The new U.S.-China agreement is a "forced friendship. What awaits the world ?

[DrBeer]

Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

Blinken also stressed that the United States does not seek a cold war and has no plans to change the Chinese system. In turn, Xi Jinping said that China respects U.S. interests and will not challenge Washington.

The Chinese leader added that the United States should also respect China's position and not harm its legitimate rights and interests. Xi Jinping expressed hope that the U.S. will take a rational and pragmatic position on China.

What does this mean? Even yesterday there was a very serious confrontation around Taiwan, today it is "peace, friendship, respect".
There are two questions:
1. Which country has become a bargaining chip?
2. What does the world expect in terms of economics ?
3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

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[be.open]

I think China took Blinken's current visit as a sign of US weakness, which it actually is. The United States realized that it was not possible to frighten China with large-scale exercises and that the American military-industrial complex could not pull a proxy war on two fronts. You have to bend and flirt, but without much success - Blinken was received much worse in China than Bill Gates.

[Marvell1]

After so many years, the US used Taiwan as a chess piece to oppose China, and I was surprised by this news. But I don't think they are bargaining with each other, and there will be another pawn in place. Instead, why don't we think in a different way? If the US continues to wage war with China on all fronts, the US will not benefit, the one who suffers the most is no longer China.
As for Taiwan, a distant water cannot put out the fire near it, whether the US continues to support Taiwan or not, it can't be stopped if China really wants to unify Taiwan. Even the US and EU are facing many difficulties in the Ukraine battlefield, so I don't think China will be afraid of the US to use anything to bargain.

[avikz]

This is a eyewash. A pure and white lie. The matter of fact is that the rest of the world do not trust either US or China. Both are warmongers and invasive in nature. So if both of these countries are planning for a forced friendship, probably that's good for peace. But I don't see that happening. Taiwan will remain as a burning issue here and the equation can change anytime.

So I don't see any reason to become overjoyed about their friendship. Change is the only constant and we will see changes in this equation.

[naira]

What does this mean? Even yesterday there was a very serious confrontation around Taiwan, today it is "peace, friendship, respect".
There are two questions:
1. Which country has become a bargaining chip?
2. What does the world expect in terms of economics ?
3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

Does not want war but America is a country with a history of war engagements everywhere, funding, arms sales, etc. Am I exaggerating enough about it? now is a new era called the cold war, the same people behind it are trying to bring down other countries economies so that their own country's economy remains standing with a financial system that controls all other countries finances. I agree with the forced friendship title context because that's what happens when America wants something to control. Under Biden's leadership, the United States issued more inconsistent statements, for example yesterday they declared themselves competitors and the next day they declared friendship.

Since when has Xi Jinping bowed to the US when it comes to economic development? well, there's a kind of fear inside the US white house environment. The United States is too afraid of China economic revival, even being challenged openly by the BRICS Alliance with the declaration of de-dollarization. The US response doesn't talk too much because it realizes that the country's economy is on the precipice which is at stake since it has defaulted on debt payments.

[Yogee]

US not supporting Taiwan's independence has always been their position on paper but don't listen to what they say and look at what they do. It's laughable that they claim they don't want conflict but they're pushing for it. US have been preparing in case China makes a move on Taiwan by increasing their military presence in Asia. I read somewhere that NATO is also making a move by building a base in Japan. All these suggests that they are trying to make the same strategy they did against Russia.

[bittraffic]

This is a eyewash. A pure and white lie. The matter of fact is that the rest of the world do not trust either US or China. Both are warmongers and invasive in nature. So if both of these countries are planning for a forced friendship, probably that's good for peace. But I don't see that happening. Taiwan will remain as a burning issue here and the equation can change anytime.

So I don't see any reason to become overjoyed about their friendship. Change is the only constant and we will see changes in this equation.

None of them sees it as friendship. They all wear the front appearance but certainly, they look after the future outcome if they continue the military drills all around. Both will still play the same game but all these friendship acts will be accepted after all they will be cooperating in building economic growth.

US can not fight 2 wars at the same time and wars need Money. I don't see the end of the war in Ukraine still and they should proceed to talking about ending the Ukraine war while they are peace.

[Hispo]

It would take it as a signal from the United States about their willingness to cool down the tensions which have been going on lately, with the beginning of the war in Ukraine and the alledged support China is giving to the Kremlin.

In the end, both China and USA have such a tight economical relationship that it would be harmful for both of them if the political tensions affected the exportations and importations of all kinds of goods.

Regardless what the USA says, I would bet they will continue to support Taiwan and harden their military bases and positions in Asia. Unless Joe Biden is such a proChinese as the far right says and he is okey with Taiwan losing its status as independent nation.

[topbitcoin]

When viewed from an economic standpoint, America must indeed take a position that can harm them in international cooperation, America must acknowledge China's strength today, they must always be wary of China because today's China is a very difficult opponent to defeat, and the cold war that So far America has been running with China, it has not had a good impact on the economy, in fact America has seemed to be slapped back with their bad condition today.
If America imposes its will and interferes with Taiwan's problems continuously, it is very likely that America will not gain from this dispute.
Choosing to clarify relations in China is the safest move for America right now.

[Kakmakr]

The US government know that there are a shift in the power from the West to the East (economically and military power) ....and they also know that they cannot afford a war against China, because it will bankrupt them.

The BRICS countries are a formidable force, if you look at their combined military power and their economic transition. If China was much smaller, then the US would have crushed them like a bug.... but it's not going to be that easy. (Nobody can afford a WWIII... it will destroy the world) 

[AbuBhakar]

US not supporting Taiwan's independence has always been their position on paper but don't listen to what they say and look at what they do. It's laughable that they claim they don't want conflict but they're pushing for it. US have been preparing in case China makes a move on Taiwan by increasing their military presence in Asia. I read somewhere that NATO is also making a move by building a base in Japan. All these suggests that they are trying to make the same strategy they did against Russia.

I believe that’s their previous position prior to this current news. Perhaps they are already tapping again on China friendship to boost their dying economy due to inflation since they can’t afford a war because they are not that super power anymore. This is good for the world but very bad news for Taiwan independence because China will surely use this opportunity to oppressed this small piece of land.

US already sold them in exchange for economic gain from China.

[South Park]

When viewed from an economic standpoint, America must indeed take a position that can harm them in international cooperation, America must acknowledge China's strength today, they must always be wary of China because today's China is a very difficult opponent to defeat, and the cold war that So far America has been running with China, it has not had a good impact on the economy, in fact America has seemed to be slapped back with their bad condition today.
If America imposes its will and interferes with Taiwan's problems continuously, it is very likely that America will not gain from this dispute.
Choosing to clarify relations in China is the safest move for America right now.

I see it in the same way, the cold war approach that was taken against the USSR could work back then because even if the USSR was a super power in terms of military power, it never had a strong economy, while at the time the US had not only the strongest economy at the time but probably the strongest we have ever seen, so they could take a long term approach to beating the USSR, but against China this is not possible, they have a good economy while the US is at its weakest, and in addition they are already supporting Ukraine against Russia, so supporting another armed conflict seems to be too much for the US economy.

[livingfree]

What could have been the reason for saying that US doesn't support Taiwan's independence? Hmmm....

There could be a change of their minds or this is just another tactic to make it look like they're weak against the Chinese forces that are already rotating around the waters and areas of Taiwan?

Well, politics is certainly predictable when you're seeing the events and if this is a real friendship for US-China then that's much better. These only two powers are even the ones that are trying to reach heights and showing how powerful they are.

But I don't think one will subject to one another and if China says that US shouldn't touch what they're touching and yet the US keeps on triggering them with military exercises, that shows how BS they are for the eyes of China.

3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

I have no idea on this, what's M then?

[Fortify]

Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

Blinken also stressed that the United States does not seek a cold war and has no plans to change the Chinese system. In turn, Xi Jinping said that China respects U.S. interests and will not challenge Washington.

The Chinese leader added that the United States should also respect China's position and not harm its legitimate rights and interests. Xi Jinping expressed hope that the U.S. will take a rational and pragmatic position on China.

What does this mean? Even yesterday there was a very serious confrontation around Taiwan, today it is "peace, friendship, respect".
There are two questions:
1. Which country has become a bargaining chip?
2. What does the world expect in terms of economics ?
3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

That's what you heard and the twisted agenda you want to push. America and China need each other, they both get stronger by working together so it's only unhinged leadership that will seriously damage it. Unfortunately China does not rule by fairness and openness - but by brute and incompetent force. It would be disastrous for China to try to take Taiwan and the world would likely wake up to the danger they pose, even worse than Russia, if such actions went ahead. China really screwed up Hong Kong after taking over, crippling it as a powerful financial hub, and this was their chance to prove that they were good leaders.

[Flexystar]

USA is definitely one mysterious country that no one would ever understand. First they send out their secretary to visit the Taiwan when China threaten to have Air strikes on Taiwan. This was done to show the support against any attacks from China and to showcase the gesture of friendship with Taiwan. Now same US is going further and having hand shakes with China to have peaceful treaty. It’s funny. Or may be it looks like US also forgot about the spy balloon that was sent over to them. What is hard to understand for such highly advance and modern country? Have the China threaten US government in some way and this is what we seeing right now. Have they planted a even bigger biological attack than what we had during pandemic?

[electronicash]

3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

I have no idea on this, what's M then?

M for Manure!

there was nothing achieved in their meeting by the way. just because they were shaking hands in the photos, doesn't mean something is solved. the situation doesn't change. Xi doesn't even want to see Blinken.  truth is that China wants the US to honor the one-China policy and Taiwan is part of China. as long as this is not honored, nothing is achieved in this meeting.

[livingfree]

3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

I have no idea on this, what's M then?

M for Manure!

For real? didn't know about that. 

there was nothing achieved in their meeting by the way. just because they were shaking hands in the photos, doesn't mean something is solved. the situation doesn't change. Xi doesn't even want to see Blinken.  truth is that China wants the US to honor the one-China policy and Taiwan is part of China. as long as this is not honored, nothing is achieved in this meeting.

What a coincidence that I've seen an old video of Trump meeting up Kim Jong-Un on North and South Korea border. I guess it truly depends on the leader and China won't allow any country to bully them as they want to be known as the tough guy and they're the only one that can bully.

It's like that no one intervenes with anything that interests them.

[Argoo]

What could have been the reason for saying that US doesn't support Taiwan's independence? Hmmm....

There could be a change of their minds or this is just another tactic to make it look like they're weak against the Chinese forces that are already rotating around the waters and areas of Taiwan?

Well, politics is certainly predictable when you're seeing the events and if this is a real friendship for US-China then that's much better. These only two powers are even the ones that are trying to reach heights and showing how powerful they are.

But I don't think one will subject to one another and if China says that US shouldn't touch what they're touching and yet the US keeps on triggering them with military exercises, that shows how BS they are for the eyes of China.

3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

I have no idea on this, what's M then?

If the US is now saying that it does not support Taiwan independence, then this is indeed a very interesting turn in US-China relations. The issue of Taiwan brought these countries closer to a serious war. In the United States, the outcome of a military clash between these states was simulated on a computer, and it turned out that the United States was winning the war, but by a very small margin. We can say that both states as a result of the war between themselves will be drained of blood.

So far, this is a reasonable move on the part of the United States to push back the threat of World War III. And this is not about weakness, as some here believe. The policy between the two big states should be wise, but the situation towards Taiwan may change in the future.

Answering a "joking question" I agree that the capital of a country beginning with the letter "M", that is, Moscow can already be a bargaining chip here. It is much more profitable for China to stay closer to the US and the EU than to Russia. Part of the territory of Russia, which there has long been considered Chinese, because it previously belonged to China, China will still take away from the weakening Russia as a result of its war with Ukraine. At the same time, if China does not openly support Russia in this war, then Russia will lose it relatively quickly.

[Alpha Marine]

What could have been the reason for saying that US doesn't support Taiwan's independence? Hmmm....

There could be a change of their minds or this is just another tactic to make it look like they're weak against the Chinese forces that are already rotating around the waters and areas of Taiwan?

Well, politics is certainly predictable when you're seeing the events and if this is a real friendship for US-China then that's much better. These only two powers are even the ones that are trying to reach heights and showing how powerful they are.

One thing I know is that in stuff like this, things are never as they seem. These things are way deeper than we can understand because we don't have all the facts on our table. The US and China might have struck a deal and we wouldn't know. They may just be doing it to appear cool on paper and we wouldn't know. I don't want to sound like I love conspiracy theories but there's always an underground reason for things like this in international politics.

One thing I hate so much is people trying to paint China as a saint in the story. It's so annoying it gets funny at a point. Both the US and China are exactly the same people. They may have different ways of achieving a goal but they both have the same goal; that is making their country and position superior.
They never do anything without their own interest first.

[Die_empty]

US not supporting Taiwan's independence has always been their position on paper but don't listen to what they say and look at what they do. It's laughable that they claim they don't want conflict but they're pushing for it. US have been preparing in case China makes a move on Taiwan by increasing their military presence in Asia. I read somewhere that NATO is also making a move by building a base in Japan. All these suggests that they are trying to make the same strategy they did against Russia.

The US has vowed to protect Taiwan from Chinese invasion. Washington is willing to war against China a forcefully wants to take over the country.  I see the visit of U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to China as diplomatic formalities. China and the US are political, economic, and military competitors and competitors will always oppose each other. Both nations have an interest in Taiwan. Taiwan will always be a vassal state of China and America is not proposing its independence from China but the Island's autonomy. So Blinken was correct when he said that the US is not seeking Taiwan's independence.

America might not be able to fight two proxy wars. China is a major beneficiary in the war between Russia and Ukraine. China enjoys high discounts for buying Russian products. China have also seen many consequences of war and might be scared that Taiwan can also receive the same support Ukraine is receiving. I know China and the US are core rivals but from both country's moves and comments, I don't think they want war. The economic consequences of the current war in Ukraine are enormous, the world will suffer recession if another war breaks out.

[dothebeats]

It's hard seeing Taiwan being left out in this forced friendship between China and the US. I don't see the US scaring China one bit with all its show of military might and conducting exercise near Taiwan. Also, the US is still supporting Ukraine in its fight with Russia, so I don't think it's good for them economically to sustain two wars in different fronts. Perhaps, that's also the reason why the US is trying to build up its foundry for processors - they are letting Taiwan go and with it, their interest in TSMC.

Whichever the case for this sudden forging of friendship, it's good for the world (for now) except for Taiwan which is left against the Chinese government's mercy.

[kro55]

3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

You seem to be referring to Russia, I know you don't like Russia and consider them a terrorist but if you think that China is taking advantage of Russia's friendship to bargain with the US, it's a bit funny and a bit childish. It is only a matter of time before China takes back Taiwan, it is more than capable of doing so at any time, even if Taiwan receives greater US support.

I don't believe what the US says, I believe they will still support Taiwan as they are doing, what they say in the press is just to appease China, they don't want to increase tensions with China. They are struggling with Ukraine against Russia, and continuing to raise tensions with China will not benefit them. They are still the country with the top military in the world, but at the same time, against two great powers like Russia and China, they will also fail quickly.

[DrBeer]

It seems that the picture is becoming clearer. To begin with, let me remind you that not a single Chinese official has the right to make an open statement that has not been agreed with Beijing. Beijing itself, at the highest level, rarely speaks openly and concretely - that's what its politicians, officials, and the media say.

And then interesting statements began, the "first sign": "The military image and authority of Russia in the eyes of China collapsed."
I am sure that in the next 2-3 weeks we will hear many more such statements.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

[electronicash]

what are you talking about?
russia and china has been playing long term. now that they winning, you think they will suddenly separate ways? thats a dumb idea.

they have conquered artic region together. and the goal is to have a multipolar world thats why they have BRICS.  thats why theres more than 50 countries joining dedollarization.

[jrrsparkles]

Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

Blinken also stressed that the United States does not seek a cold war and has no plans to change the Chinese system. In turn, Xi Jinping said that China respects U.S. interests and will not challenge Washington.

The Chinese leader added that the United States should also respect China's position and not harm its legitimate rights and interests. Xi Jinping expressed hope that the U.S. will take a rational and pragmatic position on China.

What does this mean? Even yesterday there was a very serious confrontation around Taiwan, today it is "peace, friendship, respect".
There are two questions:
1. Which country has become a bargaining chip?
2. What does the world expect in terms of economics ?
3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

US can't afford to spend money anymore like they did in the past for example they spend billions every year for Afghanistan and finally US gave up to Talibans and imagine what will be their stand against China. US is not the world police and every government has their own way so let them deal with on their selves now US is trying to focus on the economic growth in their own land.

[livingfree]

~snip~

If the US is now saying that it does not support Taiwan independence, then this is indeed a very interesting turn in US-China relations. The issue of Taiwan brought these countries closer to a serious war. In the United States, the outcome of a military clash between these states was simulated on a computer, and it turned out that the United States was winning the war, but by a very small margin. We can say that both states as a result of the war between themselves will be drained of blood.

So far, this is a reasonable move on the part of the United States to push back the threat of World War III. And this is not about weakness, as some here believe. The policy between the two big states should be wise, but the situation towards Taiwan may change in the future.

This could just be a maneuver for the US since their representative has stepped into the lands of China. Of course, what would you tell while you're inside their borders and territory? And that's why I think that's just in confidence of being there and not to do anything and say crazy that will trigger them.

But if this is all serious statement and the US really meant what they've said, they're avoiding to make a bigger war and that's better but bad and awful for Taiwan.

Answering a "joking question" I agree that the capital of a country beginning with the letter "M", that is, Moscow can already be a bargaining chip here. It is much more profitable for China to stay closer to the US and the EU than to Russia. Part of the territory of Russia, which there has long been considered Chinese, because it previously belonged to China, China will still take away from the weakening Russia as a result of its war with Ukraine. At the same time, if China does not openly support Russia in this war, then Russia will lose it relatively quickly.

Interesting thought, I have never thought of this possibly. But on war, it's true that everything is possible when it's about disputes and territories.

~snip~

One thing I know is that in stuff like this, things are never as they seem. These things are way deeper than we can understand because we don't have all the facts on our table. The US and China might have struck a deal and we wouldn't know. They may just be doing it to appear cool on paper and we wouldn't know. I don't want to sound like I love conspiracy theories but there's always an underground reason for things like this in international politics.

One thing I hate so much is people trying to paint China as a saint in the story. It's so annoying it gets funny at a point. Both the US and China are exactly the same people. They may have different ways of achieving a goal but they both have the same goal; that is making their country and position superior.
They never do anything without their own interest first.

That is one thing for sure that we don't know what's actually happening with their talks, in paper and even in the ground. I agree on the latter that both of them are just the same.

Huge super powers that can't be content with all of their territories and still want to be known as the strongest. And I think that this will never end even a century has come.

[Synchronice]

US not supporting Taiwan's independence has always been their position on paper but don't listen to what they say and look at what they do. It's laughable that they claim they don't want conflict but they're pushing for it. US have been preparing in case China makes a move on Taiwan by increasing their military presence in Asia. I read somewhere that NATO is also making a move by building a base in Japan. All these suggests that they are trying to make the same strategy they did against Russia.

When your currency is not doing well and the world dream is to abandon it, when you have a proxy war with Russia and when you have NATO troops across the Europe and Asia, you can't really afford so many things at once. The whole world is not in war anymore, Europe isn't destroying itself and Japan doesn't have a holy war, so, it's not that easy to remain a global leader and superpower today.

[jubalix]

The old term was balkanization.
The new term is wokenalnization.

As it turns out the US (and west) in undergoing wokenalnization , which has been more destructive than, balkanization

in the former you identify as disticnit culture and racial groups
in the latter you idetiy as whatever you want and no racial groups exist sort of.

in the former the border is around your states land
in the latter via mass immgration and a mosaic of suburbs the state will only (sort of) defend or allow you to defend you property, and you have the right on that property to eject others (to varing degrees).

wokenalnization has hollowed out the US as a functional polity at several levels, economic via tax transfer,  identity, race and potlical alignment to name a few
as such the US is a spent force.

The un lacks among other things the capability to maintain its weapons systems.


Inerestingly how so many uh how shall we say .... caucasian young males that have followers have pruchased wharehouses to carry on in a large enough space to innovate and do stuff, as the have retreated to that space (unconiciously or conciously).

[Marvell1]

what are you talking about?
russia and china has been playing long term. now that they winning, you think they will suddenly separate ways? thats a dumb idea.

they have conquered artic region together. and the goal is to have a multipolar world thats why they have BRICS.  thats why theres more than 50 countries joining dedollarization.

From what I remember, the OP is Ukrainian, and it's understandable that he resented and hated Russia. But I really don't agree with OP's opinion because as you say, China and Russia have a very good relationship, and this relationship existed before the war between Russia and Ukraine happened. Indeed, Russia and China are the top two leaders of the BRICS and they are taking steps to rebalance the world's balance of power.
Therefore, there is no reason for China to shake hands and be friendly with the US at this stage. What is happening may be that the US has begun to worry and panic about China's development.

[Wind_FURY]

I think China took Blinken's current visit as a sign of US weakness, which it actually is. The United States realized that it was not possible to frighten China with large-scale exercises and that the American military-industrial complex could not pull a proxy war on two fronts. You have to bend and flirt, but without much success - Blinken was received much worse in China than Bill Gates.

That's true, but what the United States might actually be doing is fight China by using macro-economics. Because the longer the Federal Reserve holds interest rates high, it will be problematic for China's economy since domestic demand of the country can't support the economy. They desperately need the U.S. and its allies' to increase demand for Chinese exports which only QE could do. But it won't happen.

 

It's probably China that's forced to cooperate.

[bittraffic]

US not supporting Taiwan's independence has always been their position on paper but don't listen to what they say and look at what they do. It's laughable that they claim they don't want conflict but they're pushing for it. US have been preparing in case China makes a move on Taiwan by increasing their military presence in Asia. I read somewhere that NATO is also making a move by building a base in Japan. All these suggests that they are trying to make the same strategy they did against Russia.

When your currency is not doing well and the world dream is to abandon it, when you have a proxy war with Russia and when you have NATO troops across the Europe and Asia, you can't really afford so many things at once. The whole world is not in war anymore, Europe isn't destroying itself and Japan doesn't have a holy war, so, it's not that easy to remain a global leader and superpower today.

So far the West can still proclaim a lot of things thru the media. The headline was that there is progress when China and US have meetings with the head office. But you can see the photos of Xi Jinping didn't even look at the camera. It may sound good on the headlines but later on when Blinken still says they'd fight for Taiwan? That's when it becomes fuzzy. There never is a good result to this visit. The provocation is still up to start a war.

[Yogee]

US not supporting Taiwan's independence has always been their position on paper but don't listen to what they say and look at what they do. It's laughable that they claim they don't want conflict but they're pushing for it. US have been preparing in case China makes a move on Taiwan by increasing their military presence in Asia. I read somewhere that NATO is also making a move by building a base in Japan. All these suggests that they are trying to make the same strategy they did against Russia.

When your currency is not doing well and the world dream is to abandon it, when you have a proxy war with Russia and when you have NATO troops across the Europe and Asia, you can't really afford so many things at once. The whole world is not in war anymore, Europe isn't destroying itself and Japan doesn't have a holy war, so, it's not that easy to remain a global leader and superpower today.

What exactly are you getting at? That US officials are doing this "friendship" ties with China so they could buy time until US gains more foothold in Asia? Yes I get that the proxy war and increasing military presence around China has been costing them but they most likely see this as "investment" to protect their interest.

Europe is probably destroying itself by following US that's why you have leaders like Macron being vocal against NATO opening office in Japan and avoid being dragged into conflict with China and US over the issue on Taiwan.

[LogitechMouse]

After what's happening to the 2 countries within the last few months, they will make us surprise that they will make a friendship out of nowhere? Do they think that we are that dumb to believe that it is genuine?

Of course it's fake. Airstrikes, suspected spy balloon coming from China, and many more in the future. I believe that this kind of trend will continue because these 2 countries can't, and will not cooperate with each other. I wonder why both countries want Taiwan. Maybe because of the fact that the country is the largest manufacturer of microchips, and semiconductors. That would mean profit for either of them that's why one is trying to get it, while the other tries to defend it. Either or, I don't see this agreement as a "true" agreement that would last long.

Well, I would be happy if I will be wrong, and this agreement might last long. After all, both can benefit with each other in different ways.

[Wend]

...snip...
If America imposes its will and interferes with Taiwan's problems continuously, it is very likely that America will not gain from this dispute.
Choosing to clarify relations in China is the safest move for America right now.

This is true, the US is shrinking and has to make concessions to China on the Taiwan issue because the more it causes tension, the more the US will suffer, not China. This is a very wise move and helps them to be safer for the time being. Although they are a great power and have many allies in the world, that does not mean that they will have enough power and strength to cover the whole sky of this world. But this move is also very risky for them because, with this move showing they are weakening and starting to fear, I hope Russia and China will not pass up this opportunity.

[Sayeds56]

I think China took Blinken's current visit as a sign of US weakness, which it actually is. The United States realized that it was not possible to frighten China with large-scale exercises and that the American military-industrial complex could not pull a proxy war on two fronts. You have to bend and flirt, but without much success - Blinken was received much worse in China than Bill Gates.

I think we should welcome this developments and  view it as right step in the right direction. Proxy wars and regional conflicts often lead to devastating impact on human life. Such conflicts/wars result in collateral damage and instable economy, making life of general public difficult. We as  advocates of peace lover should raise our voices to exert pressure on super powers to spend more on poverty alleviation projects rather than investing on development of weapon.

[Gyfts]

U.S. Speaker of the House (at the time) took a trip to Taiwan flanked by fighter jets on her flight into the country for the sake of a PR statement, despite the contempt from China, and within such a short period Anthony Blinken takes a 180 degree approach. The American tax payer should be asking why Nancy Pelosi took the trip in the first place.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

I see this playing out similar to the Hong Kong situation. Of course the U.S. knows this but when the repercussions of their actions begin to reach fruition, the current administration will be long gone and it will be another politician's headache. Taiwan will be given some level of autonomy before all governmental functions and law enforcement are overtaken by Chinese authorities entirely.

[Unbunplease]

What is happening now is a kind of conditional respite. The U.S. presidential election is scheduled for November 2024, so now the U.S. administration is trying to score extra points for itself. I don't think we should attach much importance to such agreements, because they reek of hypocrisy.

[bittraffic]

U.S. Speaker of the House (at the time) took a trip to Taiwan flanked by fighter jets on her flight into the country for the sake of a PR statement, despite the contempt from China, and within such a short period Anthony Blinken takes a 180 degree approach. The American tax payer should be asking why Nancy Pelosi took the trip in the first place.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

I see this playing out similar to the Hong Kong situation. Of course the U.S. knows this but when the repercussions of their actions begin to reach fruition, the current administration will be long gone and it will be another politician's headache. Taiwan will be given some level of autonomy before all governmental functions and law enforcement are overtaken by Chinese authorities entirely.

China bad. It's what the narrative is just like all other countries destroyed in the past like Iraq is bad and then there is Russia also bad. But officials visiting China for talks, it doesn't sit well with the story.

When the US blocks China from manufacturing chips, China created its own chips. You see where it can go when they see the country has all the resources to survive.
Regular people just have to prepare for what's to come because the world order is changing.

[DrBeer]

3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

You seem to be referring to Russia, I know you don't like Russia and consider them a terrorist but if you think that China is taking advantage of Russia's friendship to bargain with the US, it's a bit funny and a bit childish. It is only a matter of time before China takes back Taiwan, it is more than capable of doing so at any time, even if Taiwan receives greater US support.

I don't believe what the US says, I believe they will still support Taiwan as they are doing, what they say in the press is just to appease China, they don't want to increase tensions with China. They are struggling with Ukraine against Russia, and continuing to raise tensions with China will not benefit them. They are still the country with the top military in the world, but at the same time, against two great powers like Russia and China, they will also fail quickly.

Let's start simple - who I don't like. I do not like - liars, thieves, rapists, murderers, terrorists, people who say and declare one thing, but do the exact opposite, I do not like it when the strong demonstrates strength while mocking the weak. It's all gross. It is unlikely that you love everything that I described above. Yes, and that is precisely why Russia is absolutely "not my favorite country" for me at the moment. Precisely because she does everything that is written above. To a normal person, with morality, intelligence, the presence of universal human values, any country that behaves this way will be hated and unacceptable. I hope everything is simple and clear here.

Now back to politics and the topic.
"China will take back Taiwan, it is more than capable of doing" - the soft way - no. The only option left is power. The force option is a blow to the Chinese economy, which is already going through hard times, and I would say the worst. The second problem is, most likely, the destruction of Taiwan's industrial enterprises, which are critically important to China. As you know, China is losing, irreversibly, Western technology and production. And this means China's return to a state close to the 70-80s of the last century, where China is a manufacturer of cheap, simple, low-quality products ... And as practice has shown - the Western assessment of the forces of a particular army - turned out to be, on the example of Russia, a very big mistake . How the whole world saw the so-called "second army of the world", armed with "more than 80% of unparalleled weapons", turned out to be a complete fake. At the same time, it is not clear - this assessment was a real mistake, or intentional, in order to give, in this case, the Kremlin, "to be satisfied with the status itself", but in reality to show itself as a complete failure!?
Likewise with China. Moreover, China has another problem - the population. A population that has already "tasted a taste of normal life." And today's change of the vector from the communist-capitalist to the communist-totalitarian, will give rise to huge tension in society, which will not support the war and the guaranteed degradation of the living standards of this population. Therefore, for China, the path of seizing Taiwan by force is a VERY BAD PATH.

"but at the same time, against two great powers like Russia and China, they will also be quickly defeated" - If Russia and China were allies - one would SUGGEST your statement.
But ... For China, Russia is a "guinea pig" and a raw materials appendage. For Russia, China is "BIG BROTHER".
The 2014 war - I suppose, agreed with Beijing. Target ? Extremely simple - to "feel" the international reaction to the forceful seizure of territories under some pretext. And if until 2022, China was watching and waiting for the RESULT to repeat this with China, and enjoy the helplessness of the West, which until 2022 only voiced "concern". The final "operation" began in 2022 at the end of February. Beijing was waiting for the final confirmation of the total impotence of the West, the EU, the USA, NATO, .... And then something went wrong. And Beijing was and remains very angry with Russia, for the fact that the Kremlin showed bravado, promised to "put the West to its knees with one left." And then UNITED the West! Which showed that in such situations they can answer and very seriously! China is not so afraid of Western military support for Taiwan as it is the imposition of Western sanctions against China. And now China is very close to sanctions ..

[Hispo]

It's hard seeing Taiwan being left out in this forced friendship between China and the US. I don't see the US scaring China one bit with all its show of military might and conducting exercise near Taiwan. Also, the US is still supporting Ukraine in its fight with Russia, so I don't think it's good for them economically to sustain two wars in different fronts. Perhaps, that's also the reason why the US is trying to build up its foundry for processors - they are letting Taiwan go and with it, their interest in TSMC.

Whichever the case for this sudden forging of friendship, it's good for the world (for now) except for Taiwan which is left against the Chinese government's mercy.

I agree that the United States is not in the position of supporting two countries at war, both militarily and with cash. China may be aware of it and the Chinese Communist Party could be waiting for the USA to completely run out of the money they can send and the ammo they can provide for Ukraine, so they can try a mostly pacific take over Taiwan.

It is a sad situation, if you ask me. Taiwan is a lovely country with their own people and a healthy economy, and much of the freedoms other western republics would love to have. It is not supposed to be used as a garbain chip like this...

[yhiaali3]

Since the US made concessions to China on Taiwan, China must have made concessions to the US somewhere else, maybe in Ukraine or somewhere else I don't know.

This is how major countries bargain over hot issues. The United States has been using Taiwan as a bargaining chip for a long period of time, but now they have simply abandoned it.

It is clear that the United States is under great political and economic pressure, so perhaps calming the conflict with China will help it solve some of its political and economic problems.

[DrBeer]

Interesting details are coming!
During the US-China dialogue, the issue of supplying Chinese weapons to the terrorist country was discussed. Officially, China has confirmed its attitude towards terrorist countries and the supply of weapons to such countries/regimes. As before, China is categorically against supporting terrorist countries with weapons, and accordingly it has not supplied, does not supply and will not supply any weapons to Russia.

If you remember, and I remember exactly, I saw at least photographs from the liberated Ukrainian land, where mines for mortars and some other elements of weapons from CHINA were found.
So, China, after this information was double-checked and provided to Western partner countries and, of course, to Beijing, conducted its own study.
According to sources, it really was weapons that were produced in China. BUT, there are nuances. These batches of weapons, which were captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the defeat of the Russian Armed Forces, were supplied by China to North Korea and were not intended for re-export. According to the results of the investigations, it turned out that the purchase of Chinese ammunition from North Korea was a harsh demand of the Russian Federation to North Korea.
Brief summary: Russia set up, deliberately and purposefully, China, its sovereign, and "big brother"!
We expect official statements from China to come soon...

PS To all supporters of relations with Russia - "pleasant and high-quality relations"

[be.open]

It seems that the picture is becoming clearer. To begin with, let me remind you that not a single Chinese official has the right to make an open statement that has not been agreed with Beijing. Beijing itself, at the highest level, rarely speaks openly and concretely - that's what its politicians, officials, and the media say.

And then interesting statements began, the "first sign": "The military image and authority of Russia in the eyes of China collapsed."
I am sure that in the next 2-3 weeks we will hear many more such statements.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

Can you provide a prooflink to the quote you cited? Or is it a figment of your imagination again?

I was only able to find Blinken's statement on the results of his visit to China, and the essence of it is this: we have many disagreements, but the very fact of my visit and that I was not sent to hell is a promising start to search for common ground between the United States and China.

[mvdheuvel1983]

That's what you heard and the twisted agenda you want to push. America and China need each other, they both get stronger by working together so it's only unhinged leadership that will seriously damage it. Unfortunately China does not rule by fairness and openness - but by brute and incompetent force. It would be disastrous for China to try to take Taiwan and the world would likely wake up to the danger they pose, even worse than Russia, if such actions went ahead. China really screwed up Hong Kong after taking over, crippling it as a powerful financial hub, and this was their chance to prove that they were good leaders.

The US is afraid of upsetting a major trade partner. They have to stop letting fear of losing money emasculate them. American businesses made their decisions about where to base factories. If they didn’t think through the potential risks before making their investments, shame on the shareholders. There was never a guarantee that the US government would always make decisions that would assure that profits from private investments in China would grow quarter over quarter in perpetuity.

For them to tread lightly around national policy because they’re scared the likes of Apple will express pain about how their business decisions weren’t honored by US policy is for them to allow Apple to dictate US policy. Private investors will always put their own interests above the national interest. This doesn’t make them bad people. It makes them consistent and predictable.

[Ahli38]

It doesn't matter that this is just a formality or not of the peace shown by the US and China. But the words Peace and mutual respect are enough to reduce the heat in the conflict between the two countries over Taiwan. Because I prefer to see these two countries compete in global politics and compete in economic power. and I don't like to see conflict in war or other issues that could bring these two countries closer to clashes. at least the steps taken by the US I think are quite wise. even if it should make the US a bit weaker on China. I hope everything will be over quickly and I don't like all things war and conflict between countries. because I don't like the impact it has on the global economy, such as peaking inflation and so on.

[coupable]

I think that the American-Chinese rapprochement was at the will of the United States, and this is evidence of the weakness of its international position at present. The American provocations regarding Taiwan were in the face of the Eastern Alliance during the Ukrainian war, but it did not expect that China would go towards escalation, only to find America itself in danger of opening two fronts to the conflict that it is sure that it will not be able to keep up with them in parallel.
China must be aware of this and accepted the process of rapprochement to end the ambitions of Taiwan, which certainly had awakened from its dream of independence from China after the recent rapprochement.

[rikybrosh]

it is good if the world is in peace. war only bring difficulties to development of the world economy. event situation ukraine only may give significant effect to the world economy, many goods price are rising because the supply chain problems. if big war happen between U.S and China which booth are big player in world market then we can expect more significant rise in goods price. i think it is better for us if war is not happen. war is like a gambling for those country, one side may be win or lose but the certainty is they will suffer financial lost. it is better to respect each other and together develop all countries so all human may live in prosperity.

[Gyfts]

U.S. Speaker of the House (at the time) took a trip to Taiwan flanked by fighter jets on her flight into the country for the sake of a PR statement, despite the contempt from China, and within such a short period Anthony Blinken takes a 180 degree approach. The American tax payer should be asking why Nancy Pelosi took the trip in the first place.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

I see this playing out similar to the Hong Kong situation. Of course the U.S. knows this but when the repercussions of their actions begin to reach fruition, the current administration will be long gone and it will be another politician's headache. Taiwan will be given some level of autonomy before all governmental functions and law enforcement are overtaken by Chinese authorities entirely.

China bad. It's what the narrative is just like all other countries destroyed in the past like Iraq is bad and then there is Russia also bad. But officials visiting China for talks, it doesn't sit well with the story.

When the US blocks China from manufacturing chips, China created its own chips. You see where it can go when they see the country has all the resources to survive.
Regular people just have to prepare for what's to come because the world order is changing.

Communism is bad, and by proxy that also makes China an adversary for the U.S. Whether people might agree with that or not might vary, fine. But if the U.S. has interest in ensuring they get their chips manufactured from Taiwan independent from Chinese intervention, then it would also be in their interest to reject the One China policy. China was never actually blocked from manufacturing their own chips.

[DanWalker]

It doesn't matter that this is just a formality or not of the peace shown by the US and China. But the words Peace and mutual respect are enough to reduce the heat in the conflict between the two countries over Taiwan. Because I prefer to see these two countries compete in global politics and compete in economic power. and I don't like to see conflict in war or other issues that could bring these two countries closer to clashes. at least the steps taken by the US I think are quite wise. even if it should make the US a bit weaker on China. I hope everything will be over quickly and I don't like all things war and conflict between countries. because I don't like the impact it has on the global economy, such as peaking inflation and so on.

No one likes war happening, but arms dealers and politicians, only in this way can they show their strength.

Regarding Taiwan, if the US does not make concessions, I believe that a future war is inevitable. China remains very tough on Taiwan, which has declared its willingness to use force to achieve its goals.
We don't really know what America's intentions are because they are very belligerent and never give in to anyone, but recently their politics and economy have been unstable, and they don't want to put more pressure on themselves. Maybe that's the reason for this deal, IMO.

[be.open]

Communism is bad, and by proxy that also makes China an adversary for the U.S. Whether people might agree with that or not might vary, fine. But if the U.S. has interest in ensuring they get their chips manufactured from Taiwan independent from Chinese intervention, then it would also be in their interest to reject the One China policy. China was never actually blocked from manufacturing their own chips.

TSMC is building two chip factories in Arizona, the first one should be operational in 2024, the second in 2026. For TSMC, building factories in the US does not make any economic sense (it costs about four times more to build a plant in the US than in Taiwan, plus you have to compete for qualified personnel with Intel and pay employees much more, that is, the cost of chips will also increase) and the decision to build was 100% politically motivated. The founder of TSMC said in 2021 that Taiwan's success cannot be replicated in the US due to a number of reasons. Plus, TSMC already had a bad experience of expansion in the US in the late 1990s. But two factories in Arizona are still under construction, although construction is behind schedule and at significant cost overruns.

I think this delay in the construction of the TSMC plants in Arizona is the reason for Blinken's recent visit to the US and a significant change in the course of American rhetoric. China has not been afraid of threats and has not succumbed to provocations, and continues to demonstrate its determination to reunite Taiwan with mainland China. And the United States is extremely unprofitable armed conflict until at least the first TSMC plant in Arizona is operational. Therefore, the US State Department, with its inherent flexibility, seeks to turn weakness into strength and tries to make the most of the circumstances. The good news is that there will be no armed conflict in the Pacific region until at least 2025.

[DrBeer]

It seems that the picture is becoming clearer. To begin with, let me remind you that not a single Chinese official has the right to make an open statement that has not been agreed with Beijing. Beijing itself, at the highest level, rarely speaks openly and concretely - that's what its politicians, officials, and the media say.

And then interesting statements began, the "first sign": "The military image and authority of Russia in the eyes of China collapsed."
I am sure that in the next 2-3 weeks we will hear many more such statements.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

Can you provide a prooflink to the quote you cited? Or is it a figment of your imagination again?

I was only able to find Blinken's statement on the results of his visit to China, and the essence of it is this: we have many disagreements, but the very fact of my visit and that I was not sent to hell is a promising start to search for common ground between the United States and China.

 

It is ridiculous to read such statements from a person whose favorite news is the inscriptions on the fence and the gossip of the outcasts in front of the entrance, or "the opinion of the world-famous expert on all matters", whose name no one knows!

Ok, let's play your game
Step 1. I give a link: google.com
Step 2. If you find yourself mentally powerless and cannot overcome the mega-complex technology by searching the Internet for keywords, let me know - I will give you a direct link, I'm kind

Well, some positive news from China:
China sharply reduced purchases of Russian oil
Reuters: Russian oil supplies to China more than halved in June
Between June 1 and 19, Russian oil supplies to China, which is one of Moscow's key oil export destinations, dropped sharply. Reuters reports this with reference to Refinitiv Eikon statistics and information from traders.
In May, for the same period, deliveries amounted to 0.67 million tons, in the current month - 0.26 million, that is, we are talking about a reduction in the volume of purchases by more than two times. China received 300,000 tons of Russian oil from offshore transshipments, which is 120,000 less than from May 1 to May 19.

It seems that China knew what the conversation with the USA would be about and decided to make a gesture of goodwill, showing that the terrorist country is an appendage for him that he can manipulate as he wishes, and even indicative - for friends from the USA

[Synchronice]

When your currency is not doing well and the world dream is to abandon it, when you have a proxy war with Russia and when you have NATO troops across the Europe and Asia, you can't really afford so many things at once. The whole world is not in war anymore, Europe isn't destroying itself and Japan doesn't have a holy war, so, it's not that easy to remain a global leader and superpower today.

What exactly are you getting at? That US officials are doing this "friendship" ties with China so they could buy time until US gains more foothold in Asia?

The US officials are pushed to do this "friendship" ties with China because they can't do otherwise. Financially and physically, they can't afford otherwise too.

Europe is probably destroying itself by following US that's why you have leaders like Macron being vocal against NATO opening office in Japan and avoid being dragged into conflict with China and US over the issue on Taiwan.

I think so too. It's not a wise to follow the USA right now and European Union isn't well united, there is an interest conflict inside.

[DrBeer]

Communism is bad, and by proxy that also makes China an adversary for the U.S. Whether people might agree with that or not might vary, fine. But if the U.S. has interest in ensuring they get their chips manufactured from Taiwan independent from Chinese intervention, then it would also be in their interest to reject the One China policy. China was never actually blocked from manufacturing their own chips.

What has been presented as communism is one of the most vile, most inhumane, most totalitarian regimes. If you read modern history, it is the countries with the communist ideology that stand out in terms of the total number of people, destinies, and mutilated souls destroyed.

But back to microchips. the fact is that china does not produce high-tech chips. China Tries to master this technology, but the technological gap between the leaders and China is huge. The fact that they recently patented their lithographic technology means nothing. Because it may take a decade to implement industrial equipment! China runs on European, American and Japanese technology, which is also now starting to flee China. Yes, 80-40nm China could potentially produce. But... You won't get far on this since this technology is almost 20 years old. Once again 3 simple, easily verifiable facts:
- All of China's high-tech microelectronics production is Western technology
- Its own technology of this level, in China - NO
- the lag in chip production technology, from the west, in china is a decade, and the window of opportunity is greatly reduced

[be.open]

It seems that the picture is becoming clearer. To begin with, let me remind you that not a single Chinese official has the right to make an open statement that has not been agreed with Beijing. Beijing itself, at the highest level, rarely speaks openly and concretely - that's what its politicians, officials, and the media say.

And then interesting statements began, the "first sign": "The military image and authority of Russia in the eyes of China collapsed."
I am sure that in the next 2-3 weeks we will hear many more such statements.

I have long said that the China-Taiwan (USA) conflict is likely to end in a soft and comfortable solution. Mutually beneficial. The US will make concessions and China will be satisfied with the "return of Taiwan", Taiwan will receive a fairly wide autonomy and even retain elements of independence and the right to choose "with whom to be friends and with whom to conduct business relations." But at that time I did not understand what concessions China would make. As events show - China "merges" Russia. He does not need this burden, Russia. More precisely, the land is needed, and apparently China is counting on them in the short term. But China no longer intends to mess around in "friendship with Russia"!

Now the cards are stacked.
The two poles of the bipolar world met and agreed, a compromise has been found!

Can you provide a prooflink to the quote you cited? Or is it a figment of your imagination again?

I was only able to find Blinken's statement on the results of his visit to China, and the essence of it is this: we have many disagreements, but the very fact of my visit and that I was not sent to hell is a promising start to search for common ground between the United States and China.

 

It is ridiculous to read such statements from a person whose favorite news is the inscriptions on the fence and the gossip of the outcasts in front of the entrance, or "the opinion of the world-famous expert on all matters", whose name no one knows!

Ok, let's play your game
Step 1. I give a link: google.com
Step 2. If you find yourself mentally powerless and cannot overcome the mega-complex technology by searching the Internet for keywords, let me know - I will give you a direct link, I'm kind

That's exactly what I asked for, give me a direct link because I couldn't find it myself. Tnx.

[el kaka22]

I think it makes sense that USA would not be able to continue down the same path that they have been going for a long time with this method. I mean they are spending trillion a year on military, for what? Who are they fighting against?

Looking at the last 70 years, they haven't been in a single war that was reasonable for them, they could have avoided it if possible, the last reasonable war was world war two, maybe Korea too if you want to include that considering China would have gone in anyway, but that's the only one that made sense, since then all the wars they got in for nothing at all, and achieved nothing in the end as well. This is why them spending this much makes no sense and they need these friendships to make sure they don't bankrupt.

[DrBeer]

.....
What exactly are you getting at? That US officials are doing this "friendship" ties with China so they could buy time until US gains more foothold in Asia? Yes I get that the proxy war and increasing military presence around China has been costing them but they most likely see this as "investment" to protect their interest.

Europe is probably destroying itself by following US that's why you have leaders like Macron being vocal against NATO opening office in Japan and avoid being dragged into conflict with China and US over the issue on Taiwan.

You see, the thing is... Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you with reservations, but I did. Now the world has changed. Everyone has realized that the "avoiding a real solution" approach is the way to escalate the problem. And Russia is an example, or rather a trigger for a change in policy. Before 2022, looking at state terrorism and the destruction of civilians and cities, everyone was just "expressing concern," "offering to discuss," "let us not heat up and provoke," then after 2022 everyone realized that inadequate regimes, and inadequate countries, need to be rebuffed. So they stop fantasizing about their "greatness" and abandon their attempts at blackmail and economic terrorism, and say with a sadistic bastard smile, "well, then they will all freeze without our gas. Only 1 option works with terrorists and criminals - forceful, painful, and optimally - destruction. Yes, there are still those who appear to be heavily dependent, or are on the "hook" for Kremlin compromise - but that's their problem... And the adequate world has understood - it is necessary to respond, it is necessary to strike back, it is necessary to reduce the potential of criminals and terrorists by all means. That is why China, now is so unhappy with Russia ! Russia has essentially failed, in the future, the project "Taiwan is the Crimea according to China" !  \Russia surpassed Hitler's Nazis with its aggression and sadism, and thus united the world against such regimes. China was waiting for the whole world to "express concern" again and silently give Ukraine to be destroyed or taken over by Russia. It didn't. And now China has no chance of a "short, victorious military operation" to get Taiwan ! Now we have to negotiate, look for compromises, and make some concessions !

[Wind_FURY]

There are rumors that the leader of Wagner, a para-military group, has started saying that he "vows to topple Russian military leaders". What does this mean? It's a coup! If they topple Putin's regime, they take command of the country. Without Putin, China loses a powerful ally.

Tin-foil hats on, but it's possible that the C.I.A. is behind this. They helped topple the regimes of Saddam Hussien, Gaddafi, and other dictatorial-type regimes, then facilitate in installing a leader who's friendly with the United States.

China's place in the geo-political landscape will be weakened if Wagner is successful because obviously it will be surrounded in all directions.


be.open, how are the Russian citizens reacting with Wagner's move?

[be.open]

be.open, how are the Russian citizens reacting with Wagner's move?

The citizens of Russia seem quite interested in the new plot twist in this story, even those who have long ceased to follow the developments in Ukraine and live their normal lives. For the townsfolk, it looks like some kind of fucking circus - nothing is clear, but very interesting.

[Ozero]

be.open, how are the Russian citizens reacting with Wagner's move?

The citizens of Russia seem quite interested in the new plot twist in this story, even those who have long ceased to follow the developments in Ukraine and live their normal lives. For the townsfolk, it looks like some kind of fucking circus - nothing is clear, but very interesting.

The campaign of "justice" PMC "Wagner" through the Rostov, Voronezh, Lipetsk and Tula regions to Moscow is unlikely to please the inhabitants of the Kremlin. In Rostov, the "Fortress" plan was introduced, which involved the protection of all important objects and the defense of the city. PMC "Wagner", which for almost a year stormed the small Ukrainian town of Bakhmut, immediately took Rostov, which is a significant regional center of Russia. Behind him fell Voronezh and other Russian cities. It is not known how this would all have ended if Prigozhin had not deployed his PMC about 200 kilometers from Moscow. On the way, the Wagnerites shot down 6 Russian military helicopters and one aircraft, which was a command center.

But the actions of Putin and his entourage on the approach of PMC "Wagner" really resembled a circus. Putin got on the plane and after a while even the transponders were turned off so that it was impossible to establish where he was running away. Medvedev, who constantly threatens Ukraine, and the head of the government, Mishustin, flew somewhere behind him. In a word, everyone began to scatter like rats. Then the Russian elite, and even ordinary citizens, began to flee the country. Therefore, plane tickets have risen in price tenfold.

Here it is appropriate to compare these actions with the actions of the President of Ukraine Zelensky and the government of Ukraine during the invasion on February 24, 2022, when the 200,000-strong Russian army entered Ukraine from three sides in solid armored columns. Zelensky remained in Kyiv even as Russian tanks appeared in the vicinity, and numerous groups entered the city to kill him.

[DrBeer]

Like it or not, China has begun to change its rhetoric and OFFICIAL POSITION in a big way.
Brussels, Belgium. China's representative to the European Union said that Beijing has nothing against Ukraine's desire to restore its territorial integrity to its 1991 borders, including Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when asked about Fu Kong's support for Kiev's goals, including the return of other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: "I don't see why not.

Judging by China's sharply changed rhetoric, Putin is already a downed pilot for Beijing ....

[Wind_FURY]

Like it or not, China has begun to change its rhetoric and OFFICIAL POSITION in a big way.
Brussels, Belgium. China's representative to the European Union said that Beijing has nothing against Ukraine's desire to restore its territorial integrity to its 1991 borders, including Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when asked about Fu Kong's support for Kiev's goals, including the return of other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: "I don't see why not.

Judging by China's sharply changed rhetoric, Putin is already a downed pilot for Beijing ....

Probably because China has recognized the fact that its economy's growth can't be sustained without the U.S. and its allies. Economic prosperity for them should also mean economic prosperity for the West because who are among the largest consumers of Chinese exports? THE WEST! China's domestic demand definitely can't support their economy.

China is getting desperate and they need the West to pivot to QE, but it will continue to tighten as long as inflation is high, unemployment is low, and as long as markets don't crash.

[Majestic-milf]

Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

This is me smiling at Taiwan when they thought they had gotten a strong ally in the US. I can't imagine them (US) going to something close to war with China because deep down they need these guys to survive and Xi Jingping knows it.
Imagine the lame excuse being given for their reason to renege; refusing to support any unilateral changes to the status quo. I mean, this is just plain cowardly behavior because you supply arms to them yet avoid any official diplomatic contact.

[sana54210]

Like it or not, China has begun to change its rhetoric and OFFICIAL POSITION in a big way.
Brussels, Belgium. China's representative to the European Union said that Beijing has nothing against Ukraine's desire to restore its territorial integrity to its 1991 borders, including Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when asked about Fu Kong's support for Kiev's goals, including the return of other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: "I don't see why not.

Judging by China's sharply changed rhetoric, Putin is already a downed pilot for Beijing ....

Probably because China has recognized the fact that its economy's growth can't be sustained without the U.S. and its allies. Economic prosperity for them should also mean economic prosperity for the West because who are among the largest consumers of Chinese exports? THE WEST! China's domestic demand definitely can't support their economy.

China is getting desperate and they need the West to pivot to QE, but it will continue to tighten as long as inflation is high, unemployment is low, and as long as markets don't crash.

China is not getting "desperate" china is just facing what happens when you grow more than you should and learning what to do with that. Look at USA for example, they have huge debt, what is it now something like 30 trillion or something? That's insane and of course that's not going to be easy to handle and we are talking about bigger amount of money than they could ever pay, and yet they are living life like nothing happened.

China wasn't this big 20 years ago, and they were much bigger 10 years ago but wasn't this big anyway, they grew and grew and grew basically, which meant that they went from a poor nation of rice famers to an industrial monopoly and that resulted with them not knowing what to do, but I bet they will find a way eventually.

[DrBeer]

Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

This is me smiling at Taiwan when they thought they had gotten a strong ally in the US. I can't imagine them (US) going to something close to war with China because deep down they need these guys to survive and Xi Jingping knows it.
Imagine the lame excuse being given for their reason to renege; refusing to support any unilateral changes to the status quo. I mean, this is just plain cowardly behavior because you supply arms to them yet avoid any official diplomatic contact.

My opinion is that neither China nor the United States needs a new global conflict. But this does not mean that the U.S. has "bent over" to China. I have confidence that although Taiwan has become somewhat of a hostage to the current, complicated, international situation, but... The terms of Taiwan's "return" will be exclusively according to China's rules. My opinion is that there will be an agreement on sufficiently broad autonomy for Taiwan.
I have written more than once that in my opinion it will be a "showcase peace treaty" with the Chinese CCP presenting it as "China's great victory over Western hegemony", but there will be "nuances" that will not be publicly talked about. This includes China's concessions not to support Russia as an international terrorist. The world is already tired of cataclysms - KOVID, the light version of the third world war, etc. Again, let me remind you that China needs Taiwan as a working leading manufacturer of microelectronics, and any forceful solution to this "issue" will lead to the total destruction of Taiwan's unique economic sector.

[panganib999]

After so many years, the US used Taiwan as a chess piece to oppose China, and I was surprised by this news. But I don't think they are bargaining with each other, and there will be another pawn in place. Instead, why don't we think in a different way? If the US continues to wage war with China on all fronts, the US will not benefit, the one who suffers the most is no longer China.
As for Taiwan, a distant water cannot put out the fire near it, whether the US continues to support Taiwan or not, it can't be stopped if China really wants to unify Taiwan. Even the US and EU are facing many difficulties in the Ukraine battlefield, so I don't think China will be afraid of the US to use anything to bargain.

Point taken, but to retract previous support regardless of whatever they have going on right now with China is something that I've never seen before. Plus this looks like an uneasy alliance to me considering these two countries are acting tough despite their current economic situations, and the best move to not rile the other's anger is to just show support. In any case I don't see this "alliance" if you can even call it that as something that will stay for a long time, I'll give it until the war between Russia and Ukraine ends, and these two countries will be back to throwing shit at each others like two silverback gorillas in a zoo.

As for Taiwan, well I guess they just have to deal with it lmao.

[icalical]

With the current US economic situation that is expected, covid hit American Economic pretty hard, it is still recovering, engaging in any military conflict will slow their economic recovery and it also requires a lot of fund. Even if China finally invade Taiwan, the best US could do is just the same as what they could do in the Ukraine, giving sanction. And even though there will be some bad economic effect for U.S tech manufacturer, they are also one of the biggest Chip producer, direct competition with Taiwan, so US will get some of the Taiwan consumer if Taiwan stop producing. For the rest of the world, War is always a bad thing. China is the both huge consumer and producer for the world, we will have shortage in many items.

[YUriy1991]

The world is already tired of cataclysms - KOVID, the light version of the third world war, etc. Again, let me remind you that China needs Taiwan as a working leading manufacturer of microelectronics, and any forceful solution to this "issue" will lead to the total destruction of Taiwan's unique economic sector.

Yes. I see it that way as well. Visually disrupting a sector of the Taiwanese economy in such a powerful way could have quite an impactful global impact, causing potential loss of expertise, disruptions in supply chains, and economic instability. The US maybe  take a nuanced approach to staying engaged with China on a variety of issues, including Taiwan with the aim of safeguarding its broader interests and maintaining stability in the region. One side, Yes. as you said above the US should not be involved in a conflict with China, that does not mean that Taiwan is completely abandoned.

I think it's good to first understand the motivation behind their actions and their special interests.

[Wind_FURY]

Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

This is me smiling at Taiwan when they thought they had gotten a strong ally in the US. I can't imagine them (US) going to something close to war with China because deep down they need these guys to survive and Xi Jingping knows it.
Imagine the lame excuse being given for their reason to renege; refusing to support any unilateral changes to the status quo. I mean, this is just plain cowardly behavior because you supply arms to them yet avoid any official diplomatic contact.

My opinion is that neither China nor the United States needs a new global conflict. But this does not mean that the U.S. has "bent over" to China. I have confidence that although Taiwan has become somewhat of a hostage to the current, complicated, international situation, but... The terms of Taiwan's "return" will be exclusively according to China's rules. My opinion is that there will be an agreement on sufficiently broad autonomy for Taiwan.
I have written more than once that in my opinion it will be a "showcase peace treaty" with the Chinese CCP presenting it as "China's great victory over Western hegemony", but there will be "nuances" that will not be publicly talked about. This includes China's concessions not to support Russia as an international terrorist. The world is already tired of cataclysms - KOVID, the light version of the third world war, etc. Again, let me remind you that China needs Taiwan as a working leading manufacturer of microelectronics, and any forceful solution to this "issue" will lead to the total destruction of Taiwan's unique economic sector.

If you ask me, I believe it will be China who will start bending over. China's economy is currently in a worse than expected state after the COVID-19 restrictions were lifted. Some economists/analysts mistakenly projected that the Chinese people will start spending most of their savings in goods and services after lockdowns, BUT they were obviously very wrong. They later found out that Chinese consumers are not like American consumers because Asians have more tendencies to save than the people living in the United States.

I already posted about the possble recession coming in the U.S. and Europe because of QT, which will hurt China more because the U.S. and its allies are the biggest importers of Chinese goods.

[Flexystar]

Like it or not, China has begun to change its rhetoric and OFFICIAL POSITION in a big way.
Brussels, Belgium. China's representative to the European Union said that Beijing has nothing against Ukraine's desire to restore its territorial integrity to its 1991 borders, including Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.
In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when asked about Fu Kong's support for Kiev's goals, including the return of other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: "I don't see why not.

Judging by China's sharply changed rhetoric, Putin is already a downed pilot for Beijing ....

Probably because China has recognized the fact that its economy's growth can't be sustained without the U.S. and its allies. Economic prosperity for them should also mean economic prosperity for the West because who are among the largest consumers of Chinese exports? THE WEST! China's domestic demand definitely can't support their economy.

China is getting desperate and they need the West to pivot to QE, but it will continue to tighten as long as inflation is high, unemployment is low, and as long as markets don't crash.

I am not sure if China has such intentions or not because the way they are acting against America or were acting against America last year, I believe this is not the right way to think about it. As mentioned in former post Putin is also another factor that can create conflict in this friendship for sure. I mean it will either create conflict between Russia China relations, OR may be China America relation. How can they be allies together if one is enemy of the other and their friend is moving towards the enemy isn't good in the diplomatic relationship in the future.

This type of agreements were never good in the past so I am not sure if they would be in the future too?

They will depend on each other for the supply chain of various things but they won't have country-country relations for the good.

[DrBeer]

Today the world heard:  "The U.S. does not support Taiwan's independence and has no intention of engaging in conflict with China."

U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said this during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing.

This is me smiling at Taiwan when they thought they had gotten a strong ally in the US. I can't imagine them (US) going to something close to war with China because deep down they need these guys to survive and Xi Jingping knows it.
Imagine the lame excuse being given for their reason to renege; refusing to support any unilateral changes to the status quo. I mean, this is just plain cowardly behavior because you supply arms to them yet avoid any official diplomatic contact.

My opinion is that neither China nor the United States needs a new global conflict. But this does not mean that the U.S. has "bent over" to China. I have confidence that although Taiwan has become somewhat of a hostage to the current, complicated, international situation, but... The terms of Taiwan's "return" will be exclusively according to China's rules. My opinion is that there will be an agreement on sufficiently broad autonomy for Taiwan.
I have written more than once that in my opinion it will be a "showcase peace treaty" with the Chinese CCP presenting it as "China's great victory over Western hegemony", but there will be "nuances" that will not be publicly talked about. This includes China's concessions not to support Russia as an international terrorist. The world is already tired of cataclysms - KOVID, the light version of the third world war, etc. Again, let me remind you that China needs Taiwan as a working leading manufacturer of microelectronics, and any forceful solution to this "issue" will lead to the total destruction of Taiwan's unique economic sector.

If you ask me, I believe it will be China who will start bending over. China's economy is currently in a worse than expected state after the COVID-19 restrictions were lifted. Some economists/analysts mistakenly projected that the Chinese people will start spending most of their savings in goods and services after lockdowns, BUT they were obviously very wrong. They later found out that Chinese consumers are not like American consumers because Asians have more tendencies to save than the people living in the United States.

I already posted about the possble recession coming in the U.S. and Europe because of QT, which will hurt China more because the U.S. and its allies are the biggest importers of Chinese goods.

I absolutely agree with you. The reason is the really difficult situation of the Chinese economy. And while "for the public" there is a "war with the West," at the government level China is well aware that confrontation and mutual restrictions will cause China to lose. The West has learned to adapt and is ready for some "inconveniences" associated with the transition processes, but they are well aware that China will have to go "to bow" to the Western world - without this market China's economy will fall even more.
Let's just say that China benefits from partnership with the West and does not benefit from severing ties. The West can live without China.

Take for example their new "scarecrow" - restrictions on the supply of rare earth metals germanium and gallium. But today they were told by TSMC that there will be no problem with chip production. I started to look into the issue - it turns out that China is not an exclusive supplier, it's just the cheapest supplier. And these metals are mined in other countries:
Gallium - Japan, South Korea, Ukraine
Germanium - Canada, Belgium, USA

[kryptqnick]

US and China are big political rivals because they are both superpowers but with very different political ideals. The ideal for the USA is a strong democracy that values and protects individual freedom and diversity. The ideal for China is a state of perfectly organized society of docile people who are under total control of the government. But of course, nobody needs a war, so after tensions rise, there's a cooling-off period. Still, I don't think it means the USA would allow China to militarily retake Taiwan if it comes to that. As for the power dynamics, I think they are co-dependent on one another, which also makes it important to both to reach compromise. And while it can be morally questionable, it's good for the global economy.

[Ozero]

US and China are big political rivals because they are both superpowers but with very different political ideals. The ideal for the USA is a strong democracy that values and protects individual freedom and diversity. The ideal for China is a state of perfectly organized society of docile people who are under total control of the government. But of course, nobody needs a war, so after tensions rise, there's a cooling-off period. Still, I don't think it means the USA would allow China to militarily retake Taiwan if it comes to that. As for the power dynamics, I think they are co-dependent on one another, which also makes it important to both to reach compromise. And while it can be morally questionable, it's good for the global economy.

All right. Based on the fact that in recent months relations between the United States and China began to deteriorate sharply, including over Taiwan, up to the threat of a full-scale war between these large states, the current agreement between them, even if it is not very strong, is very a wise decision. Both the United States and China realize that if it comes to war, both countries will weaken, and this will play into the hands of many other not-so-democratic states. Moreover, the United States is now helping Ukraine in protecting its territory from Russian aggression, and there are other big problems that need to be addressed, and a possible war with China would interfere with other urgent issues. In the future, the United States and China may find common ground against the background of the upcoming changes that are expected in the fate of Russia.

[DrBeer]

US and China are big political rivals because they are both superpowers but with very different political ideals. The ideal for the USA is a strong democracy that values and protects individual freedom and diversity. The ideal for China is a state of perfectly organized society of docile people who are under total control of the government. But of course, nobody needs a war, so after tensions rise, there's a cooling-off period. Still, I don't think it means the USA would allow China to militarily retake Taiwan if it comes to that. As for the power dynamics, I think they are co-dependent on one another, which also makes it important to both to reach compromise. And while it can be morally questionable, it's good for the global economy.

As practice shows, the "great adversaries" are more likely to be highly dependent on each other than to want to destroy each other. Especially in such an interdependent world as today's. The deepest integration of all spheres of economy, technology, finance... With such dependence, the U.S. and China are symbiotic rather than "natural enemies". That said, the U.S. can live without China, as can the rest of the developed West. At most, prices will go up slightly. But China - without Western markets, technology... They will also survive, but it will be "life in reverse" - a slide back to China in the 1980s. The question is, what are the sensible players doing?

[Cryptomultiplier]

A forced friendship might be the better option, if it is what that would save the world from WW3. More countries should even do that so as to encourage world peace, rather than add to the wars ongoing both between Russia -Ukraine and also other parts of Africa, not even mentioning trade wars and policies meant to hurt the country.

As long both contract parties are matured enough to deliver on the terms of agreement and be liable to the penalties if found guilty of going against the rules of the game, am okay with it being a forced friendship.

[DrBeer]

I think the move by China to try to limit the supply of gallium and germanium to the market, specifically to U.S. companies, is very stupid. Japan is already willing to supply the necessary quantities of gallium and Canada the necessary quantities of germanium.
The bottom line is:
- China has shown its stupidity.
- The U.S. has once again demonstrated that the West does not depend on China.
- The U.S. has an official reason to introduce new "counter-sanctions" against China, which will really bring real problems for China. Which will have an extremely negative impact on China's economy.

A light version of "shooting yourself in the foot".

[be.open]

I think the move by China to try to limit the supply of gallium and germanium to the market, specifically to U.S. companies, is very stupid. Japan is already willing to supply the necessary quantities of gallium and Canada the necessary quantities of germanium.
The bottom line is:
- China has shown its stupidity.
- The U.S. has once again demonstrated that the West does not depend on China.
- The U.S. has an official reason to introduce new "counter-sanctions" against China, which will really bring real problems for China. Which will have an extremely negative impact on China's economy.

A light version of "shooting yourself in the foot".

Prooflink?

To my knowledge, China controls about 80% of the gallium market. Japan and South Korea left the gallium supply market in 2016, Ukraine in 2019. In general, this is a very unstable and difficult market for a number of reasons, gallium is a by-product in the production of aluminum and it requires, first of all, a large amount of cheap energy for its production.

[harapan]

China is not getting "desperate" china is just facing what happens when you grow more than you should and learning what to do with that. Look at USA for example, they have huge debt, what is it now something like 30 trillion or something? That's insane and of course that's not going to be easy to handle and we are talking about bigger amount of money than they could ever pay, and yet they are living life like nothing happened.

China wasn't this big 20 years ago, and they were much bigger 10 years ago but wasn't this big anyway, they grew and grew and grew basically, which meant that they went from a poor nation of rice famers to an industrial monopoly and that resulted with them not knowing what to do, but I bet they will find a way eventually.

I don't believe it's what to do with it that's it's the problem. They didn't become a big economy overnight. They worked for it, they invested, they took risks. It took them time to become where they are today and they have learnt how to handle their business.
They believe in something and they are working towards it.
20 years is enough time to learn how to handle been a global power. But I do not agree that they've only had 20 years or less. China is an ancient country, so all that history isn't new.

No country wants to have losses, both the US and China are trying to better grir countries so they would make decisions that favour them. If they went a different route and it didn't work out, they will go a different route.

[DrBeer]

I think the move by China to try to limit the supply of gallium and germanium to the market, specifically to U.S. companies, is very stupid. Japan is already willing to supply the necessary quantities of gallium and Canada the necessary quantities of germanium.
The bottom line is:
- China has shown its stupidity.
- The U.S. has once again demonstrated that the West does not depend on China.
- The U.S. has an official reason to introduce new "counter-sanctions" against China, which will really bring real problems for China. Which will have an extremely negative impact on China's economy.

A light version of "shooting yourself in the foot".

Prooflink?

To my knowledge, China controls about 80% of the gallium market. Japan and South Korea left the gallium supply market in 2016, Ukraine in 2019. In general, this is a very unstable and difficult market for a number of reasons, gallium is a by-product in the production of aluminum and it requires, first of all, a large amount of cheap energy for its production.

We have already discussed the issue of China's rare earth metals, and at the same time gallium and germanium. And you are well aware that what you say is, to put it mildly, distorted information
Ok, for everyone, I will once again bring the data about this metal.

The key "problem" of gallium is that there are no deposits of pure metal in nature. It is always presented as compounds with low metal content, and very "evenly" distributed. Today, the richest source of gallium is the mineral germanite, an ore composed of copper sulfide that can contain 0.5-0.7% gallium, mined in southwest Africa. These are the Tsumeb (Namibia) and Kipushi (Zaire) mines .... It's a strange name for China, isn't it ?

Gallium is also widely distributed in small amounts along with zinc obscurants, in aluminum alumina, feldspars, hard coal and ores: iron, manganese and chromium.
The largest deposits of gallium, amenable to economic extraction, are in China, Germany, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Korea and Russia  
That was all about primary mining.

But there is also secondary mining - Canada, Slovakia, Japan, Germany and the USA are the leaders there.

At the same time, there are more nuances: gallium can be replaced in the manufacture of semiconductors by indium, and in the technology of production of thin film solar cells - silicon-based technologies, some forms of thin film cadmium selenide or copper indium selenide based photovoltaic cells among others.

So the reality is quite different - China was by far the most massive and cheapest supplier of this metal, but there is no question of exclusivity. Now other suppliers will increase production, and consumers will simply switch to them.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Once upon a time US was the most powerful country as compare with rest of world. But now inflation is hitting US hard. Prices for food, gas and basic necessities are out of control. Americans people are already suffering form such and such situation.  They are not that much  super power anymore that's why they can't afford war anymore. It's hard seeing Taiwan being left out in this forced friendship between China and the US and in other hand  I don't see the US  are able to scaring China anymore.

[justdimin]

We have already discussed the issue of China's rare earth metals, and at the same time gallium and germanium. And you are well aware that what you say is, to put it mildly, distorted information
Ok, for everyone, I will once again bring the data about this metal.

The key "problem" of gallium is that there are no deposits of pure metal in nature. It is always presented as compounds with low metal content, and very "evenly" distributed. Today, the richest source of gallium is the mineral germanite, an ore composed of copper sulfide that can contain 0.5-0.7% gallium, mined in southwest Africa. These are the Tsumeb (Namibia) and Kipushi (Zaire) mines .... It's a strange name for China, isn't it ?

Gallium is also widely distributed in small amounts along with zinc obscurants, in aluminum alumina, feldspars, hard coal and ores: iron, manganese and chromium.
The largest deposits of gallium, amenable to economic extraction, are in China, Germany, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Korea and Russia  
That was all about primary mining.

But there is also secondary mining - Canada, Slovakia, Japan, Germany and the USA are the leaders there.

At the same time, there are more nuances: gallium can be replaced in the manufacture of semiconductors by indium, and in the technology of production of thin film solar cells - silicon-based technologies, some forms of thin film cadmium selenide or copper indium selenide based photovoltaic cells among others.

So the reality is quite different - China was by far the most massive and cheapest supplier of this metal, but there is no question of exclusivity. Now other suppliers will increase production, and consumers will simply switch to them.

Whenever I see your name, I know that it will 100% be a post that supports USA or attacks one of its enemies, you have not written anything that is out of that in many months to be fair and you weren't like this. You have became full on uncle sam in the past few months, interesting to see.

Just because China sold it cheap, doesn't mean they will continue to do so, just because other places can, doesn't mean they can continue to do so. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Sure other nations may have some, but they do not have as much as China, and not like the demand for this will go to zero neither, hence China could limit it, and let it end in other places, and jack up the price, it is not unlikely. Why is this so hard to see?

[Kakmakr]

I think the US realized that it is not in their best interest to have a unfriendly relationship with one of the strongest economies in the world. China also have one of the strongest military forces in the world, so having a war between China and the US, will have severe consequences for the US.

Is this a sign of weakness or a sign of mutual respect.... time will tell, if the US will tolerate all the antics from the Chinese and their actions towards other countries. (support for Russia and bypassing the sanctions) 

[be.open]

I think the move by China to try to limit the supply of gallium and germanium to the market, specifically to U.S. companies, is very stupid. Japan is already willing to supply the necessary quantities of gallium and Canada the necessary quantities of germanium.
The bottom line is:
- China has shown its stupidity.
- The U.S. has once again demonstrated that the West does not depend on China.
- The U.S. has an official reason to introduce new "counter-sanctions" against China, which will really bring real problems for China. Which will have an extremely negative impact on China's economy.

A light version of "shooting yourself in the foot".

Prooflink?

To my knowledge, China controls about 80% of the gallium market. Japan and South Korea left the gallium supply market in 2016, Ukraine in 2019. In general, this is a very unstable and difficult market for a number of reasons, gallium is a by-product in the production of aluminum and it requires, first of all, a large amount of cheap energy for its production.

We have already discussed the issue of China's rare earth metals, and at the same time gallium and germanium. And you are well aware that what you say is, to put it mildly, distorted information
Ok, for everyone, I will once again bring the data about this metal.

The key "problem" of gallium is that there are no deposits of pure metal in nature. It is always presented as compounds with low metal content, and very "evenly" distributed. Today, the richest source of gallium is the mineral germanite, an ore composed of copper sulfide that can contain 0.5-0.7% gallium, mined in southwest Africa. These are the Tsumeb (Namibia) and Kipushi (Zaire) mines .... It's a strange name for China, isn't it ?

Gallium is also widely distributed in small amounts along with zinc obscurants, in aluminum alumina, feldspars, hard coal and ores: iron, manganese and chromium.
The largest deposits of gallium, amenable to economic extraction, are in China, Germany, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Korea and Russia  
That was all about primary mining.

But there is also secondary mining - Canada, Slovakia, Japan, Germany and the USA are the leaders there.

At the same time, there are more nuances: gallium can be replaced in the manufacture of semiconductors by indium, and in the technology of production of thin film solar cells - silicon-based technologies, some forms of thin film cadmium selenide or copper indium selenide based photovoltaic cells among others.

So the reality is quite different - China was by far the most massive and cheapest supplier of this metal, but there is no question of exclusivity. Now other suppliers will increase production, and consumers will simply switch to them.

For the second time in this thread I ask you for a prooflink and you again merge on some ridiculous brakes, hiding the lack of evidence behind verbosity. Japan has not supplied gallium to the foreign market since 2016. China has crushed all competitors by weight and squeezed them out of the market.

[BIT-BENDER]

There are two questions:
1. Which country has become a bargaining chip?
2. What does the world expect in terms of economics ?
3. Joke question: Don't you think that the capital of the country of the "bargaining chip" begins with the letter "M" ?

Firstly I think we are trying so hard to see something that is actually not there and it's actually very crazy. I don't think there is any bad blood between China and the United States of America but also I won't say they are friends, I would rather consider it a relationship that is now built on respect, they understand their strength and would do anything to avoid a war between them.

Question 1. There in none it's just a figment of people's imagination.

Question 2. Well if they move further than just mutual respect and actually work together I think the world economy would improve but it would give US and China great power over other countries .

Question 3. Still doesn't exist and we should try to see things from other perspective .

[DrBeer]

For the second time in this thread I ask you for a prooflink and you again merge on some ridiculous brakes, hiding the lack of evidence behind verbosity. Japan has not supplied gallium to the foreign market since 2016. China has crushed all competitors by weight and squeezed them out of the market.

You can ask for anything you want, it's your right. But 100500 times poking your nose in open sources, or to be educated by your education - I'm already tired of it. If you know how to use search engines - it will take you 10 seconds, and you will get a lot of pleasure from full-fledged sources, and not those "excerpts from the inscriptions on the fence", as you habitually cite as "evidence"

If you don't know how to use it, sorry, I'll find a better use for my time.

PS. Well, I will be condescending to you, you are still on the background of some, less interesting interlocutor. So - sets of keywords to search for "prufs":
1. Gallium world deposits
2. Germanium global deposits
3. Rare earth metals list
4. Gallium primary production, countries
5. Primary production of germanium, countries
6. Secondary production of gallium, countries
7. Secondary production of garmanium, countries
Don't thank me !

[slapper]

Playing Clue with world leaders in regards to which country is the 'bargaining chip' is a fair analogy. Now, don't go crazy with the 'M' clue in your head! We don't sure which 'M' in this geopolitical problem is the culprit; it might be Moldova, Mexico, or even Mars!

The message on the economy is unmistakable: maintain stability. When major powers are able to work together peacefully, international trade and investment can proceed with greater confidence. Instead of worrying about international conflicts, nations will be better able to advance their economies. Increased opportunities for international cooperation contribute to a more integrated international financial system. So, my dear Watson, the economic outlook seems to be improving despite the enigma!

[DrBeer]

Playing Clue with world leaders in regards to which country is the 'bargaining chip' is a fair analogy. Now, don't go crazy with the 'M' clue in your head! We don't sure which 'M' in this geopolitical problem is the culprit; it might be Moldova, Mexico, or even Mars!

The message on the economy is unmistakable: maintain stability. When major powers are able to work together peacefully, international trade and investment can proceed with greater confidence. Instead of worrying about international conflicts, nations will be better able to advance their economies. Increased opportunities for international cooperation contribute to a more integrated international financial system. So, my dear Watson, the economic outlook seems to be improving despite the enigma!

A bargaining chip is a country whose interests are sacrificed and whose position, without consent or any negotiations, is given away by another. As for example, the position of "the other side of the bipolar world." Who held this position until 2022? And since 2023, who to the whole world, under applause and approval, called himself "the second side of the bipolar world", without even saying a word about the past "leader"?

Regarding the prospects, I agree, the world is coming out of the covid recession, the world is stabilizing the gas and oil market, China is highly likely to find common ground and mutually beneficial compromises with the United States. But such a positive scenario "threatens" not everyone. There are those who are further away, the world is tightening the noose on a thin neck

[Wimex]

The United States is not a country that decides to bow its head like that from one moment to the next, so surely there is an ulterior motive that forced it to make this decision... i wonder what chip China will have against the United States  to make this Will you change your mind and decide to support him? It is no secret to anyone that these two countries are world powers that have always competed for the title of best territory in the world, including Russia, so a truce between them seems to me something extremely strange. The island of Taiwan has served for many years as a strategic point for the United States and losing it could bring it a great disadvantage before China since it would have the opportunity to further expand its naval predominance and in turn would be granted significant dominance over trade at the level. international, since this area is a focus of commercial exchanges between several Asian countries with the rest of the continents... so in theory it would be harming global trade by forcing those involved who are currently allies with the United States to have relations with China.

[umbara ardian]

Judging from the current situation, targeting other countries' economies and controlling the financial system is a common stance in struggles for international power and status. Competition and economic warfare can be seen as part of the modern cold war.

International relations are complex and depend on many different factors. Therefore, one has to think differently and look for different power systems and solutions to achieve stability and reconciliation in the region.

[Mpamaegbu]

I think China took Blinken's current visit as a sign of US weakness, which it actually is. The United States realized that it was not possible to frighten China with large-scale exercises and that the American military-industrial complex could not pull a proxy war on two fronts. You have to bend and flirt, but without much success - Blinken was received much worse in China than Bill Gates.

It has always been obvious that China is greater than the US in might. It's just that the Chinese aren't loud mouthed like the Americans who live in denial. Recent world developments and happenings have really exposed the US and revealed that she's not as powerful as she claims.

A few years before Barack Obama became the president of the US, I read one of his books: perhaps, The Audacity of Hope, or so where Obama in his flowery language exposed the helplessness of the American government when paired with China in terms of human capital development, population and a few other things. That book was an eye opener for me into the American politics and economy to a great extent.

[DrBeer]

We have already discussed the issue of China's rare earth metals, and at the same time gallium and germanium. And you are well aware that what you say is, to put it mildly, distorted information
Ok, for everyone, I will once again bring the data about this metal.

The key "problem" of gallium is that there are no deposits of pure metal in nature. It is always presented as compounds with low metal content, and very "evenly" distributed. Today, the richest source of gallium is the mineral germanite, an ore composed of copper sulfide that can contain 0.5-0.7% gallium, mined in southwest Africa. These are the Tsumeb (Namibia) and Kipushi (Zaire) mines .... It's a strange name for China, isn't it ?

Gallium is also widely distributed in small amounts along with zinc obscurants, in aluminum alumina, feldspars, hard coal and ores: iron, manganese and chromium.
The largest deposits of gallium, amenable to economic extraction, are in China, Germany, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, South Korea and Russia  
That was all about primary mining.

But there is also secondary mining - Canada, Slovakia, Japan, Germany and the USA are the leaders there.

At the same time, there are more nuances: gallium can be replaced in the manufacture of semiconductors by indium, and in the technology of production of thin film solar cells - silicon-based technologies, some forms of thin film cadmium selenide or copper indium selenide based photovoltaic cells among others.

So the reality is quite different - China was by far the most massive and cheapest supplier of this metal, but there is no question of exclusivity. Now other suppliers will increase production, and consumers will simply switch to them.

Whenever I see your name, I know that it will 100% be a post that supports USA or attacks one of its enemies, you have not written anything that is out of that in many months to be fair and you weren't like this. You have became full on uncle sam in the past few months, interesting to see.

Just because China sold it cheap, doesn't mean they will continue to do so, just because other places can, doesn't mean they can continue to do so. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Sure other nations may have some, but they do not have as much as China, and not like the demand for this will go to zero neither, hence China could limit it, and let it end in other places, and jack up the price, it is not unlikely. Why is this so hard to see?

In order for you, after this post of yours, not to look funny and one-sided, a suggestion: bring here, an excerpt from my answer, where I praise the USA, and humiliate its opponents.
By the way, for one - give me a list of opponents of the USA or countries that consider the USA as their competitors or that have other opposition ?

PS I can assume that "humiliation of US opponents", in your worldview, is the presentation of real facts and figures. But I have to disappoint you once again - TRUTH....This is TRUTH. It may not be pleasant, it may even be ugly. But it's the truth! I realize that some people don't like the truth, that's a fact too
If I have given a FALSE fact or argument - I would love to hear your reasoned response ! Go ahead