📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5%

[WEB503]

I recently read an article about why the White Paper was published on the same date as Halloween.

It said that Satoshi deliberately chose this date because on this day Martin Luther announced his ideas that questioned the power of the Vatican. And it seemed interesting to me to do some kind of competition dedicated to some memorable date (unfortunately, Halloween has already passed).  Any ideas on this?

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I recently read an article about why the White Paper was published on the same date as Halloween.

It said that Satoshi deliberately chose this date because on this day Martin Luther announced his ideas that questioned the power of the Vatican. And it seemed interesting to me to do some kind of competition dedicated to some memorable date (unfortunately, Halloween has already passed).  Any ideas on this?

Next halving in April 2024 could be a good opportunity. I think for example, if you organize things like a physical wallet raffle (like Mixtum or Unijoin, or krogoth ones), it can be nice to fund the wallet with a tx included in the last block before halving   But yeah, still have to wait 170 days until halving..


Otherwise, you can scroll this link, it provides a lot of important dates related to BTC history : https://trustmachines.co/bitcoin-history/

[WEB503]

This is a translation into Russian
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468461.msg62915845#msg62915845

Please explain these phrases so that I can correct the translation:

"We do not keep logs or provide letters of guarantee" and  "The only proof of cleaning in our service is a letter of guarantee"

I don't understand how to work with this contradiction.

Further
"You receive either coins from our clients who took advantage of the “max anonymity” "

What if the clients’ coins are “dirty”?

Thank you! We just added a link to your topic in the OP. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

I recently read an article about why the White Paper was published on the same date as Halloween.

It said that Satoshi deliberately chose this date because on this day Martin Luther announced his ideas that questioned the power of the Vatican.

Perhaps we'll never know for sure what was inside Satoshi's mind, but it's certain that there are many subtleties present thorough his work. For example, Satoshi never talked about politics per se. Yet the message included in Genesis block says a lot about his libertarian and anarchic view. He did not use that article from Times only to prove the date of Genesis block, but he also expressed that he was against this bailout for the banks.

We can also remember some of his old emails, which also express his political view: "It's very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly. I'm better with code than with words though."

So yes, it could be that Satoshi chose on purpose the date for releasing the white paper...

[internetional]

And it seemed interesting to me to do some kind of competition dedicated to some memorable date (unfortunately, Halloween has already passed).  Any ideas on this?

There is a good Bitcoin calendar here: https://old.21ideas.org/bitcoin-calendar/ Unfortunately, it is in Russian only, but there are many memorable dates. For instance, Nov-28 was the day when bitcoin price surpassed the $1,000 mark for the first time, in 2013. The tenth anniversary of this achievement could be a reason for a contest related to the number 1000 or for a contest with a prize fund of $1000.

[WEB503]

We need some advice. Is it allowed according to the forum rules to ask someone else to make a local translation of a thread if a translation already exists? The problem is that the user who translated the thread into Russian did not update the informative links in the Russian-language OP, although our manager reminded him of this. Looking into the future, we would prefer to choose someone who is more outgoing.

[internetional]

In many threads dedicated to various services, the initial message contains outdated information. This is almost always the case if the thread is opened not by a representative of the discussed service. I believe there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, I tend to read the latest messages in a thread rather than the first ones. I assume I'm not alone in this.

As for the rules, it's better to clarify in the Meta section. Duplicate messages are prohibited, but if it involves translating a text modified beyond recognition, it's unlikely that the translation can be considered a duplication of the original text.

[GazetaBitcoin]

We need some advice. Is it allowed according to the forum rules to ask someone else to make a local translation of a thread if a translation already exists? The problem is that the user who translated the thread into Russian did not update the informative links in the Russian-language OP, although our manager reminded him of this.

Yes, this can be done and it would not break forum rules.

Duplicate messages are prohibited, but if it involves translating a text modified beyond recognition, it's unlikely that the translation can be considered a duplication of the original text.

There is no rule for a duplicate translation

The only rule stating anything about duplicate posts states, in fact, that translations are permitted:

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated [...]

Other than that, I would also want to inform WEB503 that I'll make a Romanian translation of this thread.

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We need some advice. Is it allowed according to the forum rules to ask someone else to make a local translation of a thread if a translation already exists? The problem is that the user who translated the thread into Russian did not update the informative links in the Russian-language OP, although our manager reminded him of this.

Yes, this can be done and it would not break forum rules.

I'm not sure that some of the administrators won't see it as plagiarism. I have seen some bizarre examples of users being banned because they "plagiarized themselves" by reposting their own posts.

@WEB503 I think you should do some kind of quote with additions, be sure to provide a reference to the first posted translated thread, along with the necessary explanations with possible changes.

[Etranger]

There is no rule for a duplicate translation

The only rule stating anything about duplicate posts states, in fact, that translations are permitted:

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting topics in the local language boards if they're translated [...]

From that rule I can draw a conclusion, that the translation is permitted indeed, however, it can be assumed that we are talking here about the first ever translation, not the next versions of that translation into the language, into which some translation was previously made. That is what internetional meant, as far as I can see. And in this case it would be better to modify the OP in the translation that already exists, rather that create another one. Or simply add updates in the translation thread making a new post.

[GazetaBitcoin]

If you read carefully WEB503's post, you can see that the author of the current translation is not receptive. As a result, updating the current translation can not be done.

The second translation will not look precisely as the first one, therefore it can not be considered a duplicate. A duplicate would be a copy-paste of the first one.

In my experience I was once contacted by a Nigerian user which wanted to translate a topic of mine from those which I listed here. I explained to him to make sure he follows my stated rules or else I will not take his translation in consideration. He agreed. One of the rules was to send me a preview before publishing the translation and wait for my approval. As I expected (he had a low rank), he made a mess of a translation. And he also published it without my consent.

So I rejected the existence of that translation. Later, it was translated by someone else and the new user made a good translation thus I allowed him to publish it. That means that in Nigerian local board there are 2 translations for that topic of mine. One is a mess and one is good. Nobody suffered any punishment for publishing the second translation.


Other than that, WEB403 please din here the Romanian translation of your topic: 📌 [banned mixer] - Anonimitate Maximă 🤖 Comision 1 - 5‰.

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@WEB503 , here is the French translation of your ANN :

📌 [banned mixer] - Anonymat Maximum 🤖 Frais de 1 à 5‰

I've already added the link of the Romanian version in the translation.

Please let me know if there's anything you don't agree with!

[WEB503]

iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2, GazetaBitcoin Thank you very much for taking the time to localize our thread!

I hope the threads you translated will be no less active than our main thread! 

I would send you a like (merit), but unfortunately I don’t know how often I can do this since at the moment I see “0” .

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iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2, GazetaBitcoin Thank you very much for taking the time to localize our thread!

I hope the threads you translated will be no less active than our main thread! 

Thank you.

Yes, I'd like that too, at least more users will potentially hear about Webmixer 

I would send you a like (merit), but unfortunately I don’t know how often I can do this since at the moment I see “0” .

You need to earn 2 merits to be able to send 1.

So if you already sent your 12 smerits, you cannot indeed send more for now. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2, GazetaBitcoin Thank you very much for taking the time to localize our thread!

You are very welcome! It was a pleasure to do the translation.

I hope the threads you translated will be no less active than our main thread!  

Let's hope so! Oh and about your request from the translated topic, I already replied you there: there is a link toward your original thread (and also one nominating you as the author) Please look again.

I would send you a like (merit), but unfortunately I don’t know how often I can do this since at the moment I see “0”

Don't worry about that You'll can do it after you'll receive more merits.


I also take this opportunity to let you know about 3 small typos I notices inside the original Webmixer thread:

1. Topic title indicates an incorrect fee: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5‰
The fee is 1-5%, not 1 - 5‰. It should look like this: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5%

2. This part contains 2 small typos: "[...] or you receive Bitcoins sent from exchanges. This coins is unlinkable [...]"

- it should be "bitcoins" instead of "Bitcoins" (when you refer to the currency "bitcoin" term should be used; "Bitcoin" is used for when referring to the network)
- "This coins is" should be changed with "These coins are"

I hope this helps.

[WEB503]

1. Topic title indicates an incorrect fee: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5‰
The fee is 1-5%, not 1 - 5‰. It should look like this: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5%

This is not actually a typo. In the section in which our thread is located, there are many other threads whose names contain unusual Unicode characters. And we just wanted to find some kind of non-repeating symbol for the thread that would convey the essence and look quite unusual. I don’t think that anyone in real life constantly encounters this symbol (thousandths of a percent), so we considered it reasonable to add it to the name of the thread.

2. This part contains 2 small typos: "[...] or you receive Bitcoins sent from exchanges. This coins is unlinkable [...]"

- it should be "bitcoins" instead of "Bitcoins" (when you refer to the currency "bitcoin" term should be used; "Bitcoin" is used for when referring to the network)
- "This coins is" should be changed with "These coins are"

I hope this helps.

Thanks, this has been fixed.  

[GazetaBitcoin]

2. This part contains 2 small typos: "[...] or you receive Bitcoins sent from exchanges. This coins is unlinkable [...]"
- it should be "bitcoins" instead of "Bitcoins" (when you refer to the currency "bitcoin" term should be used; "Bitcoin" is used for when referring to the network)
- "This coins is" should be changed with "These coins are"

Thanks, this has been fixed.  

Glad I could help here

1. Topic title indicates an incorrect fee: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5‰
The fee is 1-5%, not 1 - 5‰.

This is not actually a typo. In the section in which our thread is located, there are many other threads whose names contain unusual Unicode characters. And we just wanted to find some kind of non-repeating symbol for the thread that would convey the essence and look quite unusual. I don’t think that anyone in real life constantly encounters this symbol (thousandths of a percent), so we considered it reasonable to add it to the name of the thread.

I understand that you looked for an out-of-ordinary symbol but, at same time, take into consideration that "‰", just like "%", is a mathematical symbol. Practically, in your topic title you are stating that you are charging fees 100 times smaller than in reality.

Then afterwards, within the thread, you are stating fees 100 times higher than those mentioned in topic title:

We charge from 1% to 5% of the amount + 0,0007 BTC

1-5% is 100 times greater than 1-5‰ and this may raise some (unpleasant) discussion at some point. My friendly recommendation is to forget about the "fanciness" of "‰" and use the correct symbol representing your fees, which is "%". This may be a long shot, but I've seen users tagged on this forum for far less that that. You never know who will read this and see that topic title states something then below other amounts are stated and from this someone could leave you an unpleasant feedback...

It's up to you how you'll proceed, I just gave you my two cents.

[WEB503]

We charge from 1% to 5% of the amount + 0,0007 BTC

1-5% is 100 times greater than 1-5‰ and this may raise some (unpleasant) discussion at some point. My friendly recommendation is to forget about the "fanciness" of "‰" and use the correct symbol representing your fees, which is "%". This may be a long shot, but I've seen users tagged on this forum for far less that that. You never know who will read this and see that topic title states something then below other amounts are stated and from this someone could leave you an unpleasant feedback...

It's up to you how you'll proceed, I just gave you my two cents.
[/quote]I think it's unlikely that this would be a reason for a tag, especially given our intentions.

But still, we decided to listen to your advice and renamed the thread. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

I think it's unlikely that this would be a reason for a tag, especially given our intentions.

But still, we decided to listen to your advice and renamed the thread. 

WEB503, you know the saying -- better safe than sorry I salute your decision and I inform you that I also operated this change in the Romanian translation of the topic.

I also recommend you to contact French and German translators (iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2 and Buchi-88) to perform this change as well. The other translations are not ready yet, so the translators will see the change when they'll do their translations...

Other than that, perhaps you can also eliminate the Russian translation from OP, since it's outdated and a new translation will be performed in Russian...? (If you want I can talk to a Russian native speaker and kindly ask if he wants to make a new translation in Russian language).

[paid2]

I also recommend you to contact French and German translators (iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2 and Buchi-88) to perform this change as well. The other translations are not ready yet, so the translators will see the change when they'll do their translations...

French translation is now updated