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The tire management of RBR is better, Verstappen will be an easy race unless some hazard happens.
I can't see how he can lose, remember also under DRS the RBR is the best car and on Monza DRS is huge.
Yep , correct + Ferrari not having a good race pace with current car so I think Verstappen will easily take the W tomorrow as well. However, we might have a great battle for second and 3rd place as Ferrari might snatch a 2-3 podium if somehow their strategists won't ruin the race In this qualifying I didn't see any other team except Russell exceptional personal performance that can fight with the Ferraris,I am really surprised at Hamilton low pace today and of course the Aston Martin and McLaren were nowhere near fighting for one of the top spots.It will be interesting to see tomorrow the fight with Perez against Ferraris,if he beats them then it means he is not sleeping anymore and want to go from being a mediocre driver to a driver that asks always for more,he should do so as he just secured his place for 2024 at Redbull and what better way to celebrate it.
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I was expecting some improvement from Ferrari in Italy as it is home country for them. But I didn't see this coming in qualifying. What an insane effort by Sainz for the pole! It is really not easy to beat Verstappen with this powerful Red Bull in qualifying as well. But finally we have seen someone doing this.
I hope to see one of Ferrari drivers on podium at least but I hope the team don't mess things up. Because they tend to make simple mistakes in every race.
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Yes we all know we have race until the first turn, in which Verstappen overtakes Sainz and pull him and his car in another boring solo until the checked flag.
So like always we are gonna enjoy the fight for the podiums place only. Anyways nice to see the step forward made by Ferrari. But one question its real? or only for this time?
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But one question its real? or only for this time?
I believe it's only because Monza is a very fast track and fast tracks are suiting Ferrari right now. I don't expect Ferrari to compete against RedBull from now on because most likely, McLaren and Mercedes might be ahead on slower tracks again, as usually.
However, today's qualifying gave us a few interesting results and I expect Williams to be very strong here. After rain affected Williams in Zandvoort very badly, I've placed 2 bets on Williams: Albon (6) is very fast and at 6.00 odds he might even overtake Russell (4) and stay in front of Hamilton ( and Alonso (10). Sargeant has had some difficulties but Williams is a very fast car, so getting in front of Bottas, Hulkenberg and Zhou should be possible. Opinions?
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Awful race crash in moto gp with at least 5 riders being involved + ambulance and red flag immediately deployed on the track. Hopefully , all the riders are ok and no real injuries have been made during this crash.
For F1 , I think Ferrari will win today as Redbull kinda screwed up yesterday with the fuel on the car so today they will have to run it on low fuel and I'm afraid Max has a chance for DNF today but we will see...still almost 1 hour to go until race start.
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For F1 , I think Ferrari will win today as Redbull kinda screwed up yesterday with the fuel on the car so today they will have to run it on low fuel and I'm afraid Max has a chance for DNF today but we will see...still almost 1 hour to go until race start.
What? Why run it on low fuel? Don't you think if any issues after qualifying occured, why RedBull couldn't fix it? Sometimes we have huge crashes in qualifying and cars will be fixed in time to participate racing. Yes, Perez had a fuel leak yesterday before qualifying but it was fixed. Even if still necessary, RedBull could fix any damage after qualifying again. Shouldn't be an issue at all and RedBull will be able to run their car as usually. Or did I miss any important information?
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Last year we had some problems in the first lap with a Ferrari and a Mercedes touching themselves and pushing Russell out of the track in the first double corner of this track.Max should be very careful to not make any mistake as he is starting in a sandwich between the Ferraris.
When asked from Skysports journalist how will you get that 10th win today he joked by coming first but jokes aside he said I am not that concerned about 10 victories in a row,all I want is to get another Championship in my pocket because in the end this is what I fight for,so he is focused on the Championship although he has already won it.Maybe he wanted to remove attention from him and try to win this race.
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As said yesterday RBR got an easy day today, especially with Max. You can't just beat them, Ferrari today was the second-best car.
Hard to say who is really the second car at the moment, The performance changes a lot depending on the track, only one constant stays and it is at the top of the chart.
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I wish I put Sainz instead of Leclerc to third place. I thought Leclerc would have a better race. He was actually nearly overtaking Sainz in the last moments but Sainz defended him really well. But Vasseur must have watched that rivalry really worriedly. In case of an accident they would have both been out of podium. Ferrari drivers must have made their fans satisfied with their determination at least. Sainz could have defended Verstappen much better if he had a better car but he still did a good job. He would have stalled Verstappen behind more though if it wasn't for that simple mistake.
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Verstappen is kicking asses this season, he is in best form of his life and I dont remember time when anyone was being so dominant in every race. Red Bull Formula helped him but Sergio Perez has the same car and he is not winning so much this season. Singapore Grand Prix will be interesting to watch, Ferrari had great results there in previous seasons.
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September 04, 2023, 01:29:29 PM |
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For this kind of seasons its where i found a very silly question like who is the best driver of all times? a very stupid question.
Because its a non sense when you have a full dominant car and also the other cars are shit compared to you, i dont really know how good are you really. Im not saying Verstappen its not one of the best, because he show to all in several seasons how good he is, but this World Championship are more from manufacter than driver for me.
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For this kind of seasons its where i found a very silly question like who is the best driver of all times? a very stupid question.
Because its a non sense when you have a full dominant car and also the other cars are shit compared to you, i dont really know how good are you really. Im not saying Verstappen its not one of the best, because he show to all in several seasons how good he is, but this World Championship are more from manufacter than driver for me.
Was the same at Senna time. When he won with Mcleared he had a car like the Redbull of today, very very very dominant. The only one who won with 2 very different cars is Schumacher.
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The only one who won with 2 very different cars is Schumacher.
Hamilton won World Champion's title in 2 cars as well. First time, he won in McLaren 2008 and later he won in Mercedes 5 times (2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2019). But yes, it's very difficult to win World Champion's title in 2 different cars. Maybe Verstappen can do it as well but he'll probably stay at RedBull. I don't see him changing teams any time soon.
Great race from Ferrari after all, especially at home. Hopefully, Ferrari can gain some confidence but I mostly believe it's track related as Ferrari has been doing well on fast tracks, like Azerbaijan earlier.
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Verstappen is really unstoppable. This is just a way different kind of domination I have ever seen. He has even broken a record of winning 10 consecutive races. He was equal with Vettel before the race in Monza. It looks like Verstappen can even continue to improve this record to a much higher level. There are still 8 more races in the calendar. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes this record 18 races. As long as he doesn't have a problem with the car I don't see a way to stop him.
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Hamilton won World Champion's title in 2 cars as well. First time, he won in McLaren 2008 and later he won in Mercedes 5 times (2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2019).
Yeah but I think is a bit different since it was Mclaren Mercedes at start, so they may had the same men in both teams. Atleast some of them
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September 06, 2023, 08:52:26 PM |
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For me doesnt matter if it was one team two team or 3 team champion in this case, because we are talking about dominant car and no matter what team is if it is a dominant car still a ominant car an a easy win. Sorry if i become repetitive in my last sentence.
I still repeat the main fault for me in all this hibryd era is from Ferrari, from the big 3 (Ferrari, RBR, Mercedes) two has produced dominant cars and Ferrari dont in all this years.
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I accept that Verstappen is a very good driver. However we need to accept that the result won't change if we put Sainz, Russell, Hamilton or Leclerc in his car today as well. Red Bull engineers should be the ones receiving the actual praise here. They managed to do a much better work than all of their opponents.
Schumacher's signing for Ferrari was a big challenge in those times' conditions. And Schumacher put his stamp on history as a legend by being successful at Ferrari as well.
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^ Wait, you saying that Verstappen is good just because of his car..? Then why can't Perez make the drivers championship close? I think right now, at this version of Verstappen, in the same car he'll edge out Sainz, Russell and Leclerc. It's Hamilton who could really make it close imho. But that's just me.
I'm not saying the car has nothing to do with winning races but saying Verstappen isn't a brilliant driver and that Russell could beat him in the same car any day of the week is just wrong. I mean Albon could beat Russell in some races in his Williams.
And about Schumacher, just like your argument about RBR's team, most of the engineering team at Benetton went with Schumacher at Ferrari.
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September 08, 2023, 02:26:45 PM |
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I see the leaderboard has finally shifted at the top, great job all you chasers as we approach the final quarter of the season. I'm still maintaining my position in 8th, just hope I'm more of a Piastri climbing up or even Leclerc, and not ending up like a Yuki and going out when the going gets tough haha. I had some people over at my place (Dutch) and while they're pleased with Max, they all seem to really like the way Tsunoda rubs off on them. Not sure if it's the same reason I liked him from last season (I have an underdog bias though).
Concur though that "best driver" is an argument that's as futile as GOAT drivel in football/sports/etc. I enjoy athletes, I love them all.
tokeweed man why isn't your ass in UCL pool?
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September 08, 2023, 06:36:12 PM |
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^ Wait, you saying that Verstappen is good just because of his car..? Then why can't Perez make the drivers championship close? I think right now, at this version of Verstappen, in the same car he'll edge out Sainz, Russell and Leclerc. It's Hamilton who could really make it close imho. But that's just me.
No but is the combination, Verstappen is the best driver or one of the best drivers in the best car. When Perez is in a good day he also has 1 second lap time faster in races ahead of the other cars, so it is definitely the best car.
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