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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.
As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him. Is 'shock' really the appropriate term? LOL. I think that word is used when one is not expected to win, and although Loma is quite the underdog here, he is capable of winning. Perhaps he will surprise the doubters, but the believers won't be shocked because they trust Loma to bring his A-game in the biggest fight of his career this year. Perhaps it could be the right term, I mean beating a 3:1 underdog and then winning it, should be shocking right? the thing is that Loma is a live underdog that's why we thought that the odd is not that fair. Similar to Ryan Garcia who is also the same underdog odds with Tank, if he wins the fight will it be shocking? Of course yes, as bettors and handicappers thinks that he has a small chance of winning. So we will see how this game will play out, will it be the underdog Loma here and then he become the undisputed or Haney continue on his winning streak and cementing his legacy.
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April 22, 2023, 07:56:16 PM |
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As for the Haney vs Loma fight, the odds hasn't move a bit, Loma is still a 3:1 underdog.
As expected, Loma is still the big underdog here. Everyone is likely rooting for Haney to get an easy win because he is the younger and stronger fighter, so there should be no problem winning. However, I love surprises, so I want Loma to shock Haney and prove to him that he hasn't fought a technically skilled fighter as good as him. Is 'shock' really the appropriate term? LOL. I think that word is used when one is not expected to win, and although Loma is quite the underdog here, he is capable of winning. Perhaps he will surprise the doubters, but the believers won't be shocked because they trust Loma to bring his A-game in the biggest fight of his career this year. Perhaps it could be the right term, I mean beating a 3:1 underdog and then winning it, should be shocking right? the thing is that Loma is a live underdog that's why we thought that the odd is not that fair. Similar to Ryan Garcia who is also the same underdog odds with Tank, if he wins the fight will it be shocking? Of course yes, as bettors and handicappers thinks that he has a small chance of winning. So we will see how this game will play out, will it be the underdog Loma here and then he become the undisputed or Haney continue on his winning streak and cementing his legacy. Can't blame them if they listed Loma as slight 3:1 underdog because his past form wasn't seen in his recent fight against Jamaine Ortiz, I mean he was still flexible and hard to predict even after his lost against Teo where he fought two boxers, Nakatani and Commey, respectively but that was before his inactivity because of the Russian-Ukraine war where he had to sacrifice his career to help the troops defend Ukraine. I sure do hope that we will still see the old Loma, so that he can give Haney a good fight and might dethrone him from being the undisputed champion in this division. But if not, I'm confident to say that it will be like a walk in the park Devin Haney.
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April 22, 2023, 09:03:56 PM |
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So we will see how this game will play out, will it be the underdog Loma here and then he become the undisputed or Haney continue on his winning streak and cementing his legacy.
According to the odds, it is more likely that Haney will continue on his winning streak and cement his legacy by beating Lomachenco but of course we will never know the end result unless the match is over. I am cheering for Lomachenco on this fight. I really love to pick underdog or the less favorite even though the chance of winning is a bit harder, at least the reward will be greater if won. It will be a sweet victory if it happens that we put our bet on the underdog and he wins. Can't blame them if they listed Loma as slight 3:1 underdog because his past form wasn't seen in his recent fight against Jamaine Ortiz, I mean he was still flexible and hard to predict even after his lost against Teo where he fought two boxers, Nakatani and Commey, respectively but that was before his inactivity because of the Russian-Ukraine war where he had to sacrifice his career to help the troops defend Ukraine.
Aside from that the size and the performance of Devin Haney is outstanding, even though a bit boring, he dominated his last fight and show the fans why he is the champion. I sure do hope that we will still see the old Loma, so that he can give Haney a good fight and might dethrone him from being the undisputed champion in this division. But if not, I'm confident to say that it will be like a walk in the park Devin Haney.
Same here, I would love to see Loma performing better than Haney. Hopefully his training is good enough to bring back his peak performance.
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April 23, 2023, 08:40:03 PM |
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So we will see how this game will play out, will it be the underdog Loma here and then he become the undisputed or Haney continue on his winning streak and cementing his legacy.
According to the odds, it is more likely that Haney will continue on his winning streak and cement his legacy by beating Lomachenco but of course we will never know the end result unless the match is over. I am cheering for Lomachenco on this fight. I really love to pick underdog or the less favorite even though the chance of winning is a bit harder, at least the reward will be greater if won. It will be a sweet victory if it happens that we put our bet on the underdog and he wins. Only time can answer that for us, but one thing is for sure, we are in for a good interesting fight because I don't actually believe that Lomachenko is already done. He may have a slight struggle on his return but that is understandable as any boxer will somehow adjust first to try and find their usual rhythm, even them knows that they aren't performing their usual performance. So this time, we might see a different Loma compared to the last fight he had.
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April 24, 2023, 09:39:11 PM |
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I sure do hope that we will still see the old Loma, so that he can give Haney a good fight and might dethrone him from being the undisputed champion in this division. But if not, I'm confident to say that it will be like a walk in the park Devin Haney.
I think we all are rooting for the same thing though, I guess not for Loma to defeat Haney, but at least he should be able to give the current undisputed champion an interesting fight, which is the latter. Especially the people, us, which asked for this fight because we totally believed that Lomachenko himself deserved a shot as that shoulder injury he had was the reason why he lost that 3 belt he held once.
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April 24, 2023, 09:48:11 PM |
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Only time can answer that for us, but one thing is for sure, we are in for a good interesting fight because I don't actually believe that Lomachenko is already done. He may have a slight struggle on his return but that is understandable as any boxer will somehow adjust first to try and find their usual rhythm, even them knows that they aren't performing their usual performance. So this time, we might see a different Loma compared to the last fight he had.
I hope Lomachenco will perform just like when he is at his peak. I really wanted to see Devin Haney lose to Lomachenco, although I know that it is kinda hard to fulfill since Haney is young and much bigger than Loma. Aside from that Devin Haney is a good defensive player and I believe Devin Haney will capitalize on the reach advantage by throwing jabs to hinder the tempo of Lomachenco. If Devin Haney dictate the phase in this fight, it will be very slim for Loma to win the fight due to the given advantages.
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April 25, 2023, 01:03:13 PM |
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Only time can answer that for us, but one thing is for sure, we are in for a good interesting fight because I don't actually believe that Lomachenko is already done. He may have a slight struggle on his return but that is understandable as any boxer will somehow adjust first to try and find their usual rhythm, even them knows that they aren't performing their usual performance. So this time, we might see a different Loma compared to the last fight he had.
I hope Lomachenco will perform just like when he is at his peak. I really wanted to see Devin Haney lose to Lomachenco, although I know that it is kinda hard to fulfill since Haney is young and much bigger than Loma. Aside from that Devin Haney is a good defensive player and I believe Devin Haney will capitalize on the reach advantage by throwing jabs to hinder the tempo of Lomachenco. If Devin Haney dictate the phase in this fight, it will be very slim for Loma to win the fight due to the given advantages. The odds is not saying that though, it seems that Loma is not the favorite going into this fight. He is not getting younger and then his performance against Ortiz is not to be hold. And then he is facing a young and a prime boxer in Haney, who might have all the tools, height, reach, defensive prowess. The only thing that lacks in the power. However, I will say that Loma is going to be a live dog, it might be hard for them. But if he trains very hard and just peak on time, I mean the timing is right that during the fight he might have a second wind and then bring back his old self even for just a couple of rounds, the outcome might be very different and who knows, he can win in the judges card if this fight goes to distance.
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April 25, 2023, 01:38:57 PM |
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Only time can answer that for us, but one thing is for sure, we are in for a good interesting fight because I don't actually believe that Lomachenko is already done. He may have a slight struggle on his return but that is understandable as any boxer will somehow adjust first to try and find their usual rhythm, even them knows that they aren't performing their usual performance. So this time, we might see a different Loma compared to the last fight he had.
I hope Lomachenco will perform just like when he is at his peak. I really wanted to see Devin Haney lose to Lomachenco, although I know that it is kinda hard to fulfill since Haney is young and much bigger than Loma. Aside from that Devin Haney is a good defensive player and I believe Devin Haney will capitalize on the reach advantage by throwing jabs to hinder the tempo of Lomachenco. If Devin Haney dictate the phase in this fight, it will be very slim for Loma to win the fight due to the given advantages. The odds is not saying that though, it seems that Loma is not the favorite going into this fight. He is not getting younger and then his performance against Ortiz is not to be hold. And then he is facing a young and a prime boxer in Haney, who might have all the tools, height, reach, defensive prowess. The only thing that lacks in the power. However, I will say that Loma is going to be a live dog, it might be hard for them. But if he trains very hard and just peak on time, I mean the timing is right that during the fight he might have a second wind and then bring back his old self even for just a couple of rounds, the outcome might be very different and who knows, he can win in the judges card if this fight goes to distance. Honestly, I don't think it's a good idea for Loma to bring the results to the judges and expect a win. Devin Haney is in his prime, fights like Mayweather, and I would expect him to have an edge when it comes to points scoring. Since Loma is the older boxer, I hope he has great tactics to win and maybe even knock out Haney, so the judges don't have to dictate the outcome of the fight. According to the stats on https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/741718, Haney is not a knockout artist, with only 15 KO wins out of a total of 29 fights. Therefore, most of his wins are by decision after 12 rounds.
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Maslate
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April 25, 2023, 02:34:14 PM |
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Only time can answer that for us, but one thing is for sure, we are in for a good interesting fight because I don't actually believe that Lomachenko is already done. He may have a slight struggle on his return but that is understandable as any boxer will somehow adjust first to try and find their usual rhythm, even them knows that they aren't performing their usual performance. So this time, we might see a different Loma compared to the last fight he had.
I hope Lomachenco will perform just like when he is at his peak. I really wanted to see Devin Haney lose to Lomachenco, although I know that it is kinda hard to fulfill since Haney is young and much bigger than Loma. Aside from that Devin Haney is a good defensive player and I believe Devin Haney will capitalize on the reach advantage by throwing jabs to hinder the tempo of Lomachenco. If Devin Haney dictate the phase in this fight, it will be very slim for Loma to win the fight due to the given advantages. The odds is not saying that though, it seems that Loma is not the favorite going into this fight. He is not getting younger and then his performance against Ortiz is not to be hold. And then he is facing a young and a prime boxer in Haney, who might have all the tools, height, reach, defensive prowess. The only thing that lacks in the power. However, I will say that Loma is going to be a live dog, it might be hard for them. But if he trains very hard and just peak on time, I mean the timing is right that during the fight he might have a second wind and then bring back his old self even for just a couple of rounds, the outcome might be very different and who knows, he can win in the judges card if this fight goes to distance. Not seems because Lomachenko is indeed not the favorite in this fight and actually he is a 3:1 underdog, that's how the bookies list him. Can't even blame them because Loma disappeared from the scene and when he got back, he was not the kind of Loma that we used to see anymore, many of us are curious why and what happened to him. But for all Loma supporters out there, this is already a good timing to support him while his odds are much crazier as who knows it might decline in the coming weeks because, after all, Loma is a live underdog. Current odds for Loma is 3.17 and to win via decision is 4.20
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April 26, 2023, 08:32:27 AM |
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Not seems because Lomachenko is indeed not the favorite in this fight and actually he is a 3:1 underdog, that's how the bookies list him. Can't even blame them because Loma disappeared from the scene and when he got back, he was not the kind of Loma that we used to see anymore, many of us are curious why and what happened to him.
I think Loma is still same, Ortiz was show a good fight against Loma, Loma was a bit struggled, but still managed to win. Maybe due to Russian invasion in the last year, it make Loma didn't focus to train himself as the Ukraine's citizens forced to fight for his country. Not sure if he joined to fight too, but for sure that incident make him can't focus and trying to find a way to make him safe. This fight will be interesting, it's very rare to see Loma as an underdog.
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April 26, 2023, 10:17:07 AM |
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Not seems because Lomachenko is indeed not the favorite in this fight and actually he is a 3:1 underdog, that's how the bookies list him. Can't even blame them because Loma disappeared from the scene and when he got back, he was not the kind of Loma that we used to see anymore, many of us are curious why and what happened to him.
I think Loma is still same, Ortiz was show a good fight against Loma, Loma was a bit struggled, but still managed to win. Maybe due to Russian invasion in the last year, it make Loma didn't focus to train himself as the Ukraine's citizens forced to fight for his country. Not sure if he joined to fight too, but for sure that incident make him can't focus and trying to find a way to make him safe. This fight will be interesting, it's very rare to see Loma as an underdog. Yeah, probably that's one big reason why it was a different Loma that shows in the Ortiz fight and there were moments in the fight that Loma struggle and we thought that he might be out of his prime already. However, it could be that he is really affected on the background and can't focus on his training for the Ortiz fight. But not this one, if he still mentally not prepared for this one, then Haney will definitely take advantage of it in the ring and then just beat Loma in full 12 rounds. So let's see, after the Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis fight, I think this is one of the biggest if not the biggest fight in this division.
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April 26, 2023, 12:32:50 PM |
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Not seems because Lomachenko is indeed not the favorite in this fight and actually he is a 3:1 underdog, that's how the bookies list him. Can't even blame them because Loma disappeared from the scene and when he got back, he was not the kind of Loma that we used to see anymore, many of us are curious why and what happened to him.
I think Loma is still same, Ortiz was show a good fight against Loma, Loma was a bit struggled, but still managed to win. Maybe due to Russian invasion in the last year, it make Loma didn't focus to train himself as the Ukraine's citizens forced to fight for his country. Not sure if he joined to fight too, but for sure that incident make him can't focus and trying to find a way to make him safe. That's probably the main reason why he was emotionally and mentally affected, which led to his unimpressive performance. For this fight, I'm sure he is 100% ready, but people are thinking that Loma will lose again against Haney because he is already past his prime. Let's wait and see if Loma can still prove those who doubted him wrong. This fight will be interesting, it's very rare to see Loma as an underdog. And that is an opportunity for me, I'm taking it without hesitation.
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April 26, 2023, 12:35:11 PM |
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Not seems because Lomachenko is indeed not the favorite in this fight and actually he is a 3:1 underdog, that's how the bookies list him. Can't even blame them because Loma disappeared from the scene and when he got back, he was not the kind of Loma that we used to see anymore, many of us are curious why and what happened to him.
Against Ortiz maybe we could say that he deteriorated a bit but before that, his fight against Nakatano and Commey were outstanding as he performed way better than expected. One factor that really affects his performance against Ortiz was the invasion of Russia of his country but let's also give credit to Ortiz as he performed very well on that night, he won't be called the Technician for nothing. But for all Loma supporters out there, this is already a good timing to support him while his odds are much crazier as who knows it might decline in the coming weeks because, after all, Loma is a live underdog.
Current odds for Loma is 3.17 and to win via decision is 4.20
Good odds indeed for Loma's fans like me hehe. He may be the underdog for the bookies but for me, this is a 50-50 fight because Loma has the upper hand here on experience. Loma's previous opponents' skill level are up a notch compared to the opponents of Haney. The good thing I see here is that Haney is not a one-punch KO artist like Lopez where Loma was hesitant to brawl. On this one, I think he will attack early to try to hurt Haney as he could take the latter's punch without worrying of a knockout.
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April 26, 2023, 12:50:42 PM |
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But for all Loma supporters out there, this is already a good timing to support him while his odds are much crazier as who knows it might decline in the coming weeks because, after all, Loma is a live underdog.
Current odds for Loma is 3.17 and to win via decision is 4.20
Good odds indeed for Loma's fans like me hehe. He may be the underdog for the bookies but for me, this is a 50-50 fight because Loma has the upper hand here on experience. Loma's previous opponents' skill level are up a notch compared to the opponents of Haney. What do you think is better - Loma via KO or Loma via decision? Personally, even though the odds for a decision are higher, I still prefer the probability of him winning via knockout because it's more exciting to watch and people will be impressed with his performance. The good thing I see here is that Haney is not a one-punch KO artist like Lopez where Loma was hesitant to brawl. On this one, I think he will attack early to try to hurt Haney as he could take the latter's punch without worrying of a knockout. His KO rate isn't that high, so it's a great strategy for Loma to attack early. However, I hope he'll be able to hit Haney with clean shots because if he doesn't, he'll just get tired and eventually, Haney will take advantage of that.
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April 26, 2023, 03:47:10 PM |
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But for all Loma supporters out there, this is already a good timing to support him while his odds are much crazier as who knows it might decline in the coming weeks because, after all, Loma is a live underdog.
Current odds for Loma is 3.17 and to win via decision is 4.20
Good odds indeed for Loma's fans like me hehe. He may be the underdog for the bookies but for me, this is a 50-50 fight because Loma has the upper hand here on experience. Loma's previous opponents' skill level are up a notch compared to the opponents of Haney. What do you think is better - Loma via KO or Loma via decision? Personally, even though the odds for a decision are higher, I still prefer the probability of him winning via knockout because it's more exciting to watch and people will be impressed with his performance. The good thing I see here is that Haney is not a one-punch KO artist like Lopez where Loma was hesitant to brawl. On this one, I think he will attack early to try to hurt Haney as he could take the latter's punch without worrying of a knockout. His KO rate isn't that high, so it's a great strategy for Loma to attack early. However, I hope he'll be able to hit Haney with clean shots because if he doesn't, he'll just get tired and eventually, Haney will take advantage of that. That will be a tough one to decide for sure because both odds are tempting and I'd say both outcome are possible even the ML is sweet enough. But regarding about the odds, if via decision is already 4.20, how much more if it's via KO/TKO, right? Oh man! These bookies are really confusing us, but as a Loma supporter, I will take this as an opportunity which I'll surely take mainly the ML for now.
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April 26, 2023, 11:01:15 PM |
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What do you think is better - Loma via KO or Loma via decision? Personally, even though the odds for a decision are higher, I still prefer the probability of him winning via knockout because it's more exciting to watch and people will be impressed with his performance.
I haven't put a bet yet for this fight as i planned to put some maybe 2 days before fight night. To avoid the complications, that ML odds of 2.95 is the way to go though I will put some money on Loma by decision. That Loma by KO is very juicy though but with both fighters a technical one, I doubt that there would be a knockout. His KO rate isn't that high, so it's a great strategy for Loma to attack early. However, I hope he'll be able to hit Haney with clean shots because if he doesn't, he'll just get tired and eventually, Haney will take advantage of that.
In that Lopez fight, Loma was so hesitant to attack or maybe Loma was just a slow starter but in my mind, I think he has so much respect on the power of Lopez that he thought that if he attack early and got caught with one power punch, he is done. Knockout may happen if there is an opening but i doubt one will happen because Haney is not a KO artist and Loma is fighting a bigger opponent which is hard to KO. I just hope here that Loma will be aggressive early to accumulate some points and ultimately win the fight via decision.
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Yamifoud
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April 27, 2023, 02:52:18 AM |
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What do you think is better - Loma via KO or Loma via decision? Personally, even though the odds for a decision are higher, I still prefer the probability of him winning via knockout because it's more exciting to watch and people will be impressed with his performance.
I haven't put a bet yet for this fight as i planned to put some maybe 2 days before fight night. To avoid the complications, that ML odds of 2.95 is the way to go though I will put some money on Loma by decision. That Loma by KO is very juicy though but with both fighters a technical one, I doubt that there would be a knockout. Okay, so I guess we're on the same side here. I hope this isn't a one-sided fight in favor of Haney, as he really looks strong. But knowing Loma, he hasn't lost a fight yet where he was fully dominated. We're betting on an old Loma, but who cares - he'll prove he's not out of his prime. His KO rate isn't that high, so it's a great strategy for Loma to attack early. However, I hope he'll be able to hit Haney with clean shots because if he doesn't, he'll just get tired and eventually, Haney will take advantage of that.
In that Lopez fight, Loma was so hesitant to attack or maybe Loma was just a slow starter but in my mind, I think he has so much respect on the power of Lopez that he thought that if he attack early and got caught with one power punch, he is done. Knockout may happen if there is an opening but i doubt one will happen because Haney is not a KO artist and Loma is fighting a bigger opponent which is hard to KO. I just hope here that Loma will be aggressive early to accumulate some points and ultimately win the fight via decision. Haney is probably bigger, but they'll be on the same weight on the day of the fight. So just like the Tank vs. Garcia fight where Garcia was the taller fighter and probably bigger, Tank Davis was still able to find a way to hurt Garcia and knock him out.
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April 27, 2023, 03:08:23 AM |
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I had watched Mayweather's fights, and like you said, he's boring to watch as hell. Like he is more defensive than offensive. You don't see him throwing punches more often, but he is waiting for his opponent to lose his patience, throw punches, and slowly countering him until such time that he can knocked that opponent down.
On the other hand, it's boring, but that made him undefeated in professional boxing (disregard those troll fights where he will fight celebrities). Even the 8-time division champion Pacquiao lost against him (controversial though). How "Tank" Davis fights in the ring is way better than Mayweather even though he mentored him for almost a decade now. Davis got the defensive skills of Mayweather, but at the same time, he's an explosive fighter and throws a lot more, and stronger punches.
Haney and Mayweather's way of fighting is almost the same that's why the fight between Haney and Kambosos Jr. (first fight) became one of the most boring fights I've ever watched to the point that I slept while watching the fight.
In particular, I don't like this when they fight in a technical way, it makes me annoyed, because I see that they don't want to hurt each other and although the fight falls into a purely technical and intelligence sphere, I don't like it, and that makes it look boring,and obviously it is, when I establish a type of analogy with boxing in the Olympics that happens, and it is something that bothers me, I don't know if you Remember the case of the Japanese? that they gave him as the winner and he came out in wheelchairs while the opponent was normal,with normal tiredness but he was much better and for me he fought well, that's what I don't like,and that's how there are boxers. Many people call Loma a technical fighter, but is he boring? The answer is a big NO. Loma has been entertaining to watch as he slowly dismantles his opponents. He may not be a good starter, but you can see how good he is once he spots the weakness of his opponents. Sometimes, he can even win via knockout. So, against Haney, I wouldn't be surprised if he wins by KO. If in fact Loma is something different from the others, of course he cannot be compared with a Mayweather who is merely technical and that I don't like his fights at least because he really is like a sedative for me, as far as I'm concerned I I really like fights with a lot of action and that have a lot of emotion and that every round each boxer gives their all, that is the style of boxing that I like, now if they go to a boxing match where they will fight taking care of themselves and that it is only technically It is best that they dedicate themselves to exhibition boxing, of course it is my way of thinking.
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April 27, 2023, 03:16:01 AM |
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Haney is probably bigger, but they'll be on the same weight on the day of the fight. So just like the Tank vs. Garcia fight where Garcia was the taller fighter and probably bigger, Tank Davis was still able to find a way to hurt Garcia and knock him out. That was a different match. It was just a matter of time before Davis would land that perfect punch to bring Garcia down, regardless of how tall or big Garcia is. As to Haney and Loma, they both don't have that super powerful punch like Tank's. So this is most probably a fight that ends in a decision. So with a bigger Haney that also has a longer reach, Loma will really have to be quick and make use of his unbelievable footwork to close the distance and score.
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April 27, 2023, 08:46:13 PM |
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Haney is probably bigger, but they'll be on the same weight on the day of the fight. So just like the Tank vs. Garcia fight where Garcia was the taller fighter and probably bigger, Tank Davis was still able to find a way to hurt Garcia and knock him out. That was a different match. It was just a matter of time before Davis would land that perfect punch to bring Garcia down, regardless of how tall or big Garcia is. As to Haney and Loma, they both don't have that super powerful punch like Tank's. So this is most probably a fight that ends in a decision. So with a bigger Haney that also has a longer reach, Loma will really have to be quick and make use of his unbelievable footwork to close the distance and score. You bring a good point, in this case Loma is known to have a very good and quick foot work. And that's how we see Loma during the start of his career, unbelievable footwork that no one can match, not even quality Olympians like him in Rigo, who just quit in his stool because he can't cope with Loma's technique. So their style could really be a match made him heaven here. And what we have said, this could be a tactical and a chess match. Unlike to Garcia and Davis fight wherein they rely on their power to win via knockout. This one, the boxing IQ of this boxers will be in display. There could be rounds that Haney is dominating because of his long reach and taking advantage of his height. And then the next round, Loma coming back with his superior movement and hand speeds and then touching Haney at will. So it could go into the distance and gonna be hard to score for sure.
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