How honest and transparent are casinos?

[BobK71]

Since most of the casinos were out to make business and serve gamblers right, i believe they will try every possible best to make this their major target through customers satisfaction, if they aren't reliable or being honest, gamblers will not refer them, use them or maintain a loyalty patronage with them anyone, so many will like to keep to their integrity with the gamblers in other to keep running except for those whose sole agenda was to scam gamblers and attack them by depriving them some rights.

If a gambling site engages in such activities, they will fail to qualify the site for the gamblers. Gamblers will lose trust in them for a small amount of money and their reputation will be greatly damaged gambling authorities would never expect this situation. Established casino platforms will never want to take this risk. But if it becomes normal for a site to keep this secret then gamblers will have nothing to do. Furthermore, a gambler's slightest doubt can lead to a big loss for that particular platform.

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[maydna]

And so far, I think the casinos we use as places to gamble have tried to always be transparent with their members. Maybe the casinos don't disclose everything about promotions and bonuses but at least the casinos have given the best they can to their members. We won't be able to enjoy gambling if we only focus on things we don't know for sure and even if we try to look for them, maybe we won't find the answers either. So it's better for us to enjoy gambling and take the promotions and bonuses we want.

We don't need to spend time thinking about it because until whenever we will never know unless the casino publishes a drop or bonus distribution list in the telegram group or posts on a Twitter account, but for top platforms we will never doubt the team because they will definitely distribute to all members according to the drop recipient quota or bonus. We don't need to know because it won't be useful for us to know and it's better to enjoy gambling and increase the chances of winning your bet.

Even though the casino publishes a drop or bonus distribution list, we still don't know the total number of people who have received the drop or bonus. And that trusted casino will never lie to their customers by giving them fake info. And casinos know how to treat their customers so they can keep playing at their casinos and not doubt the performance of the casinos. And that's what makes a trusted casino remain transparent to its customers because a trusted casino must be able to maintain the trust of its customers and not disappoint them.

[Apocollapse]

If a gambling site engages in such activities, they will fail to qualify the site for the gamblers. Gamblers will lose trust in them for a small amount of money and their reputation will be greatly damaged gambling authorities would never expect this situation. Established casino platforms will never want to take this risk. But if it becomes normal for a site to keep this secret then gamblers will have nothing to do. Furthermore, a gambler's slightest doubt can lead to a big loss for that particular platform.

But there's no way to know right? then how you can know if the casino engage in such activities? it's different if the casino announce the winner in twitter giveaway and when you dig the winners accounts, you don't find if the accounts were fulfill the requirement in order to be eligible.

An internal giveaway make you have no way to check it, what you can do is accept and think the casino already being honest.

[Kakmakr]

Well, the most important thing happens to be that you're also making your money and receiving it.
Their dropping is just an added bonus to encourage you to stay with them, if the casino isn't giving, would you stay because of the dropping???

That is not the meaning behind this thread.... Yes, some people still get some FREE money, but the point is, so much more people should have received that money too. Let's say there are 20 000 people competing for 2500 drops..... and a casino says it is giving for 2500 people, but they are actually just giving it to 500 people, then 2000 people are not getting it. (What if you tried, but you are number 501... and you should have received it, but the casino are not honest and transparent)

This is also a break in the trust relationship between the casino and the gamblers, if they are doing that. It takes only one honest whistleblower to expose practices like this... or a skilled white hat hacker to show other gamblers what they are doing. 

[EarnOnVictor]

Since most of the casinos were out to make business and serve gamblers right, i believe they will try every possible best to make this their major target through customers satisfaction, if they aren't reliable or being honest, gamblers will not refer them, use them or maintain a loyalty patronage with them anyone, so many will like to keep to their integrity with the gamblers in other to keep running except for those whose sole agenda was to scam gamblers and attack them by depriving them some rights.

If a gambling site engages in such activities, they will fail to qualify the site for the gamblers. Gamblers will lose trust in them for a small amount of money and their reputation will be greatly damaged gambling authorities would never expect this situation. Established casino platforms will never want to take this risk. But if it becomes normal for a site to keep this secret then gamblers will have nothing to do. Furthermore, a gambler's slightest doubt can lead to a big loss for that particular platform.

What @Dunamisx explained is an excellent point. It's a thing to attract a customer but another thing to keep them with you. The satisfactory services of a casino are key, and they should be fair in all their dealings. The internet is viral these days and no casino should see it as business as usual in terms of cheating. They should be up and doing and know that they can never go scot-free scamming people all about.

It will only ridicule them in the end and they might lose their business to better ones.

[AicecreaME]

We can't really know how transparent these casinos are because in the first place, they have the option to not disclose their operations to the public because it might possess risks and consequences on their end. We can't really blame them for not sharing everything because not everything are meant to be shared after all. Some things are confidential, most especially those things that involves their system and algorithms because if ever the public will have the access to those important information, it could expose the vulnerabilities of the website which can be abused by other players. Additionally, the competitors might even get an idea on how to counterattack their competitor casino because of too much transparency offered.

[Nrcewker]

They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

[joniboini]

This is also a break in the trust relationship between the casino and the gamblers, if they are doing that. It takes only one honest whistleblower to expose practices like this... or a skilled white hat hacker to show other gamblers what they are doing.  

I think they can use this same argument to answer your question. Since doing something like this can damage their reputation and potentially make them lose customers, there is no need for them to cheat their customers. Plus it is easy and probably hard to prevent since anyone can be a white hat hacker even though they seem so greedy. Not to mention the cost to cover any giveaway is probably not that big compared to all of their expense.

Obviously, they can simply lie and the owner can simply lock out any access to sensitive data for his workers. Not the best answer to hear, but probably the one that will likely be given if you ask them directly. Snce they probably won't give any data about this, if you're suspicious about something like this, the only thing that you can do is probably do the data digging yourself or hire a white hat hacker to do so.

[pawanjain]

The truth is we can't really find out if the site is actually giving away the drops or not.
Some do post the draws which can be verified but most of the times its just out in the thin air.
Trusted and reputed sites don't cheat their users usually because one mistake can decline their user base by a huge margin.
This is why they tend to do genuine promotions only which in turn increases their user base.

It's just not possible to have assurance the process is legit, because even if the casino is transparent by showing the users' profiles who won the prize, we will never be able to make sure if those are real accounts, or accounts created by the casino itself to fake a promotion. All we have in our favour is the casino's credibility with the community and it's our decision to trust them or not.

That is why I prefer promotions which reward everyone who join it by completing a requirement, instead of joining promotions which will select only few participants to be the winners.

But even if you complete a requirement then there's no assurance that the promotion is legit or not.
As you said, it's just on the community whether to trust the site or not.
This is why there are only very few sites which have gained the trust of community.
So whichever promotions they launch would turn out to be genuine.

[Agbe]

Does it have to be transparent?
The casinos decide what to do with their own money and who to give bonuses to. They want to make more money, who are we to judge them? The gambling businesses aren't charity foundations, after all. They don't have any social and moral obligations(sad, but true).
I'm pretty sure the casinos will give "drops" and bonuses to the most hardcore gamblers, in order to keep them spending money on the casino.
There's no point giving away money and bonuses to new players, who might play once or twice and leave the casino after a while.

I agreed with you but they have to fulfill their promises of the total amount of drops and the bonuses. That is a faithful service to humanity, which sees from the spiritual aspect of life. No casino is 100% truthful, as the op said, a casino might promised to give a bonus of 2500 gamblers probably with $300 each, as davis196 also made it clear, we not to judge them, the money and the number of people will be determined by the company whom to give. And if all the 2500 what to take the drop them they must be active gamblers in the site and not passive gamblers in the casino site. The total number of people that received the drop or the bonus would not be known because we don't know how many active gamblers are there in the site.

[panjul07]

They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

Great points especially about the privacy policy of the users as well as the casino policy about their marketing strategy.
If I have to guess, OP is referring to the bonus drop in Stake telegram group and maybe he failed so many times to claim the bonus code because he is too late.
Perhaps because of this, he started to think that the given amount is not the same as what is announced.
As most stake's players know, most of their bonus codes is fully claimed within minutes (even less than a minute most of the time).

[tusandii]

But there's no way to know right? then how you can know if the casino engage in such activities? it's different if the casino announce the winner in twitter giveaway and when you dig the winners accounts, you don't find if the accounts were fulfill the requirement in order to be eligible.

An internal giveaway make you have no way to check it, what you can do is accept and think the casino already being honest.

Gamblers will never be able to find out what the casino is doing and whether this activity is really happening because there is no door for gamblers to go deeper to see all about casino activity unless gamblers can hack into the casino system, it might be easy for them to find out.
After all, casinos will always keep a tight lid on what they are actually doing because if an error occurs it can damage the trust of gamblers and damage the reputation of a casino.
Every giveaway that is carried out by the casino, no one can know whether the winner actually meets the requirements or not because only the casino itself knows everything that has determined the conditions of the giveaway.
We don't even know who actually won the giveaway because every detailed information from customers will be kept and kept secret by the casino.

[Peanutswar]

Those bonuses sometimes have their requirements before the players redeem those rewards, and we know how the gambling industry works, there's a winner and there's a loser thats all, in terms of marketing strategy of promoting there are a lot of different ways today so the player will not comply with those rewards requirements will not a receive a reward to become fair for the players who really commit in the game. Those are just a small portion of their marketing strategy to gain more players, gambling casino has tons of budget just to keep their platform growing.

[Findingnemo]

If a casino is doing such trick by giving away fake numbers then sooner or later they will get caught in some way...

casinos that do this will never be found out, that's because reliable casino employees never tell that casino X or Z promoted bonuses for 1000 people and only gave bonuses for 500 people, I don't know what criteria casinos use to hire their employees, but the fact is that the employees who know everything about the casino never open their mouths to speak ill of the casino and expose everything they know about the casino, so far this system has worked well, that's why we will never know if the casinos always tell the truth or not

Most of the cryptocurrency casinos are operated with less number of employees so the operators choose them only when they are trusted enough but any casino will take such risk which will end their money making business one day when they get caught probably via ex employee cause the competition in crypto casino is getting higher so as far as my assumption they won't give fake numbers just to attract customers.

[khaled0111]

How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?

This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.
To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.

[Fatunad]

How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?

This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.
To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.

There's no way of verifying those players whether those are legit or not, thing here is that they do really give that fair service to those who do gamble out.Somehow it do really sucks
when you do know that you are been deceived or believing into something which it isnt really just that fair at all but as i said earlier which there's no way to confirm up these things.
This is why it would be always suggestable that we should really be getting involved into those sites or places which does have that most recognition
or having that reputation.

[Cling18]

How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?

This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.
To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.

There's no way of verifying those players whether those are legit or not, thing here is that they do really give that fair service to those who do gamble out.Somehow it do really sucks
when you do know that you are been deceived or believing into something which it isnt really just that fair at all but as i said earlier which there's no way to confirm up these things.
This is why it would be always suggestable that we should really be getting involved into those sites or places which does have the most recognition
or having that reputation.

If a casino is transparent, it would have a strong and reliable community that can prove whether the result of real or not. I don't think casinos will provide transparency regarding the winners and it's very rare nowadays. However, I like the idea of having a trusted streamer who would do the draw live for transparency. Through it, gamblers could see transparency and legitimacy which can also increase the reputation rate of a casino.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

How can the gamblers verify that the actual amount of people are receiving the drop or the bonus, if there are no list to verify it?

This won't solve the problem because even if the casino publish the list of winners, there is no way to verify that those winners are real users and not just bots or fake usernames.
To make it as transparent as possible, the casino can partner with a reputable streamer and ask him to draw the winners on a live stream or use a provably fair system like giving each user a ticket number and use the blockchain (transactions/blocks hashes) to determine the winners.

Hmm, I think you guys are taking the drop features on casinos too far, one thing I believe is that the drop which happens in casinos chat box was never designed to be something really important, or a kind of giveaway that should really matter, drops are designed as a way of rewarding users who spend their time on the casinos chat box helping other and probably sharing ideas on what to bet and game to play, it is also a way of encouraging other users to become and stay active in the chat too.

Taking the drop to YouTube or which ever platform the stream is to happen, will simply kill the purpose to which the drop was introduced in the first place.

[wxa7115]

Well, the most important thing happens to be that you're also making your money and receiving it.
Their dropping is just an added bonus to encourage you to stay with them, if the casino isn't giving, would you stay because of the dropping???

That is not the meaning behind this thread.... Yes, some people still get some FREE money, but the point is, so much more people should have received that money too. Let's say there are 20 000 people competing for 2500 drops..... and a casino says it is giving for 2500 people, but they are actually just giving it to 500 people, then 2000 people are not getting it. (What if you tried, but you are number 501... and you should have received it, but the casino are not honest and transparent)

This is also a break in the trust relationship between the casino and the gamblers, if they are doing that. It takes only one honest whistleblower to expose practices like this... or a skilled white hat hacker to show other gamblers what they are doing. 

And it is because of this I think legitimate casinos do not follow this practice, if it was ever found out that a casino was promising a number of bonuses but the gamblers which actually received it were many times lower this will hit their reputation, as it is a very dishonest practice.

And while there is no way for us to corroborate the numbers are accurate, it would be easy for a disgruntled employee to expose them if this was the case, putting at risk a business worth millions over a few dollars.

[Solosanz]

They cannot publicly display the list of who is getting how much bonus or drops, as this will lead to the violation of the user’s privacy policy. Moreover why are you caring for other people? If you are getting your rewards as promised, then definitely others might be getting the same also. Regarding the honesty, then your only concern should be how fair the games are that you are playing. You can easily verify the seeds of the game and can easily conclude that whether the casino is honest and transparent or not. Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

User's privacy policy? what about Freebitco.in where they mention the winner who get a Lambo? what about casino where they will give a list of top 10 highest wagering competition? what about casino ask you to tweet their post and mention your username you used in their casino to claim the giveaway? don't you think these aren't privacy matter?

There's no mention if publicly display the list of winners is violating the user's privacy policy, it's different if the casino share your ID card to unknown user.