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June 11, 2023, 03:51:55 PM
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Why not? As long as there is a good reason to bet against my favorite team, I'll do it. Become a fan of a specific team does not mean that we should always bet on them. Gambling and being a fan should be separated, if we do bet on our team just because we love them and we do not care about the probability, I will say we are taking the wrong way. I will even suggest you to avoid betting in the matches of your favorite team.
Actually, as gamblers, we certainly have a favorite club, but as gamblers, we cannot always bet on the underdog, even though we have to bet against our favorite club, but there are other options, such as betting on Asin Handicap.
So we don't need to bet against our favorite team and what is certain is that as gamblers we are just trying to make a profit.
That's right, because there are still several betting options that gamblers can take, not only on team wins.
This is a choice that gamblers can make without having to choose another team that they don't like.
But usually someone who really gambles for money never thinks about choosing which team they like because the main goal is to make a profit so they only focus on the opportunities that exist.

You are like me who sometimes choose Asin Handicap bets or some other options to get a chance to win without having to fight the team I like.

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June 11, 2023, 08:56:04 PM
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Why not? As long as there is a good reason to bet against my favorite team, I'll do it. Become a fan of a specific team does not mean that we should always bet on them. Gambling and being a fan should be separated, if we do bet on our team just because we love them and we do not care about the probability, I will say we are taking the wrong way. I will even suggest you to avoid betting in the matches of your favorite team.
Actually, as gamblers, we certainly have a favorite club, but as gamblers, we cannot always bet on the underdog, even though we have to bet against our favorite club, but there are other options, such as betting on Asin Handicap.
So we don't need to bet against our favorite team and what is certain is that as gamblers we are just trying to make a profit.
That's right, because there are still several betting options that gamblers can take, not only on team wins.
This is a choice that gamblers can make without having to choose another team that they don't like.
But usually someone who really gambles for money never thinks about choosing which team they like because the main goal is to make a profit so they only focus on the opportunities that exist.

You are like me who sometimes choose Asin Handicap bets or some other options to get a chance to win without having to fight the team I like.

With a gambler who are aiming for money, it's not important to bet whether it's their favorite team or not, as long as they see good opportunities and the odd is decent they will take that in hope that they will win the bet. But with those casual gambler who wanted to bet while watching, it can add excitement and enjoyment if the team that they love are performing and the bet have a better chance to win.

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June 11, 2023, 08:59:35 PM
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You always have a winner and a loser if such a situation were to arise. But it's also a moral thing, why gamble against your own team that you're a fan of? There are many games that you can bet on. If you are going to bet on your own team, bet on a win on your own team or at least on a positive market of this match. Betting on the opponent is actually asking for trouble in advance if you ask my opinion. I don't think many gamblers would do such a thing either.

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June 11, 2023, 09:16:36 PM
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As a gambler and a die-hard fan of a club that has been having a terrible season, would you bet against your club, knowing that their loss would be your financial gain? Or would you stay loyal and not bet against them?
I place a bet according to which team has a better chance to win the match. Even though I'm a Chelsea fan, I will never bet on Chelsea if they are against Man City or Man United. The chance to win against these teams is almost zero (0).  Grin  So, when it is about betting, I don't care about my favorite team. We should understand that betting requires some money, so the result is necessary. In this matter, we must feel more realistic, we can't force betting based on our loyalty only.


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June 11, 2023, 09:22:08 PM
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With a gambler who are aiming for money, it's not important to bet whether it's their favorite team or not, as long as they see good opportunities and the odd is decent they will take that in hope that they will win the bet. But with those casual gambler who wanted to bet while watching, it can add excitement and enjoyment if the team that they love are performing and the bet have a better chance to win.

Sometimes it's really hard to bet against my favorite team but money matters. Depends on how juicy the odds are, I might bet against my favorite team as long as it's reasonable to do so. In case the odds are favoring my criteria and it happened to be with my favorite team, I will go that way.

I admit that even though there are times I understand the risks that my favorite team is on the verge of losing in their upcoming match, I risk some money on them thinking of the possibility that they might turn the game upside down and upset the considered favorite team in that match.

If that happened, a good profit is waiting but not always the case that I will repeatedly be doing it.
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June 11, 2023, 10:15:17 PM
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Am not really a fan of gambling and of course a true fan of a football club would always give support to their club whenever they're having a match but on the other hand I would only be against the Club I'm supporting if they're underperformed or playing against a tougher and stronger team capable of beating them home and away, let's say I'm a fan to Leicester City playing and they're playing against a team like Mancity or Arsenal I won't risk my money on that knowing they're palying such tougher opponets.
 I'll only support them if there performances  in that particular season was great just like (2016) when they won  the premier league.

 it would be more painful if I decided to risk betting on my team to win and they lost so I'll avoid taking the risk. It falls back to their performance the better their performance the more I'll be willing to risk on them hence I'll bet against them if they ain't equal to the task.
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June 11, 2023, 10:19:29 PM
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As a gambler and a die-hard fan of a club that has been having a terrible season, would you bet against your club, knowing that their loss would be your financial gain? Or would you stay loyal and not bet against them?
I place a bet according to which team has a better chance to win the match. Even though I'm a Chelsea fan, I will never bet on Chelsea if they are against Man City or Man United. The chance to win against these teams is almost zero (0).  Grin  So, when it is about betting, I don't care about my favorite team. We should understand that betting requires some money, so the result is necessary. In this matter, we must feel more realistic, we can't force betting based on our loyalty only.


Ideally, in betting especially football we have to be realistic. if we want to win at a gamble, the first thing we have to do is put our ego aside. for example, like the cases we discuss in this thread. if the choice is not ideal, you should not force yourself to bet on our favorite team. things like this, usually will lead us to defeat. for example, Chelsea vs Manchester United, or against City. considering the state Chelsea is in right now, it's the same as us betting our money on defeat. despite the fact, in football anything can happen.

Well, in terms of betting.  we should be neutral gamblers, I mean put aside the favorite team. even then, if the available odds are ideal and the probability of winning is greater than the opposing team. it could also, we ignore it and not involve the gamble. at least, I do that if my favorite team is going up against a tougher team.
For example, Arsenal vs City. even though playing at home, the probability of victory that Arsenal has is smaller than the opposing team. ideally, I wouldn't bet if I doubted Arsenal's win. or, I can choose the Under/Over option.

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June 15, 2023, 01:10:33 AM
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If you are a really die-hard fan (no matter how much you are into them), then I think it is not best to bet on the opposite team, but as a gambler, favoritism is not included unless you want to lose because you bet to win for that money, and if the odds or if the other team is stronger than your favorite team, then there is no choice but to bet on the stronger one because we know that our chances to win are huge. I am not a fan of football, but I do really like basketball, and when I don't bet,  that is when I become a die-hard fan, but if I do bet, I do choose the team that has higher chances.
Naturally, if you are an avid fan of one club, it doesn't make sense to bet against your own favorite team, especially if you are a fanatical fan, of course you will always defend the club, whether in a match that you lose or win, but indeed If in gambling we find a high probability of winning against our favorite team, of course that is a wise thing, because the orientation is the profit generated, I think it is even more necessary to choose a club that has a higher chance of winning than forcing a bet on the team we like but the probability of winning is very small.
I also often do that.

It is not always our favorite team that is more powerful than another team; it is like they are very strong this year, but next year they are very slow and difficult to win games. Our loyalty is for sure still the same; we are fans of them and we support them. Like in the last NBA finals, which the Nuggets won, there are tons of people I've known who bet on them, but they are also fans of the Heat, which even though they still lose, they still support that team. But when it comes to money or gambling, that is another thing.
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As a gambler and a die-hard fan of a club that has been having a terrible season, would you bet against your club, knowing that their loss would be your financial gain? Or would you stay loyal and not bet against them?
Some individuals see gambling as the way to ending their instability in finance but I see it as a means to add extra money to my pocket. What drives our gambling conduct? We obviously want to be able to make a considerable amount of money. As long as the opponent is heavier and has a better chance of winning, I can bet on my club to lose. My club is never an excuse for me to lose a game; instead, my goal is to meet the multiple or quadruple seizure of my deposited capital. For example, Chelsea's performance this season has been abysmal; I can't count how many times I've bet against the Blues while being a fan.

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As a gambler and a die-hard fan of a club that has been having a terrible season, would you bet against your club, knowing that their loss would be your financial gain? Or would you stay loyal and not bet against them?
I place a bet according to which team has a better chance to win the match. Even though I'm a Chelsea fan, I will never bet on Chelsea if they are against Man City or Man United. The chance to win against these teams is almost zero (0).  Grin  So, when it is about betting, I don't care about my favorite team. We should understand that betting requires some money, so the result is necessary. In this matter, we must feel more realistic, we can't force betting based on our loyalty only.
You can see the situation so that you can be categorized as a wise gambler. Not many gamblers like you know what will happen and decide whether to bet or not. So, as you said, we must be realistic in betting and cannot be forced to bet, especially if we are in a difficult situation to predict who will win. We can choose not to bet when our favorite team competes with the opposing team but it turns out that the opposing team is very strong so the chances of winning are very small.

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June 18, 2023, 08:50:25 PM
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Yes. This is what I like (enjoying the game and supporting my favorite team).

Supporting your favorite team in any situation and condition in the form of a game is something that everyone, including us, definitely does.
In fact, I rarely even miss my favorite team's matches when they compete with any team.
And as you said, of course I separate the matter of bets (money) because talking about bets is talking about odds. Smiley

If the opportunity comes from the opposing team, then we have to think using the gambling brain, who is worth betting on, he will get his place. But maybe the number of bets I will use is less than what I usually use, because I also support my favorite team. and there are two advantages, when the favorite team loses then we will get a win from the bet, but when the favorite team wins we will get pleasure. That's fair enough isn't it and won't stress us out.
It is always good to bet with reason and not with the heart, sometimes we can say yes, that we will bet with reason, but due to adverse situations, sometimes we as humans get in the way of feelings, and sometimes feelings can help us. lead to victory or failure as the case may be, for example in a sport, in soccer we can be guided by our favorite team, even so if we bet against our team, because we see that it has many flaws, and that it is not very well, if we make the bet against and if the team wins? how will we stay? happy and sad at the same time...it's an ugly feeling, I don't know if anyone has experienced it.

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June 18, 2023, 09:00:34 PM
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You always have a winner and a loser if such a situation were to arise. But it's also a moral thing, why gamble against your own team that you're a fan of? There are many games that you can bet on. If you are going to bet on your own team, bet on a win on your own team or at least on a positive market of this match. Betting on the opponent is actually asking for trouble in advance if you ask my opinion. I don't think many gamblers would do such a thing either.

On the contrary, many bettors make a bet against their club in order to sweeten the bitterness of defeat a little in case of failure.
Personally, I can say about myself that although I am a fan of some clubs, I am not a fanatic, so for me there are no problems making any bet - I separate these two activities for myself.

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June 18, 2023, 09:01:15 PM
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Yes. This is what I like (enjoying the game and supporting my favorite team).

Supporting your favorite team in any situation and condition in the form of a game is something that everyone, including us, definitely does.
In fact, I rarely even miss my favorite team's matches when they compete with any team.
And as you said, of course I separate the matter of bets (money) because talking about bets is talking about odds. Smiley

If the opportunity comes from the opposing team, then we have to think using the gambling brain, who is worth betting on, he will get his place. But maybe the number of bets I will use is less than what I usually use, because I also support my favorite team. and there are two advantages, when the favorite team loses then we will get a win from the bet, but when the favorite team wins we will get pleasure. That's fair enough isn't it and won't stress us out.
It is always good to bet with reason and not with the heart, sometimes we can say yes, that we will bet with reason, but due to adverse situations, sometimes we as humans get in the way of feelings, and sometimes feelings can help us. lead to victory or failure as the case may be, for example in a sport, in soccer we can be guided by our favorite team, even so if we bet against our team, because we see that it has many flaws, and that it is not very well, if we make the bet against and if the team wins? how will we stay? happy and sad at the same time...it's an ugly feeling, I don't know if anyone has experienced it.

Betting with reason will let our mind accept the losing/winning the bet. When we place our bets on the favourite and lost, it'll be hurting as the match is lost along with the betting amount. When placed based on performance we could win against our favourite, losing the match might make you sad while the winning of bet keeps you prepared for the next bet. However not everyone does it, even myself used to go with the favourite team amidst the low winning chance. This gives kind of feel, that we're supporting the team in some way and the same keeps as hopeful that our team will win.

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June 18, 2023, 09:06:19 PM
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Let's just admit that no matter how die hard fan you are when you're in need of money and you know the odds are favoring and you've got a sense on who's gonna win.

It won't matter to you that you're a die hard fan and you'll even have to reason out to yourself that this is just one-time thing but you'll still be a fan of theirs.

Well, we can be sure that there have been gamblers like that.

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It remains a nice situation if you have bet a considerable amount of money on your team or against your team. If you are involved in betting money on a team of your own, then perhaps you should bet it on a win or a positive market of your team. After all, you only have to hope for 1 team to win. I don't think it's nice to see if you have bet money on the opponent of your favorite team, then you still hope that the money wins and then your favorite team can suffer a defeat.

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June 18, 2023, 09:22:21 PM
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As a gambler and a die-hard fan of a club that has been having a terrible season, would you bet against your club, knowing that their loss would be your financial gain? Or would you stay loyal and not bet against them?
Sometimes in gambling, we don't have to be so idealistic. Indeed, we must continue to support our favorite club. But in my opinion, and what I think is, in terms of this betting, I will be more realistic. For example, at some point my favorite club is against a superior club and based on predictions, my club will lose, so it's better if I take another position, I don't have to always be at that club. Because sometimes, I need money more than my ego over fans of something. Is this wrong? However, I just want to be more realistic on this one. ha ha

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June 18, 2023, 10:27:24 PM
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As a gambler and a die-hard fan of a club that has been having a terrible season, would you bet against your club, knowing that their loss would be your financial gain? Or would you stay loyal and not bet against them?
I place a bet according to which team has a better chance to win the match. Even though I'm a Chelsea fan, I will never bet on Chelsea if they are against Man City or Man United. The chance to win against these teams is almost zero (0).  Grin  So, when it is about betting, I don't care about my favorite team. We should understand that betting requires some money, so the result is necessary. In this matter, we must feel more realistic, we can't force betting based on our loyalty only.

You mean this season right!  Grin If you continue with this pattern, Chelsea will ruin your bets by next season because they are bouncing back with Pochettino best strategy that haven't been seen in EPL. Joke aside, betting doesn't have anything to do with emotion, it's all about how to win and win, your favorite doesn't comes when it comes to gambling, as long as they are capable of winning or making your predictions goes as plan, then that's a welcome idea. I have bet on my teams multiple times without number to win and yet they lost, I don't think there's anything wrong if I bet on them to lose the next time I try similar bet again, everyone bet to make money and not to become poor.

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June 18, 2023, 10:40:16 PM
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Even if someone is not a die-hard fan, no fan will be happy for other teams to beat the team they are supporting. Seriously, it will be hard to bet against your team as a die-hard fan because you never pray for your team to lose.
 
But I can still say that even some die-hard fans can still bet against their team once they are sure that the game will come and they will win the bet. This makes me remember one of my friends who may be die-hard Arsenal fans, but whenever Arsenal is having a match against Manchester City, it always stakes on Manchester City to win Arsenal, and it always happens. It has been doing that now for over two seasons now. So I just believe that the spirit of money can change someone easily.

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June 18, 2023, 10:42:14 PM
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It remains a nice situation if you have bet a considerable amount of money on your team or against your team. If you are involved in betting money on a team of your own, then perhaps you should bet it on a win or a positive market of your team. After all, you only have to hope for 1 team to win. I don't think it's nice to see if you have bet money on the opponent of your favorite team, then you still hope that the money wins and then your favorite team can suffer a defeat.
Well, this is your opinion my friend, if this is what it takes to be a die hard fan, then I disqualify myself from being a die hard fan, what ever team I support does not pay me money, I work really hard to earn my money, It will be foolish of me to waste my money in such a manner, I honestly do not look at my favorite team when It comes to betting, I simply bet on the team I think has the potential to win the match, If the club I support is playing against another club, and the other club has a good potential to win the game, I simply bet for that other club, I put my money where it could bring me more money, money is hard to come by and shouldn't be wasted all in name of supporting a club, after all, If I bet for my favorite club and they win the match, they won't pay me, and neither will they pay me my money back if they lose the game.

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In these cases it is difficult to separate the reason from the heart, and it is the duty to be, and personally I have never done it, well, only one day I tried to do it and I couldn't, I bet on my team even though I was going to lose, but it was my team from the national team, it is impossible for one to bet against the country one was born in, so that is why I say that it is very hard to separate reason from the heart, of course that is what makes us human and every time better , but sometimes when it comes to money we have to have an iron reason and see things in a more fair and technical way, it is difficult, but I have not been able to achieve it.
The emotion that we feel in our hearts is I think much stronger than the reasoning made by our mind. So just go where your heart says. I see that you lose your money but at least you are true and you support your country's very own team.

Even if they came up as a loser, they will still be a winner in your eyes because you know that they try their best to make your country proud. Not all people are the same. Some are not like you who don't see money as everything, so they can be able to bet on the opposing team because they think they are much stronger. They will never feel guilty about it but they will only regret once they made a wrong choice.

Yes,  and I have tried to control that, because sometimes reason and intelligence are much better , because money is earned with intelligence , but when there are so many emotions and feelings it is difficult , I think I will never be able to do something like that, It's just that I know that they're going to lose the same bet in favor, it's like that sense of belonging, I wouldn't know how to explain it, but in all cases I think that people Around the world tend to be like that, they aren't capable of going against it. of his, because it is a betrayal and it is something that would not feel very good , Because as Humans our conscience will not leave us Alone.

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