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It is no surprise that this has occurred. I often scoff to myself when people insinuate that these types of things can't happen though it is one of those things that are rarely proven. It is good to see that this one was proven. I would love to know what the largest case similar to this one would be though. I am sure it amounts to many multiples of the amount of this case.
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Hey, OP, as long as you've been on the forum, you should know better than to include a link to the news item. I guess the news is in Portuguese? I've searched and I don't see anything about it but I did find this which is relevant to the general match fixing problem: Suspicious sports results? Mafia might have fixed themOrganised crime groups make an estimated €120 million of profit a year from betting-related match-fixing in sports events. Not only football matches are fixed, but tennis results are also manipulated more and more. And sports mafia are no longer only corrupting players, but clubs too. I'm also surprised that there is no link so we can extract more on the story and check the fact, I also want to see the link so we can discuss the particulars of the topic I guess we can only discuss the general topic which is game fixing, game fixing is what put any game in a bad light, we all want excitement and we all rooting for our favorite team or fighters that they are going to give it all, we lose respects on teams and fighters that engage on game fixing. Game fixing should not happen in any sports and organizations should protect their rank files and players against any game fixing.
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bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I would have expected this in small-level leagues(where it is very common to happen) but still not surprised that it happens in bigger leagues. To many fixing incident happen on lower leagues since some manipulators think that they will not easily get caught on what illegal activities they do on that league. There are other well documented so we need to be careful on the leagues we are watching especially if we want to bet on the games played. I forgot to add that on local events/tournaments match-fixing is extremely rampant(especially on basketball tournaments in my country) to the point that I don't bother watching them and even if they were caught a lot of them don't get any punishment and in a lot of times the coordinators of the event are part of the match-fixing On bigger leagues well maybe this happen but its not rampant since nowadays since medias are covering up and maybe the league coordinators or promoters are been much careful about this since its a big shamed for their league if his game fixing will happen to them.
true, and if they are caught they are usually punished for it.
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February 16, 2023, 01:23:51 PM |
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Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.
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February 16, 2023, 02:29:32 PM |
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Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.
Fixed matchws do really exist for so long; from small to big leagues and tournaments. Problem is finding a paying one because for sure exclusivity would lways be a factor. On my end, I have never tried to engage with such scheme simply because of the idea that they are cheating in a way, so how come they would be fair for their players? this is not to generalize. But not only in this crypto industry, as well to others. It would be better to go toe-to-toe with the risk involved in gambling since that's the concept in the first plce, than to find way for assured profit which is simply not a thing common in gambling industry. Also, enjoyment would be lacking I agree.
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It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00). In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting. Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention. In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year. This kind of thing can make us rich if we have an insider that can inform us of rigged games. But I think it is next to impossible to know someone from the rigging party since most that will approach us about this kind of events are more likely scammers. I also think that match-fixing is rampant anywhere. Even boxing can be rigged, worst when judges are paid, even though it is evident that the boxer who lost clearly won the fight. Just like what is written in this article[1].
[1] https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1611096-the-ten-most-controversial-decisions-in-boxing-history
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The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).
Corruption, fraud and bribery in football betting, this is not the first time this has happened in Brazil the same thing has happened to goalkeepers too The Full Story of Bruce Grobbelaar's Betting & Bribery Scandal, something bad if that happens. I've read about: The Threat to Football from Betting-Related Corruption, which reads. Manipulation of on-field events for betting gain appears to be a growing problem in football and other sports. It can be linked to developments in the betting environment and is a potential threat to the football industry to the extent that it may deter fans, sponsors, and broadcasters from purchasing the product. Risks are highest in European lower-tier competitions where high liquidity in the betting market contrasts with modest incomes among players and officials. The liquidity is provided principally by Asian betting markets that are largely unregulated, which itself is a significant obstacle to protecting the sport from corruption.
If, what you say is true and if it is found out, Brazilian clubs can be seen as the worst football in the world, this will have a negative effect on bettors and football lovers in Brazil itself, for the actions of irresponsible people.
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Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.
Fixed matchws do really exist for so long; from small to big leagues and tournaments. Problem is finding a paying one because for sure exclusivity would lways be a factor. On my end, I have never tried to engage with such scheme simply because of the idea that they are cheating in a way, so how come they would be fair for their players? this is not to generalize. But not only in this crypto industry, as well to others. It would be better to go toe-to-toe with the risk involved in gambling since that's the concept in the first plce, than to find way for assured profit which is simply not a thing common in gambling industry. Also, enjoyment would be lacking I agree. As long as there are gamblers who support fixed matches and those who want to take advantage of them, it will continuously run regardless of its illegality. Some players and gamblers take it as their comfort zone which is unfair to other gamblers. We shouldn't support any illegal activity that promotes cheating games. It's better to face the risks and play the legal way than to earn through cheating.
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If it's in the higher league, then this act will easily get caught. They might have done this a few games already but a lot of bookies will certainly caught wind of what's happening, unless of course they're also part of the act then there's not much to do about it. Those who are able to commit this kind of activity are usually those who are in position and in power to sweep everything under the rug, but fortunately they were able to catch it while it's hot. Though I believe that even though they catch the perpetrators in the act, this will continue happening so long as there are crooked people in the position of the higher leagues.
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February 16, 2023, 03:56:37 PM |
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It is a shame for Brazil, but I also have to say that it doesn't only happen in Brazil, in many other countries there have been or still are such "scams". This scam was only discovered because the bet didn't work out, the players didn't comply with the agreement and the bettor lost all the money from the bet. Apparently it was a triple bet and only in the third game that didn't work.
I hope that they are now more strict with this kind of thing and really investigate all the leagues for these suspicious acts.
I'm curious to know which site this person made the bets, does anyone know?
I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information. This is another question that deserves to be investigated.
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not only in brazil, many other countries do it like that, for example fixing scores in matches, therefore I have never been interested in betting on the minor leagues because there is potentially a lot of cheating there, that's why betting on the big leagues is safer even though sometimes I often see clubs big lose against small club i always thought there was a game in it, but i thought maybe it was just bad luck, lol
If you know which match is usually have fixing scores, then you can make easy money from that lol. Big leagues are high likely doesn't have any manipulation and it's safer to bet, but it doesn't make you rich if you not bet big amount of money. There are many matches on minor leagues are really worth to bet the underdog because the odds is really huge. In big leagues, usually the underdog have almost 0% chance to beat the favorite team due to huge gap difference. usually I bet in the big league on top and bottom club matches, sometimes it's easier to predict but still read the analysis, sometimes sometimes the bottom club always makes a surprise beat the top club, but the name of gambling isn't really anyone knows the result and there is no luck factor there either
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February 16, 2023, 04:06:20 PM |
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I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information. This is another question that deserves to be investigated.
It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself. I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to established a case against this kind of organization.
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February 16, 2023, 04:26:31 PM |
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I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information. This is another question that deserves to be investigated.
It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself. I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to establish a case against this kind of organization. This has been happening in many betting companies and gambling industries in different countries. No one can stop it because no one is complaining or either filing a case because some of them are afraid of huge personalities behind these fixed matches and others can't provide concrete proof to support their claims. If gamblers will only be brave to file a legal complaint, cheaters will learn their lessons.
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February 16, 2023, 04:28:32 PM |
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I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information. This is another question that deserves to be investigated.
It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself. I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to established a case against this kind of organization. The information got out though, there must be a snitch among them and some players didn't comply with the supposed act. Probably the one who receives less than $28K. According to the article bribing every player including the referee and coaches are the common way to fix a match. This is really proof that there is a fixed match in sports. Surprisingly, all I thought these happen often in boxing where tough mafia guys are from South America But corruption in sports cases in 11 countries based on Loughborough University research (2010-2018) 1 France 2 United Kingdom 3 Bulgaria
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February 16, 2023, 04:32:45 PM |
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It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00). In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting. Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention. In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year. Although it is very common in other games like cricket I have never heard it for football. All I heard was football players are already paid huge amount for their games and so they don't even need bribes. But I guess not all football players are paid such huge amounts. Bribery is common though. We have already heard so many cases in so many games that it doesn't sound shocking now.
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The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.
I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.
The amount of time and effort they spend only to reach that rank is unimaginable and it's crazy on how they trade it for some quick buck. I don't think their pay is small but maybe those players are only confident that their acting skills are good enough for them to not get caught by the officials but you are right that games like this can be rare on a bigger league because most players still value their reputation much more than the bribes that they could possibly get and besides, they can still earn some cash reward I think? No matter if they win or lose. The penalty that you suggested there is I think not big enough. Big is when they ban the players forever from playing but I like this better so that the rates of this cases might be lessened drastically.
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February 16, 2023, 04:52:51 PM |
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Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention. In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
Which match was fixed by the players? I tried looking for the article as I was interested to read more about the match fixing case but there weren't many results aside from this this one. This is why we should stick to the big leagues when betting but i'm surprised that a lot of the players are willing to put their careers on the line when they're just one step away from reaching the highest division in their country and potentially earning more in the long run. They could've earned that same amount by continuing to play but I guess they prefer to choose the worst way out.
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February 16, 2023, 05:32:53 PM |
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Which match was fixed by the players? I tried looking for the article as I was interested to read more about the match fixing case but there weren't many results aside from this this one. It was these 3 matches: Vila Nova x Sport Criciúma x Tombense Sampaio Correa x Londrina None of these 6 teams are internationally recognized (maybe Sport Recife), they are teams from the second division of Brazilian soccer. But in Brazil everyone knows these teams. One of the reasons for choosing these teams was precisely the lower visibility.
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February 16, 2023, 05:57:39 PM |
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The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.
I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.
The amount of time and effort they spend only to reach that rank is unimaginable and it's crazy on how they trade it for some quick buck. I don't think their pay is small but maybe those players are only confident that their acting skills are good enough for them to not get caught by the officials but you are right that games like this can be rare on a bigger league because most players still value their reputation much more than the bribes that they could possibly get and besides, they can still earn some cash reward I think? No matter if they win or lose. The penalty that you suggested there is I think not big enough. Big is when they ban the players forever from playing but I like this better so that the rates of this cases might be lessened drastically. Match fixing is a common term in recent times. Often such irregularities are reported which greatly affect the quality of any game. It is not just one player who is responsible. Everyone associated with it for influential. But it cannot be denied that if a player does not agree to fixing then no match fixing situation will arise. So it is definitely a player's responsibility and if it is proven, it should be punished severely.
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February 16, 2023, 06:02:50 PM |
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I wonder to what extent these people who organize this make a profit, because I keep thinking about the following:
there is a soccer game on the 16th for example, team A has odds of @2.00 and team B has odds @2.40, so someone decides to take 1 million dollars to pay all of team A and the coach to lose on purpose and that person would have to bet more than 1 million dollars on team B, but which bookmakers accept bets of more than 1 million dollars?
my point is that to manipulate a game is not something that can be done with little money and whoever does it is taking a lot of risk, I also don't understand these people bet where because in all casinos there is a maximum value to bet and I doubt it will pass 1 million dollars
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