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May 09, 2023, 12:00:02 PM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

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May 09, 2023, 12:13:49 PM
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This is roulette, you can always wait for the market to roll back, there is a chance that things will get even worse. There is only risk and they are not afraid to lose everything they have invested. Many have lived for priceless, just not to go into the negative. No one will pay anything.
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May 09, 2023, 12:20:54 PM
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Bro promises from other people doesn't guarantee that would be accurate and sure. That's why it's not recommended to put money that you would be needing soon especially taking a loan in investment. There's always a risk it's true that stock market might increase and decrease in just period of time, so loss doesn't make you a loser and it's true that you could still recover by learning from your mistakes. Just know your timing when to enter and leave the market and always do your own analysis.

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May 09, 2023, 12:33:34 PM
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Remember, any kind of investment is always carrying a risk.

Investing in stock or precious metal you bought on a centralized site will always have a risk of centralization, it's either the business is shady, the site get hacked etc. Investing in physical precious metal has a risk of getting robbed because it's impossible to hide it from anyone else. If you invest in Bitcoin, you can avoid the risk I mentioned before, but it has a risk of lose access to your wallet or someone you trust are betray you.

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May 09, 2023, 12:40:24 PM
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Remember, any kind of investment is always carrying a risk.

Investing in stock or precious metal you bought on a centralized site will always have a risk of centralization, it's either the business is shady, the site get hacked etc. Investing in physical precious metal has a risk of getting robbed because it's impossible to hide it from anyone else. If you invest in Bitcoin, you can avoid the risk I mentioned before, but it has a risk of lose access to your wallet or someone you trust are betray you.

I think investing in BTC is much better as you could control your funds since it is decentralized system. Sure the volatility is still there but you could avoid these kinds of scenario where there's shady businesses, rug pull, or scam. If you already have the knowledge in investing in stock market why not try cryptocurrencies you could have your own decisions and calls. For you to avoid being betrayed just store your seedphrase somewhere safe or save it to your notes.
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May 09, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
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I think investing in BTC is much better as you could control your funds since it is decentralized system. Sure the volatility is still there but you could avoid these kinds of scenario where there's shady businesses, rug pull, or scam. If you already have the knowledge in investing in stock market why not try cryptocurrencies you could have your own decisions and calls. For you to avoid being betrayed just store your seedphrase somewhere safe or save it to your notes.
What's the point to discuss about volatility? do you think stock, gold, and other assets don't have any volatility? volatility is the reason why someone interested to invest rather than hold their fiat money which the value will always decrease.

What I mean about betrayed is you're tell how much your holdings, address, wallet and the place you stored your seed phrase. You have an option to not tell anyone else about it, in case you don't care if you will lose your coins if something bad happen to you. But I would choose to tell someone I trust rather than lose all of my coins which I accumulated from few years ago.

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May 09, 2023, 01:38:23 PM
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...there is a chance that things will get even worse...

Are you telling me, we are still not yet living hell? What could be worse? zombie attack coming?

...it is true that you could recover by learning from your mistakes...

So we finally have the chance to make money once and for all? And it is within our grab? Time to beat the bank?

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May 09, 2023, 01:52:43 PM
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...there is a chance that things will get even worse...

Are you telling me, we are still not yet living hell? What could be worse? zombie attack coming?

...it is true that you could recover by learning from your mistakes...

So we finally have the chance to make money once and for all? And it is within our grab? Time to beat the bank?

Zombie attack is possible  Cheesy

The world economy is in turmoil. BTC is deemed to be a hedge but if its also affected, all the more the stock market will be when all investors are at the mercy of the company's production. You can't expect to make profit while the major holders of bonds and shares are trading with inside information.


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The stock market won't make stable and passive income. Maybe in a bullish season and a growing world economy, these stocks will generate a lot of dividends and their value increases. But the market will never be consistent forever, it will have its own highs and lows.

I am not very good at assessing the global stock market, but in my country, I am losing hope that I might transfer them all in crypto this year or early next year before the bitcoin halving. Before, I keep on hearing from some local stock traders and investors in my country about the volatility of crypto. But now my stocks are in worse condition than bitcoin and the other top altcoins like ethereum.

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I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

Since a long time ago this brokerage business was quite evil. They promise all kinds of beautiful things to their customers just for profit. They make every effort to ensure that their clients keep investing, even when they lose money. Usually these brokers will say that the loss is reasonable because of market conditions and it will recover, even though their goal is only a percentage of each investment of their customers. In fact, what I hear is that the employees of this broker usually party or do luxury shopping when they get big investments from their clients, and that's quite normal in the brokerage business.

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May 09, 2023, 03:44:27 PM
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They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.
I don't blame some elderly people that lost money in stocks. They had to rely solely on brokers and financial advisers for investment advice. There was no internet when some of them invested in stocks, so they didn't have access to the kind of information the present generation have. Some of my teachers have died due to wrong financial advice that made them broke.

But relying on anybody for financial advice in this current era is a sign of laziness. There are diverse investment opportunities that anybody can discover through personal research. For those that have lost money, "sorry" and others that are seeking investment avenues  "do your research".

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I feel like this is attack towards stock market is not what we really need to do, I understand the logic but we shouldn't really go with that. I think it would be wiser if we could end up with something much bigger and better in the long run, it would be smarter if we could just focus on what we can do with getting similar to stock market instead.

Some people in the crypto world hate stock market, but that is a trillion dollar business, and if we could get just a bit similar to it, then we could be a much bigger market as well. Crypto is global, as in the whole world, and even with that we are still failing to beat just American stock markets, even Nasdaq is bigger than us all by itself. If we could be a bit more like that, we could grow and maybe pass that, maybe not be as big as the whole worlds stock markets combined, but at least be bigger than Nasdaq or Nyse.

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The crazy part about the stock market is every young guy thinks he is going to get in and trade himself a couple % in profits per day and be rich in a year. It just doesn’t work like that. Those people get bled dry. Unfortunately, it takes age and wisdom to see that being debt free and slowly building a portfolio of dependable companies or index funds is truly the way to reach financial freedom. Slow and steady…

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Stock market never promises a happy retirement and the other things you have mentioned in your thread. Rather stock market always says - "Investments are subject to market risk". What else can stock market do to be more fair?

Stock market is a long term game. I invest quite heavily into it and forgot the investments for next 10 years. Very moderately, I am sitting at around 20% net profit excluding the dividends which are another tax free source of income which I get every quarter. You just need to play it right to win the game!

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Promises are there to lure customers. They become invalidated with terms 'your investment is subject to market risks'. It's just bear market and such are also usual responses, even I myself see giving this response when I suggest some coin to friend and it collapses  Tongue

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It’s a cyclical thing: you buy some at the right time and you get out when you have enough. The problem is, if you’re not in the inner circles you probably won’t know what you’re doing half the time, and that could potentially lead you to losing a lot of money on stocks trading. That is how most of the other stock traders make money when the market is bad, by taking advantage of those who are not in the know and sell their garbage to them.

Stock trading obviously isn’t for everyone, but once you get the grasp of how the system works, and made connections in this world, better use that as a leverage to your trading journey.

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I've checked the US stock market index and S&P 500, and it doesn't seem to me that anything particularly bad is going on there. They're all a bit down, but just a tiny bit. In that case, it really depends on what exactly a person invested in, and whether that stock has a history of going up and down and then recovering again. I mean, maybe the problem is that someone was simply scammed, or invested in something very bad and risky. The promises the op mentions certainly sound like a part of a scam. I'm sorry for the loss, but I don't know what can be done in a particular situation because there aren't any details. But if it's a sure loss and there's no way of getting any of that money back, I think it's best to move on, learn to be more careful, and remember that money isn't everything.

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The stock market is one of the ways in which you invest your surplus money and without dividing those investments, you will inevitably lose your money at one point or another. Therefore, whatever the stockbroker promises, you must diversify your investments in sectors that are not affected by each other or adversely affected, such as Gold/USD pair or USD/Real estate pair, and therefore not Your investment portfolio must contain Gold, USD, foreign currencies, Real estate, Stocks and any intermediary investments.


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You cant always take someone's word for it because the person that will be taking the real risk and losing money is you and not that third party! Besides the game of investing  requires you do your own due diligence before you commit  resources to such projects...and fyi proper risk management is required here if you dont want to lose everything in one shot.

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This is roulette, you can always wait for the market to roll back, there is a chance that things will get even worse. There is only risk and they are not afraid to lose everything they have invested. Many have lived for priceless, just not to go into the negative. No one will pay anything.

It's true that all investments come with a certain level of risk, and it's important to understand and manage that risk to protect your financial well-being. It's also important to understand that investing is not the same as gambling, as investing involves making informed decisions based on research, analysis, and a long-term strategy.
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The crazy part about the stock market is every young guy thinks he is going to get in and trade himself a couple % in profits per day and be rich in a year. It just doesn’t work like that. Those people get bled dry. Unfortunately, it takes age and wisdom to see that being debt free and slowly building a portfolio of dependable companies or index funds is truly the way to reach financial freedom. Slow and steady…
This is what most young generations believe when they first enter stock market not knowing they will not only need  experience, they also need patience and a lot of study in order to build their own portfolio. The problem about this is that, there are some who only initiates recommendation towards new investors but won't bother to teach them what is actually needed but instead, they will teach them unnecessary information or worse is that they will teach them or encourage them to invest what their mentors were investing, the same as what happened on crypto industry.

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Many times retail investors invest in stock market without proper information. Investing money without understanding the stock market is the biggest mistake because they lose more money. Stock markets are volatile in the short term but in the long term they offer low risk and overall returns. Holding stocks for a long period of time is more likely to give you extraordinary returns. Hence, it is better to invest in stocks with a long-term view rather than a short-term view. It is a good idea to lock in money that you will not need in the near future. Thus if you sell stocks when the price is low you may lose money in the beginning but see the stocks over the years.

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Really why I hate stock brokers in general. To me they are all licensed scammers, legally allowed to steal money from you while you toil away until you die because what they're doing is apparently good for the economy. I wouldn't let them near my money if my life depended on it. As for the people that lost their money to these brokers, it is indeed true that the market is cyclical and there will be times when the market will be merciful to you and your investment. But make no mistake. As soon as you see the opportunity to liquidate your assets and jumpship from your stock holdings that they invest for you, do it. You can always invest in stocks on your own without their "expert guidance" anyway. So cut the middleman, learn the charts, and invest on it yourself.
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
One of the most basic things we must do when buying something is to never rely 100% on the opinion of the ones that are selling us something, it is obvious they are always going to promote their product as being the very best and even if it is not then they will claim that soon enough everything will fix itself, the truth is that most of the money flows from the poorer to the richer, this is the model that has been the dominant one for the past decades, so anyone thinking they can use the stock market to increase their retirement fund will receive a nasty surprise when they finally discover this is not going to be the case and that their money is now on the pockets of the richest persons around the world.

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There are risks in every investment. I think it is wrong to invest without your knowledge, especially with the suggestions of others. One should develop oneself and invest slowly and steadily. Investments made by taking out loans generally yielded poor results. The dream of getting rich quick misleads everyone. Especially when investing, risks should be calculated and acted accordingly. The situation of reaching the things such as house and car mentioned in the subject does not usually occur. Because there are many stages when investing. One of these stages is risks.

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Really why I hate stock brokers in general. To me they are all licensed scammers, legally allowed to steal money from you while you toil away until you die because what they're doing is apparently good for the economy. I wouldn't let them near my money if my life depended on it. As for the people that lost their money to these brokers, it is indeed true that the market is cyclical and there will be times when the market will be merciful to you and your investment. But make no mistake. As soon as you see the opportunity to liquidate your assets and jumpship from your stock holdings that they invest for you, do it. You can always invest in stocks on your own without their "expert guidance" anyway. So cut the middleman, learn the charts, and invest on it yourself.
I would say "hate" is a strong word considering what they do, but I agree that they are definitely shady and doing something terrible. Like regardless if you win or lose money, they win money and that is why they keep churning away their profit machine. They can help you buy whatever, all of your money could be gone, all of your life's work could be gone, and they end up with their profit one way or another.

Just one regulation would solve this all, in no trade they could make a profit from you buying anything, zero money for buying something, they could only profit if you sell and make a profit. They will pressure you to sell at that point, so if the price keeps going up within first month of you selling, then they forfeit their profit as well. So they only make profit if you buy something and sell it and it goes down. See if they still want to do that job.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

What else can you do than to take heart and make sure that you avoid any tendencies of reoccurrence, dealing with digital currency has it advantages and disadvantages ad when it comes like this, we have to embrace it as our fate provided that the person involved is not careless or only knows little about stock marketing experience, we have most of the consequences we received to be attributed to our own shortfalls from our inability to identify them before striking, though it's a thing of profit or loss but we shouldn't accept opting in for the losses at all time than we gain in stock market.

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May 11, 2023, 11:49:25 AM
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The stock market doesn't promise anyone to make a profit in the future. It's too risky, and you need to play the game well to succeed. Any promises of guaranteed profits from the stock market are fake, and I hope no one believes them.

Any investment you make in the stock market carries a significant risk and a person need to take control of the situation, be patient, and make wise choices. I believe there's no passive or stable income from the stock market, and that's unlikely to change in the future. It all depends on the market itself. If the world economy grows, then stock values will increase, but if it doesn't then you'll lose money. It's as simple as that
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

Whenever I come across posts on social media about Forex profits and how it has transformed ordinary individuals into millionaires with lavish lifestyles, I can't help but laugh. I find it hard to believe that your friends were so easily swayed to invest borrowed money into a broker. Personally, I have yet to encounter a real-life Forex trader who flaunts their wealth. It seems that these individuals who constantly boast about their earnings and showcase their extravagant possessions are predominantly found on social media, it's peculiar how even crypto scammers, who engage in fraudulent activities, don't exhibit such overt displays of wealth.

If the broker initiated a position without requiring a margin, there is a chance that they might be able to recover the money, but only if the market rebounds. However, if it was a margin trade, your friends should accept the loss outcome, prioritize repaying the loan through any means possible, and attempt to seek reimbursement from the person responsible. If their efforts to reclaim the funds are unsuccessful, it would be wise for them to move on because I doubt if the authorities would intervene in such cases, and pursuing legal action may prove difficult. This will also serve as a lesson for your friends, that attempting to take shortcuts in life often leads to big losses.

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I think as investors, of course we must be smart, never invest or enter the stock market but we don't know anything, the presence of the internet certainly makes any information easily we get, as long as we are actively searching, we will definitely meet, this certainly makes all business offers or investments make We must always be realistic.
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When someone tells you those kinds of promises, you should start doubting already. They can't promise something they aren't sure about. I know it's their job to get more people to invest but in investing, nothing is sure in the future. It's not a guarantee that you'll achieve all those luxurious things they would say. I'm not against the stock market, it's still a good investment but you need to invest in those promising stocks.

Also, another thing, do not invest money that is too much for you. Don't invest the money you loaned cause it's not a guarantee you'd get profit, so how will you be able to pay your debt? Only invest what you can afford to lose, and if you have extra funds. If you're going to invest in the stock market, you should analyze the business or the company if you think they'll be able to thrive in the future and would survive for a long term.
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When someone tells you those kinds of promises, you should start doubting already. They can't promise something they aren't sure about. I know it's their job to get more people to invest but in investing, nothing is sure in the future. It's not a guarantee that you'll achieve all those luxurious things they would say. I'm not against the stock market, it's still a good investment but you need to invest in those promising stocks.


There is something that come with experience. Inexperience people make this kind of mistake to believe everything told. This is a reason for job seekers get to require some experience before they get the job they are looking for. As a new investor you can fall for all the sweet promise to get rich for even a little money invested. A lesson is that stock market investment is not the type to rush into for fast car, fast house like op is saying, you will give a long time to expect the stock to increase to good price and sell, you can invest for five years and above for it to grow and keeping the stock certificate away will help reduce tempted to sell.
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By just reading the first part, it's already shady that in investment everyone should be aware of that there's no guaranteed returns.

And if there's an investment that guarantees you a percentage or returns or greatly promises then you're actually going to see your own downfall there.

No refunds with that and it's either the broker took the money and ran away or he's actually saying true thing but no guarantees that the stocks that he has invested in will come back later. Don't get blinded by those words of professional traders as they say, no one can be better than the market.



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May 11, 2023, 10:58:22 PM
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I think there is no wrong in investing in stocks as long as the market is legal and legit.  I agree that often times market is cyclical just like the Bitcoin market where we often see the ups and downs of its prizes, long series of downtrend and eventually some sideways before breaking out to record series of uptrend.

We have our own opinion about the market but we cannot have a successful argument against a successful trader, he will always give a sound advise and answer to our question.  We have indeed our own opinion but it does not mean that we are always correct @OP.

By just reading the first part, it's already shady that in investment everyone should be aware of that there's no guaranteed returns.

True that but we have an option to make our investment to have a fruitful venture.  We just need to study and learn the left and rights of that venture so that we can do right assessments  and precautionary measure while we are on the venture.

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And if there's an investment that guarantees you a percentage or returns or greatly promises then you're actually going to see your own downfall there.

There are some legit businesses that offers fixed reasonable monthly interest but those that promised the sky will surely fall under scams and ponzi schemes.

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As we know that the stock market is an investment that looks very promising, stock marketing usually carries out massive campaigns and looks very professional so that it promises big profits for investors, of course this can tempt anyone to enter the stock market, but we must be vigilant because the stock market is also a high risk investment, i have a friend who loses more than 50% of his money within a month.


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May 12, 2023, 02:08:47 AM
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When someone decides to invest or trade, he must realize that the money can be lost there and never come back. But they also have the opportunity to make a profit so if they can buy at a low price, it is a delayed profit.

They must know that every investment has a risk so they need to know how to deal with the risk so that it doesn't become big. But most people will never want to know the risks because they are already lulled by the benefits they can get.

And it has happened to many people, so they lose their money in investing. Now is a good time to start investing but we should analyze before deciding. And always remember that you only use the money you can afford so that if you experience a loss, your loss will not be big.

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Remember, any kind of investment is always carrying a risk.

Investing in stock or precious metal you bought on a centralized site will always have a risk of centralization, it's either the business is shady, the site get hacked etc. Investing in physical precious metal has a risk of getting robbed because it's impossible to hide it from anyone else. If you invest in Bitcoin, you can avoid the risk I mentioned before, but it has a risk of lose access to your wallet or someone you trust are betray you.

It is true that stock investment is centralized, but it has existed for hundreds of years, it cannot be said to be a shady business. I know we are on the bitcoin forum, bitcoin has the upper hand here, but there is no need to vilify other financial markets because they exist before us and are many times bigger than us. Everything is risky, there is no such thing as low risk and high return, if there is I am 100% sure it is a scam.
Apart from the risk of losing wallet access when investing in bitcoin, we can't be sure about the future of bitcoin, it can't be safer than gold, that's for sure.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund?

Nothing because the scenario you paint is simply false. No one guarantees you anything when investing in the stock market, today with the information that is available you are responsible for your decision making.

If someone has lost all his money in the stock market is that he is quite stupid to be honest, because it means that he has not followed the basic principles of investment, such as diversifying, and has bet everything on a fancy low cap company like the one who bets everything on a fancy shitcoin.

On the other hand, many people who complain about how much the stock market has gone down are not complaining about how much it has gone up. I have been investing in the S&P 500 for 10 to 15 years. Last year my investment went down, but the total return since I started investing is clearly positive, and that the doomsayers and whiners don't usually tell.

So whoever loses money in the stock market, well, tough shit.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market
A simple way to avoid losing money in the stock market is by not believing in promises of big returns, every investment has a level of risk and there is no stable return term.

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.
I don't mean to say it's the same as a ponzi scheme, but when the sales they offer don't live up to expectations and too many promises are offered like retirement, stable income, big profits etc as you mentioned it's almost the same as a ponzi scheme. How is it possible that the stock market can provide stable income and big profits every time because talking about volatility no one can guarantee, so it is almost certain that the offers they give do not make sense

It's best to try to do manual trading using a separate pattern, now access to investing in crypto and bitcoin is so easy for everyone to run and you don't need to follow a scenario with lots of agreements at the beginning like you told me. Remember some important advice in investing anywhere, there is no term stable returns and get rich quick, because everything needs a process to reach that stage.

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May 12, 2023, 04:07:15 AM
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But you know that is not advisable to use loan to purchase Bitcoin no matter how hurry you are in the market than to work hard to save money that will help you to buy and hold for the right time to come to make a good profits from the market. Giving up in crypto investment is not good, I will advise them not to give up than to continue trying because something good will surely happen soon that will help them to recover all their losses and also share their experience with other investors. Now that the price of Bitcoin has decreased, it will be favourable for such guys to buy Bitcoin from the market so that they will have full confident of be among the investors that will achieve income that will change their story for good.

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Well people did make lots of money in the stock market just not in 2022. Look how many people from the wallstreetbets made huge gains by buying calls for Gamespot and AMC. However the party ended after the fed started to raise rates.

Right now there are a handful of stocks keeping the sp500 up. Once they get bad earnings then we can expect a larger correction. With the debt ceiling issues and inflation issues. It’s a very risky market to predict what will happen in the near future.

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The world economy are on the brink of a Depression, so people working for a commission will hide the truth about the state of the global economy. We are also faced with a very real threat of a World War III.... with the tension building between North Korea / Russia / China and the West.

The Stock brokers and the financial advisors does not have crystal balls that are telling them what the future will bring, they rely on historical charts and statistics that might never repeat those cycles again.... or for a very long time.   

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Most people are too ambitious to get big profits so they choose high risk types of investments such as the stock market, as we know that the stock market is also very volatile, in my country if stocks drop almost 100% in a few days it will be frozen immediately and this creates a situation is becoming increasingly difficult because it is difficult for shareholders to sell and waiting for new investors to be able to pump again.


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May 12, 2023, 01:01:30 PM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
What they did is that these promotors, brokers, and influencers make a deal and promise a bright future after investing. A person who hears this will simply say amazing, I have to invest...Later part, when you are asking what happen, you can never see and talk to them anymore. Very unfortunate when we are investing in something that we don't have any idea about and it was too difficult to blame others when in the first place we don't even bother to study the market before deciding.
We have to move on and make this a lesson and reference in the future, that is the only thing we can do OP.

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May 12, 2023, 01:32:50 PM
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There is always a danger associated with investing in stocks or precious metals purchased from a centralized site; for example, the company may be unscrupulous or the website may have been hacked. Because it's impossible to keep tangible precious metal hidden from others, investing in it carries the danger of being robbed. Aside from the risk I previously highlighted, investing in bitcoin has the chance of losing access to your wallet or having a trusted person turn on you.
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Sweet words won't mean a thing unless proven. Ofcourse brokers would say things to convince you because it will be profit in an instant. With regards to the idea such that if you've lost much in stock market, then try taking a pause and realize what have you done wrong. Problem for years is that people engage with investments they don't know nothing about, trusting "professionals". Regardless if you are dealing with experienced individuals, you should still know what you are dealing yourself with in order for you to have your own opinion whether to continue or not. Stock market has its own risk. Relying or depending all of your investment to ither people won't do you good in any case. It would be much better to study things before continuing into it.

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There isn't any. if it loses it should be part of our readiness as stock investors. they will not guarantee that our money will return if what we invest is suddenly lost or rugpull. we can only accept it and learn again to be really careful in choosing projects to invest.

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forget it. because it is a consequence of stock investment. who guarantees the stock we invest will be successful? before entering here we have done research on what things we should and should not do and the risks. it is the first step of any investment. stocks are not much different from crypto, they will definitely have advantages and disadvantages, so be wise in choosing which stock projects you really invest in, it will affect your assets in the future.

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May 12, 2023, 05:18:30 PM
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By just reading the first part, it's already shady that in investment everyone should be aware of that there's no guaranteed returns.

And if there's an investment that guarantees you a percentage or returns or greatly promises then you're actually going to see your own downfall there.

No refunds with that and it's either the broker took the money and ran away or he's actually saying true thing but no guarantees that the stocks that he has invested in will come back later. Don't get blinded by those words of professional traders as they say, no one can be better than the market.
I think the fact that stock market is filled with people who lost their entire savings is proof enough, we do not really need any more extra proof on top of that. I think it is very important to see that we are in a world where it is going to suck for a long time if we keep trusting people who keep saying they will make us rich. No person who tells you that they can make you rich, could make you rich it is just that simple.

If it was that much simple to get rich then they would get rich themselves, if I knew a guaranteed method to make me rich, I would sell everything, my house, my car, my pc, my shoes, even my clothes, I would own nothing at all and sell everything and invest. They don't, they use your money, and tell you that there might be risk after saying 100 things that is basically telling you guaranteed to make money.
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May 12, 2023, 06:05:17 PM
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They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund?

I'm an advocate in people diversifying retirement portfolios with index/mutual funds instead of keeping their entire in a single asset. That being said, it's not going to make you "rich." It's meant to act as a safety net and grow your net worth as cash sitting in a bank account will decay in value. I've seen too many young/naive investors start putting large amount into stocks thinking it's the secret to accruing wealth. Doesn't work that way.

The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

He's right that the market enters cycles so you shouldn't sell for a loss in a bear market. If you're trying to game the market into retiring young and rich, that's not investing. That's more akin to gambling. Get a new broker. Your broker sounds a bit dodgy with the half truths he's telling.
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May 12, 2023, 07:06:37 PM
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You can't convince a stockbroker who has been in the market and knows how things go, this is just like for people in crypto, and with the trends we have now, you are now preaching to me because of volatility issues with Bitcoin. The stock broker has their days of victory likewise the others because I have seen people who made it though stock also.

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May 12, 2023, 07:14:16 PM
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Well one thing is sure, your broker is trying to motivate you but he is not being very straight wait you. If the market is dropped then it’s dropped and there are multiple theories about every stock in the market. It may come back, it may not come back and it may back after such long period of time that we would exhaust and sell it anyways.

This is the whole reason why everyone who is trading should trade on multiple stocks or share holdings. It should be diversified in such way that you get:

1. Security of the funds at least from 3-4 stocks you holding
2. Balance out your loss and profit amongst the multiple assets
3. Increase the odds of profiting with the time.

I couldn’t agree more on what has been written in the OP because it how the market really works. There is literally no guarantee without a risk.
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The most important thing when you lose money whether in the stock market or crypto or any other financial products is to learn from it and use the lessons to your advantage but greed will not make people use these lessons to their advantage. I lost a lot in the stock market before I found Crypto and later decide that it is not for me, the reason is that the ease of getting in and out of trade in Crypto is swift, I don't need any broker to buy or sell or help fund my account all these steps I can do it myself. Since all market moves in Cycle, the best thing to do is wait for the pendulum to swing in your direction and flow with the tide until everything stops again


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May 12, 2023, 07:47:15 PM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

You don't lose anything unless you sell your losing positions. Back in 2020, 2018 and 2008 the markets crashed too and it always recovered. This time isn't going to be an exception. If you haven't sold when you were in the green then it doesn't make any sense to sell now while you are in the red. As of now, I have some losing positions and I have some winning positions. I am fine with all of my positions in the markets because I am not interested in the price. I am interested in the company. If it is a good company, then I hold. If not, I sell. It is that simple.

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May 12, 2023, 07:56:29 PM
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The most important thing when you lose money whether in the stock market or crypto or any other financial products is to learn from it and use the lessons to your advantage but greed will not make people use these lessons to their advantage. I lost a lot in the stock market before I found Crypto and later decide that it is not for me, the reason is that the ease of getting in and out of trade in Crypto is swift, I don't need any broker to buy or sell or help fund my account all these steps I can do it myself. Since all market moves in Cycle, the best thing to do is wait for the pendulum to swing in your direction and flow with the tide until everything stops again
But the frustrating side here is that those owners of money that have been invested, didn't lose it with their bare hands but with someone's hands. There goes the potential mismanagement of the fund and this is what people must avoid if they can't take the result of it because you'll never know how it's going to be. Yes, there are cycles and whatnot and if I'm reading it correctly with the response of the guy, that's not acceptable. Upon telling that everybody makes shady business, that's something that he shouldn't say because the thought of people that have lost money is upon him that probably did actual shady thing with their money.

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May 12, 2023, 08:46:10 PM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan.
Most of these stock brokers are just like the influencer marketer that paid to hype a meme coin and they will always say beautiful things just to get the attention of investors for the fee or commission they are going to earn.

Are they gonna get a refund?
Investors getting a refund after investing in a stock and their money has disappeared into thin air? Who is going to pay the refund? This is investment buddy and people are always advised to invest the money they can afford to lose.

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May 12, 2023, 08:47:38 PM
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Well one thing is sure, your broker is trying to motivate you but he is not being very straight wait you. If the market is dropped then it’s dropped and there are multiple theories about every stock in the market. It may come back, it may not come back and it may back after such long period of time that we would exhaust and sell it anyways.

They've got these promising words to make you motivate and invest in the stock market but never tell you the risk that awaits them. A thing that I hate much because if they are really helping people to grow, they must also warn them but guess what, these brokers say nothing, and what they did are just making you feel that this will help you reach your dream.

Of course, those who have experience or have knowledge already about the stock market know what will happen and the risk here. But innocent people and newcomers, they'll not be thinking about it considering how these brokers convince them.

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The stock market will never be about you making profits every day, every week, every month, or even for an entire year. It is just the avid belief of an addict with the desire to become rich thanks to this market. Unfortunately, the real market is not as easy to make money in as you think. Being in this market requires knowledge, experience, and a deep understanding of market dynamics. In addition, you need to have a long-term mindset, and then you will be able to master yourself in this market.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

You are absolutely right, broker is snake oil. It is very big mistake for anyone who comes under this promise trap of broker. We can't always rely on someone for what should I do, should I take risk? should I invest or not? If you have enough knowledge about it, you have done well research before invest in stock then you always stay away from all this promised, and advice of the broker because promises are just medium to attract to those  customers who is already inexperience and who want to become millionaire or billionaire is short term.
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
Normally, stock market losers cannot receive a refund unless the loss was caused by fraudulent or illegal operation. Another thing that can provide investors refund is if the stock were covered by insurance.
Investments are inherently risky just like cryptocurrency, and investors must be ready to accept losses if the market doesn't perform as anticipated.
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

If you catch the stock market on the rise, you will make a profit, but the reverse is also the case. You are trading on the stock market because you accept this. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. What matters is how you act in your next move. In every market where there is risk, this is what you experience. That's why you can lose while someone else wins. This is a normal case.
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
When it comes to investment which you do particularly talks about stocks then it wont really be that having the assurance.Yes,you can buy now since they are cheap, but do you really know on what stocks or whatsoever would really be having a comeback. Until when? Its too shit that you would or someone do make out some guarantees about market cycle or having assurances that it would come back.
There's no way on knowing even if stock market is really that having some pump or increase on market.

This is why on the time that you would be putting up money into market or whatever market you are dealing with then always be mindful about that certain risks. You couldnt ensure about profitability or
having that in mind on assuring that you would be having a bright future because thats not how the market works. It doesnt really give out any assurance that you would succeed.
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Investing in the stock market is like investing in anything else. When it comes to investing in the stock market if you are not prepared to accept the possible losses then you should risk your money. Take the time to investigate on how the stock market works and when is a good time to invest.
If you are worried about losing money and think it can be very bad, then investing in the stock market is not for you. You must accept the risk that you are taking when getting into the stock market.
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

If you catch the stock market on the rise, you will make a profit, but the reverse is also the case. You are trading on the stock market because you accept this. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. What matters is how you act in your next move. In every market where there is risk, this is what you experience. That's why you can lose while someone else wins. This is a normal case.
What to do with someone who looses in stock market,  I guess give him some awareness and knowledge of stocks and the possibilities of stock market like when its up or down and when to invest .
Stock market Is the most risky market and if you are investing in stocks make sure you know where you stand .

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Investing in the stock market is like investing in anything else. When it comes to investing in the stock market if you are not prepared to accept the possible losses then you should risk your money. Take the time to investigate on how the stock market works and when is a good time to invest.
If you are worried about losing money and think it can be very bad, then investing in the stock market is not for you. You must accept the risk that you are taking when getting into the stock market.
It is like Bitcoin where it can be 'bullish' and 'bearish' so be prepared and take the time to consult a stock broker or financial adviser.
And this is where most investors fail, while it is comprehensible that people want to earn money when they enter the stock market, otherwise there is not really any incentive to invest our money there to begin with, people need to accept the fact losing their money is not only a reality but a very likely outcome, and this is because if they use a stock broker to invest on their place then the fees they will pay will destroy any chances of becoming profitable, and if they trade on their own the chances of losing all their capital go up dramatically.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

Why would they get a refund? It isn't "if you win you make multiple times your money back, if you lose you get to walk away with your money". No. The stock market is about risk and a proper investor goes into it with their eyes wide open. They understand that a small company could make them a lot of money if it grows fast, but many fail along the way and end up losing everything. If you choose a medium to large size company then the risk decreases, but you might be lucky to get a dividend payout - your return on investment - at maybe 4% per year. You should either stick with a low fee and wide range index fund, or you need to put lots of effort in to learn how to assess companies before you buy shares in them.

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May 17, 2023, 10:19:01 PM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

Why would they get a refund? It isn't "if you win you make multiple times your money back, if you lose you get to walk away with your money". No. The stock market is about risk and a proper investor goes into it with their eyes wide open. They understand that a small company could make them a lot of money if it grows fast, but many fail along the way and end up losing everything. If you choose a medium to large size company then the risk decreases, but you might be lucky to get a dividend payout - your return on investment - at maybe 4% per year. You should either stick with a low fee and wide range index fund, or you need to put lots of effort in to learn how to assess companies before you buy shares in them.
4% a year seems to be standard or something attainable considering that most of them would really be going over those numbers but the question is, which one? With all the companies that existing in todays market
then choosing on which or where you would be investing is really that pain in the ass type of situation. You cant really be sure if this one would be giving out that positive outcome in the end of the line
or would really be just ending up for you to hold up to decade?  Cheesy

For people who do mind off about stock investing then they should really be thinking up long term.Its true that this isnt a childs play on which if ever you would lose money you would really be getting some refund.
This isnt part of the basic principle on how to trade up with the markets. There are really just that people who do want to play safe but it cant really be just that possible because this isnt how things works.
You would be needing to take up that particular risks for you to be able on having the chance to earn but of course you should be mindful about the risks involved.

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Money Markets are inherently unstable, and losses are a natural part of the investment process. If a person loses money in the stock market the first step is to take a step back and assess their financial situation and if the percentages calculated are losing more than the gains even if they survive in the current and normal as it is if I'm not mistaken.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
Its authority has full control over the stock market. Moreover, those who are big businessmen can exert influence in different ways, although ordinary investors do not have that opportunity. Again it is true that the market is not always stable. But in countries where corruption is high, nothing good can be expected from the stock market of those countries. Because they can take different decisions there according to their wishes. From this point of view I think crypto is a great platform for those who dream big. Crypto is doing better than any other stock market in the world. Where an investor is able to change the standard of living within a short span of time.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

In like you don't have anything negative to say in anyone who invested and loss the money, the only advice you can give to the person is to  tell the person to be observant and also take precautions in any business they are doing, so losing of money is real because of miscalculation and wrong investment actually because sometimes I believe that when you invest and observe disadvantage in your investment you will know when to overcome issues that is attached to it.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
Its authority has full control over the stock market. Moreover, those who are big businessmen can exert influence in different ways, although ordinary investors do not have that opportunity. Again it is true that the market is not always stable. But in countries where corruption is high, nothing good can be expected from the stock market of those countries. Because they can take different decisions there according to their wishes. From this point of view I think crypto is a great platform for those who dream big. Crypto is doing better than any other stock market in the world. Where an investor is able to change the standard of living within a short span of time.
this is different, what you said is true that in Crypto you can get big profits in a short time and can even change someone's life but so are the risks that will be faced, it's quite worth it.
the stock market and the Crypto market are actually the same, it's just that the price movements and possibilities are different, both places have the same risk of loss but how we respond is something that can turn things around.
I've lost money in both places, stock and Crypto market but I didn't stop, because the loss let me know the space for me to try better to take profit.



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From this point of view I think crypto is a great platform for those who dream big. Crypto is doing better than any other stock market in the world. Where an investor is able to change the standard of living within a short span of time.
All are financial markets and have certain risks, no market is better than the other. To be fair, the crypto market is much more profitable but much riskier than the stock market, and scams in crypto are many times more common than in other financial markets. Not to mention that any authority does not regulate cryptocurrencies, so scams hardly decrease but will increase over time.

There are people who like to take risks, like freedom, like to get rich quickly, and who will look to cryptocurrencies, but there are also people who do not like those features, so they prefer to stay with stocks. In general, both have advantages and disadvantages.

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You make stock as your retirement plan without a proper plan seems ironic; we know how store works still. You must know what are the next price movement in the market and don't just stick the investment in a single pot. Always make sure to have a backup plan beside with your investment, clearly ideal to create an asset to make yourself have a good cashflows with your savings and not just sleepy holding assets. If you manage to know what are the ideal market there's a chance you prevent losses or if you watch the price movement with the Technical analysis to prevent those debt get more tragedy.

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There are people who like to take risks, like freedom, like to get rich quickly, and who will look to cryptocurrencies, but there are also people who do not like those features, so they prefer to stay with stocks. In general, both have advantages and disadvantages.
Freedom and wealth are difficult to compare with high risk in the cryptocurrency market. Wealth can give us freedom, but high risk can deprive us of funds, this is especially true in the cryptocurrency market. Depending on what you invest in, it will also increase or decrease the possible risks, since bitcoin can be a more reliable investment, although it can bring less profit, and altcoins can bring more profit, but there are also risks of losing everything.

Precisely because I think about the time when I want to achieve financial independence, I choose more reliable investments, let it bring less profit, or let it take me longer to go there, but I try to reduce risks in order to secure my investments as much as possible.
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Money Markets are inherently unstable, and losses are a natural part of the investment process. If a person loses money in the stock market the first step is to take a step back and assess their financial situation and if the percentages calculated are losing more than the gains even if they survive in the current and normal as it is if I'm not mistaken.
That has to be done but unfortunately, many don't take a step back but instead use more money because they think and calculate that the capital they use is not enough. And that finally makes them lose again, but if they realize it, it's a valuable lesson they should avoid. And they have to keep learning more to be successful in anything, especially when it comes to stock trading, which is always changing.
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You make stock as your retirement plan without a proper plan seems ironic; we know how store works still. You must know what are the next price movement in the market and don't just stick the investment in a single pot. Always make sure to have a backup plan beside with your investment, clearly ideal to create an asset to make yourself have a good cashflows with your savings and not just sleepy holding assets. If you manage to know what are the ideal market there's a chance you prevent losses or if you watch the price movement with the Technical analysis to prevent those debt get more tragedy.

Indeed. Retirement funds should remain diversified and not just into stocks. It just sucks when we hear people losing a lot of their lifetime and retirement funds into stocks wherein they went all in.

Not all are interested in learning deeper technical skills but somehow investors should check it for history and trend purposes at least. In my country, a lot of people invested in stocks thru investment firms which actually sucks IMO since they just usually scatter the funds to blue chip companies which makes their fees and profit sharing not worth it especially when these stocks are slowly moving.

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The best thing when we have a friend who loses in the stock market is to give an understanding that the life of this world was designed before the creation of heaven and earth, many people are too depressed when they get bad things, of course we have to do the best things in life but if we get bad things then all you have to do is be patient and learn a lesson.

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Money Markets are inherently unstable, and losses are a natural part of the investment process. If a person loses money in the stock market the first step is to take a step back and assess their financial situation and if the percentages calculated are losing more than the gains even if they survive in the current and normal as it is if I'm not mistaken.

You cant evade losses in stock market because that is natural with it , if someone losses , someone also winning or earning profit from it . If at the very first if you just set a specific budget on what you need to invest and not putting it all then you wont lose all of your money just always think that you should investing what you can afford to lose and also every mistake that happen to you or youve done you should reflect and learn from it so that you wont commiting those mistakes again
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That’s funny and that’s serious, both at the same time. It’s funny because you mentioned couple of things about broker. They are making the claims about “Stock market coming back” because they want you to be involved with them for very long period of time. Secondly it’s serious because it may or may not which makes it highly uncertain market. Brokers are making money on your losses and on your profits too because they always have that fixed commission fee for trading on behalf of you. Further to this they will always be positive about the market because that’s their job and they won’t get paid if investor like you and me aren’t happy. So that’s the grim reality of it and let’s deal with it.
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Money Markets are inherently unstable, and losses are a natural part of the investment process. If a person loses money in the stock market the first step is to take a step back and assess their financial situation and if the percentages calculated are losing more than the gains even if they survive in the current and normal as it is if I'm not mistaken.

You cant evade losses in stock market because that is natural with it , if someone losses , someone also winning or earning profit from it . If at the very first if you just set a specific budget on what you need to invest and not putting it all then you wont lose all of your money just always think that you should investing what you can afford to lose and also every mistake that happen to you or youve done you should reflect and learn from it so that you wont commiting those mistakes again

Not only the stock market but all financial markets work like that, including crypto, the market is a battleground, and losses are part of the market. When someone wins, it means that one or more people are losing. And to put it bluntly, finance will be almost like gambling because there will be winners and losers, there is no win-win.

Of course, everyone wants to win and profit when investing. But I think we should be ready to accept defeat as the first thing to do when starting because there is no guarantee that we will only win without losing. Only then, when we lose, we will not be confused and discouraged. Honestly, when investing, I always think I will lose and prepare mentally, I never put myself in a position to win, even when I have made a profit, but I just think I am lucky.

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Money Markets are inherently unstable, and losses are a natural part of the investment process. If a person loses money in the stock market the first step is to take a step back and assess their financial situation and if the percentages calculated are losing more than the gains even if they survive in the current and normal as it is if I'm not mistaken.

You cant evade losses in stock market because that is natural with it , if someone losses , someone also winning or earning profit from it . If at the very first if you just set a specific budget on what you need to invest and not putting it all then you wont lose all of your money just always think that you should investing what you can afford to lose and also every mistake that happen to you or youve done you should reflect and learn from it so that you wont commiting those mistakes again

Not only the stock market but all financial markets work like that, including crypto, the market is a battleground, and losses are part of the market. When someone wins, it means that one or more people are losing. And to put it bluntly, finance will be almost like gambling because there will be winners and losers, there is no win-win.

Of course, everyone wants to win and profit when investing. But I think we should be ready to accept defeat as the first thing to do when starting because there is no guarantee that we will only win without losing. Only then, when we lose, we will not be confused and discouraged. Honestly, when investing, I always think I will lose and prepare mentally, I never put myself in a position to win, even when I have made a profit, but I just think I am lucky.
preparing yourself not to think about winning is a good thing, where in investment there is no certainty when and to what extent the market will move. so we have to be prepared to hold on in the long term. especially in cryptocurrencies, for example, we invest in bitcoin, of course, at the beginning we have to be brave to take the risk of holding it for an unknown period of time, if our psychology is ingrained like that, it will be easy to keep holding it until we don't suffer losses because we sell below the price when we bought it, we will but many people are frightened because the price continues to fall so they decide to make a sale

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Money Markets are inherently unstable, and losses are a natural part of the investment process. If a person loses money in the stock market the first step is to take a step back and assess their financial situation and if the percentages calculated are losing more than the gains even if they survive in the current and normal as it is if I'm not mistaken.

You cant evade losses in stock market because that is natural with it , if someone losses , someone also winning or earning profit from it . If at the very first if you just set a specific budget on what you need to invest and not putting it all then you wont lose all of your money just always think that you should investing what you can afford to lose and also every mistake that happen to you or youve done you should reflect and learn from it so that you wont commiting those mistakes again

Not only the stock market but all financial markets work like that, including crypto, the market is a battleground, and losses are part of the market. When someone wins, it means that one or more people are losing. And to put it bluntly, finance will be almost like gambling because there will be winners and losers, there is no win-win.

Of course, everyone wants to win and profit when investing. But I think we should be ready to accept defeat as the first thing to do when starting because there is no guarantee that we will only win without losing. Only then, when we lose, we will not be confused and discouraged. Honestly, when investing, I always think I will lose and prepare mentally, I never put myself in a position to win, even when I have made a profit, but I just think I am lucky.
preparing yourself not to think about winning is a good thing, where in investment there is no certainty when and to what extent the market will move. so we have to be prepared to hold on in the long term. especially in cryptocurrencies, for example, we invest in bitcoin, of course, at the beginning we have to be brave to take the risk of holding it for an unknown period of time, if our psychology is ingrained like that, it will be easy to keep holding it until we don't suffer losses because we sell below the price when we bought it, we will but many people are frightened because the price continues to fall so they decide to make a sale
Things like this should also be considered because they are important,
not only knowledge and skills but there are still many things that need to be learned like that's the process,
to be sure in investing in crypto do not think it will be easy because in reality it is not easy and we better have to understand first.

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The crazy part about the stock market is every young guy thinks he is going to get in and trade himself a couple % in profits per day and be rich in a year. It just doesn’t work like that. Those people get bled dry. Unfortunately, it takes age and wisdom to see that being debt free and slowly building a portfolio of dependable companies or index funds is truly the way to reach financial freedom. Slow and steady…
When I was a newbie, I also thought that the stock market will be the same as crypto where you can get profits on a daily basis, but I was wrong. I tried to do day trading in the stock market for a few days, but it doesn't work because the price movement of stocks aren't that high compare to crypto which is more volatile.

Slowly building a portfolio of good companies. This is my main goal when it comes to investing into the stock market, and I'm currently doing it. I'm currently investing into some big companies already in our country, and has been there for a very long time. I also got inspired by Warren Buffet where he just studied lots of stocks, bought it, and just held it for decades. Now he is earning billions of dollars without doing anything thru dividends which is the closest to passive income.

Maybe I'm a bit fortunate that I'm still debt free right now, and at the same time, slowly building a portfolio in the stock market.

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In terms of Investment, anyone, must be approached with a balanced mindset, considering the potential gains and possible losses, don't rely on such claims that can lead to bad financial decisions and potential losses and if necessary, seek good financial advice from posts in this Forum, friends, family or experts and then pair it with a news issue circulating in the media in order to prioritize it for your long-term financial well-being. When individuals experience losses in the stock market, it can be a challenging and ultimately frustrating situation.

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May 29, 2023, 12:34:47 PM
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Things like this should also be considered because they are important,
not only knowledge and skills but there are still many things that need to be learned like that's the process,
to be sure in investing in crypto do not think it will be easy because in reality it is not easy and we better have to understand first.

After understanding how and what the level of risk is, I think the thing that is not easy in investing is when providing initial capital to buy assets targeted for investment. Because other than that there's nothing to create a barrier except it's just about the knowledge and courage in doing so after knowing the best assets in the crypto space. Even though the best assets can also experience a decline, but that is only part of the risk that you just need to know, but not to be afraid of because investing is about one's courage in getting profits through an asset that he already trusts.

I say this because there are many people who are knowledgeable about investing, but still don't have the courage to invest when they have the initial capital to do so now. This means that a person's guts are also severely tested in investing because he must be able to be patient when he sees a decline coming in the assets he is currently investing in.

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May 29, 2023, 01:09:19 PM
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So when you play in the stock market never expect to get rich quick, but you must be prepared to lose everything because we are very difficult to predict that the rise can happen as we expect, but all need technique in trading and need patience to be able to profit and when the market goes down we never panic and face it until all we can profit, Because that's how the stock market works, so before you get a lot of wishful thinking first it's very dangerous.

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May 29, 2023, 06:44:33 PM
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I feel like this is attack towards stock market is not what we really need to do, I understand the logic but we shouldn't really go with that. I think it would be wiser if we could end up with something much bigger and better in the long run, it would be smarter if we could just focus on what we can do with getting similar to stock market instead.

Some people in the crypto world hate stock market, but that is a trillion dollar business, and if we could get just a bit similar to it, then we could be a much bigger market as well. Crypto is global, as in the whole world, and even with that we are still failing to beat just American stock markets, even Nasdaq is bigger than us all by itself. If we could be a bit more like that, we could grow and maybe pass that, maybe not be as big as the whole worlds stock markets combined, but at least be bigger than Nasdaq or Nyse.
True. But know that in every investment, there is always risk and no guarantee of making profits, so we should always learn to manage the risk so that the risk of losing would somehow be reduced. So whether it’s in stock market or crypto market, it’s always vital to be cautious on what investment we are trying to put our money on, and never invest if you don’t know how your investment works. Otherwise, you’ll end up losing all your hard-earned money and struggle in your finances.

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May 29, 2023, 07:07:47 PM
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The stock market won't make stable and passive income. Maybe in a bullish season and a growing world economy, these stocks will generate a lot of dividends and their value increases. But the market will never be consistent forever, it will have its own highs and lows.

I am not very good at assessing the global stock market, but in my country, I am losing hope that I might transfer them all in crypto this year or early next year before the bitcoin halving. Before, I keep on hearing from some local stock traders and investors in my country about the volatility of crypto. But now my stocks are in worse condition than bitcoin and the other top altcoins like ethereum.
Investing in stock market way back then has been a good avenue to grow your money. But just like the crypto market, stock market has its own risk too seeing its market is never certain, one day you’ll be in profits, the  next day you’ll be losing your money. That’s the reason it can never be a reliable source of income most of the time, but if you have the right strategies to deal on your investment, you will still be profitable despite of its uncertainties.

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May 29, 2023, 08:29:17 PM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market
I'm afraid, there is nothing you or anyone can do about the losses in stocks, that's why it's often advised to only use the money you can afford to lose for investments. So, if it didn't favour you, you take it as your loss as no one would be blamed if it favours you as well. We should learn to accept losses and be aware of the consequences of the risks we take.

Are they gonna get a refund?
From whose pocket? That's never gonna happen. The only prayer of the investors at this point is for the stock(s) to bounce back, that's where money could be realized.

The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.
I kinda agree with the broker here although you might not be using the exact words/terms used. Just like I earlier said, stocks can technically refund you by themselves when they grow back, and you could even make money afterwards. And in investments, buying stocks and assets cheaply is the best practice to make more money through them. But before doing that, you have to know the reason behind its initial crash and the future prospect and possibilities around the companies/projects that influence the stocks.

However, some stocks will never recover ever again.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
Stock trading and investment are purely legal, and since it's not a scam, the police don't have any concerns here. It's you that should know what is good for you to do it and what is not good for you to avoid it.

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May 29, 2023, 11:41:39 PM
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The stock market won't make stable and passive income. Maybe in a bullish season and a growing world economy, these stocks will generate a lot of dividends and their value increases. But the market will never be consistent forever, it will have its own highs and lows.

I am not very good at assessing the global stock market, but in my country, I am losing hope that I might transfer them all in crypto this year or early next year before the bitcoin halving. Before, I keep on hearing from some local stock traders and investors in my country about the volatility of crypto. But now my stocks are in worse condition than bitcoin and the other top altcoins like ethereum.
Investing in stock market way back then has been a good avenue to grow your money. But just like the crypto market, stock market has its own risk too seeing its market is never certain, one day you’ll be in profits, the  next day you’ll be losing your money. That’s the reason it can never be a reliable source of income most of the time, but if you have the right strategies to deal on your investment, you will still be profitable despite of its uncertainties.

you should educate yourself about the risks before going into this market, just like any other investments.
if you are not sure about your decision, use small amount to test the waters. otherwise, don't dip if you have no knowledge about what you are going into.
as much as possible, explore only the markets that you are most familiar of.

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May 30, 2023, 09:40:45 PM
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you should educate yourself about the risks before going into this market, just like any other investments.
if you are not sure about your decision, use small amount to test the waters. otherwise, don't dip if you have no knowledge about what you are going into.
as much as possible, explore only the markets that you are most familiar of.
This is the correct way about it but newbies hardly listen, they get so excited about the possibility of earning a massive amount of money that they do not want to wait at all, they want to come to this market and make a fortune in a matter of days, then when their dreams do not come true, as expected, they begin to look for ways to reach their goals, and most of the time the only way in which they have a chance to do this is by taking massive risks.

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May 30, 2023, 09:45:49 PM
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The stock market won't make stable and passive income. Maybe in a bullish season and a growing world economy, these stocks will generate a lot of dividends and their value increases. But the market will never be consistent forever, it will have its own highs and lows.

I am not very good at assessing the global stock market, but in my country, I am losing hope that I might transfer them all in crypto this year or early next year before the bitcoin halving. Before, I keep on hearing from some local stock traders and investors in my country about the volatility of crypto. But now my stocks are in worse condition than bitcoin and the other top altcoins like ethereum.
Investing in stock market way back then has been a good avenue to grow your money. But just like the crypto market, stock market has its own risk too seeing its market is never certain, one day you’ll be in profits, the  next day you’ll be losing your money. That’s the reason it can never be a reliable source of income most of the time, but if you have the right strategies to deal on your investment, you will still be profitable despite of its uncertainties.

you should educate yourself about the risks before going into this market, just like any other investments.
if you are not sure about your decision, use small amount to test the waters. otherwise, don't dip if you have no knowledge about what you are going into.
as much as possible, explore only the markets that you are most familiar of.
They key on here is that you shouldnt really make yourself do easily get believed if there's someone who do claim about making easy money because in general essence on this there's no thing on this world would really

be giving out that kind of opportunity or chances. If things turns out to be predictable and people could find out on making themselves some money or assured future basing up on what are those mentions then lots of

us would really be diving in on buying out something and would really be just simply waiting for the time to go upon us. We know that this isnt really something that realistic.This is why its really important that
if there's someones trying to lure you in and making out some profitable promises then for sure you are really that being used or they are trying out their best on making you invested.
Always set out some small amount of money on testing out waters and also having that all-in behavior is never been that recommendable most of the time.

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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley
All investments have their own associated risks, so we must have all the caution before deciding to invest.  But between stocks and bitcoin, I would say there’s more chances to be profitable with bitcoin. Aside from the fact that it’s highly volatile that keeps the thrill, bitcoin price history will keep on achieving all time highs even if the process is not that fast but with long term hodling, it will be highly possible. However, stocks might still be profitable but its profits are nothing when it comes to bitcoin investments.

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May 31, 2023, 08:24:28 AM
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you should educate yourself about the risks before going into this market, just like any other investments.
if you are not sure about your decision, use small amount to test the waters. otherwise, don't dip if you have no knowledge about what you are going into.
as much as possible, explore only the markets that you are most familiar of.
This is the correct way about it but newbies hardly listen, they get so excited about the possibility of earning a massive amount of money that they do not want to wait at all, they want to come to this market and make a fortune in a matter of days, then when their dreams do not come true, as expected, they begin to look for ways to reach their goals, and most of the time the only way in which they have a chance to do this is by taking massive risks.
learning from experience and mistakes is very effective and even someone will look for many ways to be able to change the mistakes he has made, many beginners are like that and I am happy that people want to learn after experiencing defeat instead of leaving it.
Losing money or experiencing defeat in investing is natural because any investment carries a risk that is commensurate with the possibilities that will be faced. Then when we experience a loss, one way to do is to get up and try to recover the lost money and even more. on that.
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The crazy part about the stock market is every young guy thinks he is going to get in and trade himself a couple % in profits per day and be rich in a year. It just doesn’t work like that. Those people get bled dry. Unfortunately, it takes age and wisdom to see that being debt free and slowly building a portfolio of dependable companies or index funds is truly the way to reach financial freedom. Slow and steady…
When I was a newbie, I also thought that the stock market will be the same as crypto where you can get profits on a daily basis, but I was wrong. I tried to do day trading in the stock market for a few days, but it doesn't work because the price movement of stocks aren't that high compare to crypto which is more volatile.

Slowly building a portfolio of good companies. This is my main goal when it comes to investing into the stock market, and I'm currently doing it. I'm currently investing into some big companies already in our country, and has been there for a very long time. I also got inspired by Warren Buffet where he just studied lots of stocks, bought it, and just held it for decades. Now he is earning billions of dollars without doing anything thru dividends which is the closest to passive income.

Maybe I'm a bit fortunate that I'm still debt free right now, and at the same time, slowly building a portfolio in the stock market.
Looks like you've learned the rough reality that the stock market isn't quite the wild ride that crypto is. Many dream of the stock market as this super-charged gaming arena where quick riches await. Spoiler: it's more like sculpting a piece of marble - slow, precise, and not without its setbacks.

It's rad that you're debt-free, amigo. That's like unlocking the final level in this game of grown-ups. Now you've got the freedom to assemble your portfolio, incrementally, like the world's most laborious brick wall. But remember: every solid wall is all about the quality bricks. So, persist in hunting those elite stocks.

Regarding the Buffet saga, the gent's a celeb for a reason. His "buy and hold" policy is as enduring as a vintage classic film. But remember, he's not merely idling, he's perpetually learning and adjusting. So, maintain your focus, keep expanding your knowledge, and you'll be sailing on the dividend wave to Financial Freedom Island

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May 31, 2023, 10:03:21 PM
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In terms of Investment, anyone, must be approached with a balanced mindset, considering the potential gains and possible losses, don't rely on such claims that can lead to bad financial decisions and potential losses and if necessary, seek good financial advice from posts in this Forum, friends, family or experts and then pair it with a news issue circulating in the media in order to prioritize it for your long-term financial well-being. When individuals experience losses in the stock market, it can be a challenging and ultimately frustrating situation.

Do you know why I like crypto investors, the existing members know the associated risk because of how volatile the market is in general, and for that reason, they always end their statement with ''Not a financial advice'' so that when things go the other way, they wouldn't be held responsible, because by law, if you advise someone with investing and things don't go as you advise, you can be prosecuted for that advice.

The problem we have with the new wanna be investors want quick money, they would want to be active immediately instead of being proactive about how they will lead the journey, and when they failed on the first attempt, they start wailing and crying that the process didn't favor them meanwhile, they didn't ready themselves.

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So when you play in the stock market never expect to get rich quick, but you must be prepared to lose everything because we are very difficult to predict that the rise can happen as we expect, but all need technique in trading and need patience to be able to profit and when the market goes down we never panic and face it until all we can profit, Because that's how the stock market works, so before you get a lot of wishful thinking first it's very dangerous.
Yes, it's true, all investments must have a strategy and knowledge too. Of course, all risks also exist. whatever the investment, whether it's stocks and trading, don't ever think about getting rich quick because there will be time for all of that if we really delve into the strategy. If the stock is really good and you are committed to saving regularly and don't panic, you still control yourself when the price drops, you can return your investment even if it takes a long time.

But if you buy small to medium cap stocks, be careful that the analysis must be solid, consistent finances, no profit. Look for the opinions and analysis of other investors, see for yourself and conclude whether the business is sustainable or the profits can be consistent. Take a look at the news, additional information, good corporate governance of the issuer.

In essence, investing in stocks must be careful, look at the prospectus of the shares, see the full profile of the company along with how it works and must be diligent in updating stock prices so that you know when you can buy and sell these shares. The basic principle is similar to gold, property transactions. But it is influenced by many factors as well.
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All are financial markets and have certain risks, no market is better than the other. To be fair, the crypto market is much more profitable but much riskier than the stock market, and scams in crypto are many times more common than in other financial markets. Not to mention that any authority does not regulate cryptocurrencies, so scams hardly decrease but will increase over time.

There are people who like to take risks, like freedom, like to get rich quickly, and who will look to cryptocurrencies, but there are also people who do not like those features, so they prefer to stay with stocks. In general, both have advantages and disadvantages.
I was going to say the same thing. He only sees the positive side of Crypto but not its negative side. There are now regulations that are being placed in Crypto and it is getting stronger from time to time. I guess that should help combat the scams happening around and can bring more confidence to the people to not be afraid on trying Cryptos.

All of us must have that ambition to become rich quickly but not all have the guts to take big risks. That is why some just stick on what they think is safe. Some Stock investors might try Crypto sometimes but they are not taking it seriously. For those guys who lost in Stock market. I feel sorry for them. I hope they can recover ASAP. If we know some of these people, maybe we can give them some advice and encouragement.

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This is the correct way about it but newbies hardly listen, they get so excited about the possibility of earning a massive amount of money that they do not want to wait at all, they want to come to this market and make a fortune in a matter of days, then when their dreams do not come true, as expected, they begin to look for ways to reach their goals, and most of the time the only way in which they have a chance to do this is by taking massive risks.
learning from experience and mistakes is very effective and even someone will look for many ways to be able to change the mistakes he has made, many beginners are like that and I am happy that people want to learn after experiencing defeat instead of leaving it.
Losing money or experiencing defeat in investing is natural because any investment carries a risk that is commensurate with the possibilities that will be faced. Then when we experience a loss, one way to do is to get up and try to recover the lost money and even more. on that.
While a lot can be learned from our mistakes, at the same time newbies make a bunch of mistakes which they could have easily avoided if they took the time to read a book or two, what I am saying is that there is no point on trying to make every single mistake by ourselves, it is also important to learn from the experiences of others as a way to reduce the number and the extent of our mistakes, as this saves us money and a great deal of headaches as well.

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While a lot can be learned from our mistakes, at the same time newbies make a bunch of mistakes which they could have easily avoided if they took the time to read a book or two, what I am saying is that there is no point on trying to make every single mistake by ourselves, it is also important to learn from the experiences of others as a way to reduce the number and the extent of our mistakes, as this saves us money and a great deal of headaches as well.

However, in order to begin to learn from the mistakes of others, you must make your own mistakes, otherwise there will be no incentive to learn. You have to get some experience, because theory is one thing and practice is another. Without practice, it is very difficult to understand theory.
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we have to know that the risk. it is impossible for us to maintain our investment money to a 0% loss. the money is rotated in profit and loss. try to be better at managing. we will see that the money we invest, even if we lose some of it, will be replaced by profits that actually cover those losses. try to be more consistent in investing, that is the best way to get rich here.

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People who want to invest in stocks must have materials, methods, graphics, not just investing the money in stocks. it can bring problems in the future, the actual method of bringing graphics to anticipate things doesn't carry big risks sometimes risks always come suddenly which make a mess because of negative news effects. but that's nothing to fear because there will definitely be a normal rise that takes time

I certainly agree with that and one common mistake that some investors commit is that they invest without doing research simply because they believe that they can gain profit easily since they lack knowledge about it. As for me, investing in the stock market requires deep research and an understanding of its risk. It's not for lazy investors who don't do even simple research and expect huge profits in return.
However, it's still a good way to invest yet we should not put everything in one basket unless we know how to read charts and apply effective strategies on it. There are useful and knowledgeable resources that we can find online nowadays so if we are interested on it, we should be eager to learn how it works.
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we have to know that the risk. it is impossible for us to maintain our investment money to a 0% loss. the money is rotated in profit and loss. try to be better at managing. we will see that the money we invest, even if we lose some of it, will be replaced by profits that actually cover those losses. try to be more consistent in investing, that is the best way to get rich here.
So many things are happening in the market and we need to be wise not to fall Victim to them because the end can be very painful especially when we lost a very big amount of money. Many of those brokers and exchanges would want us to trade with them so that they can make money us without caring if we really know how to trade or not.
Trading is a very very difficult and those that do not know this may be skeptical of the risk it could pose to then if they go into the market without get a good knowledge about what they intend doing.
 We need learn very carefully not be deceived about some many things they do to lure is to trade with some many appealing strategies.

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June 10, 2023, 10:07:18 PM
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People who want to invest in stocks must have materials, methods, graphics, not just investing the money in stocks. it can bring problems in the future, the actual method of bringing graphics to anticipate things doesn't carry big risks sometimes risks always come suddenly which make a mess because of negative news effects. but that's nothing to fear because there will definitely be a normal rise that takes time

I certainly agree with that and one common mistake that some investors commit is that they invest without doing research simply because they believe that they can gain profit easily since they lack knowledge about it. As for me, investing in the stock market requires deep research and an understanding of its risk. It's not for lazy investors who don't do even simple research and expect huge profits in return.
However, it's still a good way to invest yet we should not put everything in one basket unless we know how to read charts and apply effective strategies on it. There are useful and knowledgeable resources that we can find online nowadays so if we are interested on it, we should be eager to learn how it works.
if beginners only have thoughts of profit when investing they will only lose the money. many people want to be successful but reluctant don't want to go through the process to get better. investors who have been good from before they believe that moving finances will produce results because they already have what material to do, such as the season, you need to know.

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June 11, 2023, 01:18:42 AM
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Everything runs in a cyclic movement, which is true. We don't know the right time interval for the same to happen. This means there is risk with each and every form of investment, whether it is stock market, cryptocurrency or other schemes.

In the opening post we were able to see the term fast as a prefix to each and every achievement from a person. This increase the risk even more higher and there are high chances of unknown people getting into traps and losing hard earned money.

In each and every form of investment there is need of patience with which life and the investment can be made more enjoyable than just losing. Just think of a situation a person have borrowed money for interest and invested into something with the expectation of return within specific timeline. What happens if the person wasn't able to get back what he expected.
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June 11, 2023, 01:48:21 AM
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we have to know that the risk. it is impossible for us to maintain our investment money to a 0% loss. the money is rotated in profit and loss. try to be better at managing. we will see that the money we invest, even if we lose some of it, will be replaced by profits that actually cover those losses. try to be more consistent in investing, that is the best way to get rich here.
I agree, consistency really matters a lot in any kind of investment whether it was in crypto or in the stock market. But why we lose, perhaps, it was very common and avoidable, yet can be minimized in the way that we have to carefully decide what to do. Controlling emotions together with proper management is a great combo when it comes to investing which would possibly result in profit. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that easy, we struggle it hard first before we get the momentum and succeed that is why it needs patience.



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June 11, 2023, 02:02:59 AM
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It is part of the experience of investing not only with securities but with any other problems that arise in life. I don't like to blame when I have made mistakes, but it is difficult for us to detect or admit those mistakes, sorry to hear that those people have lost their money investing in the stock market. It's important that you learn from your experience and avoid it happening again in the future, and about buying low in the stock market, this may be true, but it should also be checked. carefully and do more market research to avoid losing money in the future. I would like to emphasize that investing is a risky process and you should invest in a prudent and thoughtful manner before deciding to invest in any market or investment product.









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June 12, 2023, 10:18:53 AM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

In every business there are winners and losers. Those who lost money to stock market are called liquidity providers. Nothing wrong with that from the ethical and economical point of view.
They played the game and lost.

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return.

I don't know about fast women, but I prefer if my men aren't too fast Wink
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June 12, 2023, 10:35:15 AM
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People who want to invest in stocks must have materials, methods, graphics, not just investing the money in stocks. it can bring problems in the future, the actual method of bringing graphics to anticipate things doesn't carry big risks sometimes risks always come suddenly which make a mess because of negative news effects. but that's nothing to fear because there will definitely be a normal rise that takes time

What we most forgot in making this kind of investment in stock market is the risk in doing it, there's no business or any means of making profits which does not have it's own risk, there are times you will find out that they make a steady income from it over time and also in other side, it may appears the other way being opposite to the first experience, what is expected of us is to always keep being updated trying our best in giving it all it may require in having a good result at the end, if you think having stock is not good enough you can also batch into cryptocurrency and try out something new.



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If all the risks that everyone fears in doing business, whether in business, investment and whatever it is, what we need to do is learn from mistakes and make them a field of knowledge to become knowledge in making investments.

What to do.?
For those who have confidence in the development of their company, I think holding on to the shares they own longer, because from an economic point of view, today is still in the improvement stage, nothing is not falling at this time. So if a stock that's losing value, but has the potential to rebound is even better, why not hold on, if you're in doubt, then the option is to divert the remaining funds to bitcoin, given that today bitcoin is still cheap, and our bitcoin halving isn't much longer.

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June 12, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
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quote author=pixie85 link=topic=5452087.msg62394241#msg62394241 date=1686565133]
What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

In every business there are winners and losers. Those who lost money to stock market are called liquidity providers. Nothing wrong with that from the ethical and economical point of view.
They played the game and lost.
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We don't know if the guy is experience stock market trader or just a newbie who want to try their fortune on stock trading expect this to come for newbies because they are prone to do risky movements which can cause huge losses to them. Its big learning experience to acquire and I think all of us experience this situation. So best to get up and learn from those error since for sure next time if we are consistent we can earn with the trades we make.

Thinking about they are a loser cannot bring up something good to them so better to research more to add some skills and be a winner soon.

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Currently the stock market is almost as current as the crypto market, and many investors are experiencing losses but some investors are buying some saha. To get profits when the market returns to normal, so for those of you who are currently trapped then be patient because the value of stocks and crypto will return to glory, in investing there are indeed many challenges that we must pass in order to achieve success and we must be ready in any situation because there must be a way to get out of every problem.

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June 12, 2023, 01:09:10 PM
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If all the risks that everyone fears in doing business, whether in business, investment and whatever it is, what we need to do is learn from mistakes and make them a field of knowledge to become knowledge in making investments.

What to do.?
For those who have confidence in the development of their company, I think holding on to the shares they own longer, because from an economic point of view, today is still in the improvement stage, nothing is not falling at this time. So if a stock that's losing value, but has the potential to rebound is even better, why not hold on, if you're in doubt, then the option is to divert the remaining funds to bitcoin, given that today bitcoin is still cheap, and our bitcoin halving isn't much longer.

Investing in stocks or bitcoin doesn't make too much of a difference. What is more important is that we must have complete knowledge about it and be confident when investing in it. We should not invest in the advice of others when we know nothing about it. I would not advise stock investors to invest in bitcoin, instead, I think they should be knowledgeable because once they have the knowledge, they can make a profit in any market. It's not just bitcoin that is profitable, and stocks are not.

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June 12, 2023, 04:03:05 PM
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This is roulette, you can always wait for the market to roll back, there is a chance that things will get even worse. There is only risk and they are not afraid to lose everything they have invested. Many have lived for priceless, just not to go into the negative. No one will pay anything.

I definitely don't think it's right to make an comparison to roulette or similar gambling for stock investments. This is because investing and gambling are not the same thing. Yes, every investment has its own risk and the rate of return it provides varies depending on this risk. However, it is important to know that high-risk investments are definitely not gambling and that investment and gambling are completely independent from each other. Although there is a possibility that an investment that loses will return to a situation that will provide a profit again with a waiting period, this is not a gamble but a possibility. Of course, a stock that causes loss may continue to increase the current loss further but this does not go beyond being a risk and possibility of the investment and is not considered as a gamble.
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June 13, 2023, 01:30:46 AM
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if people decide to invest in the stock market or other investments that most financial constituents considered as "high risk" they should know what they doing or they will lose their money in there.

For me, the stock market is still can be predictable by the key stat like fundamental analysis and products that the company offers and so on. If you know basic fundamental analysis and some of technical analysis and buy on "Spot" market I think that would be fine, Unless you are trading CFD or futures when you don't know then you will ending up getting lose more.

People just tend to get quick profit and try CFD, Futures or Options to make money in the short term or I would say quick term but if you joined the Stock market you should know that is designed for the mid and long-term investor.

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June 13, 2023, 03:01:04 AM
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we have to know that the risk. it is impossible for us to maintain our investment money to a 0% loss. the money is rotated in profit and loss. try to be better at managing. we will see that the money we invest, even if we lose some of it, will be replaced by profits that actually cover those losses. try to be more consistent in investing, that is the best way to get rich here.
What might not let you focus properly on your goals is to have the thought that you will get rich from trading, that only happens to a few very lucky people, and not everyone can just get rich by investing a small amount in trading whether it's about stocks or cryptocurrencies, they might be volatile but they don't provide such high profits, some cryptocurrencies do that but you cannot know it in advance so that you can invest in them.

So it is definitely better to just have a target and try and achieve that after learning the ways and techniques instead of thinking that you will get rich with your investments in the stock or cryptocurrency market. Being more reasonable is a better thing than day dreaming in my opinion.

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June 14, 2023, 01:17:57 AM
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Life is like 2 things that have the same opportunity, if we want profit by investing then we must be prepared to lose, most people only think about profit without ever thinking there is another side, namely loss, if we see someone who loses when investing in the stock market then the best thing is to encourage him to invest in cryptocurrencies.
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June 14, 2023, 04:50:18 PM
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we have to know that the risk. it is impossible for us to maintain our investment money to a 0% loss. the money is rotated in profit and loss. try to be better at managing. we will see that the money we invest, even if we lose some of it, will be replaced by profits that actually cover those losses. try to be more consistent in investing, that is the best way to get rich here.
What might not let you focus properly on your goals is to have the thought that you will get rich from trading, that only happens to a few very lucky people, and not everyone can just get rich by investing a small amount in trading whether it's about stocks or cryptocurrencies, they might be volatile but they don't provide such high profits, some cryptocurrencies do that but you cannot know it in advance so that you can invest in them.

So it is definitely better to just have a target and try and achieve that after learning the ways and techniques instead of thinking that you will get rich with your investments in the stock or cryptocurrency market. Being more reasonable is a better thing than day dreaming in my opinion.
Seriously, mate? You think I should scrap my wealthy aspirations? I can't agree. Okay, trading isn't all cake and ale, but denying the chance of wealth is just as shortsighted! Isn't the gamble part of the game? Don't we need to risk it for the biscuit? Consistency is crucial, but seizing chances is equally key. Do we overlook those who transformed a small stake into a jackpot? I reckon we shouldn't squash dreams of wealth. Instead, let's sharpen them with savvy and backbone. Trade bold, not fearful!

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June 16, 2023, 02:03:15 AM
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Everything runs in a cyclic movement, which is true.
yup, it must have cycle,

I also believe rich people should go poor and go rich and go poor again, like a cycle, rich get richer is simply unfair! That include the one who is born rich, they have to born rich and born poor and born rich and born poor again just like a cycle. Smiley

rich go richer must be abolished.

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We don't know the right time interval for the same to happen.
this is very important, "time is money", we must be careful with time, a cycle begin at a time, a cycle also end at a later time. Also making a killing on this cycle is indeed what a savvy investor had to capitalize on.

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...This means there is risk with each and every form of investment, whether it is stock market, cryptocurrency or other schemes... 
that is why we have to be extremely cherry picking, on the cream of the crop... just like picking the waifu out a mountain of sea of young lady, broker know what is best waifu for me, crypto not good waifu indeed, crypto too many smelly nerd, and basement dwellers.

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...unknown people getting into traps and losing hard earned money... Just think of a situation a person have borrowed money ... What happens if the person wasn't able to get back what he expected...
I see, I also see many people commiting suicide in the late 2021, I can read it on forum, some of the user I talk to they no longer existed, isn't it also part of the deal? Losing money is painful enough already, but to commit suicide for maximize pain. I can't think of how some would say dying is better than living, when he are unluckly enough to fall victim into heavy loss, and very few can understand the dilemma he faced since it is so shameful, he failed, and getting rejected, he can't even have the courage to debunk himself to his close friends.

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June 16, 2023, 07:06:38 AM
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I think the issue of fairness in this life is always obvious, when it's not natural for someone to succeed or fail, it sounds a bit accidental to those who have been tricked into looking deeper into the matter. see what makes them lack of knowledge but they still have money to accumulate, the job gives them those things but then it also disappears because of mistakes in life. From the very beginning the element of awareness needs to be made clear, we need to know about them and understand the operation, and be responsible in every decision, even when I witness scam lawsuits, I also It must be recognized that both sides should be punished between the culprit and the victim. To set an example for outsiders to see this problem.

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June 16, 2023, 03:26:52 PM
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What to do with all guy who loss money to stock market

They are all promised to have retirement, stable and passive income, happy ending, fast car, fast house, fast woman, big fat profit, millionaire, high risk high return. Some of them got into big loan and loss everything, while they are still having to pay their loan. Are they gonna get a refund? The broker tell me stock market would make a come back again, it is just a cycle thing, technical correction, everybody would get their refund when market come back again. Now is the best time to buy low, when they market come back, it is your chance to retire young retire rich.

I told broker this is snake oil, and it is over. He respond it is not, you see, everybody too is doing this shady business, everybody doing it, you know, ape together ape is strong, when ape is strong, police is weak, law enforcement is weak, they can't fight the ape when ape together. Smiley

It's like anything in life, you have fools that think that easy money is in reach by doing very little work. It's what keeps millions of people playing the lottery every week, even though the odds of them winning are absolutely tiny and unlikely to ever happen even if they had a hundred lifetimes playing every week. There is money to be made in the stock market, but the real pros know that low risk, low return is the only way to earn steady, otherwise you have to do a lot of research and even then you can be taking on huge risks if you're trying to double your money in short periods of time (which you have to do many times to make a big fortune).

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June 16, 2023, 04:47:35 PM
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It is important to notice that the job of the broker is not to offer financial advice or manage your money, so you can do good and get profits.
The job of the broker is to maintain and trading volume high he can continue to pocket the exchange fees. They do not bother to ask whether you are making money or not, as soon as you click on buy/sell, he has already won.

So I would say that either one learns by our own own to manage our own investments to get steady and slow progress or we can hide a financial advisor to guide us.

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June 16, 2023, 10:58:52 PM
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Like crypto currencies, investing in stocks involves risk and volatility. One should know about all those risks before investing in stocks. No one can promise guaranteed profits when investing in stocks. Like crypto, it can go up and down. You shouldn't also invest using money by taking loans. What the broker told you that the market will bounce back could be true, but it's uncertain when that will happen. It might take years, but it eventually will. If the investments were in legitimate stocks, it might be wise to hold until the market recovers, rather than selling at a loss. However, everyone's situation and tolerance for risk are different. So based on your tolerance, you should make the decision if you want to buy or sell.

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