Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗

[Lak93xy]

OP, can you clarify what specifically happened to your initial account?  You said it got limited, they said it got permanently banned.  Those aren't the same thing.

Did you receive any communications about being permanently banned and/or limited?  Is the account still open and able to wager in the casino?  

My first account got limited (amounts I can bet on NBA were smaller compared to the initial amounts) - not a single warning from Rollbit about not allowing me to create more accounts or anything. Hence, I just created a new account and deposited $10k. The new account got instantly limited without a single dollar wagered (I wouldn't bet a cent on sports). I contacted support to ask if I could withdraw it since there was no way for me to wager it through in sports, after which they started some KYC/AML process. I even offered them that I can wager my own deposited $10k through in slots, but they didn't even agree to that. Just decided to mock me with the "thank you for depositing money back" thing.

I am not quite sure if you are familiar with what "being limited" means in terms of sports betting.
A casino/sportsbook, can decide to limit your account to only be able to bet a specific amount on sports.

I know exactly what being limited means and that was my point this whole time. Your first account got limited to restrict you to bet no more than X on sports, so you created a second one to get greater limits and bet XXX. That is the reason for account closure. The first account wouldn't allow you to wager $10.000 because of the limits, and you wanted to do it through the second one. Whether or not you succeeded, I don't know. You say you didn't, but the intention was clearly there.

On a normal site that doesn't allow multi-accounting, I will accept this and leave their platform. On Rollbit tho, it was fine to replace an old account with a new one to get better limits. Which I have repeated like 25 times now.

I don't think it was fine to do it. It could surely be considered a nefarious use of their services.

So they just created the multi-accounting allowance to scam people? If it's considered fair use in your eyes, then there's clearly something wrong with this industry, something wrong with you protecting them. If a player plays by the rules and follows every rule and every clause of Rollbit's T&C precisely - it is Rollbit's duty to make sure that they are honored - which they were. Banning someone without a reason and no explanation at all is just bad and careless practice - a dishonest one. Not batting an eye if people lose on multiple accounts, but stealing money from players if they end up winning - should tell you enough.

Furthermore, I've been waiting for days for them to tell their side of the story here, which they have just avoided. Tells you something about it, doesn't it?

OP, can you clarify what specifically happened to your initial account?  You said it got limited, they said it got permanently banned.  Those aren't the same thing.

Did you receive any communications about being permanently banned and/or limited?  Is the account still open and able to wager in the casino?  

Hi, i got purely limited on sportsbetting. I can still wager on casino etc. And no, no communication. Just wasnt able to bet more than a certain amount anymore on sports.

If they gave you no warning and just took your deposit then obviously that's a scam.

Rollbit is a decent sized site that's been around for a while with a pretty good reputation, so before anyone jumps to conclusions , it's worth pointing out: There's been a recent trend of players that find some sort of edge involving match fixing or getting ahead of the live betting lines.  They get limited, warned not to make any more accounts.  After they keep making more and more accounts, the site eventually starts freezing their funds - so the they come here and tell half the story as if they are only behind the last couple new accounts they made, and not the dozens before that which were warned, in attempt to get their money back.  

I'm not going to jump to a conclusion either way at this point.  But, your story lines up perfectly with the MO of the person/people that have been doing this, and it also explains why rollbit rubbed it in by thanking you for the $10k.  In fact, I'm not saying I know this is true, but it would make total sense if you were also the OP of this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416690.0

Hopefully we hear from rollbit soon.

Exactly. Not a single warning was given. Just a ban on my account and taking away my deposit. Again, I bet on NBA and big sports. Nothing to do with fixed matches or whatever weird things you mentioned.
I wish I had tracked every bet I've bet in my accounts, you could clearly see that nothing's weird about the things that I've bet.

I get that this is "normal" in sports betting, but to me (as someone who doesn't use it), it sounds shady. The house edge should be enough to cover the casino's profit, and allowing winning users lower bets than losing users doesn't seem fair.

I don't think fair has anything to do with it. Life isn't fair. Limiting and restricting winning players is something that traditional fiat bookies do as well simply because they like taking your money, not giving it to you. That's not fair, I don't like it, and I don't agree with it. It's still happening though. It's their business and their rules sadly.

Closing the account: sure!
Keeping the deposit: from what I've read here, I don't think that's justified.

Maybe OP isn't telling us the whole story. Remember the Razer admin (or whatever his name is) saying something like thanks for depositing part of the money back to us. OP could have been doing this for longer than he cares to admit. I am just speculating of course.

I don't think so:

They could have easily added it to the above list: "We reserve the right to disable accounts that have been created with the intention to abuse our bonus, coupon and chat features, or circumvent account limits.

It would be clearer, sure. I still see it as an abusive way to try to get around betting restrictions the provider set on your account and you as a person. The first account got limited. The reasons why don't matter. Just that it did. OP noticed it, so he created a new account to bet more than he could with his first account. How is that not abuse or attempted abuse? Imagine there is a raffle on the forum. It's available for everyone except legendary members and their alts. So to participate in that raffle, you enroll your Loyce mobile account. Didn't you try to cheat and abuse the system by doing that?

What's the difference between OP creating a new account and betting $10,000 on a certain game, or me doing the exact same thing?

I am not sure what you mean. If you both have limited accounts that you are aware of and you registered new accounts to circumvent those restrictions, you have both attempted to cheat and use your accounts in "nefarious" ways. If you didn't have a previous limited account or attempted to wager above a maximum allowed betting amount, then you are good to go.

What does it matter what one interprets as abusive? Not a single rule or warning was given to me not to multi-account to bet on better limits. Just waiting for me to hit a down-swing and then letting me continue? Or what's the case here, why couldn't they just tell me not to multi-account for sports betting when I asked if it's fine? I would have not done it in that case, lol... Instead of giving me a ban-hammer, they could have just given me my money back and just tell me to stop.

Also; i came out with all Infos right at the start. I didnt act like i had only one Account or whatever. So i dont quite understand why im being framed as someone whos trying to tell half of the story.

For a fact i know that Rollbit is aware of this thread, i know that one of their support members has passed it on to the Admins. Still they choose to ignore it so far.

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[actmyname]

That is not the point. I confirmed multiple times if multi-accounting was fine & it was.

On a normal site that doesn't allow multi-accounting, I will accept this and leave their platform. On Rollbit tho, it was fine to replace an old account with a new one to get better limits. Which I have repeated like 25 times now.

This is important: in what way did they confirm that multi-accounting was fine?

Was it perhaps that multi-accounting was fine... but only for the website in general?
Or did you specifically ask about sportsbetting? If a casino tells you, "don't do this," and you create a new account for that purpose, is that okay?

If you simply asked vague questions multiple times, then you'd get vague answers - which may coalesce into a specific truth you don't like.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

So they just created the multi-accounting allowance to scam people? If it's considered fair use in your eyes, then there's clearly something wrong with this industry, something wrong with you protecting them. If a player plays by the rules and follows every rule and every clause of Rollbit's T&C precisely - it is Rollbit's duty to make sure that they are honored - which they were. Banning someone without a reason and no explanation at all is just bad and careless practice - a dishonest one.

Looking at this case from all angles, I must confuse that O.P is to be blamed to some extent. Because in as much as multi-accounting was allowed, you creating a new account immediately after the previous one was limited with the same IP address was kind of fishy and you playing on Rollbits intelligence, of which no casino will ignore such an act. And if you must multi-account, why can't you be smart enough by using different devices with different and unique IP addresses? But instead, you went about using just only 1 which has equally landed you in this mess.

However, everybody has said everything that needed to be said in the previous comments, so what remains now is for Rollbit or its representative to come to tell their own side of the story, because $10,000 is a huge sum to just let go just like that.

[Lak93xy]

That is not the point. I confirmed multiple times if multi-accounting was fine & it was.

On a normal site that doesn't allow multi-accounting, I will accept this and leave their platform. On Rollbit tho, it was fine to replace an old account with a new one to get better limits. Which I have repeated like 25 times now.

This is important: in what way did they confirm that multi-accounting was fine?

Was it perhaps that multi-accounting was fine... but only for the website in general?
Or did you specifically ask about sportsbetting? If a casino tells you, "don't do this," and you create a new account for that purpose, is that okay?

If you simply asked vague questions multiple times, then you'd get vague answers - which may coalesce into a specific truth you don't like.

Agreed. If a casino tells me "don't do this", I won't do it. However, that's not the core here. The core here is, that I've been playing everything by their own rules. In addition, sports betting is part of their website, so they're not canceling each other out, now do they? Please try to focus on the fact that no rules were broken and everything was fair and square - no warnings were given, nothing. Rollbit waited for me to deposit that $10k and then seized my funds without an explanation.

So they just created the multi-accounting allowance to scam people? If it's considered fair use in your eyes, then there's clearly something wrong with this industry, something wrong with you protecting them. If a player plays by the rules and follows every rule and every clause of Rollbit's T&C precisely - it is Rollbit's duty to make sure that they are honored - which they were. Banning someone without a reason and no explanation at all is just bad and careless practice - a dishonest one.

Looking at this case from all angles, I must confuse that O.P is to be blamed to some extent. Because in as much as multi-accounting was allowed, you creating a new account immediately after the previous one was limited with the same IP address was kind of fishy and you playing on Rollbits intelligence, of which no casino will ignore such an act. And if you must multi-account, why can't you be smart enough by using different devices with different and unique IP addresses? But instead, you went about using just only 1 which has equally landed you in this mess.

However, everybody has said everything that needed to be said in the previous comments, so what remains now is for Rollbit or its representative to come to tell their own side of the story, because $10,000 is a huge sum to just let go just like that.

Exactly. I agree with your statement of "no casino will ignore such an act" under normal circumstances, where they've clearly stated that multi-accounting is prohibited. Rollbit, on the other hand, is a special case here as you can see from the thread - multi-accing is part of their casino and it is what they promote.

Furthermore, I can't wait for their representative to post here either. It would be more than fair for them to explain to us step by step what I've done wrong that gives them the right to take away my money & hopefully in best circumstances just come to their right mind and return to me what's mine.

[TwitchySeal]

That is not the point. I confirmed multiple times if multi-accounting was fine & it was.

On a normal site that doesn't allow multi-accounting, I will accept this and leave their platform. On Rollbit tho, it was fine to replace an old account with a new one to get better limits. Which I have repeated like 25 times now.

This is important: in what way did they confirm that multi-accounting was fine?

Was it perhaps that multi-accounting was fine... but only for the website in general?
Or did you specifically ask about sportsbetting? If a casino tells you, "don't do this," and you create a new account for that purpose, is that okay?

If you simply asked vague questions multiple times, then you'd get vague answers - which may coalesce into a specific truth you don't like.

Agreed. If a casino tells me "don't do this", I won't do it. However, that's not the core here. The core here is, that I've been playing everything by their own rules. In addition, sports betting is part of their website, so they're not canceling each other out, now do they? Please try to focus on the fact that no rules were broken and everything was fair and square - no warnings were given, nothing. Rollbit waited for me to deposit that $10k and then seized my funds without an explanation.

You.,..didn't answer his question at all. 

[Lak93xy]

That is not the point. I confirmed multiple times if multi-accounting was fine & it was.

On a normal site that doesn't allow multi-accounting, I will accept this and leave their platform. On Rollbit tho, it was fine to replace an old account with a new one to get better limits. Which I have repeated like 25 times now.

This is important: in what way did they confirm that multi-accounting was fine?

Was it perhaps that multi-accounting was fine... but only for the website in general?
Or did you specifically ask about sportsbetting? If a casino tells you, "don't do this," and you create a new account for that purpose, is that okay?

If you simply asked vague questions multiple times, then you'd get vague answers - which may coalesce into a specific truth you don't like.

Agreed. If a casino tells me "don't do this", I won't do it. However, that's not the core here. The core here is, that I've been playing everything by their own rules. In addition, sports betting is part of their website, so they're not canceling each other out, now do they? Please try to focus on the fact that no rules were broken and everything was fair and square - no warnings were given, nothing. Rollbit waited for me to deposit that $10k and then seized my funds without an explanation.

You.,..didn't answer his question at all.

Let me be super clear again, just in case another person isn't paying attention or is not taking the whole context into consideration:

This is important: in what way did they confirm that multi-accounting was fine?

» By closely reading their Terms & Conditions, rules, and FAQ.
» By confirming with the support and the Live Chat.
» By asking them multiple times on their official Discord Server.

Was it perhaps that multi-accounting was fine... but only for the website in general?
Or did you specifically ask about sports betting? If a casino tells you, "don't do this," and you create a new account for that purpose, is that okay

Multi-accounting is fine on their whole website www.rollbit.com - that includes everything in their casino: from sports betting, slots, battles, to everything else.
Again, the casino didn't tell me "not do this". Instead, it was confirmed multiple times by their own staff that it is fine to multi-account.

If you simply asked vague questions multiple times, then you'd get vague answers - which may coalesce into a specific truth you don't like.

How more concrete can it get than their own Terms of Services saying that it is fine to multi-account & their staff confirming that alternative accounts are allowed?

[TwitchySeal]

That is not the point. I confirmed multiple times if multi-accounting was fine & it was.

On a normal site that doesn't allow multi-accounting, I will accept this and leave their platform. On Rollbit tho, it was fine to replace an old account with a new one to get better limits. Which I have repeated like 25 times now.

This is important: in what way did they confirm that multi-accounting was fine?

Was it perhaps that multi-accounting was fine... but only for the website in general?
Or did you specifically ask about sportsbetting? If a casino tells you, "don't do this," and you create a new account for that purpose, is that okay?

If you simply asked vague questions multiple times, then you'd get vague answers - which may coalesce into a specific truth you don't like.

Agreed. If a casino tells me "don't do this", I won't do it. However, that's not the core here. The core here is, that I've been playing everything by their own rules. In addition, sports betting is part of their website, so they're not canceling each other out, now do they? Please try to focus on the fact that no rules were broken and everything was fair and square - no warnings were given, nothing. Rollbit waited for me to deposit that $10k and then seized my funds without an explanation.

You.,..didn't answer his question at all.

Let me be super clear again, just in case another person isn't paying attention or is not taking the whole context into consideration:

This is important: in what way did they confirm that multi-accounting was fine?

» By closely reading their Terms & Conditions, rules, and FAQ.
» By confirming with the support and the Live Chat.
» By asking them multiple times on their official Discord Server.

Was it perhaps that multi-accounting was fine... but only for the website in general?
Or did you specifically ask about sports betting? If a casino tells you, "don't do this," and you create a new account for that purpose, is that okay

Multi-accounting is fine on their whole website www.rollbit.com - that includes everything in their casino: from sports betting, slots, battles, to everything else.
Again, the casino didn't tell me "not do this". Instead, it was confirmed multiple times by their own staff that it is fine to multi-account.

If you simply asked vague questions multiple times, then you'd get vague answers - which may coalesce into a specific truth you don't like.

How more concrete can it get than their own Terms of Services saying that it is fine to multi-account & their staff confirming that alternative accounts are allowed?

What specifically did you ask them.  That's the question.  Literally, what was the question(s) that you asked.

[Lak93xy]

What specifically did you ask them.  That's the question.  Literally, what was the question(s) that you asked.

Damn, I already thought that I can't find any hard proof regarding support and their answers.
Gladly, a friend of mine, who introduced me to Rollbit was smart enough to screenshot his conversations with the Live Chat and to keep them as a piece of evidence.
For what it's worth, he used multiple accounts for sports betting as well.
Yet, for some reason, his funds never got seized... No idea, what was so special about my multi-accounting case (the reason that I ended up winning?).

[Pmalek]

Lol, I did exactly that Just for fun, of course.

Having fun with it is one thing. But I don't think OP had a practical joke on his mind when he created his second account.

If that's the case, sports betting is flawed.

Gambling is flawed and winners are undesirable.

Dana White has admitted he is not allowed to play at a number of the top casinos in Las Vegas due his high-stakes game. The UFC president is a prolific gambler, and has been known to win major amounts during hours-long sessions at tables in his adopted home in Nevada.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/ufc-president-dana-white-explains-27741324

So they just created the multi-accounting allowance to scam people? If it's considered fair use in your eyes, then there's clearly something wrong with this industry, something wrong with you protecting them.

I can say the same thing. If you consider using multiple accounts as a workaround to betting limits, then there is something wrong with you and your interpretation of what is fair and what isn't. I am not protecting them. I just don't agree with you and your way of understanding fair usage. I think you knew exactly what you wanted to do but it didn't work. Or maybe it worked for a while until they figured it out. This last part is again speculation based on the support admins answer where he thanked you for giving back a part of the money you allegedly took from the casino.

If a player plays by the rules and follows every rule and every clause of Rollbit's T&C precisely.

That's again your interpretation of events. Mine is different and that's why we don't see eye to eye. You think your multi-accounting was cute and innocent fun, I think it was a well thought out move to get greater betting limits, wager more than allowed, and win more.

Furthermore, I've been waiting for days for them to tell their side of the story here, which they have just avoided. Tells you something about it, doesn't it?

That we agree on. No matter what decision was taken, they should explain what they think happened and why they did what they did.

Not a single rule or warning was given to me not to multi-account to bet on better limits.

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Show me where you asked their support if you are allowed to use multiple accounts to circumvent set betting restrictions and they said it's fine to do that!

it was confirmed multiple times by their own staff that it is fine to multi-account.

The reasons and purposes for the multi-accounting is the question, not if it is or it isn't allowed. You didn't ask them the right questions, so they couldn't have given you the correct answers that apply to the way you wanted to use your betting accounts. That screenshot from your friend has nothing to do with your case.

[Lak93xy]

Lol, I did exactly that Just for fun, of course.

Having fun with it is one thing. But I don't think OP had a practical joke on his mind when he created his second account.

If that's the case, sports betting is flawed.

Gambling is flawed and winners are undesirable.

Dana White has admitted he is not allowed to play at a number of the top casinos in Las Vegas due his high-stakes game. The UFC president is a prolific gambler, and has been known to win major amounts during hours-long sessions at tables in his adopted home in Nevada.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/ufc-president-dana-white-explains-27741324

So they just created the multi-accounting allowance to scam people? If it's considered fair use in your eyes, then there's clearly something wrong with this industry, something wrong with you protecting them.

I can say the same thing. If you consider using multiple accounts as a workaround to betting limits, then there is something wrong with you and your interpretation of what is fair and what isn't. I am not protecting them. I just don't agree with you and your way of understanding fair usage. I think you knew exactly what you wanted to do but it didn't work. Or maybe it worked for a while until they figured it out. This last part is again speculation based on the support admins answer where he thanked you for giving back a part of the money you allegedly took from the casino.

If a player plays by the rules and follows every rule and every clause of Rollbit's T&C precisely.

That's again your interpretation of events. Mine is different and that's why we don't see eye to eye. You think your multi-accounting was cute and innocent fun, I think it was a well thought out move to get greater betting limits, wager more than allowed, and win more.

Furthermore, I've been waiting for days for them to tell their side of the story here, which they have just avoided. Tells you something about it, doesn't it?

That we agree on. No matter what decision was taken, they should explain what they think happened and why they did what they did.

Not a single rule or warning was given to me not to multi-account to bet on better limits.

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Show me where you asked their support if you are allowed to use multiple accounts to circumvent set betting restrictions and they said it's fine to do that!

it was confirmed multiple times by their own staff that it is fine to multi-account.

The reasons and purposes for the multi-accounting is the question, not if it is or it isn't allowed. You didn't ask them the right questions, so they couldn't have given you the correct answers that apply to the way you wanted to use your betting accounts. That screenshot from your friend has nothing to do with your case.

You might have your reasons to defend them. I have my own reasons to protect my funds. It is what it is.
Still, I'm sure if this thing goes official, I am in the right here.

Nevertheless, it's a useless back-and-forth discussion here between us. Nothing constructive about it anymore due to everyone sticking to their own point of view.
Let's just wait for Rollbit to answer and hopefully we can get it solved and they'll return my funds.

Peace.

[Rollbit Razer]

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

[Lak93xy]

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

This is simply not true, you have not warned me a single time nor have you ever banned one of my accounts before.

Please provide evidence of that.

Im sure there have to be chat messages or whatever.

All that has happened so far to my accounts is just purely being limited. Why are you lying?


Also, where have i said that this was my first account? I stated right at the start that this was NOT my first account.



Im sure there are other folks out there, who maybe did the same. But how do you draw the conclusion that those were MY accounts? I would really appreciate you coming forward with evidence, to prove that those accounts warned were mine.

Honestly sounds to me like you are aware, that it looks super scammy to do what u did without previous warnings.
So theres really only 2 options; either you are trying to lie about it OR ur confusing other accounts with mine.

[Lak93xy]

The more i think about your reply, the more angry i get.

Why would i even come back and deposit TEN THOUSAND if i would have received a warning and you threatened to seize my funds? This makes absolutely no sense.

Do you really think i would come back to your site and risk this amount of money? Im not sure what picture you are trying to draw here, but i havent won that much on your site. You are acting like i won some insane amount on your platform which is not the case

And second; If you were aware of everything & you dont want people to do that on your site, because as it seems im not the only one who has created new accounts for new sport limits, why didnt you change your ToS?

Honestly this answer just proves to me how scammy you guys are.

[TwitchySeal]

This is simply not true, you have not warned me a single time nor have you ever banned one of my accounts before.

Please provide evidence of that.

Im sure there have to be chat messages or whatever.

If they post chat messages, you could just say that's not you they were chatting with.

It's a messy situation.  I'm like 90% confident that you were warned on other accounts and playing dumb now.  Common sense would tell you that when you get limited, it means they don't want your action, and opening a new account to get around those limits is the same as tricking them into taking action they don't want, which is nefarious.  

Rollbit needs to be extremely confident that the person behind this account is the person behind the other accounts that were explicitly warned.  I also think they've put themselves in a untenable situation by offering lines that can be beat while at the same time taking action from new accounts and enforcing limits on individuals.  They should figure out a solution or an innocent player will eventually have their funds seized and their reputation will be damaged. (1xbit is a well known scam casino that has this move in their business plan.  You don't want to be looked at like 1xbit)  I also think they should be explicit in their terms that using alts to get around sportsbook limits is not ok - yes, it's common sense, but clearly the fact that it's not in the terms will be enough to convince players to give it a shot and see what they can get away with.

Why would i even come back and deposit TEN THOUSAND if i would have received a warning and you threatened to seize my funds? This makes absolutely no sense.

Maybe you couldn't get action anywhere else with their lines, maybe you had your eye on a particularly juicy edge, you thought you'd get away with it, you thought you'd convince them to return the money if you didn't.  Lots of possible reasons.

I assume you were up significantly more than $10k on your other accounts.

[Danydee]

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

 So if I understand, when a user is making losses it is just ok,
 but if a user is doing profits you just limit or ban him ??



 @Lak93xy you could bring a lawsuit against them, similar cases has been got right delivered by the past.



 @Rollbit Razer , clearly you should at least let him withdraw the funds recently deposited...

 And wait for the trial.. there is plenty of players/sports betting (winner) that would very happy to sue you for your inequitable practices! 

[lesliegray]

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

This seems very suspicious of you. You don't prove anything you claim.

I can somewhat relate to the OP as I myself get limited very often. In these cases I never get any warnings at all. Why would you do this differently?

As OP states, why would he deposit the 10K if he knew you were going to confiscate the money? No one can be that stupid unless he has registered under other forms and if thats the case - how do you know it's him? Same ip? Registered under the same name? Same wallet address? Same email?

And how did he abuse the sportsbook? He clearly states that he is betting on NBA which is a big market.

I think you need to be more specific because your response leave many clues.

[Lak93xy]

This is simply not true, you have not warned me a single time nor have you ever banned one of my accounts before.

Please provide evidence of that.

Im sure there have to be chat messages or whatever.

If they post chat messages, you could just say that's not you they were chatting with.

It's a messy situation.  I'm like 90% confident that you were warned on other accounts and playing dumb now.  Common sense would tell you that when you get limited, it means they don't want your action, and opening a new account to get around those limits is the same as tricking them into taking action they don't want, which is nefarious.  

Rollbit needs to be extremely confident that the person behind this account is the person behind the other accounts that were explicitly warned.  I also think they've put themselves in a untenable situation by offering lines that can be beat while at the same time taking action from new accounts and enforcing limits on individuals.  They should figure out a solution or an innocent player will eventually have their funds seized and their reputation will be damaged. (1xbit is a well known scam casino that has this move in their business plan.  You don't want to be looked at like 1xbit)  I also think they should be explicit in their terms that using alts to get around sportsbook limits is not ok - yes, it's common sense, but clearly the fact that it's not in the terms will be enough to convince players to give it a shot and see what they can get away with.

Why would i even come back and deposit TEN THOUSAND if i would have received a warning and you threatened to seize my funds? This makes absolutely no sense.

Maybe you couldn't get action anywhere else with their lines, maybe you had your eye on a particularly juicy edge, you thought you'd get away with it, you thought you'd convince them to return the money if you didn't.  Lots of possible reasons.

I assume you were up significantly more than $10k on your other accounts.

Yea you are 90% sure, because since this thread started you have been basically always implying im talking some sort of bullshit for no reason.
Please keep blindly believing those bookies, but stop implying things here for no reason.

Also where is there proof of claim here? There argument is equally unfair, because they can just post chat messages and say its my account. How does that proof anything?
For example, its the first Account where they asked me to KYC. So theres literally only one account where ive done KYC.

Im willing to lay everything open. For a matter of fact, my accounts are not banned besides that one, and im willing to let someone from this forum as a middleman look into this accounts, and see my history AND most importantly that i havent received any warning. But obviously they could just investigate further now and ban those accounts and deny my access to them. (But i made screen recordings just now while im in the account, showing date and everything. So be careful rollbit )


Also, if they would have warned me on other accounts and decided to pull the plug on this one finally, why havent they mentioned anything about that in the chat messages they sent me in the end? I have the entire conversation screenshoted and not once have they said "because you have been warned before" or anything like that.

[Lak93xy]

 @Lak93xy you could bring a lawsuit against them, similar cases has been got right delivered by the past.

Yea, im considering that already. Even more after such an answer. I know my case is strong enough, since they cant back up anything they claim here.

[TwitchySeal]

Yea you are 90% sure, because since this thread started you have basically always implying im talking some sort of bullshit for no reason.
Please keep blindly believing those bookies, but stop implying things here for no reason.

I've given you several reasons for having my opinion - and I'm being pretty explicit about what my opinion is.  The biggest reason is that it's become a fairly regular thing for players to use multiple accounts to get around sportsbook limits after being caught, paid, and warned multiple times, and then come here and play dumb while telling only part of the story in a scam accusation thread hoping to manipulate the community into pressuring the book to pay them.  

Two examples (I'm much more confident than 90% for these):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383835.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.0

Your situation just has too much in common to overlook the possibility that you're doing the same thing.  I'm sorry if you're not - truly.  But keeping my mouth shut does more damage than sharing my thoughts (more players will keep doing this, using the forum to manipulate the community, until it doesn't work anymore).  At least imo.

[Lak93xy]

Yea you are 90% sure, because since this thread started you have basically always implying im talking some sort of bullshit for no reason.
Please keep blindly believing those bookies, but stop implying things here for no reason.

I've given you several reasons for having my opinion - and I'm being pretty explicit about what my opinion is.  The biggest reason is that it's become a fairly regular thing for players to use multiple accounts to get around sportsbook limits after being caught, paid, and warned multiple times, and then come here and play dumb while telling only part of the story in a scam accusation thread hoping to manipulate the community into pressuring the book to pay them.  

Two examples (I'm much more confident than 90% for these):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383835.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.0

Your situation just has too much in common to overlook the possibility that you're doing the same thing.  I'm sorry if you're not - truly.  But keeping my mouth shut does more damage than sharing my thoughts (more players will keep doing this, using the forum to manipulate the community, until it doesn't work anymore).  At least imo.

I get that. And i do know, that there are probably more people out there that will tell some bullshit than actually being not guilty.

Please also consider tho, how often casinos/sportsbooks do shady shit. You are kinda acting like they are always the victim and innocent.

And you must also admit, that you are not giving any chance here to proof different. You are constantly just coming forward and implying that im trying to play dumb or whatever. And i do think, that therefor you are actually doing damage. Because its nothing productive, you are not asking me to show proofs or anything, just saying that im probably guilty.

As i said, im very willing to lay things open, and proof that im not just telling 20% of the story.



Also just wanna add, that you are constantly leaving out the fact that they do not have this rule in their ToS. I get that you see a bad intention in my action, but you cant leave this very important fact aside. As i said before, i also play at different sportsbooks - and i respect their rules. Im not gonna multi account there - because its forbidden.

And almost certainly im not gonna risk 10k on a crypto casino if i have been warned before and risk losing my money.