[Boxing] Devin Haney vs Vasiliy Lomachenco - May 20

[inthelongrun]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

I also have a feeling that Haney's contract with TR ends after the Loma fight. There's a huge chance that Haney will go back to Matchroom where he was first given an opportunity and knowing how deep DAZN's budget is compared to that of ESPN and Showtime. Although the biggest names at super lightweight were from TR except for Prograis. Nonetheless, I am still rooting for my man Loma despite looking past his prime who is already in his mid-30s.

[Vaculin]

There are some rumors circulating that it is possible that the fight deal won't realized because Haney had found way to evade Lomachenko by asking higher percentage income on the fight.  If we can recall Haney had demanded some advantage on the split and Lomachenko camp agreed.  Now Haney is asking for another raise of percentage and the camp of Lomachenko hasn't replied yet.

I don’t think Haney is ready to beat Lomachenko because it’s obvious with all these issues, Haney seems trying to evade from this fight not to happen. But that is not the case with Lomachenko as he is even more motivated to win and definitely want to beat Haney since it would put him back as one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world. This is another one big fight for the battle for lightweight glory so this should not be canceled or postponed either way.

This just shows that people are indeed divided in this fight because there also fans out there who believed that Haney could defeat the former champion, and some are also favoring Lomachenko as they also believed that he can still be a champion once again. But there's this fact that it's hard to deny and that was Loma's recent fight with Barrios, I mean, I know he's still good but he is not that agile anymore unlike in the old days where he is like gliding in the ring blinding his foes in corners. Still, it's a must prove to Loma if he still has that skills and show that world that he was just adjusting on his recent fight.

Its' really hard to imagine how the fight will turn out, others says it's 50/50 because of the contrasting style of the two. Just to correct you though, Loma's recent fight is with the young and bigger Ortiz not Barrios.

But in any case, not sure who to bet on this fight, maybe before the actual schedule of the fight I will decided who is to bet.

Right now, when the negotiations is still ongoing as there are news that Haney wanted more money, I don't know who to go to.

Yes, it's indeed 50:50 even for me. Seeing Loma fighting Ortiz recently made me think that this guy is just feeling the ring and adjusting because inactive for quite a long time because of the war. He may surprise us if ever this fight will push through because I really don't believe that Loma will suddenly turn to a decent boxer from being a master of technicalities and a hard one to predict.

But judging the current situation, we can't say yet if this fight is already good to go even if they already figured out the date. Although I seriously do think that Bob Arum will somehow figure out what to do in this kind of situation as of course this is not his first time encountering this kind of scenario.

That's also what I'm thinking, he lost the belt to Lopez because he has a shoulder injury and then when back and beat Nakatani by TKO and then Richard Commey by decision and then the war started and his supposedly fight with Kambosos was postponed.

And so it's a different situation wherein you are coming back from a injury as opposed to being away from boxing because you have to defend your motherland in a war. Poles apart, so the mindset is not the same when he had his comeback against Ortiz.

Aside from that, Loma wasn't that much inactive for a long time to even consider that his inactivity poses a threat to his career which will make him rusty in the ring, no, he was only inactive for almost a year because a war suddenly broke up after he fought Commey last December of 2021. I remember that fans are so glad to see him again in the ring, but the expectation wasn't met. This time, I got a feeling that this will be a close fight as Loma was already longing for his lost belts that is now with Devin Haney and let's just hope that there will be no sudden issues again that will rise that could delay the fight once more.

[Japinat]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

The lightweight division will get intense if ever Haney climbs the upper weight class and vacates his belt, we will see Tank Davis-Lomachenko-Ryan Garcia-Shakur Stevenson fighting for it as it's their long wanted chance and maybe even Kambosos Jr. will participate the said vacated belts too. But before all of that, I want to see Shakur getting tested by Haney first because these two camps already exchange some words before Haney was set to fight Loma.

[Baofeng]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

The lightweight division will get intense if ever Haney climbs the upper weight class and vacates his belt, we will see Tank Davis-Lomachenko-Ryan Garcia-Shakur Stevenson fighting for it as it's their long wanted chance and maybe even Kambosos Jr. will participate the said vacated belts too. But before all of that, I want to see Shakur getting tested by Haney first because these two camps already exchange some words before Haney was set to fight Loma.

I think Garcia and Davis might move up to 140 lbs too, their fight is on a catch weight of 136 lbs, Davis has fought Barrios at 140 lbs and Ryan has struggled keeping up at the weight limit of 135 lbs.

So most likely, it will be Shakur and Loma that will remain in this division. Haney could go up as well depending on the result of his fight with Loma. But most likely as I have said, he will definitely have to move up to welterweight. Loma if he become the champion, will probably remain in this division until he retires, he is small for 140 lbs and he is going to be eaten alive if he decided to move up.

[TravelMug]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

I also have a feeling that Haney's contract with TR ends after the Loma fight. There's a huge chance that Haney will go back to Matchroom where he was first given an opportunity and knowing how deep DAZN's budget is compared to that of ESPN and Showtime. Although the biggest names at super lightweight were from TR except for Prograis. Nonetheless, I am still rooting for my man Loma despite looking past his prime who is already in his mid-30s.

I don't know if it will be a good move for Haney to go somewhere else, Bob has delivered the fight that the wanted and become a unified champion. So doesn't make sense for him as TR as most of the 135-140 lbs champion as compare to Matchroom. Although there is already a sign that the relationship might have crack already when the Haney's demanded for money from this fight. So let's see if he will remain with TR or chooses to go somewhere else and chase more money, not for the legacy or belt.

[LUCKMCFLY]

There are some rumors circulating that it is possible that the fight deal won't realized because Haney had found way to evade Lomachenko by asking higher percentage income on the fight.  If we can recall Haney had demanded some advantage on the split and Lomachenko camp agreed.  Now Haney is asking for another raise of percentage and the camp of Lomachenko hasn't replied yet.

This is the news about this:

Mike Coppinger of ESPN reports that undisputed lightweight champion Haney (29-0, 15 KOs) was “concessions” from the former three-division world champion Lomachenko (17-2, 11 KOs) in terms of money to make the fight happen for May 20th. That being the case, the 34-year-old Lomachenko will need to give up some of the money to Haney that he was hoping to get for the fight if he wants the opportunity to challenge for his four belts.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/01/devin-haney-wants-concessions-from-vasyl-lomachenko-negotiations-stalled/

Yeah, it will be a problem for Arum if the camp of Haney is insisting for more money and this could be the start of a strain between him and the Haney's specially if he doesn't want to give in to the demands.

Hopefully the demand in money is that the big too, and yeah, maybe Top Rank can shoulder it, instead of seeing this fighting collapses in front of us.

Haney might have the right to demand more as he is the unified champion.

Oh, this is another road block, not sure who is to blame if the fight is not going to happen because I do agree that as a unified champion, Haney has every right for higher purse. But on the other hand, Loma is big name as well and could be the one bringing more fans in the building for this fight.

So he might not agree even for a 60/40 split in favor of Haney. Maybe Bob Arum can weave his magic since both of this fighters are under his banner.

Let's wait we still have months for this negotiations to settle.

I don't know about you but I have an opinion that is somewhat distant from this, and it is that things are not being done in favor of the sport, from what I have seen everything focuses on money, if a fight is arranged, what they see first is if It will make a lot of money with sales or not, this to know if it is good to make the investment or not, then it brings this type of consequence within the boxers themselves, that one wants to earn more than the other, that the organizers may have a type preferably towards a particular boxer, because they know that that boxer moves people, sometimes the demand is not enough for the event, then the business model comes first before the sport, and if the money is not enough, well the fight is not done.


and:

Bill Haney Goes On Rant Over Hopkins Criticizing Devin

Bill feels that Hopkins, who he labels as a former “cat burglar” who spent time in prison, should be saying positive things about Devin (29-0, 15 KOs) and other young fighters instead of “downing” them when a mic is put in front of him. Bill says undisputed lightweight champion Haney will be making more money in his next fight on May 20th against Vasyl Lomachenko than the former two-division world champion Hopkins did during his entire 28-year professional career. It’s hard to believe Haney will make more money in his fight with Lomachenko than Hopkins did in almost 30 years as a pro. According to Celebrity Net Worth, Hopkins’ net worth is $45 million.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/02/bill-haney-goes-on-rant-over-hopkins-criticizing-devin/

[Dave1]

^ Not sure why Bernard Hopkins throw that on Bill Haney, but it's true, the older Haney has been put to jail when he was younger for crimes and this is one reason why he almost not made it to his son first fight in Australia because the Victorian government is strict with regards to individual entering their country with prior convictions in the US.

Regarding the money, you can't compare era's, maybe in this era Hopkins because a great middle weight champion would have earn a lot more in his career in the past.

[yazher]

^ Not sure why Bernard Hopkins throw that on Bill Haney, but it's true, the older Haney has been put to jail when he was younger for crimes and this is one reason why he almost not made it to his son first fight in Australia because the Victorian government is strict with regards to individual entering their country with prior convictions in the US.

Regarding the money, you can't compare era's, maybe in this era Hopkins because a great middle weight champion would have earn a lot more in his career in the past.

They are just doing it for recognition because most of them are not being mentioned nowadays. Still, Haney has done great all these years and his performance is at his own best. That's why he always gets this kind of statement whether from the old era or now. His fight will gonna be a real challenge for him since his opponent is not some common boxer and can really give him hard time this time. Also, his clean record is eager to reach even numbers that will gonna give him more motivation for winning.

[Yaunfitda]

^ Not sure why Bernard Hopkins throw that on Bill Haney, but it's true, the older Haney has been put to jail when he was younger for crimes and this is one reason why he almost not made it to his son first fight in Australia because the Victorian government is strict with regards to individual entering their country with prior convictions in the US.

Regarding the money, you can't compare era's, maybe in this era Hopkins because a great middle weight champion would have earn a lot more in his career in the past.

They are just doing it for recognition because most of them are not being mentioned nowadays. Still, Haney has done great all these years and his performance is at his own best. That's why he always gets this kind of statement whether from the old era or now. His fight will gonna be a real challenge for him since his opponent is not some common boxer and can really give him hard time this time. Also, his clean record is eager to reach even numbers that will gonna give him more motivation for winning.

Yes, Haney as a young age has accomplished a lot, winning all the belts against Kambosos, that is already a huge accomplishment for him. There is no need to compare him to Hopkins or whoever it is, its from a old era.

There are haters in any sports, even Lebron does have a lot of haters even if he is the best right now surpassing KAJ record.

So just let it be, he should be just thinking of beating Loma next in his fight, that's it.

[Japinat]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

The lightweight division will get intense if ever Haney climbs the upper weight class and vacates his belt, we will see Tank Davis-Lomachenko-Ryan Garcia-Shakur Stevenson fighting for it as it's their long wanted chance and maybe even Kambosos Jr. will participate the said vacated belts too. But before all of that, I want to see Shakur getting tested by Haney first because these two camps already exchange some words before Haney was set to fight Loma.

I think Garcia and Davis might move up to 140 lbs too, their fight is on a catch weight of 136 lbs, Davis has fought Barrios at 140 lbs and Ryan has struggled keeping up at the weight limit of 135 lbs.

So most likely, it will be Shakur and Loma that will remain in this division. Haney could go up as well depending on the result of his fight with Loma. But most likely as I have said, he will definitely have to move up to welterweight. Loma if he become the champion, will probably remain in this division until he retires, he is small for 140 lbs and he is going to be eaten alive if he decided to move up.

Is that so? Thanks for sharing that mate, I know that Ryan Garcia is somehow struggling to keep his weight at 135, that is why their upcoming fight is a catchweight at 136 but what I didn't know was that Davis will also make his own climb maybe in the next following years because of the same issue. Now, if that will be indeed the case soon then Shakur Stevenson has almost all odds in his favor. But for Haney going to 147 from 136 is quite scary to think, but let's see if he can manage to keep up.

[Jating]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

The lightweight division will get intense if ever Haney climbs the upper weight class and vacates his belt, we will see Tank Davis-Lomachenko-Ryan Garcia-Shakur Stevenson fighting for it as it's their long wanted chance and maybe even Kambosos Jr. will participate the said vacated belts too. But before all of that, I want to see Shakur getting tested by Haney first because these two camps already exchange some words before Haney was set to fight Loma.

I think Garcia and Davis might move up to 140 lbs too, their fight is on a catch weight of 136 lbs, Davis has fought Barrios at 140 lbs and Ryan has struggled keeping up at the weight limit of 135 lbs.

So most likely, it will be Shakur and Loma that will remain in this division. Haney could go up as well depending on the result of his fight with Loma. But most likely as I have said, he will definitely have to move up to welterweight. Loma if he become the champion, will probably remain in this division until he retires, he is small for 140 lbs and he is going to be eaten alive if he decided to move up.

Is that so? Thanks for sharing that mate, I know that Ryan Garcia is somehow struggling to keep his weight at 135, that is why their upcoming fight is a catchweight at 136 but what I didn't know was that Davis will also make his own climb maybe in the next following years because of the same issue. Now, if that will be indeed the case soon then Shakur Stevenson has almost all odds in his favor. But for Haney going to 147 from 136 is quite scary to think, but let's see if he can manage to keep up.

I think it's likely for Garcia to move up in 140 lbs, I mean the kid is tall and huge for 135 lbs and that even Davis accused of taking some illegal substance because it looks like Garcia is bulkier and it is correct that their fight, if push through this year is at a catchweight of 136 lbs. So if could be a sign that both are struggling to make the weight. Shakur is small but not as stocky as Davis and almost the same frame as Loma. Haney going up in 147 lbs is also possible as well but it might take years for him to go on welterweight. He is still young and his body could mature maybe in 2-3 years to become a full 147 lbs boxers.

[Baofeng]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

The lightweight division will get intense if ever Haney climbs the upper weight class and vacates his belt, we will see Tank Davis-Lomachenko-Ryan Garcia-Shakur Stevenson fighting for it as it's their long wanted chance and maybe even Kambosos Jr. will participate the said vacated belts too. But before all of that, I want to see Shakur getting tested by Haney first because these two camps already exchange some words before Haney was set to fight Loma.

I think Garcia and Davis might move up to 140 lbs too, their fight is on a catch weight of 136 lbs, Davis has fought Barrios at 140 lbs and Ryan has struggled keeping up at the weight limit of 135 lbs.

So most likely, it will be Shakur and Loma that will remain in this division. Haney could go up as well depending on the result of his fight with Loma. But most likely as I have said, he will definitely have to move up to welterweight. Loma if he become the champion, will probably remain in this division until he retires, he is small for 140 lbs and he is going to be eaten alive if he decided to move up.

Is that so? Thanks for sharing that mate, I know that Ryan Garcia is somehow struggling to keep his weight at 135, that is why their upcoming fight is a catchweight at 136 but what I didn't know was that Davis will also make his own climb maybe in the next following years because of the same issue. Now, if that will be indeed the case soon then Shakur Stevenson has almost all odds in his favor. But for Haney going to 147 from 136 is quite scary to think, but let's see if he can manage to keep up.

There is a big chance for him to move in my opinion, as I have said, he tasted 140 lbs and successful in his first try against Barrios. Yeah, he could stay and fought Loma/Haney and Shakur for the belt. But sooner or later if his body can't make the weight, then he has no choice then but go move up 1 division and bring his talent there.

And it's all about timing for this guys when they move up, now that Teo has the opportunity to become a champion when he fight Josh Taylor, for sure some of this guys are going to target him, for a bigger paycheck.

[serjent05]

^ Not sure why Bernard Hopkins throw that on Bill Haney, but it's true, the older Haney has been put to jail when he was younger for crimes and this is one reason why he almost not made it to his son first fight in Australia because the Victorian government is strict with regards to individual entering their country with prior convictions in the US.

Regarding the money, you can't compare era's, maybe in this era Hopkins because a great middle weight champion would have earn a lot more in his career in the past.

They are just doing it for recognition because most of them are not being mentioned nowadays. Still, Haney has done great all these years and his performance is at his own best. That's why he always gets this kind of statement whether from the old era or now. His fight will gonna be a real challenge for him since his opponent is not some common boxer and can really give him hard time this time. Also, his clean record is eager to reach even numbers that will gonna give him more motivation for winning.

Yes, Haney as a young age has accomplished a lot, winning all the belts against Kambosos, that is already a huge accomplishment for him. There is no need to compare him to Hopkins or whoever it is, its from a old era.

There are haters in any sports, even Lebron does have a lot of haters even if he is the best right now surpassing KAJ record.

Boxers have their own history and destiny.  I believe it is ok to compare boxers but imposing one achievement to others is somehow rough.  They have their own time and own environment.  One accomplishment can't be another.  So just compare their accomplishment but don't bash if the other one fall short.

So just let it be, he should be just thinking of beating Loma next in his fight, that's it.

I agree Haney should be focusing on his incoming fight against Loma or else he would find himself slipping away from his title if he doesn't focused on his next fight.

[Yaunfitda]

^ Not sure why Bernard Hopkins throw that on Bill Haney, but it's true, the older Haney has been put to jail when he was younger for crimes and this is one reason why he almost not made it to his son first fight in Australia because the Victorian government is strict with regards to individual entering their country with prior convictions in the US.

Regarding the money, you can't compare era's, maybe in this era Hopkins because a great middle weight champion would have earn a lot more in his career in the past.

They are just doing it for recognition because most of them are not being mentioned nowadays. Still, Haney has done great all these years and his performance is at his own best. That's why he always gets this kind of statement whether from the old era or now. His fight will gonna be a real challenge for him since his opponent is not some common boxer and can really give him hard time this time. Also, his clean record is eager to reach even numbers that will gonna give him more motivation for winning.

Yes, Haney as a young age has accomplished a lot, winning all the belts against Kambosos, that is already a huge accomplishment for him. There is no need to compare him to Hopkins or whoever it is, its from a old era.

There are haters in any sports, even Lebron does have a lot of haters even if he is the best right now surpassing KAJ record.

Boxers have their own history and destiny.  I believe it is ok to compare boxers but imposing one achievement to others is somehow rough.  They have their own time and own environment.  One accomplishment can't be another.  So just compare their accomplishment but don't bash if the other one fall short.

So just let it be, he should be just thinking of beating Loma next in his fight, that's it.

I agree Haney should be focusing on his incoming fight against Loma or else he would find himself slipping away from his title if he doesn't focused on his next fight.

Of course, boxers have their own history and destiny, there are good boxers in the amateurs but turns out to be a complete failure in professional. As for imposing one's achievement, I think that is comparing already, at least for me that's how I understand it.

Boxers are going to bash each other no matter what, just like what Hopkins or at least his attacks to Devin's father and so he has the right to response and show what his son has accomplished as compare to Bernard.

[Hypnosis00]

I agree Haney should be focusing on his incoming fight against Loma or else he would find himself slipping away from his title if he doesn't focused on his next fight.

It would be a big mistake for Haney to underestimate Loma. Although Haney is one of the hottest boxers at the moment, there's no room for complacency when facing a skilled boxer like Loma. That's why I prefer to bet on older boxers, as they are veterans who have been in many different battles and have proven to be great. In my opinion, if we compare the fights of both boxers, I would say Loma has won more quality fights.

[goldkingcoiner]

I am probably going to have to go with Devin Haney on this match. Not only is the dude massive but unlike Lomachenco, he is more on the defensive than the offensive side and I think that might be a better advantage. If Devin Haney beats Vasiliy Lomachenko then he could move up to 140 pounds and go straight into a non-title with Teofimo Lopez. And that is definitely a match I would love to see. So perhaps its more of a wish than a confident bet on my side. They are very well matched in skill and strength. This is one of the "not sure if I can pick a side" matches.

[btc_angela]

I am probably going to have to go with Devin Haney on this match. Not only is the dude massive but unlike Lomachenco, he is more on the offensive than the defensive side and I think that might be a better advantage.

Not sure though how you see Haney as a offensive boxer, no offense, but he plays more as a defensive fighter like Floyd. He is bigger if that is what you mean by massive, he has the length. If there will be a offensive boxer here in this rematch, it will be Loma, when his 'hi-tech' style and approach.

If Devin Haney beats Vasiliy Lomachenko then he could move up to 140 pounds and go straight into a non-title with Teofimo Lopez. And that is definitely a match I would love to see. So perhaps its more of a wish than a confident bet on my side. They are very well matched in skill and strength. This is one of the "not sure if I can pick a side" matches.

Teofimo Lopez will have a schedule fight with Josh Taylor the current champion. So if by chance Teo beat Josh then he will be the champion. So a Haney vs Lopez will be all for the belts in 140 lbs.

[virasisog]

I am probably going to have to go with Devin Haney on this match. Not only is the dude massive but unlike Lomachenco, he is more on the offensive than the defensive side and I think that might be a better advantage.

Not sure though how you see Haney as a offensive boxer, no offense, but he plays more as a defensive fighter like Floyd. He is bigger if that is what you mean by massive, he has the length. If there will be a offensive boxer here in this rematch, it will be Loma, when his 'hi-tech' style and approach.

If Devin Haney beats Vasiliy Lomachenko then he could move up to 140 pounds and go straight into a non-title with Teofimo Lopez. And that is definitely a match I would love to see. So perhaps its more of a wish than a confident bet on my side. They are very well-matched in skill and strength. This is one of the "not sure if I can pick a side" matches.

Teofimo Lopez will have a scheduled fight with Josh Taylor the current champion. So if by chance Teo beat Josh then he will be the champion. So a Haney vs Lopez will be all for the belts in 140 lbs.

Haney might be bigger or taller than Loma but Loma is an aggressive boxer when he's in the ring so he shouldn't be underestimated. Haney must prepare well for this or else he might be surprised by Loma's movements.
I believe that Loma is more skilled and strategic during every fight and that's what Haney should be ready about. I'm looking forward to this extreme and biggest match as what Bob stated.

[Japinat]

The division is getting hotter with the arrival of 2 division champion Shakur Stevenson who is also promoted by Bob Arum. I guess Shakur is getting his title shot this year unless Haney can insert a rematch clause and losses to Loma. If Haney will win, I really want him to fight Shakur but most likely he is moving up in weight. Haney was already struggling to make the weight in the rematch with Kambosos but he cannot say no to a past prime Loma who is a big name, a future HOFer and looked beatable in his last fight.

The lightweight division will get intense if ever Haney climbs the upper weight class and vacates his belt, we will see Tank Davis-Lomachenko-Ryan Garcia-Shakur Stevenson fighting for it as it's their long wanted chance and maybe even Kambosos Jr. will participate the said vacated belts too. But before all of that, I want to see Shakur getting tested by Haney first because these two camps already exchange some words before Haney was set to fight Loma.

I think Garcia and Davis might move up to 140 lbs too, their fight is on a catch weight of 136 lbs, Davis has fought Barrios at 140 lbs and Ryan has struggled keeping up at the weight limit of 135 lbs.

So most likely, it will be Shakur and Loma that will remain in this division. Haney could go up as well depending on the result of his fight with Loma. But most likely as I have said, he will definitely have to move up to welterweight. Loma if he become the champion, will probably remain in this division until he retires, he is small for 140 lbs and he is going to be eaten alive if he decided to move up.

Is that so? Thanks for sharing that mate, I know that Ryan Garcia is somehow struggling to keep his weight at 135, that is why their upcoming fight is a catchweight at 136 but what I didn't know was that Davis will also make his own climb maybe in the next following years because of the same issue. Now, if that will be indeed the case soon then Shakur Stevenson has almost all odds in his favor. But for Haney going to 147 from 136 is quite scary to think, but let's see if he can manage to keep up.

There is a big chance for him to move in my opinion, as I have said, he tasted 140 lbs and successful in his first try against Barrios. Yeah, he could stay and fought Loma/Haney and Shakur for the belt. But sooner or later if his body can't make the weight, then he has no choice then but go move up 1 division and bring his talent there.

And it's all about timing for this guys when they move up, now that Teo has the opportunity to become a champion when he fight Josh Taylor, for sure some of this guys are going to target him, for a bigger paycheck.

Actually, I remember that fight. Now it makes some sense why Davis might make his move soon because he is already on the verge of having some struggles to keep the weight limit of the lightweight division. Sooner or later, he will have to vacate his belt if ever he's still holding it but I also think that he will at least fight for the undisputed champion next, either Loma or Haney.

And for Teo, if ever he will beat Taylor. I bet Kambosos will make his debut too on the same division because he will be now a target, just like you've said. I see that there will be a lot of interesting things that will happen in the next 1-2 years.

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I am probably going to have to go with Devin Haney on this match. Not only is the dude massive but unlike Lomachenco, he is more on the offensive than the defensive side and I think that might be a better advantage.

Not sure though how you see Haney as a offensive boxer, no offense, but he plays more as a defensive fighter like Floyd. He is bigger if that is what you mean by massive, he has the length. If there will be a offensive boxer here in this rematch, it will be Loma, when his 'hi-tech' style and approach.

Yes, Haney is not your kind of a boxer who focuses most of his fights doing offensive maneuvers as we can somehow say and it's quite clear as well that Haney is almost boxing like Mayweather, all those Philly Shell and being technical at most rounds during in any given fight. That is also why he easily defeated Kambosos. Anyway, may I ask what rematch you mean? Because this this will be their first bout.

If Devin Haney beats Vasiliy Lomachenko then he could move up to 140 pounds and go straight into a non-title with Teofimo Lopez. And that is definitely a match I would love to see. So perhaps its more of a wish than a confident bet on my side. They are very well matched in skill and strength. This is one of the "not sure if I can pick a side" matches.

Teofimo Lopez will have a schedule fight with Josh Taylor the current champion. So if by chance Teo beat Josh then he will be the champion. So a Haney vs Lopez will be all for the belts in 140 lbs.

We will likely figure about that soon. Besides, I'm still inclined and believe that Haney might fight Shakur or Tank first before moving towards the next weight class but while stating these scenarios, it still depends on the upcoming outcome of the Haney-Loma fight.