Can we trust 3rd party Slot providers?

[Yogee]

Spend time on chat rooms of these casinos and you'll probably see some users demanding the owners to add a specific third party slots provider so that must mean they find them as trustworthy...

If customers keep asking the team to add a particular game to the list they have then that do not means that the third party game s are good and trustworthy.

It simply means THEY trust those third party slots providers. There is no other reason why they would ask a game to be added in the first place.

These are just people's opinion and if the team think that it could tarnish there name at the end, then they have teb privilege to remove any third party games that would hurt the trustworthy of the casinos so they people would not later come back to hunt the casino of having scam slot providers on there casino. This is business and everyone needs to be careful.

Those are not just people's opinions. Those are coming from real casino players. It's a given that owners will still have to review those games before deciding to add but requests from players like that are not something that the casino should ignore. There are gamblers that only plays in a casino if they see their favorite slots provider there.

[Jawhead999]

If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.

Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.

[Yatsan]

Depends but what is actually the need to do so? Why would it be more preferred than betting directly? What would give you more assurance? Problem only with fraudalent gambling platforms are rigged machines wherein you can easily avoid especially once you noticed winning is close to zero percent. weSlot providers are a biased to some players but if it is just assurance for sure there are ways to minimize the risk of encountering bad casinos. One is simply checking the site's credibility which can be done in many ways as well; asking players or checking its popularity in this industry. So I won't really suggest third party slot providers. Also, third party provider would get commission by providing their service, so...

[Eureka_07]

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Let's discuss....  

Technically, I think it should be: "Can these slot providers be trusted by the casino operators?" If ever the deal between them is the % of the profit from the slot, which means, if the provider wants to potentially earn more, then they might rig the slot without the casino owner and us knowing unless we are knowledgeable of verifying the fairness of each bet.
On the other hand, if no shady activities were done, then we should assume that there were just technical difficulties, probably bugs, that need to be taken care of before re-launching. After all, the gambling industry is dominated by 3rd party providers. So I believe that we can definitely trust them, furthermore, I think logs are existing so we can check how everything was configured. I just do not know if it is available for the public (as it should be so thus to provide transparency).

[Cling18]

If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.

Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.

There are still number of trusted provider games that continuously gain the trust of many players. They are providing fair games which maintain the trust of gamblers. However, we can't deny the fact that suspicious providers exist and they obviously have irregularities when it comes to results. If we notice suspicious occurrences on these provider games, we better switch to casino games than risk them. We still have lots of good choices than risking our funds on untrusted providers. We just have to be skeptical and keen observers when playing.

[Webetcoins]

The reason why casinos might drop games from specific game providers could be anything, there might even be some argument between the two which might have caused that to happen, but whatever the reason is, there is basically no way to find out if they are actually providing the advertised RTPs or not unless they are being audited by auditing services.

The best way to tackle that is probably to only play games from the most famous and trusted game providers like Pragmatic Plays which also have the most interesting and engaging games and are most probably the trusted providers in the industry.

[rahmad2nd]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Sometimes, this question pops up in my mind. Can the 3rd party slot provider be trusted? Unfortunately, I don't have a correct answer to your question. moreover, I tend to prefer betting on sports over slot games. However, that doesn't mean I don't play slot games. well, when we refer to casinos we trust, especially casinos that have a trustworthy reputation. automatically, making us believe playing at our favorite casino. even so, because I'm not a slot addict, we often ignore things like this and don't really mind. it's just that referring to your posts in this thread, and referring to what stake.com is doing, actually makes us even more confident if platforms casino don't hesitate to remove 3rd party slot providers who are allegedly doing irregularities. so, I can only entrust cases like this to related casinos. in particular, our favorite casino.

[_act_]

Nothing we can do for this case if we want to play the games except trust the provider of the game.

Gambling itself is at the side of the gambling sites, while third parties too make money as it is providing the gambling sites the games that the gambling sites are provide their customers. I do not see any reason not to trust thrid party game providers, they are not even the gambling site because where they are making money from is the games that they are providing.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

I don't have a correct answer to your question. moreover, I tend to prefer betting on sports over slot games.

You're again playing on a 3rd party provider, probably a mix of them (platform + various bets/odds providers like Betradar).

[m2017]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Do players have a choice? Either you agree to the conditions provided and play without knowing anything about the audit of games and customizability RTP, or - the exit out is in that direction.

In my opinion, no one asks the players anything whether they like it or not, but to demand and limit - this is done easily.

Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.

Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.

It turns out funny that the gamblers must trust the casino, but the casino doesn't trust its players and requires KYC verification. Not very equal rights are obtained, is it?

[Hispo]

I don't have a correct answer to your question. moreover, I tend to prefer betting on sports over slot games.

You're again playing on a 3rd party provider, probably a mix of them (platform + various bets/odds providers like Betradar).

While you are not completely wrong. I would say that it is not the same to trust slots provided by third parties than trusting odds or services intended for sport betting. After all, you can gamble on slots during long sessions and during days and days and you would not be sure whether the game is rigged against you or not. That is main topic of the thread.

On the other hand, when you bet on sports, it is very unlikely to suffer from the same thing, since the results do not depend on the provider of the book and those are of public knowledge for everyone who watches the matches, so the honest outcome it cannot be hidden from the bettor. 

[Learn Bitcoin]

If there are no ways to verify their claims, You don't know what they are doing behind the scene. You are exclusively relying on trust. That's all. I don't know if there is a specific company that audits slot providers' games. If any company does that, you may know by this time. I did a Google search and found https://luisvilanova.es/. They have published a report after ISS and ISMS Audit, which can be found here https://luisvilanova.es/iss-audit-and-isms-audit-in-betting-slots-in-virtual-casinos/?lang=en I found a bunch of more articles that refer to audit. But those are bullshit with a bunch of irrelevant spam.

[jostorres]

Nothing we can do for this case if we want to play the games except trust the provider of the game.

Gambling itself is at the side of the gambling sites, while third parties too make money as it is providing the gambling sites the games that the gambling sites are provide their customers. I do not see any reason not to trust thrid party game providers, they are not even the gambling site because where they are making money from is the games that they are providing.

I'm not sure about all of them, but some game providers allow gambling directly on their games through their websites, like Pragmatic Plays games can be played directly from their website where you can create an account, make a deposit and play the games that you like, you may even play for free with only credit and no money. Some game providers including Pragmatic Play are actually trusted and have been around for a pretty long time.

Though you can't say that there is no reason not to trust third-party game providers, it can be said that we basically have no choice. You can barely find a casino that provides slots that are originally created by them.

[ryzaadit]

I think we all-agree

Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.

I read some cases, CASINO refuse to pay jackpot user because they think have some glitch or cheating. However, the "Provider" game confirm the wining is legit and they register to bitcointalk as well to inform the case. Due, the problem are with the casino and the provider think the casino want to frame the provider with some false allegation. You want to know what the provider did? they stop the service with the casino due of this.

Based on that case, provider is not always on casino side.

[AbuBhakar]

I think we all-agree

Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.

Correct. I’m playing slot because I like playing their games which I don’t have a choice than to trust them because there’s no way for me to play the slot in different version which we can verify the fairness. It’s enough for me to see that many players are using it because that’s when the trust built to make other user confidence on playing the slot.

I think this trust discussion on slot provider is long overdue because this slot provider exist for many years and it’s too late now to not trust them because they are already part of the crypto casino for a long time. Questioning their credibility now will not gonna change the fact that they are already being trusted by the majority of online casino users.

[BitcoinPanther]

The reason why casinos might drop games from specific game providers could be anything, there might even be some argument between the two which might have caused that to happen, but whatever the reason is, there is basically no way to find out if they are actually providing the advertised RTPs or not unless they are being audited by auditing services.

I believe one of the major reasons why a gambling platform will drop a third party slot providers is because the casino had found that the games of that slot provider have glitches than can be exploited by players that can lead to the losses of the casino.  Other than that, it is also possible that the games by the third party casino does not attract interest enough player and having them around only waste the resources of a casino.

The best way to tackle that is probably to only play games from the most famous and trusted game providers like Pragmatic Plays which also have the most interesting and engaging games and are most probably the trusted providers in the industry.

Well, it is one of the solutions, but I think it is better to choose reputable casino than to choose specific 3rd party slot providers because we neve know when these unreputable casinos modify the system of the casino in order to gain advantage over the player.

[Synchronice]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Are there any options other than 3rd party slot providers? I haven't seen any famous casino with its own slot company, all of them partner with lots of different slot providers for more options and to meet the requirements of their users.
To be honest, RTP is so low on slots, I don't really know why someone plays them with a hope of win. If you google the RPT of slot games, it literally tells you that from every 10 dollar you bet, I'm gonna take 1 dollar and after that you guys still hope that you will get returns from it?
Btw slots are regulated. In any case, they don't really need to cheat.

[o48o]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Well at least we can trust that some casinos like stake are monitoring those irregularities. It could be that slot providers will need to be audited more closely in the future and those new providers will be under a microscope for a while. I personally don't understand why it would be worth risk to them as reputation is everything and this only drives monopoly to bigger slot providers so it will be hard for new legit providers to entry to markets.

[Johnyz]

I think we all-agree

Whether you trust them or not, you must trust them if playing their games. If you think, their game are shady or their have something fishy then you should skip that. However, I want to share a unique experience.

I read some cases, CASINO refuse to pay jackpot user because they think have some glitch or cheating. However, the "Provider" game confirm the wining is legit and they register to bitcointalk as well to inform the case. Due, the problem are with the casino and the provider think the casino want to frame the provider with some false allegation. You want to know what the provider did? they stop the service with the casino due of this.

Based on that case, provider is not always on casino side.

Casinos should be more responsible for this as they are the one choosing the providers on their site and its not the problem of a gambler, they should solve that internally and let the gambler get his reward. Too bad if you are being trap on this situation, anyway I agree that we should trust them as we play their games, there’s also a big factor here on which site you are playing, a reputable site will always have a good gaming provider.

[harizen]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

In the first place, what choice do we have? And I don't think "trust" should be the keyword here.

If these game providers are still listed on gambling sites, especially popular ones, we will still play their games no matter what especially for those slot bettors who already experienced winning decently at those slots. It's already a clear thing that bettors rely on the status of the gambling site itself, and not on the game providers inside the platform.

Trust is subjective but as long as these game providers are present on the gambling site, many users will still play their slots games even without knowing the technical side of how fair results are generated, RTPs, and something along those lines.