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I am making a list of hardware wallets that can be connected to communicate both with smartphones and computers. I will list all the wallets and add how exactly can they be connected, but any help and corrections are appreciated. | ▩ | .....Wallet..... | ▩ | .NFC. | ▩ | .Camera/QR code. | ▩ | .Bluetooth. | ▩ | .WiFi. | ▩ | .USB-C. | ▩ | .MicroUSB/USB-OTG. | ▩ | .MicroSD. | ▩ | .Compatibility. | ▩ | | ▣ | Passport | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [power only] | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Keystone | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | BitBox02 | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Jade | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | OneKey Classic | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | OneKey Touch | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | SecuX V20 | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | SecuX W20 | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Safepal S1 | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | D'CENT | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Trezor | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | KeepKey | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Ledger Nano S | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Ledger Nano X | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Ledger Stax | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | Coldcard mk4 | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | CoolWallet S | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ | | ▣ | CoolWallet Pro | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ [mobile only] | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ✔ | ▣ | ✘ | ▣ | ⭐⭐ | ▣ |
Note for the "compatibility" column: - ⭐ = Native app
- ⭐⭐ = Native/third-party apps or native/web apps
- ⭐⭐⭐ = Native, third-party and web apps
iPhone, Ipad and other Apple devices have lightning port so they can't be connected with hardware wallets using cables. Smartphones can be connected with hardware wallets using apps (native and third party), or with web apps using mobile browser (example Trezor). BitBox02 - USB-C directly or with USB-A adapter. Passport - Camera and QR codes; have their own mobile app. Keystone - Camera and QR codes; have their own mobile app. Ledger Nano X - Bluetooth mobile connection, USB-C cable connection for computers; have their own mobile app. Ledger Stax - Bluetooth mobile connection, USB-C cable connection for computers; have their own mobile app. Jade - Bluetooth, USB-C, Camera and QR codes. OneKey Classic - Bluetooth, USB-C OneKey Touch - Bluetooth, USB-C SecuX V20 - Bluetooth [mobile and computer connections], USB Type-C [computer connection] SecuX W20 - Bluetooth [mobile and computer connections], USB Type-C [computer connection] Safepal S1 - Camera and QR codes (closed source can't be confirmed). D'CENT - Bluetooth, using microUSB/USB-C adapter; have their own mobile app. Trezor - using microUSB/USB-C adapter, and Mycellium wallet. KeepKey - using microUSB/USB-C adapter, and Mycellium wallet. Ledger Nano S - using microUSB/USB-C adapter, and Mycellium wallet (firmware can't be updated). Coldcard mk4 - NFC (?), microSD card. CoolWallet S - MicroUSB ? CoolWallet Pro - MicroUSB ? WORK IN PROGRESS! Nothing fancy will be posted while I collect information, but this could be updated later. Thank you for posting your suggestions and new wallets with links.
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With the proper cable or an adapter into the original cable Ledger Nano S (and S Plus) can also easily get connected to smartphone. Tested/used by me with Android phones. I've even posted sometime in the past the adapter I'm using (for microUSB, but there also exist such adapted for USB-C too) And before Tibu sees you ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) you can also add SatoChip since it's NFC, but I don't really know more details on that one. For PC they sell a reader too.
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Trezor can work on a phone via micro USB -> USB-C with trezor suite (web) and mycelium. I'm not sure how good the eth support is but everything else looks like it works (I think I've only used bitcoin with it though).
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January 12, 2023, 10:54:36 PM Merited by jackg (1), dkbit98 (1) |
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Trezor can work on a phone via micro USB -> USB-C with trezor suite (web) and mycelium.
In addition, the Keepkey hardware wallet can open through mycelium using a smartphone using micro USB. Here's a Youtube video tutorial on that. It's an interesting list, please update and I'll open my eyes on this thread as I'm willing to know what are those hardware wallets, AFAIK, the only common hardware wallets that I've known that can be used in mobile phones like Trezor and Ledger.
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WORK IN PROGRESS! Two suggestions: 1. After you have gathered all the necessary information, you might want to consider creating a table to make it look better. 2. I suggest making a new column and mentioning if the devices can be connected to Android and iPhone, or just one of the models. I think Ledger only works with Android phones and not with iPhones. There are surely similar examples with other manufacturers as well.
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2. I suggest making a new column and mentioning if the devices can be connected to Android and iPhone, or just one of the models. I think Ledger only works with Android phones and not with iPhones. There are surely similar examples with other manufacturers as well.
I think that even for PC there could be a need for a special column (because of the NFC wallets, for example). But overall, yes, after gathering all the info I am sure that OP can make a better looking table that can be read easier by all who are interested.
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Couple of standard reminders, not every phone implements USB OTG properly so if you are not using BT / NFC or the camera you may have issues. Minor point but something to think about.
And, make sure you have good backups of you seed. We have been touting for years that phones are not secure and you should not have large amounts of funds on them. I know people, myself included, that have a vague idea of where the seed phrase for their phone wallet is, but it's no way as secure as their main one 'since it's only a little money' IF you get more confident in the security of your phone wallet since you are using a HW wallet, don't fall into that trap of adding more funds and not having the recovery handy.....
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And, make sure you have good backups of you seed. We have been touting for years that phones are not secure and you should not have large amounts of funds on them. I know people, myself included, that have a vague idea of where the seed phrase for their phone wallet is, but it's no way as secure as their main one 'since it's only a little money' IF you get more confident in the security of your phone wallet since you are using a HW wallet, don't fall into that trap of adding more funds and not having the recovery handy..... The same rules apply whether you set up your hardware wallet on a phone or a PC. There should be multiple copies of the recovery phrase, but never in a digital form. If the hardware wallet has a secure element, the sensitive data won't leak onto the phone or be obtainable in case the phone is malware-infected in the same way seeds and PINs aren't leaking on computers. In essence, you aren't keeping the coins on the phone just like they aren't on the computer. And the private keys stay safe on the hardware wallet's chip.
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January 13, 2023, 01:44:04 PM |
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And, make sure you have good backups of you seed. We have been touting for years that phones are not secure and you should not have large amounts of funds on them.
I even thought on a hardware wallet, you can not know your seed phrase again after it has been generated during keys and addresses generation, only what you can do after that is a way you can be able to verify if the seed phrase you generated before is correct or not. The seed phrase is the coin, if lost, there is possibility that the coin is lost forever. There should be multiple copies of the recovery phrase, but never in a digital form.
I think 2 or 3 is okay, having more backups may lead to offline less security. I guess just like 2 or 3 backups is what you meant as multiple. Although, this may depend on individual preference and how secure they can save seed phrase in particular locations. But I will recommend just having 2 or 3 and not more. If the hardware wallet has a secure element, the sensitive data won't leak onto the phone or be obtainable in case the phone is malware-infected in the same way seeds and PINs aren't leaking on computers.
Like Trezor, if the hardware (Trezor) wallet is not having a secure element, nothing will leak online as well, unless a physical attack on the wallet which can reveal the seed phrase, but making the keys not to leak with the help of passphrase, provided if passphrase is used to generate the keys and addresses along with the seed phrase.
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January 13, 2023, 02:49:47 PM |
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Just one idea: maybe add one extra column that contains one or more mobile wallets that are confirmed to work with the device. Reason being that especially when new technologies start to get adopted in hardware wallets like NFC, many wallet apps don't yet have the functionality to make it work.
I think for people who consider buying a hardware wallet specifically to use with their phone, it is essential to know whether it not only theoretically has the technologies required for that, but also whether software support is there and e.g. if they need to resort to a closed-source vs. an open-source app.
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January 13, 2023, 05:49:15 PM |
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In addition, the Keepkey hardware wallet can open through mycelium using a smartphone using micro USB. Here's a Youtube video tutorial on that. It's an interesting list, please update and I'll open my eyes on this thread as I'm willing to know what are those hardware wallets, AFAIK, the only common hardware wallets that I've known that can be used in mobile phones like Trezor and Ledger. That seems pretty new with keep key, I've been using mycelium for a while and haven't seen it until now (but I don't know when I last checked). I'm not sure about ledger but trezor support was quite bad on mobile until recently (mycelium worked OK but it felt like it had problems the PC didn't - if you spent a small amount of funds from.a large input it'd ask you to confirm the change on the device instead but it doesn't anymore iirc).
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January 13, 2023, 08:40:01 PM |
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With the proper cable or an adapter into the original cable Ledger Nano S (and S Plus) can also easily get connected to smartphone. Tested/used by me with Android phones. I've even posted sometime in the past the adapter I'm using (for microUSB, but there also exist such adapted for USB-C too)
Maybe this partially works like you say but I won't add ledger nano S in the list because you can't install or update firmware using only smartphone, this is only possible with desktop computers. I am only adding hardware wallets that can work standalone only with smartphones. Trezor can work on a phone via micro USB -> USB-C with trezor suite (web) and mycelium. I'm not sure how good the eth support is but everything else looks like it works (I think I've only used bitcoin with it though).
I will try with microUSB - USB-C adapter, but Trezor doesn't have mobile app yet, and I am not sure Trezor firmware can be updated using mobile devices. Can you please check and confirm this when you can? In addition, the Keepkey hardware wallet can open through mycelium using a smartphone using micro USB. Here's a Youtube video tutorial on that. I am not a fan of KeepKey wallet but I will consider adding it to my list, maybe in separate category with other devices that use adapters. I think Keepkey is Trezor fork, so it works similar for Trezor One and Trezor T, but I don't know if other wallet works or only Mycellium. Just one idea: maybe add one extra column that contains one or more mobile wallets that are confirmed to work with the device. Reason being that especially when new technologies start to get adopted in hardware wallets like NFC, many wallet apps don't yet have the functionality to make it work.
I will have to ask someone to make columns and table for me later, but only after I collect enough information.
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I will try with microUSB - USB-C adapter, but Trezor doesn't have mobile app yet, and I am not sure Trezor firmware can be updated using mobile devices. Can you please check and confirm this when you can? There isn't much information to be found about this, but apparently it should work on Android phones without using the desktop version. Read Can't update firmware on Android? where the user doesn't have a desktop device and was stuck updating the firmware with his phone. In the end he confirmed that it worked. I will have to ask someone to make columns and table for me later, but only after I collect enough information. You can surely do this yourself, it isn't that hard. Just find a style you like from some other thread where there are tables. Quote it, copy the code, and make the changes you want to suit your needs and preferences.
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January 14, 2023, 02:50:40 PM |
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I will have to ask someone to make columns and table for me later, but only after I collect enough information.
Just as an example, I spaced out the code of one of icopress' nice tables and added comments for easy understanding: |
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// first row: [tr] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [/tr] // space; horizontal line; space; horizontal line; space; horizontal line; space
// second row: [tr] [td][/td] [td][center] 2rd place[/center][/td] [td][/td] [td][center] 1st place[/center][/td] [td][/td] [td][center] 3rd place[/center][/td] [td][/td] [/tr] // space; first item; space; second item; space; third item; space
// third row: [tr] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [/tr] // again alternating spaces and hr's
// fourth row: [tr] [td][/td] [td][center]Prize of 6 mBTC[/center][/td] [td][/td] [td][center]Custom[/b] Ledger & 12 mBTC[/center][/td] [td][/td] [td][center]Prize of 3 mBTC[/center][/td] [td][/td] [/tr] // space; first item; space; second item; space; third item; space
// fifth row: [tr] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [td][hr][/td] [td][/td] [/tr] // again alternating spaces and hr's
// sixth row: [tr] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [/tr] // all spaces (used for vertical padding)
[/table] [/center]
I did remove all formatting to make it easier to understand, because tables support regular Bitcointalk formatting tags, including URLs, [abbr] tags, colors, you name it.
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@dkbit98 Found two more: - You can update their firmware through both the "web and mobile" routes.- SecuX V20 - Bluetooth [mobile and computer connections], USB Type-C [computer connection]
- SecuX W20 - Bluetooth [mobile and computer connections], USB Micro-B [computer connection]
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The coldcard wallet can supposedly work with NFC and a smartphone without the need to ever use a computer. I have not tested it and didnt see somebody do it, but it may be one more for the list.
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January 15, 2023, 09:34:16 PM |
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Trezor can work on a phone via micro USB -> USB-C with trezor suite (web) and mycelium. I'm not sure how good the eth support is but everything else looks like it works (I think I've only used bitcoin with it though).
I will try with microUSB - USB-C adapter, but Trezor doesn't have mobile app yet, and I am not sure Trezor firmware can be updated using mobile devices. Can you please check and confirm this when you can? I checked and it does let me update it in Trezor suite web on android. They used to have an app called Trezor Manager and I'm not sure what happened to it - maybe they replaced it with an online version and consider it as secure. The downside I can find is it only seems to work with Chrome (which might not be a drawback for anyone else but it feels like a privacy compromise to me).
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The coldcard wallet can supposedly work with NFC and a smartphone without the need to ever use a computer. I have not tested it and didnt see somebody do it, but it may be one more for the list.
The ColdCard Mk4 can also be used with a USBC-OTG cable and any hardware compatible wallet app. It can also be used with any phone that has a microSD reader, if you choose to keep it's USB features disabled.
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Found two more: - You can update their firmware through both the "web and mobile" routes.I added both SecuX wallets in the list, and more wallets will be added in next few days after I finish researching. Regarding table, I am still thinking how to add basic information and still make everything easy to understand, I think you helped me last time with hardware wallet secure element table ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) The downside I can find is it only seems to work with Chrome (which might not be a drawback for anyone else but it feels like a privacy compromise to me).
For mobile devices Chrome is (sadly) much better and safer browser than Firefox, but there are few forks that improves it like Vanadium (in Graphene OS) and Bromite. The ColdCard Mk4 can also be used with a USBC-OTG cable and any hardware compatible wallet app. It can also be used with any phone that has a microSD reader, if you choose to keep it's USB features disabled.
Many modern smartphones (sadly) don't support microSD cards anymore, and they are using extra slot for virtual SIM cards. I know we can still use some convertors to connect them with phones, but I personally don't like this approach.
Ok guys I realized that I need to make two categories of hardware wallets, first that by default supports connection with smartphones, and second that is doing this with some convertor/cables. Some manufacturers claim their device doesn't support connection with mobile devices, however this can be done with workaround solutions, but we don't know if that can create some problems in future with compatibility. I am confused with some hardware wallet that have Bluetooth support, but this doesn't work with computers, only with smartphones, so I also need to be careful with this. microSD feature can only be considered as partially supporting smartphones, for obvious reasons.
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I am making a list of hardware wallets that can be connected to communicate both with smartphones and computers. I will list all the wallets and add how exactly can they be connected, but any help and corrections are appreciated.
BitBox02 - USB-C directly or with USB-A adapter. Passport - Camera and QR codes. Keystone - Camera and QR codes. Ledger Nano X - Bluetooth mobile connection, USB-C cable connection for computers. Ledger Stax - Bluetooth mobile connection, USB-C cable connection for computers. Jade - Bluetooth, USB-C, Camera and QR codes. OneKey Classic - Bluetooth, USB-C OneKey Touch - Bluetooth, USB-C SecuX V20 - Bluetooth [mobile and computer connections], USB Type-C [computer connection] SecuX W20 - Bluetooth [mobile and computer connections], USB Type-C [computer connection]
Trezor - using microUSB/USB-C adapter, and Mycellium wallet. KeepKey - using microUSB/USB-C adapter, and Mycellium wallet. Ledger Nano S - using microUSB/USB-C adapter, and Mycellium wallet (firmware can't be updated).
WORK IN PROGRESS! Nothing fancy will be posted while I collect information, but this could be updated later. Thank you for posting your suggestions and new wallets with links.
I haven't read the entire thread yet but I noticed that Safepal S1 is missing from your initial post, this hardware wallet is used via apps for iOS and Android and via a web browser extension for desktops, in both cases it uses QR codes to communicate, if you want you can add it to your list if you like
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