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December 10, 2023, 06:50:36 AM
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And the chances of a match ending in a draw are actually always very small. So expecting the Copenhagen vs Galatasaray match to get a draw is very unlikely. As you said, they will definitely fight to win and will not let the match end in a draw. But yes, even though the possibility is small, a draw can still happen. And that could be a miracle for Man United. But thinking that Man United beat Bayern seems quite difficult. Unless Bayern don't play their core players from the start. And only playing second tier players as the starting eleven.

But if Man United loses in this match then this will be a bad season for Man United in the Champions League. They struggled to get tickets to the Champions League last season. And then now they are only the bottom club in Group A. And even though this season they managed to get tickets to the Champions League again, maybe next season will be the same. And I think the competition in the EPL is now more difficult. So Man United may not be successful in getting tickets to the Champions League next season.
Group A games for the UCL are very much going to be calculative as the teams are in a situation where their fate rests on each other's shoulders. United can't afford to lose to Munich and even if they win, it'll be dependent on the outcome of Copenhagen and Galatasaray being a draw. And also for the latter teams, they'd strive to secure a win just so none would be left behind in the European cup. The main fact remains that one team advances with Munich, the other relegates to the UEL and the last gets disqualified from the contest.

 It'll be a tough midweek for the group as the odds for each of them are more or less in same range. Performance and final outcome cannot really be predicted. All that'll be the hindrance will be the tactics and the players efforts to the games. Hopefully there won't be referee errors and the game would go fairly. I personally would not vouch for any of the sides because certainly anything unpredictable can occur so its just best to hang around for the outcome.
But now I have more and more doubts about Man United. You also definitely saw him play last night in the EPL. Man United lost humiliatingly in front of their own supporters. And what was surprising was that they lost to Bournemouth who were actually not a strong team at all. And what was even more embarrassing was that Man United lost with a score of 0-3. This is the first time for me to see Man United being humiliated by 3 goals by an ordinary team and not by a strong team at Old Trafford.

Seeing Man United lose to Bournemouth will really be a hard blow for Man United fans. And I think it's difficult for us to bet on them in the next games. Especially if it is a match against Bayern. Bayern are currently in their best performance. Harry Kane and his friends will really be difficult to stop. So if Bayern uses their full strength then Man United will definitely lose quite painfully. I think Ten Heg really is hopeless this time.

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December 10, 2023, 06:53:39 AM
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Bayern Munich losing to Eintracht Frankfurt doesn't really looked like a surprise to me but my Surprise is the goal margin like winning by 5:1 for a club like Bayern Munich is really incredible and I feel that Bayern Munich will transfer the aggression of this match they lost to Eintracht Frankfurt against their champions league game with Manchester united as they will become Bayern Munich's prey. Bayern Munich is gonna play Manchester united with anger and with the poor performance of Manchester united in their league match against Bournemouth, I don't think they can really make any good impact in that game.

I knew that if manchester united is facing the most important situation in this season. I think that the loss against frankfurt will be affecting the performance from bayern when it's going to face manchester united soon. I think that there is also possible scenario let's say that if bayern was not playing seriously against frankfurt and it's keeping all of its stamina for the match against manchester united soon. This is the last chance for bayern to kick MU out from the UCL. Bayern needs to go all in caused by eliminating one strong club will become a very good achievement for bayern.
Manchester united is in the dead or alive situation caused by the result from its journey in UCL totally depends on the result from copenhagen vs galatasaray. These clubs are strong enough to kick manchester united out.
As long as galatasaray will able to win aginst copenhagen and MU will be out from UCl as soon as possible. Mu is also performing so poorly. It was losing a lot against medium tier club.

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December 10, 2023, 07:53:39 AM
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I don't see Manchester United reaching the last 16 of the Uefa Champions League this season, because Bayern Munich will want to use Manchester United to bounce back to their winning ways after experiencing a huge defeat against Eintracht Frankfurt in their local League.

I think no matter in how many Champions Leagues Manchester United played so far because we are not talking about the past and the past results of this team don't really matter because the fact about Manchester United is they are not in a good situation at all and Manchester United's performance in this season of Champions League was totally disappointing.


Manchester United have not yet found the right coach like Alex Ferguson, but all the coaches who handle the Red Devils have shown their lack of expertise in looking for players who are worthy of being included in the Red Devils squad. In fact, Erik ten Hag brought his former players from AFC Ajax to Manchester United but instead to build Manchester United like AFC Ajax..

But none of the players he brought in brought Manchester United back to glory. In fact, in the months of big clubs, not only in the Champions League in the English League, Manchester United was so disappointing in every match. In fact, it became increasingly unclear what Manchester United was doing. This season..

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December 10, 2023, 08:10:34 AM
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I don't see Manchester United reaching the last 16 of the Uefa Champions League this season, because Bayern Munich will want to use Manchester United to bounce back to their winning ways after experiencing a huge defeat against Eintracht Frankfurt in their local League.

I think no matter in how many Champions Leagues Manchester United played so far because we are not talking about the past and the past results of this team don't really matter because the fact about Manchester United is they are not in a good situation at all and Manchester United's performance in this season of Champions League was totally disappointing.

Could it be that Bayern Munich and Man United are playing around? in their respective domestic competitions they lost badly to lower level clubs. Bayern Munich was clearly the most surprising when their formation was confused by the Frankfurt players as was Man United. Does it both save energy for UCL and that's the strategy  Grin Grin

 What is clear is that Bayern Munich underestimated Frankfurt game because they felt they would not put up much resistance so they did not realize that there were still many gaps in Bayern  Munich defense  line that were left open. Meanwhile Man United  defeat to Bournemouth was fate. Due to the weak metal quality and poor teamwork  they were unable  to build an attack capable of scoring a goal and Andre Onana began to falter  and lost confidence.

I don't have much hope for the  upcoming match and Old Trafford is still  on Bayern Munich side. Erik Ten Hag will experience problem after problem  and after all  he has a big risk that he can no longer afford.

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December 10, 2023, 08:35:57 AM
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In other matches in the Group A phase, this match was quite interesting and unique for me. I have been monitoring the odds for the two teams for several days, but so far there has been no change. Uniquely, both teams both have odds @2.50. which means, this match can be said to be balanced based on the odds given by the bookie. well, if the scenario is like this. I believe United has a chance to beat Bayern at Old Trafford. But to be sure, I will patiently wait and confirm the system and composition of players from both teams. So, there are no other words other than let's just wait before the match takes place.

I don't know why the bookie gives the same odds between the two teams. But interesting things have happened in each club's league. Bayern suffered a heavy 1-5 defeat against Frankfurt, and United lost 0-3 against Bournemouth. The problem here is that this was Munich's first defeat in the league. This will certainly be a reference for other team managers to see efficient tactics that can be used to beat Munich. Although I'm not sure whether Munich really didn't expect to lose against Frankfurt or it was just their bad luck.

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December 10, 2023, 08:39:05 AM
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Even though Manchester United beat Bayern Munich,  Manchester United will need Copenhagen and Galatasaray match to end in a draw before they can be able to qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League. Copenhagen and Galatasaray will likely not end in a draw match because both teams want to qualify for the next round of the Uefa Champions League.
As long as Copenhagen and Galatasaray still have a chance to qualify for the next round, I think both teams will try to achieve it with the abilities they have so the possibility of a draw is very slim although it is also not impossible for that result. However, in general, every team that still has the opportunity to qualify for the next round by winning the match, they will definitely try to win and will not care about the fatigue they have to spend through the match.
Copenhagen and galatasaray have the same chances of qualifying. These clubs are performing better compared to another club. Copenhagen and galatasaray must be going all in for the last match. It's caused by the fate of these clubs in UCL will be determining from the result of that match. MU will become a serious spectator as it will also have its destiny to be determined from the match between galatasaray vs copenhagen. Ten hag needs also to use everything to win against bayern.

The winning condition is obviously needed by MU to anticipate if copenhagen and galatasaray will be drawn. Ten hag needs to push his tema to play beyond their limits. It's caused by bayern shall not be underrated.
Missing a point will be a disaster for manchester united caused by the draw is the condition needed by galatasaray and copenhagen to win the game.

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December 10, 2023, 08:51:44 AM
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I absolutely agree.
It was a very bad defeat for Bayern Munich, no one expected them to lose 5-1.
They will prepare seriously for the M.United game to make up for it. It's unfortunate for M.United. If they hadn't been defeated like that in the league, maybe M.United could have won.
They don't have to prepare seriously, they're already qualified for the next round, even Bayern Munich lose as big as 30 goals by Manchester United, it doesn't change their position.

I still believe Bayern Munich will not lose against Manchester United, Manchester United is really a weak team.

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December 10, 2023, 09:32:45 AM
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Manchester United have not yet found the right coach like Alex Ferguson, but all the coaches who handle the Red Devils have shown their lack of expertise in looking for players who are worthy of being included in the Red Devils squad. In fact, Erik ten Hag brought his former players from AFC Ajax to Manchester United but instead to build Manchester United like AFC Ajax..

But none of the players he brought in brought Manchester United back to glory. In fact, in the months of big clubs, not only in the Champions League in the English League, Manchester United was so disappointing in every match. In fact, it became increasingly unclear what Manchester United was doing. This season..
There is still a lot that needs to be improved about this club and Erik Ten Hag doesn't seem to be able to improve MU's performance to become stronger to take on its former glory days and in my opinion MU needs very talented star players as they used to have reliable players in the club and until now MU has not been able to get players like before and I am very sure that if MU had got talented players like in the past this club could regain its glory but not with Erik Ten Hag.
I really don't trust this coach anymore, even though previously I still believed in seeing MU qualify for the Champions League but it seems to have failed and I don't have any sympathy for the coach.

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December 10, 2023, 10:02:56 AM
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There is still a lot that needs to be improved about this club and Erik Ten Hag doesn't seem to be able to improve MU's performance to become stronger to take on its former glory days and in my opinion MU needs very talented star players as they used to have reliable players in the club and until now MU has not been able to get players like before and I am very sure that if MU had got talented players like in the past this club could regain its glory but not with Erik Ten Hag.
I really don't trust this coach anymore, even though previously I still believed in seeing MU qualify for the Champions League but it seems to have failed and I don't have any sympathy for the coach.
After losing in the domestic league, I think Erik Ten Hag really doubted his ability as a Man United coach to lift Man United into an elite team again. Erik Ten even gave Bournemouth their first win at Old Trafford, which he said was the most haunted stadium for opponents. With this defeat, it seems difficult to say that Man United will succeed in beating Bayern Munich in the deciding match for the group stage in the UCL. Even though Bayern Munich also suffered a big defeat in the domestic league, I am sure that this match will be won by Bayern Munich.

Because Ten Hag seems to have difficulty adapting when things don't go well. He is a good manager but perhaps lacks the flexibility and ability to work with who is fit or how the game is going. It is ironic that they underperformed because Ten hag tried to implement possession-based football as he was told. But Erik Tag doesn't have the players to do it all. Most of these young players have already reached celebrity status and the hunger is gone. He would thrive at a smaller club like Everton or Wolves, where the players are still chasing a higher level of excellence.

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December 10, 2023, 10:05:10 AM
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In other matches in the Group A phase, this match was quite interesting and unique for me. I have been monitoring the odds for the two teams for several days, but so far there has been no change. Uniquely, both teams both have odds @2.50. which means, this match can be said to be balanced based on the odds given by the bookie. well, if the scenario is like this. I believe United has a chance to beat Bayern at Old Trafford. But to be sure, I will patiently wait and confirm the system and composition of players from both teams. So, there are no other words other than let's just wait before the match takes place.

I don't know why the bookie gives the same odds between the two teams. But interesting things have happened in each club's league. Bayern suffered a heavy 1-5 defeat against Frankfurt, and United lost 0-3 against Bournemouth. The problem here is that this was Munich's first defeat in the league. This will certainly be a reference for other team managers to see efficient tactics that can be used to beat Munich. Although I'm not sure whether Munich really didn't expect to lose against Frankfurt or it was just their bad luck.
It was a shock loss to Bayern Munich in their yesterday match against Eintracht Frankfurt. Manchester United's performance against Bournemouth will give Bayern Munich the motivation to play at Old Trafford with no fear when they visit Manchester United in the Uefa Champions League.

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December 10, 2023, 10:16:54 AM
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There is still a lot that needs to be improved about this club and Erik Ten Hag doesn't seem to be able to improve MU's performance to become stronger to take on its former glory days and in my opinion MU needs very talented star players as they used to have reliable players in the club and until now MU has not been able to get players like before and I am very sure that if MU had got talented players like in the past this club could regain its glory but not with Erik Ten Hag.
I really don't trust this coach anymore, even though previously I still believed in seeing MU qualify for the Champions League but it seems to have failed and I don't have any sympathy for the coach.
After losing in the domestic league, I think Erik Ten Hag really doubted his ability as a Man United coach to lift Man United into an elite team again, Erik Ten even gave Bournemouth their first win at Old Trafford. With this defeat, it seems difficult to say that Man United will succeed in beating Bayern Munich in the deciding match for the group stage in the UCL. Even though Bayern Munich also suffered a big defeat in the domestic league, I am sure that this match will be won by Bayern Munich.

Because Ten Hag seems to have difficulty adapting when things don't go well. He is a good manager but perhaps lacks the flexibility and ability to work with who is fit or how the game is going. It is ironic that they underperformed because Ten hag tried to implement possession-based football as he was told. But Erik Tag doesn't have the players to do it all. Most of these young players have already reached celebrity status and the hunger is gone. He would thrive at a smaller club like Everton or Wolves, where the players are still chasing a higher level of excellence.
Erik Ten Hag is without doubt a good manager who knows how to manage his team but for a big club like Manchester United, he's not the kind of manager they need at the moment. He doesn't possess the tactical and technical experience to improve the club from their current state and that's I think he's a good manager for average teams and not a traditional European big club like Manchester United. The management of the club is yet to criticize his style of coaching which I think means that they're comfortable with him managing the club.

Manchester United play their last game in the group stage of the UEFA Champions League competition on Tuesday night against Bayern and would need to win the German champions and hope Copenhagen plays out a draw against Galatasaray before they can be able to progress to knockout stages. I don't think Manchester United can reach the knockout stages with this set of players and I'll be very shocked to see Ten Hag remain at the club to the end of the season.


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December 10, 2023, 10:21:12 AM
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Because Ten Hag seems to have difficulty adapting when things don't go well. He is a good manager but perhaps lacks the flexibility and ability to work with who is fit or how the game is going. It is ironic that they underperformed because Ten hag tried to implement possession-based football as he was told. But Erik Tag doesn't have the players to do it all. Most of these young players have already reached celebrity status and the hunger is gone. He would thrive at a smaller club like Everton or Wolves, where the players are still chasing a higher level of excellence.
That's why to build a club it's better to train a lower level club so that it's easier to quickly adapt to the players compared to a well-known club which might find it a bit difficult to adapt with well-known players in it, let alone manage it. I believe that to build a great club It can't be one or two seasons, maybe it will take several seasons to make it a solid and strong team, I don't know how long Ten Hag will last at Manchester United.

I don't blame Ten Hag and also the Manchester United players, but there are times when people have to understand that every club is not always at the top, look at some of the other matches that are happening right now, even Munich was also beaten by Frankfurt with a landslide score, not only Manchester United suffered. defeat, there are important factors that we don't know why they lost. I think they will learn from the loss.

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December 10, 2023, 10:31:13 AM
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I think the possible scenario on Tuesday will be like this: Manchester United will win against Bayern Munich somehow. However Copenhagen or Galatasaray will be the winner in the other match which will hinder Manchester United from advancing to next round in the Champions League. This will probably cause Erik ten Hag to start being criticized even harsher.

If this scenario happens I hope the winner of the Copenhagen - Galatasaray match can be Galatasaray.  Smiley  I respect Copenhagen's big effort also of course. But I still think Galatasaray deserve more thinking of their capacity in this tournament with these great players.

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December 10, 2023, 11:07:12 AM
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I think the possible scenario on Tuesday will be like this: Manchester United will win against Bayern Munich somehow. However Copenhagen or Galatasaray will be the winner in the other match which will hinder Manchester United from advancing to next round in the Champions League. This will probably cause Erik ten Hag to start being criticized even harsher.

If this scenario happens I hope the winner of the Copenhagen - Galatasaray match can be Galatasaray.  Smiley  I respect Copenhagen's big effort also of course. But I still think Galatasaray deserve more thinking of their capacity in this tournament with these great players.
Yes, that possibility could happen, but the pressure is clearly on Manchester United's side. Galatasaray and Copenhagen will definitely beat each other and they will avoid a draw. But Bayern Munich has just been injured and I suspect Tuchel will not let United party, this concerns the mentality of the Munich players so they will return to hunting for victory even though they already hold a ticket to advance to the knockout phase. Erik Ten Hag will also do everything he can to win but their ticket still depends on the results of the other team. I predict Bayern Munich and Galatasaray will represent group A to advance to the next round.

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December 10, 2023, 11:18:30 AM
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I think the possible scenario on Tuesday will be like this: Manchester United will win against Bayern Munich somehow. However Copenhagen or Galatasaray will be the winner in the other match which will hinder Manchester United from advancing to next round in the Champions League. This will probably cause Erik ten Hag to start being criticized even harsher.

If this scenario happens I hope the winner of the Copenhagen - Galatasaray match can be Galatasaray.  Smiley  I respect Copenhagen's big effort also of course. But I still think Galatasaray deserve more thinking of their capacity in this tournament with these great players.
Considering how Bayern played their last match in the Bundesliga, it is clear that they have problems with defense, by the way, this was noticeable in their first game. I think Manchester United have a good chance of winning this match, since Tuchel will probably not bring the main squad to this game. For Manchester United, the whole difficulty lies in the fact that the situation depends not only on them.

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December 10, 2023, 11:45:01 AM
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I think the possible scenario on Tuesday will be like this: Manchester United will win against Bayern Munich somehow. However Copenhagen or Galatasaray will be the winner in the other match which will hinder Manchester United from advancing to next round in the Champions League. This will probably cause Erik ten Hag to start being criticized even harsher.

If this scenario happens I hope the winner of the Copenhagen - Galatasaray match can be Galatasaray.  Smiley  I respect Copenhagen's big effort also of course. But I still think Galatasaray deserve more thinking of their capacity in this tournament with these great players.
Considering how Bayern played their last match in the Bundesliga, it is clear that they have problems with defense, by the way, this was noticeable in their first game. I think Manchester United have a good chance of winning this match, since Tuchel will probably not bring the main squad to this game. For Manchester United, the whole difficulty lies in the fact that the situation depends not only on them.
What happened in Bayern's match in the Bundesliga when they suffered a big defeat which was quite surprising was a surprise and I don't see any mistakes in the Bayern team but indeed a team sometimes makes mistakes, that's normal.
However, regarding the possibility of Manchester United winning the match, I think it is still wide open, regardless of Bayern's poor performance in the last match, but with the possibility that Bayern will definitely qualify from the group phase as leaders of the standings, their motivation will no longer be there in the last match and will almost be eliminated. Make sure Tauchle will make lots of player rotations to maintain the fitness of his main players, this is beneficial for Manchester United to be able to win.

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December 10, 2023, 11:54:23 AM
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I still believe Bayern Munich will not lose against Manchester United, Manchester United is really a weak team.

Manchester United said to be a really weak team is arguable. I don’t consider Manchester United to be a weak team. They might be having a bad spell at the moment, with their inconsistent performance, not playing at their best and losing games. But they’re certainly not a weak team.
Anything is possible in football and there’s still the potential of Manchester United winning that champions league game against Bayern Munich. The potential may not be much but it’s still there.

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December 10, 2023, 12:08:37 PM
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After losing in the domestic league, I think Erik Ten Hag really doubted his ability as a Man United coach to lift Man United into an elite team again. Erik Ten even gave Bournemouth their first win at Old Trafford, which he said was the most haunted stadium for opponents. With this defeat, it seems difficult to say that Man United will succeed in beating Bayern Munich in the deciding match for the group stage in the UCL. Even though Bayern Munich also suffered a big defeat in the domestic league, I am sure that this match will be won by Bayern Munich.
Bayern Munich made their biggest mistake in the match against Frankfurt namely underestimating the hosts. Maybe Tuchel assessed the results in the previous few matches which showed Frankfurt poor performance. However the Bundesliga mostly has more surprises from the lower teams so that Bayern Munich which was relaxing and relaxing actually fell into the trap of Frankfurt game. Even though they didn't dominate the field Frankfurt was effective in launching quick sharp counter-attacks when the back line was wide open. The big question in this match is why the legendary goalkeeper Neuer could barely make any saves. He looked like he had lost his best form after coming back from a long injury.

Because Ten Hag seems to have difficulty adapting when things don't go well. He is a good manager but perhaps lacks the flexibility and ability to work with who is fit or how the game is going. It is ironic that they underperformed because Ten hag tried to implement possession-based football as he was told. But Erik Tag doesn't have the players to do it all. Most of these young players have already reached celebrity status and the hunger is gone. He would thrive at a smaller club like Everton or Wolves, where the players are still chasing a higher level of excellence.
For any weak club in the Premier League today Old Trafford is no longer a bad stadium but a stadium that will benefit the visiting club. Erik Ten Hag was aware from the start that he was unable to control the Man United club and players. He was just pushing himself and risking his own abilities. Just waiting for United fans  to reach the limit of their patience because they don't want their favorite team to keep losing. If a demonstration occurs  at Man United Headquarters  and demands that Ten Hag leave immediately this is a reasonable action and must be  taken as soon as possible. don't underestimate the defeat against  Bournemouth because this is  their biggest history  in the  Premier League.

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December 10, 2023, 12:35:51 PM
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In other matches in the Group A phase, this match was quite interesting and unique for me. I have been monitoring the odds for the two teams for several days, but so far there has been no change. Uniquely, both teams both have odds @2.50. which means, this match can be said to be balanced based on the odds given by the bookie. well, if the scenario is like this. I believe United has a chance to beat Bayern at Old Trafford. But to be sure, I will patiently wait and confirm the system and composition of players from both teams. So, there are no other words other than let's just wait before the match takes place.

I don't know why the bookie gives the same odds between the two teams. But interesting things have happened in each club's league. Bayern suffered a heavy 1-5 defeat against Frankfurt, and United lost 0-3 against Bournemouth. The problem here is that this was Munich's first defeat in the league. This will certainly be a reference for other team managers to see efficient tactics that can be used to beat Munich. Although I'm not sure whether Munich really didn't expect to lose against Frankfurt or it was just their bad luck.
It was a shock loss to Bayern Munich in their yesterday match against Eintracht Frankfurt. Manchester United's performance against Bournemouth will give Bayern Munich the motivation to play at Old Trafford with no fear when they visit Manchester United in the Uefa Champions League.

Me too, but yeah, that's the poor result achieved by bayern. I never predicted that if bayern would be humiliated by frankfurt like this. Frankfurt was also showing an unbelievable performance. Im concerning about this thing whether bayern is declining or frankfurt who has been even stronger than before? I hope that if bayern will be trying to reevaluate its loss against frankfurt. It's very embarrassing result to lose with such very big scores against frankfurt. Bayern will go to the old trafford and ih hope that bayern will able to perform even better than before.

Bayern needs to get draw against united or beat it. It will help copenhagen or galatasaray to go to the knock out stage. I hope that galatasaray will make it to go to the knockout stage.
Galatasaray deserves to finish at the second spot. The team was strong enough to face other big clubs in the last 16.

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December 10, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
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It was a shock loss to Bayern Munich in their yesterday match against Eintracht Frankfurt. Manchester United's performance against Bournemouth will give Bayern Munich the motivation to play at Old Trafford with no fear when they visit Manchester United in the Uefa Champions League.
I never expected Bayern Munich will be at such loss as they did yesterday, I even expected they would win with ease against Frankfurt. Bayern Munich seem to be dropping points recently, considering that Frankfurt is an average team at the seventh position on the table, it was very much expected that Bayern would win or even get a draw.

Judging by their performance yesterday, I think it's going to be a tough one against Manchester united except if by then, they would have gotten pass their loss because I feel somehow that this is really going to affect them a little but I hope tuchl gets a better tactics which he will be using later, Manchester united could be likened to Frankfurt currently so Munich will be facing another Frankfurt this week, Manchester united has gotten an advantage but I hope they definitely get to u

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