Can we trust 3rd party Slot providers?

[DoublerHunter]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

In the first place, what choice do we have? And I don't think "trust" should be the keyword here.

^Trust + provably fair system would be the answer.
When it comes to trusting third-party slot providers in online casinos, consider having your own research and choosing a reputable casino that has been licensed and regulated by a reputable authority. For me, it should be the RTP is typically calculated based on a theoretical simulation that assumes a number of spins. This means that the actual RTP that a player experiences over a smaller number of spins may differ from the theoretical RTP, and there may be variance in the short term.

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[goinmerry]

Not until these slot providers reportedly do some irregularities, that's the only time we shouldn't trust them. We will never know if these providers will be crappy providers in the future. Besides, if these providers really intend to do some irregularities, I think the gambling site itself will have the advantages as losses will be part of the site's overall revenue and the cost is even less than the site is spending to pay that said providers.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone knows if there's already a case of a shitty activity done by a popular slot provider in the past and the gambling site involved is also popular? Is that slot provider already in operation and accepted by most gambling sites?

The question is general and not only for crypto-gambling sites.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

      -  Third party slot providers can be trusted as long as they are doing well and comply with the policy of a casino, why not?

A casino only removes a 3rd party provider from a slot if they see that their platform can be affected due to an issue that a slot provider can create. And this is normal for a casino platform so they can maintain the good reputation they have.

[Weawant]

Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.
Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.

You're very correct, we have to trust the casino we're using and believe they won't scam us. If they believe that a 3rd party slot providers are the best option then we have to trust them and make use of the site that way.

If the slots 3rd party provider doesn't scam anyone then we have to trust them. All that matters are my profits that I'm making, I don't really care how the casino is been operated, since I'm not getting scammed.

Also provided I'm not getting any discomfort and so are the other customers of the casino aren't getting any discomfort as well then we have to make use of the casino platform as it is. In the future if things change we stop using the casino.

[borovichok]

Not until these slot providers reportedly do some irregularities, that's the only time we shouldn't trust them. We will never know if these providers will be crappy providers in the future. Besides, if these providers really intend to do some irregularities, I think the gambling site itself will have the advantages as losses will be part of the site's overall revenue and the cost is even less than the site is spending to pay that said providers.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone knows if there's already a case of a shitty activity done by a popular slot provider in the past and the gambling site involved is also popular? Is that slot provider already in operation and accepted by most gambling sites?

The question is general and not only for crypto-gambling sites.

Recognizing that no one knows what the future holds, we were urged to remain strong and prepared for whatever event might occur. When it comes to online, I've always expected critical losses, failing and repeating, and getting back up for the purpose to fit in the objective of innovation. Slot providers accomplished their fundamental task, however being limited in their civic duty due to inconsistencies is completely understandable. They move in a shady manner, and their movement is highlighted with good features; they readily put limits on them. There is no knowledge of any previous pending proceedings against slot providers or gambling.

[noorman0]

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Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Supposedly the casino can handle that itself, and actually it's the backend developer's responsibility if the casino is selective enough to hire an experienced team. The fact is that most game providers and casinos themselves have set up their separate independent audit teams from well-known companies. And again we are led to rely on third parties.

[Kakmakr]

The thing is this.... all the code that are used in third party Slots and games are proprietary software..... they are not using Open source code that can be Peer reviewed or tested by the public.

The licensing authorities most probably, do not test the software to determine if it "legit".... they just govern and regulate the operation of these companies.

How will they know if the code in the software will bypass the output of the Client & server seed and the RNG to display a loss, when it was actually a big win? ....or to freeze the game, when there are a significant win? ...or to display a fake RTP when it is audited and hiding the actual RTP. 

[kingvirtus09]

If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.

Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.

You are right there, we still have the final choice of which game we want to play in a casino. It's also very simple if you don't like third party providers and you have doubts about it, don't play it. So you don't have any problems in the end.
It's just that there are different games from the original, there's boredom to play, but that's still up to you.

[adzino]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Not really. You can't verify the bets you place on those games. And then when you win big, they will start "investigating" how you won big. They won't do it when you lose though.. Most likely they removed those games because they didn't meet the standards and likely wouldn't reveal anything about how their slots work or so on. Why would a casino risk their reputation by using a 3rd party slot that has lots of irregularities?

[tusandii]

      -  Third party slot providers can be trusted as long as they are doing well and comply with the policy of a casino, why not?

A casino only removes a 3rd party provider from a slot if they see that their platform can be affected due to an issue that a slot provider can create. And this is normal for a casino platform so they can maintain the good reputation they have.

After all, third-party slot providers will only be added by casinos if they can have a good impact and can also provide benefits for the casino, we as gamblers can only play and choose which one we can trust and can rely on.
If we can trust a casino, indirectly the existing slot providers can also be trusted because it greatly affects reputation so it is impossible to disappoint users.

I agree with your statement because providers who give influence and problems in casinos will definitely be removed soon so we don't have to think too much about whether they can be trusted or not.

[Coin_trader]

After all, third-party slot providers will only be added by casinos if they can have a good impact and can also provide benefits for the casino, we as gamblers can only play and choose which one we can trust and can rely on.
If we can trust a casino, indirectly the existing slot providers can also be trusted because it greatly affects reputation so it is impossible to disappoint users.

Slot provider reputation will not directly reflect casino reputation since most of the slot providers especially the popular one is being added by many casino including scammy casino and reputable casino since they will just add the software of the provider while the casino get a commission on every spin. I suggest that we should do our own due diligence on checking the slot provider before we can trust them.

providers who give influence and problems in casinos will definitely be removed soon so we don't have to think too much about whether they can be trusted or not.

Casino will only remove the provider once there’s known issue with them not if this provider have issue on other casino. This idea of trusting is invalid if the provider has a problem on other casino while the casino you are using is not updated on the active case on other casino. Remember that there’s a lot of cases being file on all of the slot provider.

But sticking on the popular brand will gonna give you less chance of being scam but still there still a threat because this provider is not open source. They can rig the game whenever they want.

[Z390]

Are there any other solution than trusting these 3rd party slot providers? If there is nothing better than this then we have to manage things as it is, for now. Casinos have every right to remove a game if they believe that something is up, truth is the majority of those games are in good shape and fewer people are complaining about them so it seems things are fine, if not, the complaints will be everywhere by now.

[ethereumhunter]

If you're really skepticism with third party slot providers, then you should only gamble on original games which created by the casino.

Casinos which have many selections of original games are Freebitco.in, Stake, Bitsler and Jackbit, just choose the one that make you more comfortable. Although those games will not give you a huge multipliers, but it's still a lucky based games where you only need to click spin.

You are right there, we still have the final choice of which game we want to play in a casino. It's also very simple if you don't like third party providers and you have doubts about it, don't play it. So you don't have any problems in the end.
It's just that there are different games from the original, there's boredom to play, but that's still up to you.

And in the end, he will get bored because there aren't many games like that. Meanwhile, we play them hundreds of times or even thousands of times because we doubt whether the third-party slot provider is fair.

And when that is the case, they will return to playing at casinos that provide third-party slot providers. In the end, they won't mind third parties and play the many gambling games that casinos have provided. So we better not have to think about too complicated things and just enjoy the gambling game by playing lots of slot games.

[QueenVera]

Well  this is business  and people also want to make money from it and for the third part games that was removed  from stake, there might be possibilities  of stake not making any profits from such games and if they aren't making money and profits from the games, then they should be making losses and no one gets into a business  to make loss.
I don't know if anyone checked Google  to see if these games were removed from other reputable platforms as well but I think I'm not bothered about third parties since the casino  has to do some auditing before putting those games on their platform and since I trust whatever casino i decide to use, I have no reason to be worried over third party games.

[dothebeats]

I’m pretty sure before these providers are chosen by the platform, they are being audited first for what they offer and checked for any possible irregularities they may have on their system. Third-party auditors of these game providers also exist, so there’s that. As for us users, we can’t really know if the casino or the gaming providers are being straight with us; heck, we can’t even trust the casino’s own game if we start to doubt their third-party game providers too. It is a system built in trust, and something that is hard to completely ignore when questionable stuff starts happening here and there.

[Solosanz]

I don't know if anyone checked Google  to see if these games were removed from other reputable platforms as well but I think I'm not bothered about third parties since the casino  has to do some auditing before putting those games on their platform and since I trust whatever casino i decide to use, I have no reason to be worried over third party games.

If a reputable casino will audit every game from third party provider, Stake will not add these third party provider in the first place lol.

AFAIK Stake have added Yggdrasil and iSoftbet since the few years ago, but they realized something is wrong with these providers in this year. This mean if you're use Stake and you gamble on Yggdrasil's game, you're already get scammed since the games are rigged. This mean you need to check the provider reputation, not only relying to the casino reputation.

[benalexis12]

      -  Third party slot providers can be trusted as long as they are doing well and comply with the policy of a casino, why not?

A casino only removes a 3rd party provider from a slot if they see that their platform can be affected due to an issue that a slot provider can create. And this is normal for a casino platform so they can maintain the good reputation they have.

After all, third-party slot providers will only be added by casinos if they can have a good impact and can also provide benefits for the casino, we as gamblers can only play and choose which one we can trust and can rely on.
If we can trust a casino, indirectly the existing slot providers can also be trusted because it greatly affects reputation so it is impossible to disappoint users.

I agree with your statement because providers who give influence and problems in casinos will definitely be removed soon so we don't have to think too much about whether they can be trusted or not.

Agreed, actually gamblers don't even realize if the third party covers the slot games we can choose because we only choose the ones we think we can get lucky or have fun with the game.
Especially if most gamblers have experienced with a third-party provider that they have won several times in those games, because for sure gamblers will come back to it again and again, I said this because I have experienced it.

[arwin100]

I don't know if anyone checked Google  to see if these games were removed from other reputable platforms as well but I think I'm not bothered about third parties since the casino  has to do some auditing before putting those games on their platform and since I trust whatever casino i decide to use, I have no reason to be worried over third party games.

If a reputable casino will audit every game from third party provider, Stake will not add these third party provider in the first place lol.

AFAIK Stake have added Yggdrasil and iSoftbet since the few years ago, but they realized something is wrong with these providers in this year. This mean if you're use Stake and you gamble on Yggdrasil's game, you're already get scammed since the games are rigged. This mean you need to check the provider reputation, not only relying to the casino reputation.

Other neglect to check the third party providers reputation since they are confident that such crazy things will not happen since they are playing on a reputable casino. Although this is valid thoughts but still we need to consider the third party provider reputation so that we can rely on that we are in better platform and they will not scam us if we decide to try out their games offered to us.

[Lida93]

. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

"Some irregularities", is he trying to say those particular games are not regularly played by gamblers as against what they initially expected before enrolling those games into their casino log.

Am no fan of slots games and there's nothing in gambling I love more than putting my penny on sport betting like football or basketball as their outcome hardly get tampered with and a lot of influence on its results seldom come to play unlike slot games in casinos.  The truth is, if you are having doubt on the trust system of a particular game you can always avoid it, and get on with slot providers you're cool with. Problem solved.

[serjent05]

. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

"Some irregularities", is he trying to say those particular games are not regularly played by gamblers as against what they initially expected before enrolling those games into their casino log.

I think that is not the case, when someone say irregularities, it means it does not meet the standard.  It is possible that the slots is giving player way more winnings that brings losses to the platform or it is possible that the slots may give the platform trouble because it does not follow its given terms of performance.

Am no fan of slots games and there's nothing in gambling I love more than putting my penny on sport betting like football or basketball as their outcome hardly get tampered with and a lot of influence on its results seldom come to play unlike slot games in casinos.  The truth is, if you are having doubt on the trust system of a particular game you can always avoid it, and get on with slot providers you're cool with. Problem solved.

True that but the trust does not put on the slot provider but rather on the platform where the provider is integrated.  A player never thinks of they play the slots because they trust the provider but rather they play on the platform whatever the game it offers because they trust the platform and not the game provider.