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March 07, 2023, 08:26:22 AM
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Apart from the casualties and deaths that are recorded during wars, I would've said from time to time it will be good for wars to break out. This is because wars afford us the period for realignment and repositioning. It's often said that those who refuse peaceful negotiations make wars inevitable. Most times it's cheating and highhandedness that lead to war. So, when these wars happen they help the parties involved to readjust their thought and behavioural patterns.

Who is the neutral authority that decides which country is at fault and must be punished? So far we have seen that country that is powerful decides what is right (or might is right). We have seen USA invading Iraq for finding WMDs and ends up saying there were no WMDs there. Is there any compensation for human lives lost in Iraq due to this invasion? Since USA is super power no one questioned him for that adventure. There are many stories like that.
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March 07, 2023, 08:51:37 AM
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations.

Not devastating to bankers however - quite the opposite.

You see, after a war, the countries involved get loans from banks to improve their economy (money which they can create from thin air as an entry in the database because they are allowed to). They have to pay regular interest fees to those banks, and that makes the owners of those banks stinking rich. So they actually profit from the outcome of a war, either direction it goes - as long as their own country is not invaded.

The United States, after the end of World War II, became a powerful country precisely because its territory was not affected by hostilities.  At the same time, the industry and agriculture of many potential US competitors were completely destroyed by the war. 

See the paragraph above. It's because they loaned money to the Allies and Axis countries.

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March 07, 2023, 09:21:39 AM
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North African countries are benefiting coz it seems like they get the cheapest Russian oil and then sell it to European countries 3x its price. That's a huge gain for them.
then this is truly a benefits lol.

but does this not making them prone from the sanctions of whom who supports russia?

but either way this is truly a good thing for them and their people(if not being abused by the corrupt government as we knew about north africa)
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They need to make more money, after all, it's the best they can do while the EU keeps sanctioning Russia. While Russia also benefits from taking more land from Ukraine. I don't think the regions are going back to Ukraine and will be on the table once the minds cool down and are ready for peace negotiation.
but still war is devastating and not to be tolerated right?

US can really do something about this since Zelensky only listens to the West. They could end the war. If they really want to.

Everyone wants to enrich and if they benefit from this war in any manner, they will do it. India and China benefits from cheap oil as well. But thats just what they do. None of them gets sanctioned yet.  But its not just US who can sanction these days.




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March 07, 2023, 10:48:09 AM
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Have you ever read and someone said that War is the most profitable business?

surely some people are no stranger to the question.
I've even read a lot of news and articles related to this. that there are people who really benefit from war. And of course one of them is a military weapons manufacturer. the arms industry will certainly be the most preoccupied with this. because the more orders they receive.

even if you read about the income of the arms company then surely you will be very surprised.
like in the 2021 article I read that
" It turns out that the world has spent around 1.7 trillion dollars a year just for war. And for comparison: Turns out Global humanitarian funding is only 1.3% of that." (Sourch).

And if you read about the annual value of arms sales in every arms company, you will be amazed at how much they earn. So for the question of who will benefit the most, please conclude.

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March 07, 2023, 11:22:37 AM
Last edit: March 07, 2023, 03:05:48 PM by mprep
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War is something no society should do, as its consequences are devastating and unforgettable for generations. When two or more countries are at war, it is said that there are other countries that benefit in one way or another from the war as it drags on and escalates, especially economic gain being one of them.
   The incessant war between Russia and Ukraine, which has been going on for almost a year, and the consequences of the war between these two countries, not only concern the two warring countries, but have gone so far as to affect the economies of many countries of the world that they have no participation or intervention in said war. countries in Europe are experiencing gas shortages, while countries in Africa and other continents are suffering from an economic downturn due to the fact that some products and services are no longer available due to the consequences of the war.
In connection with this war between Russia and Ukraine, the effect of which is felt directly or indirectly in almost all parts of the world, I want to ask if there are beneficiaries of this war and how they benefit from it.


You are quite mistaken.
1. This war has been going on for more than 1 year. Russia attacked Ukraine back in 2014. Occupied part of the territory of Ukraine. This is the annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, this is the capture and organization of a puppet separatist government in two sewers - the DPR and the LPR
2. This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is Ukraine that defends its country, its people and its territory from an aggressor country. Which by the way acted as a guarantor of the inviolability of the territory of Ukraine, according to the Budapest Memorandum, when Ukraine abandoned its nuclear weapons. At the time of Ukraine's refusal of nuclear weapons, Ukraine had the third largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world, after the United States and Russia.
3. Everything that is happening now in the world is a manifestation of Russian aggression against Ukraine. And then also economic terror against the EU.



Another news from "great russia", "whose economy is stable, and sanctions are useless" Smiley
Sanctions are not useless; on the contrary, they are very useful for Russia. Under conditions of free trade and an open market, Russia had no chance to develop its own economy, and it is precisely the closing of borders thanks to sanctions that gives Russia a chance to become economically self-sufficient and throw off the suffocating "Parshev's noose "from its neck. When two-thirds of your territory is permafrost, globalization and transparent borders become unprofitable. Russia becomes stronger in the presence of strong external threats and weakens when surrounded by friends. For Russia, the collapse of the USSR in the economic sense was not a tragedy, but a boon. Fool who does not understand this.

Are you really not worried about the wild dissonance in what you say and what the Kremlin squeals to the whole world? Smiley
It is strange to hear your mantras for self-hypnosis, despite the fact that:
- The Russian economy is "bursting at the seams"
- Huge holes in the budget
- Isolation of an already very weak economy from the world economy. Before the start of the war against Ukraine, Russia's share in the world economy was 1.8%, now it is no more than 1%. Russia has become a raw material appendage of China and India
- The defeat of the army, and the complete fiasco of the tale of "unparalleled Russian weapons." Loss of the arms market, where until recently Russia held a leading position
- The status of a pariah country, now for decades.
- Impoverishment and degradation of the Russian population
- Loss of the largest oil and gas market - the EU
... you can list the "benefits of sanctions" for a long time
Do you seriously want to say that these are all positive changes? Smiley

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March 07, 2023, 11:35:41 AM
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Have you ever read and someone said that War is the most profitable business?

surely some people are no stranger to the question.
I've even read a lot of news and articles related to this. that there are people who really benefit from war. And of course one of them is a military weapons manufacturer. the arms industry will certainly be the most preoccupied with this. because the more orders they receive.

even if you read about the income of the arms company then surely you will be very surprised.
like in the 2021 article I read that
" It turns out that the world has spent around 1.7 trillion dollars a year just for war. And for comparison: Turns out Global humanitarian funding is only 1.3% of that." (Sourch).

And if you read about the annual value of arms sales in every arms company, you will be amazed at how much they earn. So for the question of who will benefit the most, please conclude.

Currently, drones are massively used in combat battles between Russian and Ukrainian troops.  These drones (they are also called "birds") are needed in very large numbers. 

They are lifted into the air and used for reconnaissance.  Without their use, it is impossible to prepare in advance for an attack or repulse an enemy attack. 

These drones are not industrial products.  They are assembled from Chinese components that are sold by Chinese merchants on Avito. 

At the same time, both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers buy them.  Chinese merchants don't care who buys their drones - they are only interested in money.

 
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March 07, 2023, 01:51:09 PM
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


Its usually weapon manufacturers but in the case of the Russia-Ukraine war Oil companies are also big beneficiaries of the war. With the ban on Russia  most of Asia and Europe looked to Gulf countries for oil supply. We aw the surge in gas prices all over the world. The Oil companies and Oil producing countries stand to gain from that.
In the weeks following Russia's invasion of Ukraine we also saw the stock of top defense companies like Lockheed Martin increase by 20%. This shows how much these companies make from these wars.
Pharmaceutical companies also benefits to an extent in wars like this. there are also risk to it but its highly profitable to these companies.   

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March 07, 2023, 02:29:10 PM
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With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
Honestly, war is not a thing to be proud of. It is not good for any Country to go to war with another country or with itself the consequences are just too grave. It is true that when two countries go into war, there are some people or countries that benefits from it. But is it worth it? The conflict between Russians and Ukraine, the war between them is actually affecting some countries in Europe and Asia, there is no exportation of gas from Russian therefore any nearby country that has access to transport gas to Europeans will sell at a higher price and it will automatically affect the economy of the Europeans. Who suffers poor people.

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March 07, 2023, 02:39:55 PM
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With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
The impact of the war, as a whole anyone can see that the two countries in conflict suffered losses, both enemies and victims of war, in terms of the economy is a factor impacting large losses, the loss factor of various economic aspects.
* Buildings were destroyed, many people died, trade, investors stalled, all structures related to the economy were paralyzed.

The impact of the war in terms of profits also exists, but only a handful of people, for example: those involved in the arms trade and others, however, if the war is thoroughly studied as a whole the biggest impact is losses. only a few people benefit from the effects of war.

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March 07, 2023, 02:59:29 PM
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With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.
Honestly, war is not a thing to be proud of. It is not good for any Country to go to war with another country or with itself the consequences are just too grave. It is true that when two countries go into war, there are some people or countries that benefits from it. But is it worth it? The conflict between Russians and Ukraine, the war between them is actually affecting some countries in Europe and Asia, there is no exportation of gas from Russian therefore any nearby country that has access to transport gas to Europeans will sell at a higher price and it will automatically affect the economy of the Europeans. Who suffers poor people.

For ordinary citizens like us, war is something no one wants to happen, nothing to be proud of, but for politicians looking for power, it is something they always want to do. Ukraine and Russia would have no interest in a war, but other countries would benefit greatly. Countries that sell weapons, countries that buy cheap oil and then resell it at a high price, Russia's opponents want this war to happen and last because only then can they contain Russia, even making this country obsolete...Too many people benefited when war broke out. That's why war has never disappeared from this earth.

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Just like any other business, war is a big, profitable business. There are so many people and organizations that profit during a period of war, but I am going to just focus on people who deal in arms and smugglers too.

During war, militias, separatists, the military, and individuals will need to defend themselves from their enemies, whoever the person or group may be. Because you cannot bring a knife to a gun fight, knowing that the sole aim of your enemy is to eliminate you, you will do everything possible to get a gun. The government won't sell guns to you; what happens, you turn to those who deal in them illegally— the arms dealers. The folks do not care who wins or loses. They just want to sell their guns and make a profit. And trust me, because the demand for arms will be high with a low supply of it, the price will skyrocket, and they will make huge profits.

Likewise smugglers, they can move people and goods in country and out of the country for a huge fee. It may be by air, land or sea they have the contact and as long as you have good cash, they are good to go. These people can smuggle high profile people, politicians, wealthy people out of the country. Their business booms in war.

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March 07, 2023, 03:16:29 PM
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Apart from the casualties and deaths that are recorded during wars, I would've said from time to time it will be good for wars to break out. This is because wars afford us the period for realignment and repositioning. It's often said that those who refuse peaceful negotiations make wars inevitable. Most times it's cheating and highhandedness that lead to war. So, when these wars happen they help the parties involved to readjust their thought and behavioural patterns.
Who is the neutral authority that decides which country is at fault and must be punished? So far we have seen that country that is powerful decides what is right (or might is right). We have seen USA invading Iraq for finding WMDs and ends up saying there were no WMDs there. Is there any compensation for human lives lost in Iraq due to this invasion? Since USA is super power no one questioned him for that adventure. There are many stories like that.
I would guess that factories being so much in work and no other nation had the same chances made USA leap forward with selling stuff to rest of the world for a long time. Mainly cars, but even other things like fridges and washers and simple other stuff as well, hell even agriculture stuff too.

Because none of their factories were bombed, whereas all the other "rich" nations were bombed and didn't had any factories left, and even the ones that were standing were changed into arms manufacturers anyway. So, it's true that 50's and 60's were an amazing period for USA and that did helped them a lot. I keep supporting the idea that WWII would have ended, maybe a bit later, even without USA.

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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


The biggest loser will be the EU. No matter what happens next, these guys are screwed. They have already lost. EU has lost it's cheap resources/fossil fuels (but not only that, also fertilizers and other stuff important for farming and agriculture, some rare metals, potassium etc) which will lead to many companies going out of business, lots of money spent on supporting Ukraine, lots of money spent on hosting refugees etc.

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

US and China will be neither winners nor losers. China will go on trading with both Russia and the US, nothing will change for them. The US will sell a sh*tload of weapons and military equipment all around the world and will be just fine too. They will experience a blow to their reputation of a superpower and "world police" status (only a couple of years ago they had to withdraw from Afghanistan).
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.


The biggest loser will be the EU. No matter what happens next, these guys are screwed. They have already lost. EU has lost it's cheap resources/fossil fuels (but not only that, also fertilizers and other stuff important for farming and agriculture, some rare metals, potassium etc) which will lead to many companies going out of business, lots of money spent on supporting Ukraine, lots of money spent on hosting refugees etc.

The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.

US and China will be neither winners nor losers. China will go on trading with both Russia and the US, nothing will change for them. The US will sell a sh*tload of weapons and military equipment all around the world and will be just fine too. They will experience a blow to their reputation of a superpower and "world police" status (only a couple of years ago they had to withdraw from Afghanistan).

In my opinion, Russia cannot get an economic gain in this war.

Suppose that Russia manages to annex the entire territory of Ukraine to its territory (up to the border with Poland)

Russia's main problem is the demographic problem - Russia has very few people to control such a large area of ​​the country.  

However, as a result of hostilities, people are dying - young sexually mature men.  Some boys and girls decided to leave the country for other countries (Armenia, Mongolia, Georgia, Finland, Dubai, etc.). This is due to the announcement of partial mobilization in Russia.

At the same time, in the new annexed territories, most likely, there will be a war with Ukrainian partisans.  

That is, people will continue to die even after the formal end of the war.

 
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When we talk about the Ukraine and Russia war, only Russia has benefits from it as they can gain land, but for Ukraine, they are fighting for freedom. Also in war, the only thing that can benefit is the business of weaponry dealers like those who will make tanks, arm weapons, and anything else that was used in war because the demand is increasing, so they will make and make until the end of the war, meaning they are getting money from those countries on war. We normal people are affected by it, and we can't stop it on our own.
Most of the military countries monopolize the manufacture of weapons, and it is not possible for private companies to obtain licenses to manufacture any type of weapons.  These countries monopolize the industry, since its production is mainly for defense purposes, or it is sold on the global market.  In general, this country does not push towards wars, and the military industry is not one of the components of its economy. 
In other countries, private companies monopolize the arms industry, and since financial profit is their primary goal, they are pushing with all their efforts towards concluding more deals with potential customers.  These companies interfere in the political decision and do not care whether their customers are regular armies or armed groups.

I read that the market for the sale of weapons is very small in terms of capitalization when compared with other global markets (for example, the market for oil, natural gas, grain, etc.)

Therefore, it is not arms sellers who receive the main benefits from the war (although of course they also earn very  big money).  Weapons rather play a role in the capture of new territories rich in minerals. 

If, for example, the United States were not such a militarily strong state, then the US dollar would hardly have become the world's reserve currency. 

However, the war itself is destructive and has catastrophic consequences.


Each party can benefit from wars according to its location and in its way. Military manufacturing companies benefit from providing conflict areas with weapons, and on this basis they do not mind supporting war decisions. And politicians benefit from these wars by invading new lands and benefiting from their goods. Most wars between countries are for colonial reasons.

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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.



You described it well and phrased an interesting question. I must say that the question, if you really think about it in detail, is an incredibly complex one and you would have differentiate on so many levels and in so many areas to come up with an answer that at least offers some level of detail.

You could say that China benefits from cheap energy since Russia is forced to find alternative customers because of the ban of Western countries. While China now has cheap energy, they are also an export nation that depends on frictionless markets and smoothly working supply chains. Is it a good deal to have cheap energy in exchange for markets full of frictions and disturbed supply chains? If you just calculate that in monetary terms, I guess China is worse off as they benefit the most from a vibrant global economy with them at the core of a main export nation.

But if you look at it from a political angle, China benefits from Russia doing the dirty work now, meaning that they are keeping the West busy with defending Ukraine while they can stockpile military equipment produced with cheap energy in order to prepare for some future confrontation.

Now this is just a tiny excerpt of what is going on in the world. The fact alone that Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for almost 25% of the global grain export shows how critical they are to the global food supply especially in areas like Africa.

I doubt that any country as a whole is better off economically because of the war. Industries are, of course, but entire countries, I don't know. My guess would be no. If anyone knows better than me, I'd be interested in knowing.

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March 07, 2023, 07:45:01 PM
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.



You described it well and phrased an interesting question. I must say that the question, if you really think about it in detail, is an incredibly complex one and you would have differentiate on so many levels and in so many areas to come up with an answer that at least offers some level of detail.

You could say that China benefits from cheap energy since Russia is forced to find alternative customers because of the ban of Western countries. While China now has cheap energy, they are also an export nation that depends on frictionless markets and smoothly working supply chains. Is it a good deal to have cheap energy in exchange for markets full of frictions and disturbed supply chains? If you just calculate that in monetary terms, I guess China is worse off as they benefit the most from a vibrant global economy with them at the core of a main export nation.

But if you look at it from a political angle, China benefits from Russia doing the dirty work now, meaning that they are keeping the West busy with defending Ukraine while they can stockpile military equipment produced with cheap energy in order to prepare for some future confrontation.

Now this is just a tiny excerpt of what is going on in the world. The fact alone that Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for almost 25% of the global grain export shows how critical they are to the global food supply especially in areas like Africa.

I doubt that any country as a whole is better off economically because of the war. Industries are, of course, but entire countries, I don't know. My guess would be no. If anyone knows better than me, I'd be interested in knowing.

Yes, I agree with you that in the conditions of the collapse of the globalization system, all countries suffer economic losses. 

The system of international division of labor makes it possible to produce goods cheaply and in large quantities.  World peace allows you to build the most optimal supply chains.  All this leads to the well-being and prosperity of all countries.  Wars lead to economic losses, and these losses are borne not only by the parties to the conflict, but by the whole world as a whole. 

However, even in this difficult situation, some countries that carry out a balanced and adequate foreign policy receive certain preferences. 

These countries I would include Turkey, India and China, as well as the Arab countries.

 
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March 09, 2023, 06:26:54 AM
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War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.

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March 09, 2023, 05:11:36 PM
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.



You described it well and phrased an interesting question. I must say that the question, if you really think about it in detail, is an incredibly complex one and you would have differentiate on so many levels and in so many areas to come up with an answer that at least offers some level of detail.

You could say that China benefits from cheap energy since Russia is forced to find alternative customers because of the ban of Western countries. While China now has cheap energy, they are also an export nation that depends on frictionless markets and smoothly working supply chains. Is it a good deal to have cheap energy in exchange for markets full of frictions and disturbed supply chains? If you just calculate that in monetary terms, I guess China is worse off as they benefit the most from a vibrant global economy with them at the core of a main export nation.

But if you look at it from a political angle, China benefits from Russia doing the dirty work now, meaning that they are keeping the West busy with defending Ukraine while they can stockpile military equipment produced with cheap energy in order to prepare for some future confrontation.

Now this is just a tiny excerpt of what is going on in the world. The fact alone that Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for almost 25% of the global grain export shows how critical they are to the global food supply especially in areas like Africa.

I doubt that any country as a whole is better off economically because of the war. Industries are, of course, but entire countries, I don't know. My guess would be no. If anyone knows better than me, I'd be interested in knowing.

Yes, I agree with you that in the conditions of the collapse of the globalization system, all countries suffer economic losses. 

The system of international division of labor makes it possible to produce goods cheaply and in large quantities.  World peace allows you to build the most optimal supply chains.  All this leads to the well-being and prosperity of all countries.  Wars lead to economic losses, and these losses are borne not only by the parties to the conflict, but by the whole world as a whole. 

However, even in this difficult situation, some countries that carry out a balanced and adequate foreign policy receive certain preferences. 

These countries I would include Turkey, India and China, as well as the Arab countries.

That is actually a very important point you raised here as well. Economies of scale due to international division of labor has an enormous impact on our output capacities, which is important as for a long time we had an ever growing population and along with it demand for all kinds of goods and services. How important optimal supply chains are and how the service sector is dependent them as well could very well be seen during the pandemic when China was the largest exporter of hygiene articles and equipment that was needed to provide inside and outside of hospitals. When supply chains stopped working optimally due to lockdowns, it took quite a while to fix the shortages and some countries were even forced to make up for stuck supply chains by ramping up their own production of certain products they usually obtained from abroad.

The war has now also shown how globally interconnected production and supply chains are. That is why Taiwan is a point of contention as well as it dominates the global chip industry and is key to countless production processes of vital technical products.

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March 09, 2023, 07:14:03 PM
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Obviously at least one politician. This isn't the only war in the world and in Russia vs Ukraine, it was Putin that "won", even if the war could be lost or won, which I do not know what the latest situation is but I am at least entirely certain that it wasn't as easy as Putin wanted it to be, and much harder than the 2014 version.

I still think that he won in the sense that he is keeping the full power to himself and we could all joke about "double shot to head suicide" as we all want, he is going to rule that nation until he dies thanks to moves like this and there is nothing the world could ever do. Hell, in a sense he won against Ukraine's president too, doubt that guy could get elected, even after all he did for his nation.

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