that those people chose the same number, which means all of them had the chance of winning with the same odds of 1 in 29 million which means having that many winners are not impossible.

1 in 29 million is the odds that one winner will get the number. You have to raise that again to 433 since there are 433 winners. That is 1 out of 1 followed by 1224 zeroes that 433 people will win a 6/55 lottery.

I agree with goldkingcoiner that they should investigate the network of the winners and find out if there are really manipulation happening in PCSO.

I believe there are honest winners out there but that would only be just a handful.

[samcrypto]

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

with that eye-roll, it seems like you are being sarcastic when you say "the winners defied the odds?". anyway, despite me thinking that there was no manipulation, I think an investigation should be done to prove no manipulation happened but knowing how Filipinos react to this kind of situation, they won't believe it(or at least the majority) if it was proven no manipulation happened.

Investigation can help, but knowing the government I’m sure it will just a waste of time.
There’s a lot of issues going on with our government right now, It’s sad but hopefully those winners are real and let’s just be happy for them, as long as all the winners will get their reward. Now this can be a proof that more winners are possible with Lottery, despite of the doubt about the system.

[carlisle1]

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

with that eye-roll, it seems like you are being sarcastic when you say "the winners defied the odds?". anyway, despite me thinking that there was no manipulation, I think an investigation should be done to prove no manipulation happened but knowing how Filipinos react to this kind of situation, they won't believe it(or at least the majority) if it was proven no manipulation happened.

Investigation can help, but knowing the government I’m sure it will just a waste of time.
There’s a lot of issues going on with our government right now, It’s sad but hopefully those winners are real and let’s just be happy for them, as long as all the winners will get their reward. Now this can be a proof that more winners are possible with Lottery, despite of the doubt about the system.

I'm with in this opinion, with a lot of issue right now, the senate is needed to prioritize what is more important instead of using
long time in investigating this issue.

Though I'm sure there are winners that are surely disappointed since winning a jackpot is a once in a lifetime opportunity,
and sharing it with that huge number of winners gives you a smaller amount of winning of money.

500K might be a good consolation and far better than nothing. If what happens is for real, there's nothing else that winners
can do now.

[bitterguy28]

that would be at least 10 thousand dollars or more each of them? isn't the first time that a jackpot winners numbered as 433?

though it is good to see so much to get wins while mostly it was only split in 2-4 people but this is too small to be called a jackpot winner 

But also having thought of this as manipulated situation .

[goldkingcoiner]

Someone already made a thread about exactly this news. Obviously its a manipulated lottery. There is no way there could have been that many winners. The chance of winning is about 1 in 29 million. And then we have 433 winners? Cmon.

They should look at the 433 winner network and analyse what and who they are connected to. I think they could find the culprit(s) responsible for the obvious scam.

But who knows, maybe all those people won because of some miraculous event that happens once in the entire lifetime of the human species? Nah. I still remain suspicious. I think there is definitely something fishy going on here.

I am not invalidating your suspicion and as I said before I think an investigation should still be done since a lot of people are suspicious about the result, but come on, how was it impossible to have that many winners? even if you say that the chance of winning is 1 in 29 million it still doesn't change the fact that those people chose the same number, which means all of them had the chance of winning with the same odds of 1 in 29 million which means having that many winners are not impossible.

1 in 29 million is the odds that one winner will get the number. You have to raise that again to 433 since there are 433 winners. That is 1 out of 1 followed by 1224 zeroes that 433 people will win a 6/55 lottery.

I agree with goldkingcoiner that they should investigate the network of the winners and find out if there are really manipulation happening in PCSO.

I believe there are honest winners out there but that would only be just a handful.

Thank you for adding that. Yes, I meant the 1 in 29 million chance of winning is the probability for one single person. The probability of 433 people winning at the same time is astronomically low and should not even be considered as realistic. But that being said, a single person winning the lottery on the same day as some other 10 people who also won the lottery is so extremely low its out of the realm of possible. 433 is a criminally suspicious number. So suspicious that its basically mathematical evidence that the lottery was indeed rigged.

[Yaunfitda]

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds?  

with that eye-roll, it seems like you are being sarcastic when you say "the winners defied the odds?". anyway, despite me thinking that there was no manipulation, I think an investigation should be done to prove no manipulation happened but knowing how Filipinos react to this kind of situation, they won't believe it(or at least the majority) if it was proven no manipulation happened.

Investigation can help, but knowing the government I’m sure it will just a waste of time.

Yes, I don't think that they will find something concrete here, and if I'm not mistaken, PCSO has existed for many years so it's very hard to proved something.

There’s a lot of issues going on with our government right now, It’s sad but hopefully those winners are real and let’s just be happy for them, as long as all the winners will get their reward. Now this can be a proof that more winners are possible with Lottery, despite of the doubt about the system.

As someone said, it's around $10k each so that is a huge amount of money for each winner. And so if there is a investigation, it might take months or even years to claim their money. So it will not be far for the honest one. So It's better to give the prize money first in my opinion.

[ultrloa]

Someone already made a thread about exactly this news. Obviously its a manipulated lottery. There is no way there could have been that many winners. The chance of winning is about 1 in 29 million. And then we have 433 winners? Cmon.

They should look at the 433 winner network and analyse what and who they are connected to. I think they could find the culprit(s) responsible for the obvious scam.

But who knows, maybe all those people won because of some miraculous event that happens once in the entire lifetime of the human species? Nah. I still remain suspicious. I think there is definitely something fishy going on here.

Never believe on miracle since in history of lottery this event didn't happen. The odds is so low that's why its really hard to digest what they are announcing and for having 433 winners this will create an assumption that govern bodies handle the PCSO is corrupt. They are been bashed and show some people claiming but still it didn't justified anything because still people doubt about the result.

[Peanutswar]

Actually this news is widely spreading after the news announce the number of winners for me this is super odd imagine you are 433 participants who will share the large amount of money and it seems like if you see it is really possible that 433 people make a huge amount of profit, most likely the news regarding with the lotto jackpot tells just about 1-5 participants who share but still congrats to those winners even though they share a large number still those money can really help them in the future.

[Scripture]

As someone said, it's around $10k each so that is a huge amount of money for each winner. And so if there is a investigation, it might take months or even years to claim their money. So it will not be far for the honest one. So It's better to give the prize money first in my opinion.

They are now claiming the prize and the agency is releasing it despite of that possible investigation because they believe nothing wrong with the result, it’s just that they have to prove it or else their officials will face consequences. It’s normal for people to doubt the result, that’s a lot of winners and the probability is very low as per analyst.

[Mauser]

Damn, that's a lot of people who all picked the same winning numbers. Imagine you finally win the lottery after playing for 40 years, only to share your money with 433 other people. Maybe there were some tipping groups who all picked the same numbers, but this can't explain all of winners. There is already another thread here on the forum talking about the winning numbers all being divisible by 9. I don't think that the numbers alone are evidence for scam. To me the numbers still seem random, the high number of lottery winner is what concerns me the most. Maybe there is some form of connection between the winners. Also there seems to be high number of second and third prize winners. Sad for the gamblers who picked the right numbers on their own and won legitimately.

[danherbias07]

This is the first time, probably this will be put in the guinness world record.

I believe there are irregularities here, it could be manipulated, and it's nice to know that some senators from the Philippines wants a probe on this one.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1673977/minority-senators-seek-probe-on-extraordinary-grand-lotto-draw

MANILA, Philippines — Minority senators are seeking an investigation into the “extraordinary” Grand Lotto draw where 433 bettors all got the winning combination for the ₱236 million jackpot.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III and Senator Risa Hontiveros on Sunday said a Senate resolution is needed to allay suspicion of irregularity in the results of the lottery that is managed by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO).

Oh, this will be good.
I didn't know that they do care. Because before no one or no government official went forward to look deep into what is happening in this lotto service in the Phillipines. This is not even a new case, they just don't care or maybe other officials are part of the irregularities that's why they don't investigate.
Why should it take a big issue like this for them to move?
If they are found guilty about it, how about those old players who had been betting all their life? Will the unfairness be paid or will they just straighten it out?

[acroman08]

-snip

-snip

1 in 29 million is the odds that one winner will get the number. You have to raise that again to 433 since there are 433 winners. That is 1 out of 1 followed by 1224 zeroes that 433 people will win a 6/55 lottery.

yeah, I guess you are right, but knowing how pattern/pretty numbers are popular when it comes to the lottery It is not surprising(or at least me) that there are a lot of people who won. I am also not against them doing an investigation but I doubt they'll find something suspicious.

[qwertyup23]

-snip

-snip

1 in 29 million is the odds that one winner will get the number. You have to raise that again to 433 since there are 433 winners. That is 1 out of 1 followed by 1224 zeroes that 433 people will win a 6/55 lottery.

yeah, I guess you are right, but knowing how pattern/pretty numbers are popular when it comes to the lottery It is not surprising(or at least me) that there are a lot of people who won. I am also not against them doing an investigation but I doubt they'll find something suspicious.

Is there any ounce of possibility that this can be rigged? Though the pattern combination of the lotto numbers were all divisible by 9, this somehow can potentially happen especially if some people stick to a designated pattern of betting numbers. It just so happened that the numbers that fell were all divisible by 9.

Again, the chances of this happening is just significantly and statistically low but the odds are the odds! No matter how low the chances of winning are, the fact that there is that "chance" of winning does not discount the possibility of the impossible happening.

[btc_angela]

I read that half or more than half of the winners have claim their prices already from the PCSO.

So that it mean that the other half is the one that has cheated or it could be someone behind those other half that they still get the prize winners because it has make so much noise right now in Philippines that even their Senate wanted to step and investigate the matter?

[sunsilk]

I read that half or more than half of the winners have claim their prices already from the PCSO.

So that it mean that the other half is the one that has cheated or it could be someone behind those other half that they still get the prize winners because it has make so much noise right now in Philippines that even their Senate wanted to step and investigate the matter?

There's a threshold on how long they should claim their prizes and that means that the others haven't arrived yet. I don't want to think that they're cheaters because they haven't claimed yet.

Looking at some information, they're coming from different parts of the country and that's why they haven't come to claim it. Thinking of someone is behind of it, there's really a possibility that it's likely a trick or what.

But, they can't do anything anymore if most of the money prizes are claimed already and the claimants or winners have already spent it.

[Fredomago]

I read that half or more than half of the winners have claim their prices already from the PCSO.

So that it mean that the other half is the one that has cheated or it could be someone behind those other half that they still get the prize winners because it has make so much noise right now in Philippines that even their Senate wanted to step and investigate the matter?

There's a threshold on how long they should claim their prizes and that means that the others haven't arrived yet. I don't want to think that they're cheaters because they haven't claimed yet.

Looking at some information, they're coming from different parts of the country and that's why they haven't come to claim it. Thinking of someone is behind of it, there's really a possibility that it's likely a trick or what.

But, they can't do anything anymore if most of the money prizes are claimed already and the claimants or winners have already spent it.

If all those claimants provides the winning tickets, there's nothing they can do now, unless there's a case or proven case of manipulation which will take time before it can be proven, like what you said those who claimed already are using the money and for those who ain't getting their money yet, there's a time for them to claim their winning amount and even it supposedly a once in a million opportunities if fate played on you there's nothing you can do.

Enjoy the money and try to use it for the betterment of your life, either plan for a business or look for passive secure investment.

[milewilda]

Someone already made a thread about exactly this news. Obviously its a manipulated lottery. There is no way there could have been that many winners. The chance of winning is about 1 in 29 million. And then we have 433 winners? Cmon.

They should look at the 433 winner network and analyse what and who they are connected to. I think they could find the culprit(s) responsible for the obvious scam.

But who knows, maybe all those people won because of some miraculous event that happens once in the entire lifetime of the human species? Nah. I still remain suspicious. I think there is definitely something fishy going on here.

Never believe on miracle since in history of lottery this event didn't happen. The odds is so low that's why its really hard to digest what they are announcing and for having 433 winners this will create an assumption that govern bodies handle the PCSO is corrupt. They are been bashed and show some people claiming but still it didn't justified anything because still people doubt about the result.

You cant really avoid on not to have those doubts considering the odds or chance on winning a lottery or make out those combinations isnt something that you could really able to hit even once in a lifetime.
We arent that dumb not to know the odds on hitting up jackpot which is usually we do really see one or two winners for jackpots and now we do see even hundreds which would really be that normal
that it would really be creating some buzz on why the heck this thing do happen? If there are people who do claim then we arent even sure if those people are legit winners
or just simply being dummied out just to make things looks legit but well its their problem to handle out though.