Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗

[larry_vw_1955]

And almost certainly im not gonna risk 10k on a crypto casino if i have been warned before and risk losing my money.

So you don't have to answer but I'm curious as to why you wanted to play at this sportsbook so bad. Sounds like maybe you was trying to hit some off lines and lay them off somewhere else...but i could be wrong, haven't taken a look at what they have to offer.

Oh and if you really got scammed, I hate it for you but they don't exist to make you money.

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[Lak93xy]

And almost certainly im not gonna risk 10k on a crypto casino if i have been warned before and risk losing my money.

So you don't have to answer but I'm curious as to why you wanted to play at this sportsbook so bad. Sounds like maybe you was trying to hit some off lines and lay them off somewhere else...but i could be wrong, haven't taken a look at what they have to offer.

It has nothing to do with "wanting" to play at the book so badly.

Their odds are pretty standard, they have a decent provider. Nothing crazy tho and certainly no off line or w/e. I can post example of bets i played if that helps anything.

If you are a punter who bets higher amounts and your bets are kinda decent, you will get limited quite often and fast. Some books even limit your account because you deposit a bigger amount.

So i appreciated the fact that i could get bets placed there without too much trouble. I was actually a fan of their casino before, they have a decent rewards system etc. Its not like i discovered rollbit only because of the sportsbook in the first place.

Oh and if you really got scammed, I hate it for you but they don't exist to make you money.

I dont really understand what you are trying to say here.
Yea, casinos/sportbooks exist because they have an advantage. That dosnt mean that they are allowed to literally scam me & i should be ok with that lol.

[Pmalek]

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.
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you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

My suspicions were also that OP had done this before, but since you are now active in this thread, that needs to be proven somehow. So how can you prove that OP is a regular abuser of your site?

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

I have been saying that the whole time, but it would be better for the future if you explained what you consider to be nefarious purposes. I personally think that trying to circumvent betting restrictions is an example of such an action, the OP obviously doesn't. And what caused those other accounts to be banned? Was it betting above set betting limits or some other actions?

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

What you said can be understood in different ways. You are recouping your total losses suffered because of all the Rollbit abusers or you are only recouping losses from this particular player and his multiple accounts. While one thing is OK, the other surely isn't. But like I said previously, what's your proof the player has done these abusive things in the past already?

[larry_vw_1955]

It has nothing to do with "wanting" to play at the book so badly.

Well by your own admission, you created multiple accounts.

Their odds are pretty standard, they have a decent provider. Nothing crazy tho and certainly no off line or w/e. I can post example of bets i played if that helps anything.

if there wasn't anything special about their lines then why not post up at other sportsbooks to get more action? 

If you are a punter who bets higher amounts and your bets are kinda decent, you will get limited quite often and fast. Some books even limit your account because you deposit a bigger amount.

you ever read their reviews? https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.rollbit.com

some of them dont look so good do they?

So i appreciated the fact that i could get bets placed there without too much trouble. I was actually a fan of their casino before, they have a decent rewards system etc. Its not like i discovered rollbit only because of the sportsbook in the first place.

i would think there are better places to bet on sports.

I dont really understand what you are trying to say here.
Yea, casinos/sportbooks exist because they have an advantage. That dosnt mean that they are allowed to literally scam me & i should be ok with that lol.

I mean you have to be careful about where you bet your money at. Just because they have a built in advantage doesn't mean they like it when someone is making money off them. Especially if they are shady. A solid sportsbook might limit you or even boot you but they'll never steal your money.

[LoyceV]

you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

If that's the case, why didn't you update the Terms that state alt-accounts are allowed? That would have prevented a "he said she said" situation.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

How do you know the accounts belong to the same user?

you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

How do you define "abuse" in this case? Is it "winning consistently"? If that's the case, shouldn't you adjust the odds instead of blocking the user?

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from.

I don't think that's relevant, unless you can prove there's abuse going on. Like match-fixing, not just winning.

It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount

You're a casino, you're in the business of taking people's life savings. Playing the victim card doesn't seem right.

This is simply not true, you have not warned me a single time nor have you ever banned one of my accounts before.

If that's the case, you should leave negative feedback, and create a Flag to seek community support.

OR ur confusing other accounts with mine.

And that's the problem with allowing multiple accounts and setting arbitrary rules for some of them.

The biggest reason is that it's become a fairly regular thing for players to use multiple accounts to get around sportsbook limits after being caught, paid, and warned multiple times, and then come here and play dumb while telling only part of the story in a scam accusation thread hoping to manipulate the community into pressuring the book to pay them.

I've seen it, but still it doesn't feel right to limit some players because they won. That basically means the casino's system is flawed, but since they still make a profit from other users, they don't want to take it down.
Many cases can also mean the casinos make many victims, instead of many people trying to "abuse" the casino.

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As always LoyceV asks the questions that need to be answered.

I would love to see a reply to all of them by the accused party.

Good job Loyce, very well thought post!

[larry_vw_1955]

It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount

You're a casino, you're in the business of taking people's life savings. Playing the victim card doesn't seem right.

There's always 2 sides to every story and then there's the truth. without knowing exactly how much money they "lost" we can't really know anything. The OP hasn't explained how much money he popped them for either. Maybe he should do that. obviously he must know.

[Joca97]

It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount

You're a casino, you're in the business of taking people's life savings. Playing the victim card doesn't seem right.

There's always 2 sides to every story and then there's the truth. without knowing exactly how much money they "lost" we can't really know anything. The OP hasn't explained how much money he popped them for either. Maybe he should do that. obviously he must know.

Well we have heard both stories from the casino and the player. I think it dosent matter much how much he won,you can bet and win on other casinos aswell. As far as i seen the rules were different but still want to hear a little more from rollbit on this matter. I think they should change their policy for the future and not allow multi accounts so that situations like this dont happen again.

[LoyceV]

I would love to see a reply to all of them by the accused party.

To me, their silence speaks volumes. If they would have satisfying answers, they would have given them by now.

There's always 2 sides to every story and then there's the truth. without knowing exactly how much money they "lost" we can't really know anything.

Again: this doesn't matter. Their maximum profit combined with the house edge should ensure they never lose a significant portion of their bankroll. You win some, you lose some. And in the casino's case, they win more than they lose.

[larry_vw_1955]

Again: this doesn't matter. Their maximum profit combined with the house edge should ensure they never lose a significant portion of their bankroll. You win some, you lose some. And in the casino's case, they win more than they lose.

Since the op said 10 grand was alot for him then we can assume maybe that the amount in total he won from them is in the 5 figure range. Not 6. So not a huge amount of money for a business but still probably a bit outside of the norm for what they want in a typical gambling customer that uses their website. maybe that's why he's no longer welcome there.

We appreciate you bringing these issues forward but we must add further context that you failed to mention.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

if that's true then the op has no leg to stand on.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

if thats true then he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.

sounds like something people would try and do. i'm sure it's happened to you guys alot.

Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

and then he put in 10 grand into another account and that's when he got his funds frozen after all of that. if that's the case then he got treated pretty well i would say.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

I bet so. you have to hammer those nails when they come out of the woodwork.

I would think it is very nice of a sportsbook/casino to actually warn someone not to do something before they resorted to more extreme measures. I mean how much nicer can you be than that?

Like I said, 2 sides to every story. Then the truth...

[Lak93xy]

Since the op said 10 grand was alot for him then we can assume maybe that the amount in total he won from them is in the 5 figure range. Not 6. So not a huge amount of money for a business but still probably a bit outside of the norm for what they want in a typical gambling customer that uses their website. maybe that's why he's no longer welcome there.

Please focus and read the whole thread and include all the information that both sides have provided you. You're blindly talking outside of the scope here and not taking the most important bits of information into account here.

if that's true then the op has no leg to stand on.

What do you mean? I never said I didn't use multiple accounts - it is clear as a day that I did. The whole core of this topic here is that I opened up multiple accounts because their ToS allowed it and the website itself promoted it.

if thats true then he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Again, no warnings were given. Please read the thread again before you post anything here without understanding the context.

sounds like something people would try and do. i'm sure it's happened to you guys alot.

Again, as I told you, no warnings were given.

and then he put in 10 grand into another account and that's when he got his funds frozen after all of that. if that's the case then he got treated pretty well i would say.

Read the whole thread again - in what universe is it fair to steal $10k when I've been following all the terms & conditions on their website and confirmed that it was fine to use multiple accounts?

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

I bet so. you have to hammer those nails when they come out of the woodwork.

I would think it is very nice of a sportsbook/casino to actually warn someone not to do something before they resorted to more extreme measures. I mean how much nicer can you be than that?

Like I said, 2 sides to every story. Then the truth...

Please stop trolling. There are plenty of other threads where you can state such vague statements. You're literally not giving any important input here.
"How much nicer can you be than that" - So you just accept everything Razer told as truth, without any proof? Fine by me, but that's not the reason I've created this thread. I want to know why I've been treated the way I was, fair and square. I want them to work it out with me as their customer, not just drop a few sentences and think that's sufficient. Rollbit owes me $10k and they know it.

[larry_vw_1955]

What do you mean? I never said I didn't use multiple accounts - it is clear as a day that I did. The whole core of this topic here is that I opened up multiple accounts because their ToS allowed it and the website itself promoted it.

someone already pointed it out to you. maybe you should read it again.

Thing with sportsbooks is that limits are meant to be per-user (sometimes, household) and they usually don't like it when you try to avoid them with multi-accounting.

also if they ever give you your money back consider yourself lucky and hopefully we don't see you again in this type of situation.

[Lak93xy]

Another 10 days have passed.
Once again I'm asking Rollbit to please come forward with proof of their claims!
If you have such strong evidence of banned and warned accounts, I don't think it should be a problem providing this here & answer the other questions that came up since you posted your very short and vague statement.

[larry_vw_1955]

Another 10 days have passed.
Once again I'm asking Rollbit to please come forward with proof of their claims!
If you have such strong evidence of banned and warned accounts, I don't think it should be a problem providing this here & answer the other questions that came up since you posted your very short and vague statement.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.rollbit.com

just imagine. you could ding their 4.5 out of 5 star rating if you left them a negative review. it might go down to 4 stars for a while.

[Lak93xy]

Posting a summary here again, so it is easier for Razer/Rollbit to answer.

This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.

Partially correct. This was not my first account on Rollbit. Previous accounts were limited, and none of them were banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.

No warnings were given. Please back your claims, Razer.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.

There was nothing nefarious about my behavior. I never abused any bonuses, coupons, or chat features.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.
Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.

Incorrect, no warnings were given. Again, please provide us the proof.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

Recouping losses, as a bookmaker by seizing deposits? Furthermore, please back your claims with evidence.

TLDR: Razer is either lying or confusing someone else's accounts with mine.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.rollbit.com

just imagine. you could ding their 4.5 out of 5 star rating if you left them a negative review. it might go down to 4 stars for a while.

Thanks for the link. Will do!

[Lak93xy]

Another 10 days have passed.
Once again I'm asking Rollbit to please come forward with proof of their claims!
If you have such strong evidence of banned and warned accounts, I don't think it should be a problem providing this here & answer the other questions that came up since you posted your very short and vague statement.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.rollbit.com

just imagine. you could ding their 4.5 out of 5 star rating if you left them a negative review. it might go down to 4 stars for a while.

Also its pretty odd to me that the only time you have ever answered to a scam accusation is this thread  And additionally you are so invested aswell...

[larry_vw_1955]

Also its pretty odd to me that the only time you have ever answered to a scam accusation is this thread  And additionally you are so invested aswell...

as well it seems odd to me that this is the fist time you ever got into trouble with a sportsbook/casino behaving the way you did with rollbit. did you leave your trustpilot review?

[Lak93xy]

Also its pretty odd to me that the only time you have ever answered to a scam accusation is this thread  And additionally you are so invested aswell...

as well it seems odd to me that this is the fist time you ever got into trouble with a sportsbook/casino behaving the way you did with rollbit. did you leave your trustpilot review?

I think there are PLENTY other cases here, where its obvious that those dudes are doing it on other platforms. I think i broke down my reasoning why i behaved the way i behaved often enough.

Still weird, that there you dont feel the need to be sarcastic and get involved on those other threads. Shilling is a thing i heared .

[larry_vw_1955]

I think there are PLENTY other cases here, where its obvious that those dudes are doing it on other platforms. I think i broke down my reasoning why i behaved the way i behaved often enough.

Still weird, that there you dont feel the need to be sarcastic and get involved on those other threads. Shilling is a thing i heared .

if you look at their trustpilot, do you see other people complaining that they had a large deposit confiscated and the company just told them they wouldn't give it back to them? Is that a pattern we see on all the hundreds of trustpilot reviews? Do we even see that at all?

you gonna leave that trustpilot review and give them a chance to reply on there? seems like they used to reply to people back in 2020 maybe part of 2021. not sure if they do now...

[Lak93xy]

I think there are PLENTY other cases here, where its obvious that those dudes are doing it on other platforms. I think i broke down my reasoning why i behaved the way i behaved often enough.

Still weird, that there you dont feel the need to be sarcastic and get involved on those other threads. Shilling is a thing i heared .

if you look at their trustpilot, do you see other people complaining that they had a large deposit confiscated and the company just told them they wouldn't give it back to them? Is that a pattern we see on all the hundreds of trustpilot reviews? Do we even see that at all?

you gonna leave that trustpilot review and give them a chance to reply on there? seems like they used to reply to people back in 2020 maybe part of 2021. not sure if they do now...

Good job on dodging everything else i said. Pretty obvious to me what you are doing here.

Anyways, they are aware of this post and know where to answer. Why would i open a new discussion on trustpilot, your logic makes no sense.

IF id post that on trustpilot its just to flag them on multiple platforms.


And no i dont see that on trustpilot, which still makes absolutely no sense to even bring up. This is a very unique situation & im asking them to provide proof of what they are claiming here.

Maybe you can just accept that and move on instead of trolling here and being sarcastic + not providing anything productive. Im sure that should be no problem.


Unless.... shilling