UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season

[poodle63]

Barcelona progress in the UCL this season is considered unsatisfactory, because they have lost twice in the group phase, but who knows in the future they will develop even better. Likewise with the Blaugrana performance in La Liga, they are now having difficulty leading the standings.

I think if they get easy opponents in the round of 16, Barcelona can move to the next stage or the quarter finals. However, we need to wait for the drawing first and see who their opponents are there. Of course, Xavi has to improve his club to be better, to be able to talk a lot in the UCL, because so far Barcelona is not the favorite to win the UCL.

Yes, that's right, because it is difficult for Xavi to rotate players to choose the quality of players who will play in each of their matches, especially in a busy schedule, it is not easy to focus and concentrate on two matches in Laliga as well as in the UCL, of course not only Barcelona, even other clubs too. the same, so it's not strange if top clubs experience defeat because they don't play focused and consistent in maintaining stamina and performance too.

There is still time for Barcelona to catch up, but right now they also have to focus on the UCL championship, even though they are not sure they will make it to the semi-finals or final, because there are many tough opponents they have to face with the composition of their players currently still relatively unknown. so good enough to be able to make it to that point, hopefully Barcelona will meet a balanced opponent in the next round of the round of 16.

I said that Barcelona's form is going downhill. Last year, they were champions. This year, they were defeated by small teams. Barcelona's form began to decline after a 2-4 defeat at home against Girona. Barcelona also received a surprising defeat against Antwerp in the Champions League. The weak defeats and conflicts within the team are warning bells about the end of Xavi's reign at Barcelona.
Barcelona, under Xavi, shows an entirely different face, more fragile. The whole team still needs to improve to continue to advance and win.

I can't really called that girona as a small team anymore. It was a part of manchester city and it has lots of potential to be big. Barcelona is having dozens of unsolved problems especially related to the financial issues faced by the club. This has become the main problem owned by barcelona. Bareclona may not be able to defend its trophy achieved last season. Real madrid and girona are too strong for barcelona. Xavi has been trying so hard to build its club again but it keeps failed this season.
Im really sure that if barcelona will try to hire another striker to replace lewandowski. There may be some players to come. Xavi is a coach with very old philosophy. Barcelona needs to hire someone who can implement the modern football.
The era of tictac strategy has gone and it's time to think about how to win the game rather than how to play beautifully against your opponent. This is my main concern regarding the condition faced by barcelona.

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[Oluwa-btc]

I am pretty surprised that you still think he is a good coach and he's just being unlucky. He is just bad. And he will not be able to make Manchester United improve. In my opinion, he never was able to improve Manchester United.  And now it is just evident. That's why people are actually losing their minds. In my opinion, he was never a good coach. He had no clear plan of what to do. He just tried a bunch of things and previously that seemed to work out for some reason. But now it is not working anymore.

Lol! You don't have to be surprised, Earlier this year, he made a good point about trying to fix Manchester United, he also knows about the risk's involved and still wanted the job because he knows the fans and what they want. If you call Erik Ten Hag a bad manager what would you call Eddie Howe?? Aren't they in the same condition?

They both qualified them respective clubs for the champions league ( Erik Ten Hag even went ahead to win a trophy which Eddie Howe didn't ) but have you compared the hits and criticisms? They've both been knocked out of the competition maintaining ssme position ( bottom holders in them various groups )

So why has Erik Ten Hag received more criticisms? I know they aren't managing same club and has different standards. They have also seen their best players Injured, why so much bashing on Erik Ten Hag? The management of Newcastle don't even have plans of sacking Eddie already. I'm disappointed with a lot of Manchester United fans who wants change but lacks patience, infact they disgust me.

Erik Ten Hag should be given time, he's the best man for the Manchester United job as far as I'm concerned. Get him the right players and Fvck the Glazers out of Manchester United. I wonder how some of y'all watch football.

[wakier]

I am pretty surprised that you still think he is a good coach and he's just being unlucky. He is just bad. And he will not be able to make Manchester United improve. In my opinion, he never was able to improve Manchester United.  And now it is just evident. That's why people are actually losing their minds. In my opinion, he was never a good coach. He had no clear plan of what to do. He just tried a bunch of things and previously that seemed to work out for some reason. But now it is not working anymore.

Ten hag isn't a good coach and I will agree with you because he has been given more than enough time to prove himself otherwise but then he hasn't been able to prove it. He did made everyone felt he was a good coach when last season he was able to get the team to finishing amongst the top four and did qualified for the UCL .

I doubt if ten hag will be able to achieve the same. Which he did achieved last season so it will be more ideal and better if he's relived of his duty so the team could look for a better replacement and probably see how well they will be able to make something out of this season,  ten hag like you rightly stated have not made any clear stated plan for this season probably a trophy he is aim at at and will make sure to winning by all possible means it just more like he's just comfortable staying at the participatory levels without probably solid plans of becoming the champions, yeah he doesn't seem like a good coach.

More precisely, Ten Hag is not a coach who is really suitable for Manchester Utd. If the coach is able to make Manchester Utd achieve good results and unlike this, maybe there won't be many insults thrown at the coach, it is true that he can make Manchester Utd achieve good results. was good last season and was able to bring Manchester Utd to finish in 3rd place and get a ticket to the UCL but in reality Ten Hag could not maintain that good result this season and instead it was getting worse and even this team's chance to qualify for the next round of the UCL was simply destroyed because of Manchester Utd continue to make many mistakes and now they have to experience deep disappointment.

   It seems that the winning mentality is no longer in Manchester Utd's mind if they are in the same performance because the EPL team is full of strong teams such as Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Aston Villa, these teams will block Man Utd's progress to win the championship. Moreover, Man Utd's condition is uncertain and not very good, so everyone certainly doubts that Ten Hag will not be able to make Man Utd win any title.

[Despairo]

I can't really called that girona as a small team anymore. It was a part of manchester city and it has lots of potential to be big. Barcelona is having dozens of unsolved problems especially related to the financial issues faced by the club. This has become the main problem owned by barcelona. Bareclona may not be able to defend its trophy achieved last season. Real madrid and girona are too strong for barcelona. Xavi has been trying so hard to build its club again but it keeps failed this season.

Although Girona is owned by City Football Group, but Girona isn't actually spend a lot money to strengthen their club, they only sign player under 10 Million Euros and some of them are on borrowed. Actually Barcelona was spend 35 Million Euros for Vitor Roque, so they're should be better than Girona.

Girona is playing with unpopular players, so I don't see money is a big part of their improvement.

[Weawant]

Xavi has been doing a good job at Barcelona, honestly I don't know what you expect from him but come on he won them the league last season. Barcelona has been in financial problem for quite some time now and it's not Xavi fault. He is not having the best players he would have loved to buy but he is making due of what is at his disposal. He shouldn't win the league all season to prove that he is a good manager. If Barcelona sacks Xavi which coach will they bring in that will perform magic with Barcelona financial challenges?

Your opinion is very much valid, xavi is a good coach and should be regarded as one regardless of the current situation at Barcelona which is clearly not his fault and at the time almost beyond his powers to help the team beyond that which he knows he can possibly do but then just like every other fans, Barcelona fans will definitely want to throw some blames at him.

He was able to help the team win the league title last Season in their domestic league and aswell has been able to help the team qualify pas the group stage in the UCL this season so far, so it could definitely be said of him that he is trying especially been able to work with what is made available to him due to financial constraints on the club, so the current situation of the team is one which should be given more time and hopefully they will get back on their feet and if they are able to get another trophy by the end of the season, it will definitely go along way to help alleviate the financial crisis the team is facing currently.

[nara1892]

I am pretty surprised that you still think he is a good coach and he's just being unlucky. He is just bad. And he will not be able to make Manchester United improve. In my opinion, he never was able to improve Manchester United.  And now it is just evident. That's why people are actually losing their minds. In my opinion, he was never a good coach. He had no clear plan of what to do. He just tried a bunch of things and previously that seemed to work out for some reason. But now it is not working anymore.

I agree with you, but the problem is that Ten Hag doesn't admit it in front of the media and continues to ramble on as if everything he does is a good decision. Surprisingly, Ten Hag is not good at covering up mistakes so no one knows at Man United that he has not made any improvements so far. Because the players realized that Ten Hag's strategy was not effective in making the opponent lose. From the selection of players who are believed to show many negative points, they are unable to improve the team as a whole. Buying Mason Mount is just to prolong the injury the choice of goalkeeper is worse than De Gea, buying Ajax players also doesn't seem to really contribute. So Ten Hag still doesn't recognize this kind of thing and is even more ignorant.

[JeffBrad12]

I thought Erik Ten Hag was a good coach when he came to Manchester United last season. He was sure he was going to end the era of Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp in the Premier League. With the performance of Manchester United both in the Premier League and Champions League this season, it is proven that Erik Ten Hag is nowhere near Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp.

Last season? ten hag was staying on manchester united for years. There was no progress being made by him in MU. i would prefer liverpool to play in UCL rather than manchester united. having MU in UCL was only giving embarrassing result for the EPL.
Newcastle was also a flop as it was unable passing the group stage. Mu and newcastle are showing terrible performance. It makes me feel so upset when i was watching their matches in UCL.
It likes there was no improvement that is happening in manchester united nor newcastle united. I can only pray for ten hag to be sacked by united and then club can get a better replacement for him.

[8rch7]

At the end of the group stage UEFA Champions league 2023/2024, the following teams qualified for the Champions League knockout phase
England: Manchester City, Arsenal
Spain: Real Madrid, Real Sociedad, Barcelona, Atlético
Germany: Bayern Munich, RB Leipzig, Borussia Dortmund
Netherlands: PSV Eindhoven
Italy: Inter, Lazio, Napoli
Denmark: Copenhagen
France: PSG
Portugal: Porto

The pots for the round of 16 draw is as follows:
Pot 1 (seeded teams, group winners): Bayern, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Real Sociedad, Manchester City, Barcelona, Dortmund, Atlético
Pot 2 (unseeded teams, group runners-up): Copenhagen, PSV, Napoli, Inter, RB Leipzig, Porto, PSG, Lazio

The round of 16 draw will take place on Monday, Dec. 18, at the House of European Football in Nyon, Switzerland.

Reference: https://www.marca.com/en/football/champions-league/2023/12/14/657a3663ca4741732c8b45ad.html

Difficult opponent teams on 16 round for teams who qualified and have been in pot 2, Inter, PSG and Napoli get potential will face top teams such as Arsenal, PSG and Bayern Munich. The Pot 1 teams will face teams from Pot 2 but have an exceptional not with the same group and not come from the same country. Example Real Madrid will face with second Pot teams except with Napoli because they are on the same group and teams potential will be opponent for Real Madrid are teams on pot 2 except Napoli. Another example with Bayern Munich potential opponent teams on round 16 teams from Pot 2 except with Copenhagen are the same group and RB Leipzig because they are from the Bundesliga teams. Personally I want to see drawing 16 round Barcelona vs PSG and seems both teams have potential face on 16 round but waiting the drawing match on Monday.

[Texac]

Although PSG seems not as strong as Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, or Man City but they are not impossible to reach the final round and even win the UCL trophy. Sure, PSG got difficulty in the group F, they didn't seem like a favorite team to win UCL. However, UCL often brings surprises, smaller team doesn't always mean to be defeated in the knock-out round. You can't claim PSG will be eliminated soon in the round of 16. PSG isn't a bad team, dude. They have capability to beat any team in UCL this season if they can play solidly as a team.

Mate, I know Paris Saint-German has all it takes to beat any club in the Uefa Champions League, but I want to say that this present PSG team does not have the capability to beat any club In the Uefa Champions League. Real Madrid is one of the favorite clubs that can win this Uefa Champions League trophy this season.

Dortmund have done well in the Champions league group F and they appear to be more creative and tactical than the PSG and AC Milan. Newcastle showed a zero capacity in the midst of these clubs and that is why they could not bring any capacity to the table. I thought earlier that the battle will be between PSG and AC Milan before the champions league kick-off. But now, Dortmund have shown the most important efforts in the group F. Now, Dortmund have 11 strong points whereas PSG has 8 point after they slightly got a draw with Emeri's goal which also made them qualified.

The new Qatari ownership of PSG have eyed the Champions league trophy but with their level of performance this year, I'm a bit skeptical about their winning and it will seem to be easy to elude them. Before now the club had Messi and Neymar doing the wonderful jobs for them, now it is like, Mbappe is their goal machine left, but I also like the young player Emeri that scored that goal is also very promising.

PSG and Dortmund both have done well. But PSG actually had a close call. They actually almost missed going to the next stage of the champions League competition. Dortmund has done well in the champions League competition so far. But at the expense of not performing well in the Bundesliga competition. And I believe I'm going forward in the Champions League competition, they might actually perform worse. But I guess they have already thought that they are not winning the business leader title because it is going to be Bayern Munich who wins the title every season. And now Bayer Leverkusen has improved their performance. So they will have less chance to win the Bundesliga title so they are concentrating on the Champions League. Probably that could be a thing.

[hahay]

I can't really called that girona as a small team anymore. It was a part of manchester city and it has lots of potential to be big. Barcelona is having dozens of unsolved problems especially related to the financial issues faced by the club. This has become the main problem owned by barcelona. Bareclona may not be able to defend its trophy achieved last season. Real madrid and girona are too strong for barcelona. Xavi has been trying so hard to build its club again but it keeps failed this season.

Although Girona is owned by City Football Group, but Girona isn't actually spend a lot money to strengthen their club, they only sign player under 10 Million Euros and some of them are on borrowed. Actually Barcelona was spend 35 Million Euros for Vitor Roque, so they're should be better than Girona.

Girona is playing with unpopular players, so I don't see money is a big part of their improvement.

But yes, at least next season it looks like Girona will definitely be able to play in the Champions League. So, regarding Girona which is owned by the City Football Group then of course, if Girona manages to finish in the top four and/or succeeds in getting the La Liga title this season, then of course Girona will improve the quality of their squad by recruiting several players who have great potential of course.

Because yes, even though at this moment Girona is successful with a squad that doesn't have a high price tag but ya, when it comes to playing in the Champions League then of course they will still need players who have above average quality. So ya, if we compare Girona with Barcelona at this moment, then of course Girona is still better than Barcelona at the moment.

[imamusma]

I am pretty surprised that you still think he is a good coach and he's just being unlucky. He is just bad. And he will not be able to make Manchester United improve. In my opinion, he never was able to improve Manchester United.  And now it is just evident. That's why people are actually losing their minds. In my opinion, he was never a good coach. He had no clear plan of what to do. He just tried a bunch of things and previously that seemed to work out for some reason. But now it is not working anymore.

I agree with you, but the problem is that Ten Hag doesn't admit it in front of the media and continues to ramble on as if everything he does is a good decision. Surprisingly, Ten Hag is not good at covering up mistakes so no one knows at Man United that he has not made any improvements so far. Because the players realized that Ten Hag's strategy was not effective in making the opponent lose. From the selection of players who are believed to show many negative points, they are unable to improve the team as a whole. Buying Mason Mount is just to prolong the injury the choice of goalkeeper is worse than De Gea, buying Ajax players also doesn't seem to really contribute. So Ten Hag still doesn't recognize this kind of thing and is even more ignorant.

Actually, what is more confusing here is that Manchester United management still entrusts Ten Hag status as head coach, after a series of unsatisfactory results in the UCL. Maybe they have received a lot of criticism and suggestions, but it seems they have ignored it in order to maintain Ten Hag for a longer period of time. It could also be that there is something that we all don't know regarding the reasons why management has not yet decided on its stance. What is clear is that United failure in the group phase is a form of decline in their performance.

United movements in the transfer market by bringing in new players did not go according to expectations, in fact it seemed like they were going nowhere. The contribution made by them is very small, and the budget spent when bringing them in seems wasted. There is a big possibility that United will miss next season in the UCL, because their position in the EPL standings is also in poor condition, so all of Ten Hag efforts this season will lead to failure, in other words, United will be unlucky.

[Volgastallion]

I was thinking, we just experienced the last Champions League phase group min this format, i think this is sad in some points, we are abandoning the system who make Champions League what it is.
Lets hope next year format make even better the competition.

[sana54210]

The following is the income of each team in the 23/24 Champions League group stage and as can be seen, Real Madrid and Manchester City dominate the income figures. The two championship candidate teams received 42 million euros for successfully advancing to the round of 16 with 6 complete wins. On the other hand, Barcelona also received enough fresh funds of 32 million euros which they will definitely use to spend on players in January.

But not only Barcelona but other teams also seem to be doing the same thing and it depends on the management to arrange it. Apart from that, teams that do not qualify will still receive an injection of funds, even though the amount is not that large. That's why the Champions League is always a target for big teams in Europe to compete every season because the income from the group stages alone is quite tempting.

Even the champions league creates a big gap of income, and this is with just rewards, when you think about the merchandise being sold, tickets, and all the things that teams are making during the day, you will realize that the gap is even bigger. When you have big clubs, rich owner or not, end up making this much money, you realize that maybe the big teams will always end up being the big teams and will not change anytime soon.

We are going to have all these three cups turn into a league system soon enough, in a few years it will all be league system, but teams will face like 8 or 10 teams, not more, instead of 6. The day it becomes like 16 games per season, and then even more, that will change something for the good, it will be just insane profits for everyone.

[red4slash]

Manchester United seems to have definitely understood the current situation and it would be very naive if there was no action on this so I think sooner or later Ten Hag's position in the coach will not be safe at this time even though previously many Manchester United officials and legends still continued to support Ten Hag as coach but now it seems that this will be very different in terms of the results received by Manchester United at this time.

According to some German media, they are already looking for a new coach and I can completely understand that. It was clear from the start that they wouldn't be able to beat Bayern in this game and it was clear to me that a new coach would come after the disaster in the CL. In the meantime it is definitely the best decision for the team.

Actually in this case against Bayern is not a real benchmark for a change of coach because after all it is only one of the many possibilities that occur but indeed talking about the Manchester United coach for the change is purely from the performance that has not improved especially in the Champions League which they should even be able to qualify and be favoured (at first) compared to Copenhagen or Galatasaray but instead they are at the bottom of the standings at the end of the group phase which should make the officials of Manchester United furious.

Regardless of the judgement of whether he is a good coach or a bad coach I think for now it is not very useful.
The situation now is that Manchester United have failed in the group phase will not be in the Europa League play offs either because of their position at the bottom of the table which makes the EPL club's steps tarnished for the Champions Leaegue title because this season there are 2 representatives who do not qualify and are at the bottom of the table.

Manchester United seems to have definitely understood the current situation and it would be very naive if there was no action on this so I think sooner or later Ten Hag's position in the coach will not be safe at this time even though previously many Manchester United officials and legends still continued to support Ten Hag as coach but now it seems that this will be very different in terms of the results received by Manchester United at this time.

From what we can see Manchester United is not in a difficult group in the Champions League but they failed to do well so it is quite appropriate that their strength is still not strong at European level because they are still unable to compete with Copenhagen and Galatasaray. I think this failure should be a valuable lesson for them to improve again in the winter transfer window because after being eliminated from the Champions League, Manchester United must focus their energy only on the Premier League.

So Erik Ten Hag can use the January transfer window to improve their weaknesses by recruiting new players. Yes, after the failure in the Champions League, Erik position is increasingly insecure and he must be able to restore the full trust of Manchester United officials by winning every match in the Premier League and being able to return to the top 4 ranking.

This is where the current problem lies because in terms of experience or big names, of course Manchester United is a club that should be above Copenhagen and Galatasaray but reality is different in this case.
The reshuffle of players is very good to do but if in the end the same internal problems continue to occur where the feud between Ten Hag and some players occurs again then I think the problems at Manchester United do not come from players but from coaches who cannot maintain electability and cannot build good chemistry with some players.
This is important because as long as there is Ten Hag at Manchester United at this time there have been several players who even require them to leave because of the dispute with Ten Hag which makes this complicated for the club's performance and it happened again this season.

[rendravolt]

The following is the income of each team in the 23/24 Champions League group stage and as can be seen, Real Madrid and Manchester City dominate the income figures. The two championship candidate teams received 42 million euros for successfully advancing to the round of 16 with 6 complete wins. On the other hand, Barcelona also received enough fresh funds of 32 million euros which they will definitely use to spend on players in January.

But not only Barcelona but other teams also seem to be doing the same thing and it depends on the management to arrange it. Apart from that, teams that do not qualify will still receive an injection of funds, even though the amount is not that large. That's why the Champions League is always a target for big teams in Europe to compete every season because the income from the group stages alone is quite tempting.

Its easy to see how this difference in money in the Champions League negatively impacts smaller teams. For example, Sevilla is having a hard time with money and is missing out on important money that would have come from improving. This situation makes the growing gap between the rich clubs and the rest stand out. Businesses like Real Madrid, Manchester City, and others dont just depend on the Champions League to make money; they have other ways to make money too. Financially, they're in a class by themselves. Unfortunately, this is the truth for smaller clubs that count on these kinds of profits a lot. These differences could keep growing, which would make it harder for clubs with less money to compete at the same level, in my view.

But when talking about Sevilla, this team has quite the advantage because they don't have to bother fighting for a place in the top 4 every season and they take advantage of the European league title to secure a place in the champions league. I thought this season would be the same as before but Sevilla was eliminated.

Regarding Real Madrid and Manchester City, their financial management is very good at managing everything and they are also able to make a lot of money from all existing situations, for example from sponsors, apparel, and also other uses of the stadium's function in the future. I think they are at different levels and maybe there will be no team that can reach both of them if it is not another elite team. But if you compare small teams with Real Madrid or Manchester City, then what do you think about Manchester United who actually have everything but in the end also failed in the group stage.

[ILuckyGuyI]

As far as I know the draw for last 16 is going to take place on next Monday. I wish Galatasaray were also a part of it but unfortunately they performed terrible against Copenhagen like it wasn't an important game and this resulted in their elimination from the competition.    But at least we earned a lot of money during the journey which is important to finance our latest transfers.

I think that Copenhagen won't last any longer in the Champions League by the way. Looking at the group leaders only Real Sociedad can be considered a favourable challenge for them.

But even Real Sociedad have been amazing as they finished their group as the leader in Inter's presence in the same group. 

[Justbillywitt]

Xavi has been doing a good job at Barcelona, honestly I don't know what you expect from him but come on he won them the league last season. Barcelona has been in financial problem for quite some time now and it's not Xavi fault. He is not having the best players he would have loved to buy but he is making due of what is at his disposal. He shouldn't win the league all season to prove that he is a good manager. If Barcelona sacks Xavi which coach will they bring in that will perform magic with Barcelona financial challenges?

Your opinion is very much valid, xavi is a good coach and should be regarded as one regardless of the current situation at Barcelona which is clearly not his fault and at the time almost beyond his powers to help the team beyond that which he knows he can possibly do but then just like every other fans, Barcelona fans will definitely want to throw some blames at him.

He was able to help the team win the league title last Season in their domestic league and aswell has been able to help the team qualify pas the group stage in the UCL this season so far, so it could definitely be said of him that he is trying especially been able to work with what is made available to him due to financial constraints on the club, so the current situation of the team is one which should be given more time and hopefully they will get back on their feet and if they are able to get another trophy by the end of the season, it will definitely go along way to help alleviate the financial crisis the team is facing currently.

Yes you are right, Barcelona are still fighting for trophies this season. I wonder why some people are saying that he is not doing well. It's very easy for people to say this and that especially people who don't like the club or the manager. But they have failed to acknowledge what he has done. Not every manager can deliver what Xavi has done under the same working condition. I still believe they will not end the season trophiles.

[BITCOIN4X]

~Snip

Even the champions league creates a big gap of income, and this is with just rewards, when you think about the merchandise being sold, tickets, and all the things that teams are making during the day, you will realize that the gap is even bigger. When you have big clubs, rich owner or not, end up making this much money, you realize that maybe the big teams will always end up being the big teams and will not change anytime soon.

We are going to have all these three cups turn into a league system soon enough, in a few years it will all be league system, but teams will face like 8 or 10 teams, not more, instead of 6. The day it becomes like 16 games per season, and then even more, that will change something for the good, it will be just insane profits for everyone.

An approach like the one you are thinking about may be possible when it can benefit all parties. Each team will get more revenue from matches both away and home, but such a system is very tiring for the players.

The problem that players and coaches often face is the tight match schedule, especially for top teams who play in several different competitions. This has been complained about by several top managers such as Pep Guadiola and several others, so if UEFA or related agencies want to change the system then they have to think about the consequences too. Of course, profit is not the only thing that must be considered, but other things must also be changed if the system is to be changed.

[bbigtart]

Last season? ten hag was staying on manchester united for years. There was no progress being made by him in MU. i would prefer liverpool to play in UCL rather than manchester united. having MU in UCL was only giving embarrassing result for the EPL.
Newcastle was also a flop as it was unable passing the group stage. Mu and newcastle are showing terrible performance. It makes me feel so upset when i was watching their matches in UCL.
It likes there was no improvement that is happening in manchester united nor newcastle united. I can only pray for ten hag to be sacked by united and then club can get a better replacement for him.

I see that Newcastle's progress in the UCL this season has been very difficult, they are in the Hell group, and they have also just played again in the UCL after being away for a long time. So Newcastle failing isn't that disappointing for me.

As for Man United, I just feel disappointed because as an EPL league fan, the EPL representatives have to fall first. Man United has had many changes in coaches, new players but the results are still the same. It can be concluded that the biggest point of error is not on these two parties. What is certain is that there are problems in club management, causing players to be undisciplined, and so on. It's clear what Ronaldo said, and also Mourinho. All the coaches and players that Man United brought in were not haphazard, they had quality and were proven to be good.

[JariKriting]

I thought Erik Ten Hag was a good coach when he came to Manchester United last season. He was sure he was going to end the era of Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp in the Premier League. With the performance of Manchester United both in the Premier League and Champions League this season, it is proven that Erik Ten Hag is nowhere near Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp.

A coach who always fights with his players, for example Jordan Sancho, Varane, Casemero. A poor coach who can't maintain harmony in his team.
Even though those players were bought at a high price and 2 of them were players who were bought in the Ten Hag era.