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May 10, 2023, 10:47:34 PM
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Maybe I should avoid putting a price for DIY wallets

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May 15, 2023, 01:58:45 PM
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Maybe I should avoid putting a price for DIY wallets
Or you can just say that prices starting from $50 and going up, clever marketing trick but you need to put some work collecting and assembling everything if you want to pay less  Wink

Since you already added many hardware wallets with lot of details, it would be only fair to expect honest reviews for them soon (if manufacturers send you free devices for testing).

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May 15, 2023, 02:10:52 PM
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Yes, I have plans to do some reviews. I received a Tapsigner, OneKey Touch and Jade from manufacturers. I started with the Onkey review on the blog. I will review the others as soon as I have a bit of time.
I can ask for more wallets from manufacturers but the problem is the taxes in my country. I have to pay them. If I start to have a bit of income, I could afford that.

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May 16, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
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These are the only hardware wallets people should be messing with:

- (Blockstream) Jade
- Passport
- Keystone devices
- The Coldcard Q1, once it's officially released
- EDIT: And the Airgap Wallet software, if used properly

All are open-source, 100% air-gapped and come with a battery and QR scanner, work with all major wallets, have a "brick switch", have a secure chip (with the exception of the Jade, but it's the only one with "ANTI-KLEPTO / ANTI-EXFIL PROTOCOL"), and most importantly don't come with an outside risk of getting hacked (Trezor wallets) and don't have silly privacy or security scandals surrounding their products (*cough* Ledger).

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May 17, 2023, 12:52:39 AM
 #65

Added Specter DIY to the website. Now comparing 36 different Hardware Wallets, feature by feature.

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May 17, 2023, 08:59:30 PM
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All are open-source
Sorry but ColdCard does NOT have open source devices anymore, but they have inflated NKV ego instead, and they use Commons Clause license   Tongue

Added Specter DIY to the website. Now comparing 36 different Hardware Wallets, feature by feature.
Since you started adding DIY devices, you can consider adding Krux wallet.
This project is smaller than SeedSigner or Specter, but it's very affordable and base device M5StickV looks very similar like Jade wallet and Maix Amigo is amazing.
You can find more information about Krux in my topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350905.0

PS
Nice work collecting all recent anti-ledger discounts  Cool

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May 17, 2023, 10:17:36 PM
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(...)
All are open-source, 100% air-gapped and come with a battery and QR scanner, work with all major wallets, have a "brick switch", have a secure chip (with the exception of the Jade, but it's the only one with "ANTI-KLEPTO / ANTI-EXFIL PROTOCOL"), and most importantly don't come with an outside risk of getting hacked (Trezor wallets) and don't have silly privacy or security scandals surrounding their products (*cough* Ledger).
Passport devices also support supply chain validation procedures[1] which allow the user to know if his device is genuine or if it has been tampered with. This kind of validations exist to avoid situations like this one[2]:
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"The unit was bought from a trusted seller through a popular classifieds website, and the holographic stickers on the box and the wallet itself were all present and undamaged."
"Instead of the original STM32F427, the unit had an STM32F429 with fully deactivated microcontroller flash-memory read-out protection mechanisms (RDP 0 instead of RDP 2 in genuine Trezors).".
"The fake cryptowallet would operate as normal, but the attackers had full control over it from the very beginning. According to the transaction history, they were in no hurry, waiting a whole month after the wallet was credited for the first time before they grabbed the money. The owner had no protection whatsoever: the game was lost from the very moment the money first arrived in the Trojan wallet."

[1]https://docs.foundationdevices.com/passport/setup
[2]https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/fake-trezor-wallets-designed-to-steal-bitcoin-spotted-in-the-wild/

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May 18, 2023, 08:52:57 AM
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All are open-source
Sorry but ColdCard does NOT have open source devices anymore, but they have inflated NKV ego instead, and they use Commons Clause license   Tongue

That's strange, I was pretty sure TheBitcoinHole listed those wallets as open-source in the grid (EDIT: As of May 18 I can confirm that the wallets are listed like that).

Time to reshuffle my shopping list in that case...

EDIT 2: I see this is the license of their firmware?

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(c) Copyright 2020 by Coinkite Inc.

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject
to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.
IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR
ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF
CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION
WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.


"Commons Clause" License Condition v1.0

The Software is provided to you by the Licensor under the License,
as defined below, subject to the following condition.

Without limiting other conditions in the License, the grant of
rights under the License will not include, and the License does not
grant to you, the right to Sell the Software.

For purposes of the foregoing, "Sell" means practicing any or all
of the rights granted to you under the License to provide to third
parties, for a fee or other consideration (including without
limitation fees for hosting or consulting/ support services related
to the Software), a product or service whose value derives, entirely
or substantially, from the functionality of the Software. Any license
notice or attribution required by the License must also include
this Commons Clause License Condition notice.

Software: All Coldcard associated files.
License: MIT
Licensor: Coinkite Inc.

It looks like MIT with an anti-sell clause.

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May 18, 2023, 12:33:59 PM
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Regarding the coldcard. So, you say that you can see the source code of the firmware but you can't sell it. That would be a place in the middle between closed source that you can't see and open source that you can see and sell. It should be in yellow color in my website. I am going to modify it and clarify

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Regarding the coldcard. So, you say that you can see the source code of the firmware but you can't sell it. That would be a place in the middle between closed source that you can't see and open source that you can see and sell. It should be in yellow color in my website. I am going to modify it and clarify

OK.

But I don't think it is a huge problem, right? I mean, it's not like Ledger where everything is closed-source, it's certainly better than that. But also, it is not like other open-source hardware wallets where they give you unrestricted freedom to do whatever you want with the firmware. But if you're an end-user and you just want to install firmware or if you're a dev who wants to contribute back, then there is no legal issue.

As long as the codebase of the firmware is regularly updated and you can see all the parts of it, and all of the bugs & vulnerabilities that could be lurking about inside there, then there is still some validation that the cold wallet's code is acting honestly.

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That being said, they could've written their license differently to make it less redundant:

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Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining
a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the
"Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including
without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to
permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject
to the following conditions:

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Without limiting other conditions in the License, the grant of
rights under the License will not include, and the License does not
grant to you, the right to Sell the Software.

It certainly makes me think that a lawyer did not write this.

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Yes, I agree

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I explored all the hardware wallets checkouts and added the different supported payment methods to https://wallets.thebitcoinhole.com

Wallets that can be bought with Lightning:
- Blockstream Jade
- Passport Batch 2
- BitBox02
- Keystone
- Trezor
- OneKey

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But I don't think it is a huge problem, right? I mean, it's not like Ledger where everything is closed-source, it's certainly better than that.
There is no such thing as semi-open source or little-open source wallet.
Either something is open source or not, and ColdCard is NOT open source device, we already had this discussion at it was proven several times.
NVK (ColdCard owenr) was missleading people for a while with Open Source label on their website, but they had to change it later to Verifiable Source Code.

Here is before and After photos:



It's even worse that same ColdCard used Trezor open source code before that and they didn't credit that, until someone publicly posted about that  Roll Eyes
It's not that ColdCard is bad wallet, but with egoistic hypocrites like NVK I simply refuse to give them any slack.

Common Clause license:
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Is this “Open Source”?
- No.
https://commonsclause.com/


I explored all the hardware wallets checkouts and added the different supported payment methods to https://wallets.thebitcoinhole.com
Are all hardware wallets also accepting payments in Bitcoin mainnet?
I see, several wallets (sledger included) don't accept Bitcoin payments and they expect people to purchase them for storing BTC  Roll Eyes

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Added Bitkey to the website. Still lots of questions about the wallet, so the info is not complete. Waiting to get more info about the wallet to include on the site.

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June 22, 2023, 08:23:01 PM
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Added Bitkey to the website. Still lots of questions about the wallet, so the info is not complete. Waiting to get more info about the wallet to include on the site.
Wait a minute... did they changed the name again?!
First I thought this was some new wallet I never heard before but than I saw familiar shape of ex-Square aka ex-Block wallet.
I honestly wouldn't call this a real hardware wallet at all, based on information I know about it, but let's wait and see what happens when they release it officially.

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I am never going to apply for this  beta  Cool

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June 25, 2023, 12:15:17 PM
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I see, several wallets (sledger included) don't accept Bitcoin payments and they expect people to purchase them for storing BTC  Roll Eyes
Ledger doesn't accept Bitcoin directly, but you can pay with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies using the crypto payment processor BitPay. Anyone interested in doing that should know that BitPay requires KYC to use their services, so there are better alternatives. Check out Do Hardware wallet Manufacturers Ship to PO Boxes or Not for more info.

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June 25, 2023, 05:36:19 PM
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Ledger doesn't accept Bitcoin directly, but you can pay with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies using the crypto payment processor BitPay.
I don't see any way to pay with crypto on Ledger official website. Just credit card, Paypal o Google Pay

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June 25, 2023, 06:33:22 PM
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I don't see any way to pay with crypto on Ledger official website. Just credit card, Paypal o Google Pay
It's there. Go to the shop, add one of their hardware wallets to your cart, and start the purchase process. You can enter fake data just to proceed through the customer info and shipping forms. Once you get to the payments page you will see this:



It seems that they have actually added crypto.com pay in addition to BitPay, which was there before.

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June 25, 2023, 06:39:58 PM
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It seems that they have actually added crypto.com pay in addition to BitPay, which was there before.
Indeed, they seem to have added that payment option around 08/2020[1]. Do note that both of them aren't very private considering that one is a centralized exchange and another is BitPay[2].

[1]https://www.ledger.com/ledger-integrates-cryptocom-pay
[2]https://debitpay.directory/anti-bitcoin/

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June 25, 2023, 09:07:29 PM
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It seems Ledger is not supporting crypto payments in certain countries. That's why I wasn't seeing those options. I had to try with US.

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