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December 02, 2022, 10:54:58 PM
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Also, if it is not a luck based game, how would a casino integrate it into their online games? They would need to either buy a game built based on an algorithmic way to ensure that nobody can cheat by figuring out the algorithm.
If you never knew, the cock fighting is equally a luck base game, as in most cases is not always the biggest cock who wins a fight, just as in our normal MMA fighting, which requires skills, basic experience and more exposure to other cock for fighting will determine if a cock might either win or lose a fight during the main gambling fight.
And this game can be integrated into a programmable form into online gambling

Size doesnt really matter on cockfighting but rather would be entirely depending on how that rooster had been trained off plus having that good body condition.I dont know on how these cock trainers do train out their cocks but its true that luck would be always take up a huge factor on determining the winner of the said fight.

We know that lucky hits could happen specially on a cockfight game where blades had been used into their feet and on the time that they do fight then we
cant really guarantee on whose gonna win.

This is what makes those bettors really been thrilled when making up these kind of bets which some people do discriminate nor having negative
impressions because of that animal cruelty thing.

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December 02, 2022, 11:09:38 PM
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Size doesnt really matter on cockfighting but rather would be entirely depending on how that rooster had been trained off plus having that good body condition.I dont know on how these cock trainers do train out their cocks but its true that luck would be always take up a huge factor on determining the winner of the said fight.

Game cocks are being treated with regular vitamins and supplements to help its muscle grow especially in the leg area as that was where the blade is attached. With strong legs too, these cocks will improve their leaping ability which is a good advantage. The physical training is done thru fighting with other game cocks but of course, without the metal blade attached to its legs.

I've already witnessed and seen several practices and training related to this many times as it was a common hobby back then during my childhood days in the 90s when there was even a practice right directly on the street.

That's how expensive this kind of activity is for the owners. Here in our country, cockfighting is one of the biggest gambling industry here.

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December 03, 2022, 01:58:25 AM
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Police and politician are also involve in this industry so this makes this thing even harder to stop. Manny Pacquiao, a champion boxer turned politician used to have a gamefowl farm which was too big that a company of goons have to guard it hehe.

this is true that the involvement of Big fishes and politicians makes this gambling famous and untouchable for many years , though we are talking about crypto adoption here yet this may be transform in any time soon.
because like in our government that the online Cock fight had been closed but still there are plenty of operators that runs this and completely operating still .
What happens is that those kind of illegal events are organized regionally, so a central government has a lot of problems trying to eradicate it as the local authorities not only are not very cooperative but they also hinder their efforts, so they can never find the farms in which the animals are kept or the place where the fights are held, which is a shame as cock fights are clearly a case of animal cruelty as animals die or are maimed during those fights.
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December 03, 2022, 02:23:18 AM
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For me personally this type of Cock fighting bet is not that challenging. Even though some of my friends really like being around the Cock fighting arena and placing bets on one of the cocks, I just watch it without making any bets there.
I prefer betting in casinos and it is more challenging for me, self involved play is more fulfilling for me than placing bets on Cock fighting.

  It may not be a thrill for you, but for others, it is exciting for them, the others even raise high-breed chickens that will be fought like that and then bet a large amount of money.

Although we are also not interested in his kind of gambling. I remembered the first time I watched a chicken fight, the noise around me, I could still hear what I was talking about, but when the fight started, it was very noisy and almost everyone was shouting because of their excitement.

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December 04, 2022, 12:25:20 PM
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In one of the provinces in my country, cockfighting is part of the traditional ceremony.
Tajen, that's how the Balinese call it. cockfighting tradition there, usually only held on certain days. Cockfighting in one area of ​​my country is related to sincere holy sacrifices for Bhuta Kala. so this tradition has nothing to do with gambling, this tradition has been around since ancient times. however, in other regions or areas of the province. cockfighting, being part of the traditional gambling tradition.

Now, everything has been banned and become illegal except in one area that I mentioned above. Cockfighting gambling activities have been banned, anyone caught will be subject to criminal sanctions. after all, in this era of advanced technology. there are many more fun entertainment options, there are online casinos with a variety of betting games in them. why adopt a tradition and culture that only tortures animals, which actually the animals have the right to live freely.
oh yes I know about the tradition in Bali.
Cockfighting in Bali is not only limited to entertainment or entertainment, but it is carried out according to sacred traditions which are carried out on certain days.
If cockfighting is done for tradition, I will appreciate it because indeed it is an ancient tradition that is mandatory. anyways it's not done every day or every time.


I agree with you that there are lots of very interesting gambling games and I don't think it is necessary to involve innocent animals for the sake of entertainment and for the benefit of gambling

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December 04, 2022, 02:23:05 PM
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For me personally this type of Cock fighting bet is not that challenging. Even though some of my friends really like being around the Cock fighting arena and placing bets on one of the cocks, I just watch it without making any bets there.
I prefer betting in casinos and it is more challenging for me, self involved play is more fulfilling for me than placing bets on Cock fighting.

  It may not be a thrill for you, but for others, it is exciting for them, the others even raise high-breed chickens that will be fought like that and then bet a large amount of money.

Although we are also not interested in his kind of gambling. I remembered the first time I watched a chicken fight, the noise around me, I could still hear what I was talking about, but when the fight started, it was very noisy and almost everyone was shouting because of their excitement.
This is what makes cockfighting still one of the traditional bets that attract the interest of many people because there is a tense factor there. But I didn't have the heart to watch it, let alone place a bet on one of the chickens. I prefer to watch people play cards in a casino and even though I don't place bets, it is a joy. Yes, betting on cockfights is very busy because everyone has his choice and wants them to win.

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December 04, 2022, 05:06:13 PM
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All animals have the right to life. It's not right to use them in deadly fights. It is unacceptable even to do it in ancient times. It is very sad to hear about such incidents in modern times. Anyone can bet with modern technological methods instead of harming animals. Because today, almost everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. And almost everyone has access to the Internet. It saddens me to hear such incidents in the modern age. Such a gamble would never be fun for me. I never took such a gamble. And I would never gamble like that. I would never go to a casino that organizes such a gamble. I have to admit that I am disappointed that such a gamble is considered normal.

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December 04, 2022, 05:27:52 PM
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Although we are also not interested in his kind of gambling. I remembered the first time I watched a chicken fight, the noise around me, I could still hear what I was talking about, but when the fight started, it was very noisy and almost everyone was shouting because of their excitement.

It is barbaric actually to watch this kind of fight that has no referee to separate them . The fight sometimes becomes very intense and you see them bleeding from the crown and the head altogether. It is not a thing that we should be encouraging. Some people don't watch horror films because of the fear and blood that is seen and that is how it looks when watching two chicken killing themselves in fighting while betting on them is on.

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December 04, 2022, 06:21:49 PM
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All animals have the right to life. It's not right to use them in deadly fights. It is unacceptable even to do it in ancient times. It is very sad to hear about such incidents in modern times. Anyone can bet with modern technological methods instead of harming animals. Because today, almost everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. And almost everyone has access to the Internet. It saddens me to hear such incidents in the modern age. Such a gamble would never be fun for me. I never took such a gamble. And I would never gamble like that. I would never go to a casino that organizes such a gamble. I have to admit that I am disappointed that such a gamble is considered normal.
Unfortunately, the statement "All animals have the right to life." isn't true. These chickens or cock will die either way even if they will not be used on these fights. They will serve as a meal for almost everyone, the same goes to most animals that are used for consumption.

What's wrong with cock fights are the unnecessary violence which will cause these animals to be hurt. That's also what most animal activist fight for since these animals can feel pain unlike other animals that don't. If they should be killed, it should be humane and painless or quick.

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Size doesnt really matter on cockfighting but rather would be entirely depending on how that rooster had been trained off plus having that good body condition.I dont know on how these cock trainers do train out their cocks but its true that luck would be always take up a huge factor on determining the winner of the said fight.

In a fighting cocks size does matter because they can hit harder, just like in boxing, bigger cocks can kill their opponent in one go since they hit harder and can pierce the opponent deeper or cut through the flesh of their opponent easily. I believe this is another reason why the cocks are paired according to weight[1].

We know that lucky hits could happen specially on a cockfight game where blades had been used into their feet and on the time that they do fight then we
cant really guarantee on whose gonna win.

True, it is a matter of luck and skill of the rooster.

This is what makes those bettors really been thrilled when making up these kind of bets which some people do discriminate nor having negative
impressions because of that animal cruelty thing.

No, I think the bloodbath scene makes the bettor thrilled about this kind of gambling.  If they wanted excitement, slots game gives more variety of results and are specifically based on luck.  I think it is the scene of watching two cocks fight to the death that makes them thrilled.



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December 04, 2022, 10:29:52 PM
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Size doesnt really matter on cockfighting but rather would be entirely depending on how that rooster had been trained off plus having that good body condition.I dont know on how these cock trainers do train out their cocks but its true that luck would be always take up a huge factor on determining the winner of the said fight.

Size matters because it has an advantage over smaller fowl. But in "ulutan", you should be wise in choosing your opponent. The longer the legs of the opponent, the harder it is to beat. They have a reach advantage, so size does matter. It is more even in derby because they have a range in weight, which makes the fowls more likely to be the same size.

Other factors count too. Like the bloodline of the fowl, health issues, conditioning, and the position of the gaff. If the gaffer is inexperienced, he may not get the right position for sure kill hits. Luck is a factor too, but sometimes it is dismissed because if you have a strong bloodline and well-conditioned fowl, the chance of winning is a lot higher.

What happens is that those kind of illegal events are organized regionally, so a central government has a lot of problems trying to eradicate it as the local authorities not only are not very cooperative but they also hinder their efforts, so they can never find the farms in which the animals are kept or the place where the fights are held, which is a shame as cock fights are clearly a case of animal cruelty as animals die or are maimed during those fights.

It is not hard to find farms of fighting fowl. They even have regular TV shows in our country. They announce Breeders of the Year, and they feature good farms to teach backyard breeders the proper way of taking care of their own fowls.

It is also not that hard to find illegal cock fights, because cockfights are very noisy. You can hear the shouts of gamblers from very far. If there is a good group of cockfight gamblers, you can hear them a kilometer away. You can just follow the noise and you will find them. It is just an accepted practice in some provinces though, even if it is illegal. It is a weekly activity, so if the cops really want to put a stop to it, they just have to put effort 1 day per week to catch the organizers and some gamblers.
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December 04, 2022, 11:34:02 PM
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Size matters because it has an advantage over smaller fowl. But in "ulutan", you should be wise in choosing your opponent. The longer the legs of the opponent, the harder it is to beat. They have a reach advantage, so size does matter. It is more even in derby because they have a range in weight, which makes the fowls more likely to be the same size.

This is correct. Since the main weapon is attached to the legs, reaching advantage is very important.

Having a big size too means that the fighting cock is really taken care of and treated well with boosters, vitamins, supplements, etc.

However, in most cases, it seems rare to see that in a certain match, we will notice a much big size difference between 2 cocks that will set to fight. There's a category or sort of brackets at this match, of course, to balance everything.

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December 05, 2022, 02:18:25 AM
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All animals have the right to life. It's not right to use them in deadly fights. It is unacceptable even to do it in ancient times. It is very sad to hear about such incidents in modern times. Anyone can bet with modern technological methods instead of harming animals. Because today, almost everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. And almost everyone has access to the Internet. It saddens me to hear such incidents in the modern age. Such a gamble would never be fun for me. I never took such a gamble. And I would never gamble like that. I would never go to a casino that organizes such a gamble. I have to admit that I am disappointed that such a gamble is considered normal.
We live in a world filled with various cultures, maybe this is one of the various others or maybe even more extreme out there and we can't prevent it. I wouldn't ever use it also even rats, birds, or fish, but we can't avoid to see this daily when live on that culture, we can't forbid it when everyone like it, and in fact, if we forced everyone to not use it, we will get hate and be excommunicated from the community.

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All animals have the right to life. It's not right to use them in deadly fights. It is unacceptable even to do it in ancient times. It is very sad to hear about such incidents in modern times. Anyone can bet with modern technological methods instead of harming animals. Because today, almost everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. And almost everyone has access to the Internet. It saddens me to hear such incidents in the modern age. Such a gamble would never be fun for me. I never took such a gamble. And I would never gamble like that. I would never go to a casino that organizes such a gamble. I have to admit that I am disappointed that such a gamble is considered normal.
We live in a world filled with various cultures, maybe this is one of the various others or maybe even more extreme out there and we can't prevent it. I wouldn't ever use it also even rats, birds, or fish, but we can't avoid to see this daily when live on that culture, we can't forbid it when everyone like it, and in fact, if we forced everyone to not use it, we will get hate and be excommunicated from the community.


Valid point.

Everyone has their own culture and tradition they grew up with and preferred to live up to today. We really have no control over other people's decision about these things because it's still a matter of preference and viewpoint. If it is considered to be legal in your country and the operators you have are operating legally and have proper documents and permits to let them hold such organized events of cock fighting, then do what suits you best. If that's how you get entertainment from, I won't impose my beliefs on you.

But personally, I'd rather play casino games or sports betting rather engaging in gambling betting involving animal cruelty. Although this is just me, since I can't really take violence and cruelty among animals who can grant permission on their end. As long as it isn't prohibited by the government, then we have a little to worry about because if it is legal, then they have the means to regulate it.
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I am not a big fan of animal fighting. It might be fun to watch but it could also be painful to see them suffering simply because of the useless human desire to gamble. Imagine rams dying or seriously injured because their owners want them to fight. But that's not for me to judge. In my opinion, it is not that interesting but I'm also aware that it's part of other people's culture. I respect that also.

But this couldn't be introduced in a casino probably because it is not a very acceptable form of gambling. Horse racing or dog racing would be all right but not those animal games that involve them dying.
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All animals have the right to life. It's not right to use them in deadly fights. It is unacceptable even to do it in ancient times. It is very sad to hear about such incidents in modern times. Anyone can bet with modern technological methods instead of harming animals. Because today, almost everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. And almost everyone has access to the Internet. It saddens me to hear such incidents in the modern age. Such a gamble would never be fun for me. I never took such a gamble. And I would never gamble like that. I would never go to a casino that organizes such a gamble. I have to admit that I am disappointed that such a gamble is considered normal.
We live in a world filled with various cultures, maybe this is one of the various others or maybe even more extreme out there and we can't prevent it. I wouldn't ever use it also even rats, birds, or fish, but we can't avoid to see this daily when live on that culture, we can't forbid it when everyone like it, and in fact, if we forced everyone to not use it, we will get hate and be excommunicated from the community.

Yes, when the game is allowed by a large community, it is not possible to implement anything good or evil. If the local people do not agree.  you will never be able to stop those games. Where some people are enjoying the pleasure. However, I will not consider the games of the players who have a threat to playing the game and when i will not control this situation, definitely will hate it silently. I consider it is a death trap of animal not the game.

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December 05, 2022, 07:14:54 AM
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I am not a big fan of animal fighting. It might be fun to watch but it could also be painful to see them suffering simply because of the useless human desire to gamble. Imagine rams dying or seriously injured because their owners want them to fight. But that's not for me to judge. In my opinion, it is not that interesting but I'm also aware that it's part of other people's culture. I respect that also.

But this couldn't be introduced in a casino probably because it is not a very acceptable form of gambling. Horse racing or dog racing would be all right but not those animal games that involve them dying.

They don't often don't show the state of the animals after the fight because they know what will gonna happen when the public concern will gonna do something and that would be the end of their brutal games for the animals. I remember one time in school when I catch some wild spiders in the tree when I was young, A man came and get all of my spiders and he let them all go without getting any explanations from me. He might have thought that I might gonna use it for gambling but in reality, I will gonna keep them as a pet back then. If only most people will act like him, especially those people that are in the government, they will gonna support these kinds of cruel acts against the animals but we know that most of them prefer to get money from those envelopes rather than stop them.

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December 05, 2022, 08:10:29 AM
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Cock fighting is a kind of gamble that bet is placed on the two cocks whereby if cock A wins all cock A supporters wins. It is a legalize gamble in some part of Asia

In the westside of my country during sallah, the Muslims buy rams for celebration, if the ram is bought before the day it will be slaughtered, one of the youth in the family will secretly take this ram out to the field were other Muslim people are with their rams for gambling.

It use to be fun when you see this ram nodding themselves to the extent that some rams might even die at the process of fighting and some rams will lose their horns. Money is been made at this period because so many gamblers will go there to stake on a ram in other to make profit

This kind of gambling is always fun because these animals fights in the circle of human, have you been involved in this kind of animal gambling or have you watched such game before. Can such game be in the casino?
Come on you can't be serious? How do you enjoy seeing animals fighting and getting killed and you enjoy it ! If you are a real muslim you know that any kind of gambling or hurting animals is forbiden to do without any excuse
That shouldn't be legal no matter what animal you're using to gamble with since they have no rules of security and safe measures like for example gambling in UFC fights that has rules and fighters there are well trained.
You wouldn't like that someone take you and put you in a cage and make you fight to death with someone else! So why doing it to animals. It's no fun at all
But i still see that in most Muslim countries too even that they know it's forbiden in islam. In my region they are using sheeps to fight and most of the time they end up dying with very bad injuries since they are using their head. The seen is terrible but people enjoys it and gamble for it.

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December 05, 2022, 09:07:42 AM
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Also, if it is not a luck based game, how would a casino integrate it into their online games? They would need to either buy a game built based on an algorithmic way to ensure that nobody can cheat by figuring out the algorithm.
If you never knew, the cock fighting is equally a luck base game, as in most cases is not always the biggest cock who wins a fight, just as in our normal MMA fighting, which requires skills, basic experience and more exposure to other cock for fighting will determine if a cock might either win or lose a fight during the main gambling fight.
And this game can be integrated into a programmable form into online gambling

Luck is a factor in everything, but compared to purely luck-based games, cock fighting is definitely not one of them. It can be compared to MMA fighting, you are right, but the big difference is that MMA fighters voluntarily take part in the event, while roosters are basically forced to participate.

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December 05, 2022, 09:32:45 AM
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It's very common in our country and there are even online casinos that are focused only on this type of match. I'm not into it but there's been a big issue about it because that owner of roosters that are cheating, they're releasing in the cockpit a weak rooster, and then they'll bet on the opponent's side. There are a lot of those people involved that have been kidnapped and until now, no one knows about their whereabouts.

I bet you are from an Asian country as I have heard issues about it too. I should say I am not into cockfighting too because maybe that’s not my type of the game. And if ask if it should be given to play in casinos, I think it would hardly happen because it’s now starting to be banned because of some associated negative feedbacks about it. And to think that it’s way more beyond from protecting our animals, definitely it should never be encouraged to become seen in casinos.

Even regular people will know that issue, it is quite a big mess knowing that there's a lot of cock handlers who are reported to be missing and up to this moment, the case is not yet solved and slowly by slowly, that same issue will be forgotten because the families of the missing agents are not making any fuss anymore and it's been speculated that they've handed cold hard cash by the people behind it. Even the government and its police seems not looking into it as well.

These days, the online casino that are focused on cockfighting is slowly getting back to its normal phase. For now, they are still operating under the government's radar because of the said ban but they are looking forward to see that ban lifted so that they will surface again. It's really not that far from happening because the government can use the humungous revenues generated by this casino but the consequence is just too hard to accept.

It involves a huge amount of amount that's why there must be someone with authority or even syndicates running cockpit operations. It could also be one of the reasons why police and the authorities take time to solve the issue because huge names are operating it and involved in the case. There's also news that family members of the missing agents are getting an offer (a huge amount of money) from the cockpit operator to keep their mouths shut or stop making fuss.
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