UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season

[rendravolt]

Goal has been ranked the teams based on their power

https://www.goal.com/en/lists/champions-league-2023-24-power-rankings/

1. Real madrid
2. Manchester city
3. Arsenal
4. Bayern
5. Intermilan

To be honest, i would value intermilan far stronger compared with arsenal and it shall be in the third place. Seeing intermilan was able reaching UCL final last season but arsenal was not even entering into the UCL. In my opinion, the author's assessment of Arsenal's score seems somewhat unusual.

The thing that surprises me that if author has been placing manchester united as the weakest team in the UCL so far. It's only above braga which is a shame. I fully agreed with the author regarding the position of manchester united.

United is now a mediocre team in UCL. It's finished now and united has probably 10% chance to qualify for the knock out stage. It shows that how garbage manchester united under ten hag.

Anyway, I opened the link you provided but it looks like it has been deleted by Goal.com

When Arsenal is just above Bayern Munich it is already strange and maybe it doesn't seem like this is a competent statistic. Seeing Inter's position below Arsenal is also another oddity. I feel this assessment is overrated and Arsenal are only the top team in this competition even though they are often considered strong title contenders. Maybe I would prefer to see him in 5th place and replace Inter, that would be much more appropriate for Arsenal.

Manchester United is beyond help and they are like the wind in this competition and do not reflect as one of the big teams in Europe. A 10% chance is too big, I think they only have a 0.1% chance because being able to win against Bayern Munich is an unfounded miracle.

[Bobrox]

now De Gea must be laughing at what happened to Ten Hag's choice to push him out of the team. The next opponent is Munich, and I don't think there is any hope for United to finish in 3rd place and head to the Europa League play off round. that possibility is very small now.
I don't know what other reasons Ten Hag will come up with. what is certain is that United will probably not retain him as United's coach. and I believe his performance this season is enough reason for United to sack him.

Its not totally mistake from Andre Onana but the most weakness with defensive, I don't think David De Gea will make many crucial save is still as Manchester United goal keeper because they have poor performance from defender. Last season we can see how David De Gea have working hard by himself with unperformed of defender and in this season Erik ten Hag not recruit with new defender position. In Group A, Manchester United dropped to bottom place but they are remaining one point left from Copenhagen and Galatasaray, only one possibility for qualifying to next round defeat Bayern Munich on last match and Copenhagen vs Galatasaray have be draw, if both team get three points is over for Manchester United get knock out round but have chance for participating on Europe League.
 
I doubt with Erik ten Hag reputation as Manchester United manager, seems if fail make United qualify to knock out round can't guarantee his position secure and potential will sack before end of this season.

[Salahmu]

For me, Man UTD's problem is bigger than we are seeing. For them getting into the Europa is if Bayern and Copenhagen will be lenient and that's a big probability I'm not willing to bet on. The team's good but the ownership and the coach is also affecting their way of playing. I'm already sure they won't qualify for Europa league but anything can happen.

Of course you have a point because Manchester United is having a serious challenges this season and however they don't even know were there problems is coming from and how to fixed it, because most of there previous matches has been one mistake to another even there last match against Galatasaray from the beginning of the match they were performing really well and scored two goals on the first half but how they were able to allow Galatasaray equalize the goal was what I don't understand.

And however the faith of Manchester United to qualify from there champions League group is still not certain and it depends on there performance against Bayern Munich, and considering what they played against Galatasaray I don't think they have hope on there match against Bayern Munich because Bayern Munich is too experience for them.

[skarais]

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Manchester United is making things difficult for themselves even though they are in a relatively easy group, only Bayern Munich is a team that is difficult for Manchester United to surpass, at least they can secure second place more quickly if they are able to maintain their performance like last season. This season's performance has disappointed many parties, including management who have spent large amounts of money to bring in quality players. MU fans will also not remain silent about the conditions experienced by their favorite team limping in the UCL, they will voice Ten Hag's dismissal for failing to meet the expectations of all parties.

As a result of wasting the opportunity that was before their eyes when they visited Galatasaray headquarters, now their chance of qualifying for the knockout rounds is very small. Galatasaray and Copenhagen will try to find a way to accompany Bayern Munich to the round of 16.

It's not like that, they just fail because of mistakes they didn't want to make. Basically all teams will fight for the opportunity to qualify for the round of 16 no matter how tough the opponent they face, but Manchester United failed to do so even though they shouldn't have been this bad. Galatasaray, Copenhagen are two teams that can be said to be no better than Manchester United, but the fact is that both teams were able to give their best because of their players' performance and good use of opportunities.

The match against Bayern Munich will be the last match for Manchester United to stay in Europe. I admit it was a very difficult match for Manchester United, but none of us can be sure what the final score of the match will be. Moreover, we also cannot be sure what will happen in the Copenhagen vs Galatasaray match, so there is still a possibility for Manchester United to qualify for the round of 16 by beating Bayern Munich and hoping that Copenhagen and Galatasaray play out a draw.

[hd49728]

It's not like that, they just fail because of mistakes they didn't want to make. Basically all teams will fight for the opportunity to qualify for the round of 16 no matter how tough the opponent they face, but Manchester United failed to do so even though they shouldn't have been this bad.

They really want to stay in Champions League and they have many star players who want to go far in Champions League. They are trying to go to knock out phases but their defense system is too weak to defend advantage they created from attacking. It happened in some matches with Copenhagen and Galatasaray.

Galatasaray, Copenhagen are two teams that can be said to be no better than Manchester United, but the fact is that both teams were able to give their best because of their players' performance and good use of opportunities.

Those teams are not too strong and are not big names in Champions League. Time when Galatasaray always brought fear to big clubs in Europe when they played at home stadium is many years ago. It seems they are coming back this season but they are still less powerful than they were like 20 years ago.

The match against Bayern Munich will be the last match for Manchester United to stay in Europe. I admit it was a very difficult match for Manchester United, but none of us can be sure what the final score of the match will be. Moreover, we also cannot be sure what will happen in the Copenhagen vs Galatasaray match, so there is still a possibility for Manchester United to qualify for the round of 16 by beating Bayern Munich and hoping that Copenhagen and Galatasaray play out a draw.

It is their last hope but Manchester United need double conditions and I think their chance to get both conditions, beating Bayern Munich and Galatasaray will only have a draw in match against Copenhagen, is very small. They will have to be ready for a bad ending in this group and be ready for play-offs with clubs in Europa League.

[Litzki1990]

For me, Man UTD's problem is bigger than we are seeing. For them getting into the Europa is if Bayern and Copenhagen will be lenient and that's a big probability I'm not willing to bet on. The team's good but the ownership and the coach is also affecting their way of playing. I'm already sure they won't qualify for Europa league but anything can happen.

Of course you have a point because Manchester United is having a serious challenges this season and however they don't even know were there problems is coming from and how to fixed it, because most of there previous matches has been one mistake to another even there last match against Galatasaray from the beginning of the match they were performing really well and scored two goals on the first half but how they were able to allow Galatasaray equalize the goal was what I don't understand.

And however the faith of Manchester United to qualify from there champions League group is still not certain and it depends on there performance against Bayern Munich, and considering what they played against Galatasaray I don't think they have hope on there match against Bayern Munich because Bayern Munich is too experience for them.

Manchester United are in bad form in the Champions League. Manchester United is far behind every other team in the points table.  Manchester United drew in the last match in the Champions League. Even after getting a point in the last match, they could not move to a good position in the points table. A tough opponent awaits Manchester United in the Champions League. Manchester United is definitely a strong opponent for Bayern Munich. 

Manchester United scored a goal in the last match but they couldn't resist the opposition's goal. Manchester United's goalkeeper made some common mistakes due to which Manchester United created a chance to win but could not win. A win against Bayern Munich is tough but Manchester United must play for 3 points against Bayern Munich or their Champions League dreams may end in the group stage.

[tusandii]

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Manchester United is making things difficult for themselves even though they are in a relatively easy group, only Bayern Munich is a team that is difficult for Manchester United to surpass, at least they can secure second place more quickly if they are able to maintain their performance like last season. This season's performance has disappointed many parties, including management who have spent large amounts of money to bring in quality players. MU fans will also not remain silent about the conditions experienced by their favorite team limping in the UCL, they will voice Ten Hag's dismissal for failing to meet the expectations of all parties.

As a result of wasting the opportunity that was before their eyes when they visited Galatasaray headquarters, now their chance of qualifying for the knockout rounds is very small. Galatasaray and Copenhagen will try to find a way to accompany Bayern Munich to the round of 16.

It's not like that, they just fail because of mistakes they didn't want to make. Basically all teams will fight for the opportunity to qualify for the round of 16 no matter how tough the opponent they face, but Manchester United failed to do so even though they shouldn't have been this bad. Galatasaray, Copenhagen are two teams that can be said to be no better than Manchester United, but the fact is that both teams were able to give their best because of their players' performance and good use of opportunities.

The match against Bayern Munich will be the last match for Manchester United to stay in Europe. I admit it was a very difficult match for Manchester United, but none of us can be sure what the final score of the match will be. Moreover, we also cannot be sure what will happen in the Copenhagen vs Galatasaray match, so there is still a possibility for Manchester United to qualify for the round of 16 by beating Bayern Munich and hoping that Copenhagen and Galatasaray play out a draw.

Yes, it's true, I also think like that when I watch every Manchester United match in the Champions League, they always try to look as good as possible and I'm happy to see Manchester score earlier than Galatasaray, but for some reason after that, the Manchester United players lost their consistency and conceded several times which made the score to be a draw while I hope Manchester united proves to the world that this club not a bad club as they say but unfortunately a very extraordinary effort has ended at the bottom of the group points table.
In the next match I want to see how Manchester United tries to get third place the group to qualify for the European League but it is very difficult because everyone knows that Bayern Munich currently has a mainstay player who can become a scoring machine that will put pressure on Manchester United defense and hopefully there won't be any surprises.

[onecall123]

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I wonder why Real are higher than City - City have virtually no weaknesses, while Real have them (at least on paper). In my opinion, the top three should look like: City, Bayern, Real Madrid.

City is a nightmare for opponents since they seem to have no weaknesses. But it's not surprising that Real Madrid stays at the top. They keep up their flawless Champions League performance with 5 wins out of 5. Real Madrid is killing it this season – 1st in La Liga, 1st in the UCL group stage. Even with injuries to key players, Madrid has stayed consistent.

[hyudien]

It was quite unbelievable to see how Manchester United messed up their Uefa Chamions League campaign this season by playing so badly despite being placed in a much easier group with only Bayern Munich being the most difficult team to handle. With only 4 points earned in Group A, Manchester United fans could only hope there will not be a match winner between FC Copenhagen and Galatasaray in the next upcoming final group match. Manchester United will also need to beat Bayern Munich at the stadium of Old Trafford to stand a chance to qualify for the next stage of the tournament.

Manchester United is making things difficult for themselves even though they are in a relatively easy group, only Bayern Munich is a team that is difficult for Manchester United to surpass, at least they can secure second place more quickly if they are able to maintain their performance like last season. This season's performance has disappointed many parties, including management who have spent large amounts of money to bring in quality players. MU fans will also not remain silent about the conditions experienced by their favorite team limping in the UCL, they will voice Ten Hag's dismissal for failing to meet the expectations of all parties.

As a result of wasting the opportunity that was before their eyes when they visited Galatasaray headquarters, now their chance of qualifying for the knockout rounds is very small. Galatasaray and Copenhagen will try to find a way to accompany Bayern Munich to the round of 16.

An off-field scheme could be between Galatasaray and Copenhagen who are trying to keep Man United out of the Champions League.  This of course does not rule out the possibility considering that Man United  facing Bayern Munich is a serious obstacle.  Playing at Old Trafford is not a big problem for the Bayern Munich team because  the Red Devils are no longer scary to face.  I agree actually in Group A Man United is still said to be safe but as  safe as it is Man United still can't prove that their game is promising. It's a shame that the front line  has been solid in building attacks but Onana has again put  himself in a position that United fans don't like. There was a lot of  speculation blaming Onana for the draw well when the front line struggled desperately to score 3 goals it ended  with sharing  points which didn't benefit Man United at all.

[KTChampions]

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I wonder why Real are higher than City - City have virtually no weaknesses, while Real have them (at least on paper). In my opinion, the top three should look like: City, Bayern, Real Madrid.

City is a nightmare for opponents since they seem to have no weaknesses. But it's not surprising that Real Madrid stays at the top. They keep up their flawless Champions League performance with 5 wins out of 5. Real Madrid is killing it this season – 1st in La Liga, 1st in the UCL group stage. Even with injuries to key players, Madrid has stayed consistent.

City also have 5 wins from 5 games in the group and although they are not currently leaders in the Premier League, their chances of winning the title are rated as 1.1, while Real's chances of winning the La Liga title are rated as 1.5. It is obvious to me who is the stronger team here (even on paper) and unfortunately it is not Real Madrid. Thank God the injured players should already be back in action by the time the meeting between Real and City in the Champions League becomes possible.

[davis196]

Manchester United didn't play bad against Galatasaray, but the mistakes made by Andre Onana were crucial for the end result.
Maybe Ten Hag should finally decide to use United's reserve goalkeeper and put Onana in the list of substitutes.
The other game I watched from this round of the group stage was Benfica-Inter. To be honest, I didn't see a penalty for Inter in the end.
The Inter player was clearly simulating. Anyway, lots of goals were scored, which is great for neutral fans like me.

[Rockstarguy]

Goal has been ranked the teams based on their power

https://www.goal.com/en/lists/champions-league-2023-24-power-rankings/

1. Real madrid
2. Manchester city
3. Arsenal
4. Bayern
5. Intermilan

To be honest, i would value intermilan far stronger compared with arsenal and it shall be in the third place. Seeing intermilan was able reaching UCL final last season but arsenal was not even entering into the UCL. In my opinion, the author's assessment of Arsenal's score seems somewhat unusual.

The thing that surprises me that if author has been placing manchester united as the weakest team in the UCL so far. It's only above braga which is a shame. I fully agreed with the author regarding the position of manchester united.

United is now a mediocre team in UCL. It's finished now and united has probably 10% chance to qualify for the knock out stage. It shows that how garbage manchester united under ten hag.

Quite a normal assessment (pair Arsenal - Inter). Arsenal are consistently good in the Premier League and in the group stage of the Champions League Arsenal are also playing convincingly. And Inter, although playing well in Serie A, is poor in the group stage - at the moment they are losing the group to Sociedad and all their victories were won with a minimum score.
I wonder why Real are higher than City - City have virtually no weaknesses, while Real have them (at least on paper). In my opinion, the top three should look like: City, Bayern, Real Madrid.

I will not rate Inter Milan better than arsenal on their performance last season just  because they reached finals in Champions league last season. This season Inter Milan is doing different which I think arsenal is better in performance than Inter Milan if the quality of both teams should be checked.  For the performance of manchester united in the Champions league game their is no hope if they can be able to qualify for champions league.  Manchester United are in a terrible condition which their performance in champions league and Premier league is not impressive.

[tiCeR]

I will not rate Inter Milan better than arsenal on their performance last season just  because they reached finals in Champions league last season. This season Inter Milan is doing different which I think arsenal is better in performance than Inter Milan if the quality of both teams should be checked.  For the performance of manchester united in the Champions league game their is no hope if they can be able to qualify for champions league.  Manchester United are in a terrible condition which their performance in champions league and Premier league is not impressive.

But that sounds like an inaccurate analysis to me. Inter Milan is deserving a lot of respect from week to week and their draw against Benfica was nuts. Arsenal lost their game against Lens 0-1 and could not come back from being one goal down while Inter Milan obliterated Benfica's 3-0 lead in a Champions League game. Inter Milan also played a remarkable final game against Manchester City that nobody thought could be possible.

The Serie A and the Premier League are still two different leagues in regards to quality of all the teams combined, but if there was a game Arsenal - Inter Milan, I think that would be most likely a coin flip.

[Majestic-milf]

Manchester United are still a strong brand and UEFA won't just let them drop out completely, just the europa league I think will suit everyone. Manchester United will be able to fight there more or less on equal terms with those teams that are there, which means that fans will still be able to see their team play at Old Trafford.

Are you insinuating that UEFA favors Man UTD? For me, I'd say that era has passed and I wouldn't advise them to depend on the football body to help them when they are not performing well. Their past games in the champions league that they lost to Copenhagen and drew to Galatasaray, you'd find out that they had an impressive two goal up lead but what happened? Why couldn't they hold on to it? And you think anything can be done to salvage their asses? Maybe they need to go home and sit this one out because I've checked their table and they have only four points to their name and being paired to play a team like Bayern on the 12th, they'd need all the miracle they can get to come out of that match unscathed.

Of course, Manchester's problems are complex and Onana is only a small part of them. Apparently at some point the management started to make mistakes and gradually one by one they started to pull the team down. First, they did not renew the contract with De Hea, then allowed Ten Hag to exclude players, and not always justifiably, and apparently the players gradually looking at everything that happens, realized that nothing good awaits them in this team and began to play without excitement, just working off the contract.

Well don't blame them too. They need help themselves. Don't you think the Glazer's family should have sold the club to someone who is more interested in seeing the club grow in all aspects and not just financially? Man UTD is a great club and I'm still waiting to see them becoming impactful like they were during those days they had Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Paul Scholes and the others.

[Miles2006]

I was impressed by the well deserve revenge. I did not anticipate that Arsenal would score five goals in the first half. Instead of six goals, I thought the game would end with one or two goals in favor of Arsenal. It was amazing to learn about the scorelines yesterday, and I can't explain why Lens flopped so badly.

Since Arsenal started in good form to play in the Champions League and Premier League this season, they did a good job of demonstrating their superiority over Lens and warning other teams to be mindful of them when they play against them.

Arsenal was the strongest team which score five goal in the first half itself,after this the Arsenal had start to play full defensive game.The Lens tried to counter attack for the five goals against them,but the strong Arsenal doesn't allow to score even one goal till the end of the game.This prove the dominating game of Arsenal in the Group B with this strong matches,even Lens was in the strong third position in the group B.This game again proves the strong position in the group,this will the warning message to the other team as like you said.With no surprise,Arsenal had scored his sixth goal at the end of the game and finish the game with 6-0 at the end of the match.

Indeed it's a warning to other teams that they should be careful of Arsenal when playing them,and one thing I have loved Arteta for is,not allowing a particular team to beat him twice.He has flogged all the teams that flogged them last season in the premier league.
Arsenal are among the teams I am tipping to finish first to 3rd in this year's champions league.I am optimistic that they will get to the semi final of this competition,and if care is not taken,they might probably go to the final as well.

I kept on watching yesterday's performance by the gunners,and to be frank,I am really happy with their performance of recent.They are beginning to have the mumentum they had from the start last season,and this time,they have experience,and know what to do to continue pressing forward.

Too real, Arsenal has never allowed any team win them twice and with what they played at Emirates stadium it's a clear  warning that they're not joking, just imagine in less than 21 mins 4 clean goals from Havertz, Gabriel, Saka, Martinelli , i believed Lens learnt new things during the match and my friend was like Lens will give reasons why they won Arsenal in the first leg. The gunners might likely go far but I don't know if they might win, the champions league, the competition seems tough and if any team is not prepared and ready they will be kick out.

[Blitzboy]

It was quite unbelievable to see how Manchester United messed up their Uefa Chamions League campaign this season by playing so badly despite being placed in a much easier group with only Bayern Munich being the most difficult team to handle. With only 4 points earned in Group A, Manchester United fans could only hope there will not be a match winner between FC Copenhagen and Galatasaray in the next upcoming final group match. Manchester United will also need to beat Bayern Munich at the stadium of Old Trafford to stand a chance to qualify for the next stage of the tournament.

Manchester United is making things difficult for themselves even though they are in a relatively easy group, only Bayern Munich is a team that is difficult for Manchester United to surpass, at least they can secure second place more quickly if they are able to maintain their performance like last season. This season's performance has disappointed many parties, including management who have spent large amounts of money to bring in quality players. MU fans will also not remain silent about the conditions experienced by their favorite team limping in the UCL, they will voice Ten Hag's dismissal for failing to meet the expectations of all parties.

As a result of wasting the opportunity that was before their eyes when they visited Galatasaray headquarters, now their chance of qualifying for the knockout rounds is very small. Galatasaray and Copenhagen will try to find a way to accompany Bayern Munich to the round of 16.

The current state of Manchester United frustrates me and fans. The Champions League is tough, but United's struggles appear self-inflicted. Their performance doesnt reflect their expensive acquisitions of quality players. Golden opportunity lost in Galatasaray draw. They must now beat Bayern Munich, a difficult task, and rely on other match outcomes. Its disappointing to watch a promising team fail.

Its hard for fans to watch United fail and maybe miss the knockout rounds. Rightfully, blame is rampant. Possible modifications to management and coaching decisions are under review. However, even if they magically pass the group stage, their form casts considerable doubt on their competition potential.

[indah rezqi]

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Of course you have a point because Manchester United is having a serious challenges this season and however they don't even know were there problems is coming from and how to fixed it, because most of there previous matches has been one mistake to another even there last match against Galatasaray from the beginning of the match they were performing really well and scored two goals on the first half but how they were able to allow Galatasaray equalize the goal was what I don't understand.

And however the faith of Manchester United to qualify from there champions League group is still not certain and it depends on there performance against Bayern Munich, and considering what they played against Galatasaray I don't think they have hope on there match against Bayern Munich because Bayern Munich is too experience for them.

Manchester United are in bad form in the Champions League. Manchester United is far behind every other team in the points table.  Manchester United drew in the last match in the Champions League. Even after getting a point in the last match, they could not move to a good position in the points table. A tough opponent awaits Manchester United in the Champions League. Manchester United is definitely a strong opponent for Bayern Munich. 

Manchester United scored a goal in the last match but they couldn't resist the opposition's goal. Manchester United's goalkeeper made some common mistakes due to which Manchester United created a chance to win but could not win. A win against Bayern Munich is tough but Manchester United must play for 3 points against Bayern Munich or their Champions League dreams may end in the group stage.

Personally, I doubt all scenarios for Manchester United to qualify for the round of 16. Even though they play at Old Trafford, I really doubt that Ten Hag squad can beat Bayern Munchen, even if they can, there's no point in winning. Because I am quite sure that the other two clubs, namely, Galatasaray versus Copenhagen, will beat each other to secure a slot in group A. This means that on matchday 6, there is little chance of a draw in these two matches. this is why I doubted United's fate of qualifying for the next stage, and Copenhagen to qualify then it was really a surprise.

It could be said that United chances are gone, and their next hope is to fight to get to the Europa League, that is if they succeed in beating Bayern. I think Ten Hag is now under great pressure again, their players also feel the same way. Ten Hag's fate is hanging in the balance, United management must be very angry with the club situation like this. How is it possible that Copenhagen and Galatasaray have collected more points, while we know that Manchester United is an elite club that is experienced in the Champions League.

[dezoel]

Manchester United didn't play bad against Galatasaray, but the mistakes made by Andre Onana were crucial for the end result.
Maybe Ten Hag should finally decide to use United's reserve goalkeeper and put Onana in the list of substitutes.
The other game I watched from this round of the group stage was Benfica-Inter. To be honest, I didn't see a penalty for Inter in the end.
The Inter player was clearly simulating. Anyway, lots of goals were scored, which is great for neutral fans like me.

Miserable season for the Manchester United with many on and off the field issues they are now out of the knock-out round because they are having Bayern Munich at Old Trafford and Copenhagen is going to host Galatasaray with this Manchester United having no option other than win and Copenhagen needs draw for the next round things are tricky because Bayern Munich in last match not able to score any goal against Copenhagen which is good for the Manchester United but still I am not favoring them.

Benfica done good job in this match but still their defense bring them down with from 3 - 0 to 3–3 is big slap for them from Inter Milan which is surely at their best in this season and having good chance for staying into hunt for the double after having good last season in Champions League they can go for another final.

[DaNNy001]

Goal has been ranked the teams based on their power

https://www.goal.com/en/lists/champions-league-2023-24-power-rankings/

1. Real madrid
2. Manchester city
3. Arsenal
4. Bayern
5. Intermilan

To be honest, i would value intermilan far stronger compared with arsenal and it shall be in the third place. Seeing intermilan was able reaching UCL final last season but arsenal was not even entering into the UCL. In my opinion, the author's assessment of Arsenal's score seems somewhat unusual.

The thing that surprises me that if author has been placing manchester united as the weakest team in the UCL so far. It's only above braga which is a shame. I fully agreed with the author regarding the position of manchester united.

United is now a mediocre team in UCL. It's finished now and united has probably 10% chance to qualify for the knock out stage. It shows that how garbage manchester united under ten hag.

Quite a normal assessment (pair Arsenal - Inter). Arsenal are consistently good in the Premier League and in the group stage of the Champions League Arsenal are also playing convincingly. And Inter, although playing well in Serie A, is poor in the group stage - at the moment they are losing the group to Sociedad and all their victories were won with a minimum score.
I wonder why Real are higher than City - City have virtually no weaknesses, while Real have them (at least on paper). In my opinion, the top three should look like: City, Bayern, Real Madrid.

I will not rate Inter Milan better than arsenal on their performance last season just  because they reached finals in Champions league last season. This season Inter Milan is doing different which I think arsenal is better in performance than Inter Milan if the quality of both teams should be checked.  For the performance of manchester united in the Champions league game their is no hope if they can be able to qualify for champions league.  Manchester United are in a terrible condition which their performance in champions league and Premier league is not impressive.

Manchester united are actually well aware of a solution to their problems but they do tend to shy away from the main issue and try to believe that things will get better which I know it won't and instead it will even get worse because this team is just something else. They playing form is currently fluctuating and most of the players here are just looking for a way to get rid of the arrogant coach ten hag.

For the rating of arsenal and inter Milan, well it's obviously clear that arsenal are playing more better despite the fact that inter were runners up last season. But the only thing is that inter Milan might get a better of the gunners maybe due to hard style of play.

[Roseline492]

I will not rate Inter Milan better than arsenal on their performance last season just  because they reached finals in Champions league last season. This season Inter Milan is doing different which I think arsenal is better in performance than Inter Milan if the quality of both teams should be checked.  For the performance of manchester united in the Champions league game their is no hope if they can be able to qualify for champions league.  Manchester United are in a terrible condition which their performance in champions league and Premier league is not impressive.

Of course there last season was okay but however for inter Milan reaching final in the champions League doesn't make them more better than Arsenal on the last season because Arsenal was also very much in a good form last season if not there mistake they did on the premier League they would have won the league, so the truth is that the both team were just doing very well on there various leagues they were playing.

But however Arsenal is far better than them this season in times of performance because Arsenal still maintains there last season performance by still leading on the premier League table and is very certain that even if they were unable to win the trophy this season but they are certain of the second position.